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David

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Apr 2, 2008, 9:50:33 AM4/2/08
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Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

--- List of my flagrant abusers

A John 3:16 Whosoever (Kelly)
Tom McDonald
Peter Alaca
Jerry Warner
Hendry Leon
JTEM
Yowie
Engineer
Ian
Paul Murray
Doug Weller
Tooned In
Mountain Man
Robert of St Louis
Cheeky Bastard
Blinded
Nemesis
Cormac

I apologize if I left anybody out; it's been a long day.

David Christainsen

Yowie

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Apr 2, 2008, 4:33:43 PM4/2/08
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David wrote:
> Wikipedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
>
> --- List of my flagrant abusers
>
> A John 3:16 Whosoever (Kelly)
> Tom McDonald
> Peter Alaca
> Jerry Warner
> Hendry Leon
> JTEM
> Yowie
> Engineer
> Ian
> Paul Murray
> Doug Weller
> Tooned In
> Mountain Man
> Robert of St Louis
> Cheeky Bastard
> Blinded
> Nemesis
> Cormac

David, I have always been polite with you and have never 'abused' you.
Disagreement is not 'abuse'. I am saddened you have found my comments in any
way abusive, they were not meant to be.

To avoid any further hurt on your part, I am no longer going to engage with
you - if my replies to you are 'abuse' in your eyes to continue would be
cruel and hurtful, something I do not wish to be.

Goodbye, David.

Yowie


David

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Apr 2, 2008, 4:52:59 PM4/2/08
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I never understood your talk about kooks some months ago.

-----

You are blind to Essene solar calendar in NT text even
after I went to the trouble to enlighten you.

Goodbye, Yowie.

<<<~A John 3:16 Whosoever~>>>

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Apr 2, 2008, 5:02:05 PM4/2/08
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On Apr 2, 1:33 pm, "Yowie" <yowie9644.DIESPAM...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> David, I have always been polite with you and have never 'abused' you.
> Disagreement is not 'abuse'. I am saddened you have found my comments in any
> way abusive, they were not meant to be.
>
> To avoid any further hurt on your part, I am no longer going to engage with
> you - if my replies to you are 'abuse' in your eyes to continue would be
> cruel and hurtful, something I do not wish to be.

Naturally, you don't want to intentionally hurt David, Yowie - but
honestly, if David is the sociopath that I suspect him to be, he
doesn't feel hurt and cruelty as do those of us who are not
sociopathic. Knowing this is not an excuse to be cruel or hurtful to
any sociopath, but it does shed a different light on things.

I believe that David actually revels in what he is dishonestly terming
as "abuse", as it fulfills the need for his narcissistic supply. I do
find it interesting that he has even placed you on his list - as far
as I have seen, you have always been polite with David (and all other
posters). Personally, I view David's placement of me at the top of
his list as a sick way for him to let me know that he's enjoyed my
"abuse" of him and is desperate for me to start responding to him
again.

He's a sick man, Yowie, and really needs to be ignored by the Usenet
community by-in-large. In so doing, he will be forced to get his
unhealthy fulfillment elsewhere and hopefully the treatment he needs.

Engineer

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Apr 2, 2008, 5:26:44 PM4/2/08
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<kasey...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have been saying this for years, but there have allways been
those who don't agree, and as long as he gets replies he will
dominate this newsgroup and drive away users. If the two of you
really are willing to stop replying to him, sign me up as well;
I will be glad to simply stop reading his posts. I have never
been able to understand why so many people are unwilling to stop
replying to David but are willing to stop replying to everyone...

It can be shown by examining his behavior in other newsgroups
that he gives up if nobody replies. This opens the possibility
of reclaiming this newsgroup for Quaker discussions. The other
problem that would have to be addressed is the crossposted flame
wars from other newsgroups, a problem which has been solved
several times in the past. The way to fix it is to start with
polite (REALLY polite -- any hint of trying to control people
is a disaster in this context ) requests that they trim the
newsgroups line combined with thoughtful and well-written replies
to the crossposts that have soc.religion.quaker trimmed from the
newsgroups line.


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YHWH Allah

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Apr 2, 2008, 8:46:10 PM4/2/08
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Pesher of PESH
http://www.planoeast.net/pesh.html

Alma Mater
Hail to thee our Alma Mater
May thy name be told
Where above the gleaming splendor
Waves the Black and Gold
Thou our guide in quest for knowledge
Where all men are free,
O dear Plano East Senior High Alma Mater
Hail to thee!

Go Panthers!
YA

David

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Apr 2, 2008, 9:12:24 PM4/2/08
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On Apr 2, 5:02 pm, "<<<~A John 3:16 Whosoever~>>>"

It is so strange to come home after Bible Study on Psalm 73 and
see your dishonest scribble.

As for Yowie, I now realize I was wrong to include her on my list.

David

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Apr 2, 2008, 9:18:23 PM4/2/08
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On Apr 2, 5:26 pm, Engineer <inva...@example.com> wrote:
>...

> I have been saying this for years, but there have allways been
> those who don't agree, and as long as he gets replies he will
> dominate this newsgroup and drive away users.
>...
 
I am not dominating the group and very few, if any, SRQers
are reading my background material on Christian Origins
or being intellectually engaged on the subject.

YHWH Allah

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Apr 2, 2008, 9:51:30 PM4/2/08
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Pesher of PESH

http://www.planoeast.net/pesh.html

Go Panthers!

YA

YHWH Allah

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Apr 2, 2008, 10:01:45 PM4/2/08
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Fight Song
We are the panthers
We are proud to be panthers
We're the B.E.S.T. ever
Panthers are we
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Hail to the mighty panthers
We love our mighty panthers
Fight Fight Fight on panthers
We're victory bound. Fight!

Go Panthers!
YA

benl...@ihug.co.nz

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Apr 2, 2008, 10:20:28 PM4/2/08
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On Apr 3, 1:46 pm, YHWH Allah <YHWH_Al...@rock.com> wrote:
> Pesher of PESHhttp://www.planoeast.net/pesh.html

Yeah! Didn't Jesus say "Follow me, and I will make you Peshers of
PESH"?

Cheeky Bastard

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Apr 2, 2008, 10:22:12 PM4/2/08
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"David" <pchris...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a3eaaacc-825d-4afd...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

Sheeeeeeeeeet, I was getting nervous going down his "list" and was almost
sure I was going to be left out but thank who ever taught David Christainsen
to type on the old Speak And Spell.
I just love seeing my name scrawled up on the marquis in Crayon........
David Christainsen got the term "abusers" from another Usenet whack job
Dianna Sabba in alt.med.fibromyalgia
David Christainsen CLAIMS God and some other bible thumper CURED him of his
Fibromyalgia but yet came back to AMF to ask why he is still in pain after
he made the CLAIM.

I'm sure more than a few in the groups he CROSS POSTED to know he whorships
himself and himself only.

David go back to praying and stop vying for attention. I haven't responded
to any of your @hole post in months and I dam sure don't post in the groups
YOU HAVE CROSS POSTED to upset the people in these groups.

So did David Christainsen get hit over the head with a lead bible or was he
held under the water too long or is he drinking the bathtub holy water? ;)

CB

earthpots

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Apr 2, 2008, 10:55:30 PM4/2/08
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Perhaps you and DGSobba outghta get together and compare lists. You too are
the biggest whiners, and it seems you have a lot in common, notwithstanding
the commonality of your abusers list. :-P

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Yowie

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Apr 2, 2008, 11:03:37 PM4/2/08
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A few people I admire encouraged me not to 'plonk' David outright, but
rather, simply to killfile the subjects I wasn't interested in. They thought
this would be a more kind and compasionate - and Quakerly - way of dealing
with the issue. The Spirit lead me to believe that this was the correct
course of action and I kept to it, even though I know you disagreed with my
decision on that one, Engineer. The decision was not made lightly, and I
think I've already given you my other reasons based on other folks in my
life with whom controlled interactions are necessary (if not, feel free to
ask)

However, since David has listed me as one of his abusers, and I *know* that
I haven't ever intentionally hurt the man, I can only conclude that even my
very careful interactions with him must somehow appear abusive to him. As
such, and at his implied request, I am going to stop replying to anything he
posts. He will no longer receive any 'abuse' from me.

Yowie


Cormac

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Apr 3, 2008, 2:12:46 AM4/3/08
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On Apr 2, 2:50 pm, David <pchristain...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wikipediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

A proud mother looked out of her window to see her son marching in a
military parade. She said:

Everyone is out of step except my Johnny.

Cormac.

David

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Apr 3, 2008, 7:30:41 AM4/3/08
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On Apr 3, 2:12 am, Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>...

> Everyone is out of step except my Johnny.
>
> Cormac.

Your thinking is out of line because you make the whole matter
one of psychology.

I gave you a cite of her 1999 carbondating paper on Christian
Connections to the DSS but you ignored it.

To overcome your prejudice, you would need to investigate
her official website or ask me questions.

David Christainsen

Whiskers

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Apr 3, 2008, 7:39:42 AM4/3/08
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On 2008-04-03, Yowie <yowie9644....@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Engineer wrote:
>> <kasey...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yowie wrote:

[...]

> However, since David has listed me as one of his abusers, and I *know* that
> I haven't ever intentionally hurt the man, I can only conclude that even my
> very careful interactions with him must somehow appear abusive to him. As
> such, and at his implied request, I am going to stop replying to anything he
> posts. He will no longer receive any 'abuse' from me.

You have consistently been kinder and more gentle with David than I have,
so his inclusion of your name and ommission of mine from his little list
is surprising. I'd see his list as a cry of pain rather than an
articulate communication. I wish I knew how to ease his pain, but he will
have to find his own way.

--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

Ian

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Apr 3, 2008, 8:32:36 AM4/3/08
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On 2 Apr, 14:50, David <pchristain...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I apologize if I left anybody out; it's been a long day.

You missed Barbara Thiering, who has gone on the record as saying that
you are obsessive and unreliable on pesher.

Ian

David

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Apr 3, 2008, 8:49:18 AM4/3/08
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On Apr 3, 7:39 am, Whiskers <catwhee...@operamail.com> wrote:
>...

> You have consistently been kinder and more gentle with David than I have,
> so his inclusion of your name and ommission of mine from his little list
> is surprising.  I'd see his list as a cry of pain rather than an
> articulate communication.  I wish I knew how to ease his pain, but he will
> have to find his own way.
>...

I am not in pain because almost all readers are NOT
intellectually engaged on the subject of Christian Origins.
(Mark T is an exception because he actually has 3
Thiering books.)

BTW, some time ago you asked me a good question about
cisterns at Qumran based on the Magen/Peleg archaeological
report.

You failed to follow the scholarly argument as to why they
were used for baptismal immersion in the monastic settlement.
Here we are dealing with an ascetic coalition of Sadducees
and Pharisees with an Essene nucleus.

David

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Apr 3, 2008, 8:59:25 AM4/3/08
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Very probably you misrepresented me as dominating soc.religion.quaker
in your email to Dr. Barbara Thiering. SRQers, of course, are free to
start their own theads.

Barbara does not realize that I very largely only give EXTRACTS of
her scholarly work. Hardly obsession on my part. Instead, it is
background on Christian Origins. Most importantly, she does not
realize that I do NOT teach pesher on the Internet although I could.

Your biggest failing, Ian, is to ask no questions. You are not
intellectually engaged in the subject of Christian Origins. Whatever
happened to your curiosity?

JTEM

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Apr 3, 2008, 9:03:51 AM4/3/08
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Cormac <cormac.brada...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Everyone is out of step except my Johnny.

Well this "David" is never alone. It seems that his
every post is accompanied by you or another
troll-feeding idiot.

JTEM

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Apr 3, 2008, 9:05:12 AM4/3/08
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Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> You missed Barbara Thiering, who has gone on the
> record as saying that you are obsessive and
> unreliable on pesher.

I couldn't imagine caring. Seriously. The "David"
curse ends when you people stop replying to him.

David

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Apr 3, 2008, 9:22:38 AM4/3/08
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You don't understand the relationships on the Internet.

David

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Apr 3, 2008, 9:29:46 AM4/3/08
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On Apr 2, 10:20 pm, "benli...@ihug.co.nz" <benli...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>...

> Yeah! Didn't Jesus say "Follow me, and I will make you Peshers of
> PESH"?
>...

I thought you were an archaeologist.

David Christainsen

jeb

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Apr 3, 2008, 12:03:12 PM4/3/08
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David <pchris...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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oups.com:

If Yowie, Robert of St. Louis, and Ian are on this list, then
it seems a good one to join. I accept your apology for
leaving me out. Could you add me directly?

Or if it takes some sort of comment to get on this list, then
I assert the following:

"You are a pesher."

Best wishes,

jeb

Ian

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Apr 3, 2008, 12:14:14 PM4/3/08
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David wrote:

> Your biggest failing, Ian, is to ask no questions. You are not
> intellectually engaged in the subject of Christian Origins. Whatever
> happened to your curiosity?

If the Astronomer Royal tells me that a giant meteorite is approaching
the earth on a collision course I will take his warning seriously and
make suitable preparations for annihilation.

If, on the other hand, a swivel-eyed nutter screams at me in the
street that the end is nigh, I shrug my shoulders and swerve round
him.

Ad-hominem? Not really. It's more a matter of putting claims in
context.

Ian

David

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Apr 3, 2008, 12:28:04 PM4/3/08
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On Apr 3, 12:03 pm, jeb <e...@erehwon.net> wrote:
>...

> If Yowie, Robert of St. Louis, and Ian are on this list, then
> it seems a good one to join. I accept your apology for
> leaving me out. Could you add me directly?
>
> Or if it takes some sort of comment to get on this list, then
> I assert the following:
>
> "You are a pesher."
>...

You are a twit but not abusive.

David Christainsen

David

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Apr 3, 2008, 12:32:18 PM4/3/08
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Again, I largely give extracts and links from Dr.
Thiering herself. You do no work on your own
and ASK NO QUESTIONS.

Your story is unconvincing.

Were you to take a genuine interest in Christian
Origins, it would quickly become clear to
everybody.

David

jeb

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Apr 3, 2008, 12:43:24 PM4/3/08
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David <pchris...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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ups.com:

I'll try again next year.

To be certain that I understood your specific meaning, I
found 13 definitions of 'twit,' and after careful
consideration, concluded that you meant I was:

"a weak or thin place in yarn caused by uneven spinning."

I'm sorry that you think I have contributed so little to the yarn
of this valuable thread.

<<<~A John 3:16 Whosoever~>>>

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Apr 3, 2008, 12:51:58 PM4/3/08
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On Apr 3, 9:43 am, jeb <e...@erehwon.net> wrote:

> I'll try again next year.
>
> To be certain that I understood your specific meaning, I
> found 13 definitions of 'twit,' and after careful
> consideration, concluded that you meant I was:
>
> "a weak or thin place in yarn caused by uneven spinning."
>
> I'm sorry that you think I have contributed so little to the yarn
> of this valuable thread.

Name-calling is a form of abuse, is it not? Wouldn't David calling
you a "twit" be considered abuse?

jeb

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"<<<~A John 3:16 Whosoever~>>>" <kasey...@gmail.com> wrote
in
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I guess I'm not easily abused.

David

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On Apr 3, 12:43 pm, jeb <e...@erehwon.net> wrote:
>...
> I'll try again next year.
>
> To be certain that I understood your specific meaning, I
> found 13 definitions of 'twit,' and after careful
> consideration, concluded that you meant I was:
>
> "a weak or thin place in yarn caused by uneven spinning."
>
> I'm sorry that you think I have contributed so little to the yarn
> of this valuable thread.

You talk as if you are a person of younger years.

Definition of twit
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/twit

"Slang A foolishly annoying person."

David

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Apr 3, 2008, 1:17:11 PM4/3/08
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On Apr 3, 12:51 pm, "<<<~A John 3:16 Whosoever~>>>"

It was not name-calling but you are a twit.

jeb

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David <pchris...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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oups.com:

No, I am not really young.

My satire was lost on you.

I've observed many people in real life deliberately provoke
"abuse." These people were not mentally disturbed, except for
being very, very lonely in a truly painful way. It was far
less painful for them to connect with people in very
negative, even painful, ways than it was to be lonely.

What I see is suffering -- not happiness, not friendship, not
any of those things which make life much better than
existence. Some here, like Yowie, have over-extended the hand
of newsgroup friendship, only to find it bitten hard in
return. Think about it.

jeb

David

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Apr 3, 2008, 6:00:35 PM4/3/08
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On Apr 3, 2:59 pm, jeb <e...@erehwon.net> wrote:
>...
> No, I am not really young.
>
> My satire was lost on you.

Your satire was not lost on me.

> I've observed many people in real life deliberately provoke
> "abuse." These people were not mentally disturbed, except for
> being very, very lonely in a truly painful way. It was far
> less painful for them to connect with people in very
> negative, even painful, ways than it was to be lonely.
>
> What I see is suffering -- not happiness, not friendship, not
> any of those things which make life much better than
> existence. Some here, like Yowie, have over-extended the hand
> of newsgroup friendship, only to find it bitten hard in
> return. Think about it.
>
> jeb

You err by ascribing psychological motivations to me that do not wash.

For example - recently, partly in answer to Engineer, I posted
a Tutorial on Thiering Pesher. I estimate it would take the average
person over a week to digest. Bear in mind that scholars have
had over a quarter century to comprehend Pesher but none have yet
turned themselves into a pesherist, none have more than a
superficial grasp of it. This is objective, not psychological.

---

As for Yowie, I aleady informed her acquaintance/friend Kelly that I
made
a mistake to include Yowie on my list.

Background on Yowie and me -

I sent her Dr. Thiering's 1981 paper showing signs of the Essene
solar calendar in the New Testament. Her long delayed response
showed no understanding of it, a disappointment for me. She also
closed any further interaction on the subject - this is important
because Q & A is the main education tool on such a difficult topic.

Yowie could have been my friend had she not turned herself into a
bystander while Kelly talked a stream of trash talk against me
on 3 NGs.

jeb

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David <pchris...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> You err by ascribing psychological motivations to me that
> do not wash.

I'm not sure I ascribed. I just stated what I'd observed in
real life. I don't know you and thus cannot conclude
anything for sure about your particular motivation.


> This is objective, not psychological.

Can you state clearly what your objective is and why it is
important to you? Why do you pursue this objective when it
arouses so much dislike and antipathy toward you and heaps so
much abuse on your head? Why do you add groups like alt.zen
to your postings when you know for sure you will not find
anybody there interested?

When I can't come up with any rational basis for
behavior, I look for psychological needs that are often
the real motivation. Psychological needs aren't bad, but if
they are unrecognized, people can do a lot of
bizarre and hurtful things trying to meet them..

I don't care about this in any real sense of changing things,
including your behavior. I think people are often pissed at
you, but I don't see them suffering at all. You are the only
one behaving in a manner that suggests hurt and suffering at
the root.

> Yowie could have been my friend

If Yowie's patient kindness isn't good enough for you, then
quite sadly, you must accept the rational conclusion that you
will never have a usenet friend.

Engineer

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Apr 4, 2008, 9:00:39 AM4/4/08
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Responding only encourages him. He feeds on attention -- even
negative attention will do. Can we agree, just as a short-term
experiment, to stop responding to him for at least a few days?

Can we agree to instead engage in conversations among ourselves
that *don't* have him as the constant center of attention? Yes,
he is quite good at hooking people, but I think that we can all
learn to ignore his attempts to hook us and reel us in like a fish.

YHWH Allah

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Apr 4, 2008, 9:17:23 AM4/4/08
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Follow me, and I will make you Peshers of PESH
http://www.planoeast.net/pesh.html

Fight Song
We are the panthers
We are proud to be panthers
We're the B.E.S.T. ever
Panthers are we
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Hail to the mighty panthers
We love our mighty panthers
Fight Fight Fight on panthers
We're victory bound. Fight!

Follow me, and I will make you Peshers of PESH

http://www.planoeast.net/pesh.html

Alma Mater
Hail to thee our Alma Mater
May thy name be told
Where above the gleaming splendor
Waves the Black and Gold
Thou our guide in quest for knowledge
Where all men are free,
O dear Plano East Senior High Alma Mater
Hail to thee!

Follow me, and I will make you Peshers of PESH

http://www.planoeast.net/pesh.html

YHWH Allah

YHWH Allah

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Apr 4, 2008, 9:23:44 AM4/4/08
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Peshers of PESH

http://www.planoeast.net/pesh.html

Go Panthers!

YA

David

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Apr 4, 2008, 9:31:37 AM4/4/08
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On Apr 3, 10:17 pm, jeb <e...@erehwon.net> wrote:
> David <pchristain...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:6fd0fec5-7b47-4034...@e39g2000hsf.googlegr

> oups.com:
>
> > You err by ascribing psychological motivations to me that
> > do not wash.
>
> I'm not sure I ascribed. I just stated what I'd observed in
> real life. I don't know you and thus cannot conclude
> anything for sure about your particular motivation.

Thank you.

> >  This is objective, not psychological.
>
> Can you state clearly what your objective is and why it is
> important to you? Why do you pursue this objective when it
> arouses so much dislike and antipathy toward you and heaps so
> much abuse on your head? Why do you add groups like alt.zen
> to your postings when you know for sure you will not find
> anybody there interested?

The psychic re-orientation necessary for Thiering Studies is
immense. I function as a publicist for the coming paradigm shift in
Christian Origins. The gateway is Thiering pesher; the theological
and historical implications are revolutionary.

> When I can't come up with any rational basis for
> behavior, I look for psychological needs that are often
> the real motivation.  Psychological needs aren't bad, but if
> they are unrecognized, people can  do a lot of
> bizarre and hurtful things trying to meet them..
>
> I don't care about this in any real sense of changing things,
> including your behavior. I think people are often pissed at
> you, but I don't see them suffering at all. You are the only
> one behaving in a manner that suggests hurt and suffering at
> the root.  
>
> > Yowie could have been my friend
>
> If Yowie's patient kindness isn't good enough for you, then
> quite sadly, you must accept the rational conclusion that you
> will never have a usenet friend.

You overlook the role of forgiveness in this world.

---

Our mentalities are very different.

David Christainsen

David

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You have a total misreading of my psychology.

Fortunately, your influence (due to your ability to write well) is
diminishing.

The psychic re-orientation necessary for Thiering Studies is
immense. I function as a publicist for the coming paradigm shift in
Christian Origins. The gateway is Thiering pesher; the theological
and historical implications are revolutionary.

Fly hard and high.

David Christainsen

<<<~A John 3:16 Whosoever~>>>

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Absolutely (that was my suggestion a few days ago, wasn't it?).

David

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On Apr 4, 10:50 am, "<<<~A John 3:16 Whosoever~>>>"

Yours was always a foolish suggestion although none of the
SRQers are intellectually engaged in Christian Origins - a shocking
lack of curiosity on their part.

As a result, I have taken to conversation with Martin Edwards of
soc.history.ancient - a highly qualified historian.

-----

BTW, your estimate of my psychology is bunk!

David Christainsen

Rod

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Cheeky Bastard wrote:
>
> "David" <pchris...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a3eaaacc-825d-4afd...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

>> Wikipedia
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
>>
>> --- List of my flagrant abusers
>>
>> A John 3:16 Whosoever (Kelly)
>> Tom McDonald
>> Peter Alaca
>> Jerry Warner
>> Hendry Leon
>> JTEM
>> Yowie
>> Engineer
>> Ian
>> Paul Murray
>> Doug Weller
>> Tooned In
>> Mountain Man
>> Robert of St Louis
>> Cheeky Bastard
>> Blinded
>> Nemesis
>> Cormac
>>
>> I apologize if I left anybody out; it's been a long day.
>>
>> David Christainsen
>>
>
> Sheeeeeeeeeet, I was getting nervous going down his "list" and was
> almost sure I was going to be left out but thank who ever taught David
> Christainsen to type on the old Speak And Spell.
> I just love seeing my name scrawled up on the marquis in Crayon........
> David Christainsen got the term "abusers" from another Usenet whack job
> Dianna Sabba in alt.med.fibromyalgia
> David Christainsen CLAIMS God and some other bible thumper CURED him of
> his Fibromyalgia but yet came back to AMF to ask why he is still in pain
> after he made the CLAIM.

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! So much for the "Jesus" miracle
cure !

>
> I'm sure more than a few in the groups he CROSS POSTED to know he
> whorships himself and himself only.
>
> David go back to praying and stop vying for attention. I haven't
> responded to any of your @hole post in months and I dam sure don't post
> in the groups YOU HAVE CROSS POSTED to upset the people in these groups.
>
> So did David Christainsen get hit over the head with a lead bible or was
> he held under the water too long or is he drinking the bathtub holy
> water? ;)


In his other life he was a hood ornament on a 1958 Edsel...


Rod


>
> CB
>

"<316>"

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Apr 19, 2008, 11:22:14 PM4/19/08
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On Apr 19, 7:24 pm, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:

>    BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! So much for the "Jesus" miracle
>    cure !

>    In his other life he was a hood ornament on a 1958 Edsel...
>
>     Rod

You pretend to be this guy's friend, and now you turn around and
ridicule him? You are disgusting, Rodney Eastman.

Like I said earlier today - do yourself and your poor wife a favor and
get some help.

Rod

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"<316>" wrote:
> On Apr 19, 7:24 pm, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! So much for the "Jesus" miracle
>> cure !
>
>> In his other life he was a hood ornament on a 1958 Edsel...
>>
>> Rod
>
> You pretend to be this guy's friend, and now you turn around and
> ridicule him? You are disgusting, Rodney Eastman.


As disgusting as you lying to a police officer, telling them I'm
stalking you, or Myspace..when you told them I was stalking
you and not to let me have an account, or how about the lie that
you've posted on your website now, accusing me of stalking you ?

I had to find out from Officer Stump about what is on your website
now.

You need to KNOW one thing now..I want NOTHING to do with you; and
that means on the news groups, on the web, in any forum anywhere...
NOTHING ! Get it thru your thick fucking skull that I detest your
sorry disturbed mind and take a hike !


Don't talk back, every time you do you lie like an old rug. You need
to go NOW !

Don't POST TO ME, don't respond to me, don't tell any more lies about
me in public forums...

Get some professional help for your obsessions Siebecke before you go
to far and can't turn back.

I've told the police, now I'll tell you....

If you show up here obsessing over me at my home, you'll find your
twisted and sick ass setting in a jail, IF you're LUCKY !


Don't come around me anywhere at any time, do you understand this ?

A copy of this post is going to the police in Emporia and Washington,
and a copy of this post and others are on their way to Myspace to
PROTECT my interests.

Your continual responses to my posts PROVE that your responses are
neither welcomed nor invited.

Goodbye Siebecke

"<316>"

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Apr 20, 2008, 12:45:36 PM4/20/08
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On Apr 20, 7:20 am, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:
>    As disgusting as you lying to a police officer,

I didn't lie to him, I was extremely honest with him.

> telling them I'm
>    stalking you,

No, I never used the word "stalking". I complained about you posting
personal information about me in a public internet forum and planning
specifically to give it my personal information to a diagnosed
mentally-ill man who lives in the same state I do.

> or Myspace..when you told them I was stalking
>    you and not to let me have an account,

No...that never happened. If myspace isn't giving you an account, it
wasn't my doing, and there has to be some other reason. Myspace *has*
been cracking down on criminals and sex offenders getting accounts,
maybe you should check ask *them* why and stop accusing me of things
going wrong in your life. Heck, maybe the Emporia PD had something to
do with it.

> or how about the lie that
>    you've posted on your website now, accusing me of stalking you ?

No, I never used your name, Rodney. Until yesterday morning it said
"[I am] being stalked by a guy who lives in Kansas - you know, I
thought that Kansas was "The Land of Oohs and Ahhs", not online
stalkers!" See, I never used your name - and how exactly do you know
it's you I'm referring to, Rodney? If the ruby slipper fits you must
wear it?

>    I had to find out from Officer Stump about what is on your website
>    now.

Yeah, and? There's nothing there that says one word about you, and
there's nothing there that is illegal - just a regular myspace page
that I use to keep in touch with my friends. But seriously Rodney,
unless the Emporia PD has a court order, I sincerely doubt that with
the privacy lock on my page he was able to look at anything at all.

>    You need to KNOW one thing now..I want NOTHING to do with you;

Then stop posting to me and reading my posts.

> and
>    that means on the news groups, on the web, in any forum anywhere...

Then stop posting to me and reading my posts.

>    NOTHING ! Get it thru your thick fucking skull that I detest your
>    sorry disturbed mind and take a hike !

Hmmm...you're calling the police incessantly over nothing and blaming
me for you not being able to get a myspace account and *I'm* the one
with the disturbed mind?

Interesting.

>    Don't talk back, every time you do you lie like an old rug. You need
>    to go NOW !

I think I might take that as a threat against my person, Rodney.
Kinda like when you said "put this dog down" (which refers to
killing).

>    Don't POST TO ME, don't respond to me, don't tell any more lies about
>    me in public forums...

You first. Can you do it?

>    Get some professional help for your obsessions before you go


>    to far and can't turn back.

I have no obsessions about you, Rodney. I'm only concerned about my
personal safety and the safety of my family.

>    I've told the police, now I'll tell you....
>
>    If you show up here obsessing over me at my home, you'll find your
>    twisted and sick ass setting in a jail, IF you're LUCKY !

Uh...why on earth would I come to Emporia looking for you?

>    Don't come around me anywhere at any time, do you understand this ?

No problem. It never even crossed my mind.

>    A copy of this post is going to the police in Emporia and Washington,
>    and a copy of this post and others are on their way to Myspace to
>    PROTECT my interests.

Okaaaaay. But be prepared to be laughed at and have your
communications with them placed in a brand new bozo-file with your
name on it.

>    Your continual responses to my posts PROVE that your responses are
>    neither welcomed nor invited.

I'm trying to find some logic in that statement...

<shakes head>

David

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On Apr 19, 11:22 pm, "\"<316>\"" <316k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>...

> You pretend to be this guy's friend, and now you turn around and
> ridicule him?  You are disgusting, Rodney Eastman.
>...

You are right that Rodney turned against me.

BTW recently, I've encouraged SRQers to get interested
in America's voice of hope - Joel Osteen. Surely, you
know who he is. (Please see Wikipedia article if you don't.)

Would that people get in agreement with God and start
feeling good about themselves.

...

David Christainsen

Rod

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Apr 20, 2008, 2:45:56 PM4/20/08
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"<316>" wrote:
> On Apr 20, 7:20 am, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:
>> As disgusting as you lying to a police officer,
>
> I didn't lie to him, I was extremely honest with him.
>
>> telling them I'm
>> stalking you,
>
> No, I never used the word "stalking". I complained about you posting
> personal information about me in a public internet forum and planning
> specifically to give it my personal information to a diagnosed
> mentally-ill man who lives in the same state I do.
>
>> or Myspace..when you told them I was stalking
>> you and not to let me have an account,
>
> No...that never happened. If myspace isn't giving you an account, it
> wasn't my doing, and there has to be some other reason.

Ask them for a copy of the email I received from them. I think you're
just a better liar than most, Siebecke !

> Myspace *has*
> been cracking down on criminals and sex offenders getting accounts,
> maybe you should check ask *them* why and stop accusing me of things
> going wrong in your life. Heck, maybe the Emporia PD had something to
> do with it.

No Kelly, you did. What made me think of Myspace wasn't just because
you were their, but because if they have FREE hosting. But there are
other places available as well, so it ain;t the end all be all of
existence.

What pisses me off is your lying insistence that I'm stalking you, I'm
not. If I do have an obsession with you, it is to keep as much
distance between you and I on and off the net as humanly possible


>
>> or how about the lie that
>> you've posted on your website now, accusing me of stalking you ?
>
> No, I never used your name, Rodney. Until yesterday morning it said
> "[I am] being stalked by a guy who lives in Kansas - you know, I
> thought that Kansas was "The Land of Oohs and Ahhs", not online
> stalkers!" See, I never used your name - and how exactly do you know
> it's you I'm referring to, Rodney?


What ? Do you think that the entire internet isn't aware that you
have made the claim that I'm stalking you ??? Care to see the posts
you've made, that BTW hadn't started until AFTER I told you to stop
stalking me.

What a frigging lame ass dodge ! I truly hope you do have a stalker
from Kansas, or ANYWHERE after you, but you deranged fuck..it isn't ME !


I don't want you Siebecke...I don't even like talking with a liar like
you. You're not safe to be around, no liar is.

Myspace has ya and they can keep ya.


> If the ruby slipper fits you must
> wear it?

In your case it fits really well. Most of your posts in response to
mine are no more than attempts to provoke verbal or physical violence,
and it hasn't been any different with with others tyou've posted to in
the past. When you can't make them angry you tell lies about them..


>
>> I had to find out from Officer Stump about what is on your website
>> now.
>
> Yeah, and?

And now the PD knows what the score actually has been. I'm glad that
someone besides myself knows you for the liar and provocateur that
you are......

Rod

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Apr 20, 2008, 2:53:11 PM4/20/08
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David wrote:
> On Apr 19, 11:22 pm, "\"<316>\"" <316k...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> You pretend to be this guy's friend, and now you turn around and
>> ridicule him? You are disgusting, Rodney Eastman.
>> ...
>
> You are right that Rodney turned against me.

yes, you certainly changed my opinion of you thru your own
behavior. You seem to be spamming every possible group with your
off topic posts.


But don't get the idea that I have ever been a friend to you. I don't
know anyone here well enough to call them a friend, so you can't lose a
friend that you've never had. I will continue to treat you decently
according to your actions, but I'm going to tell it like it is when you
spam the groups.


>
> BTW recently, I've encouraged SRQers to get interested
> in America's voice of hope - Joel Osteen. Surely, you
> know who he is. (Please see Wikipedia article if you don't.)
>
> Would that people get in agreement with God and start
> feeling good about themselves.

You really feel that you need someone to program your mind for you
so bad that you'd allow Osteen to fill your brain full of crap ?

Are you so depressed that you can't see what this crap is doing to
you ?

<Kelly>

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On Apr 20, 11:45 am, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:
>    Ask them for a copy of the email I received from them. I think you're
> just a better liar than most !

I'll tell you what. How about you produce the email you received from
them so we can all see if you are telling the truth or not - okay?

> > Myspace *has*
> > been cracking down on criminals and sex offenders getting accounts,
> > maybe you should check ask *them* why and stop accusing me of things
> > going wrong in your life.  Heck, maybe the Emporia PD had something to
> > do with it.

>    No Kelly, you did. What made me think of Myspace wasn't just because
>    you were their, but because if they have FREE hosting. But there are
>    other places available as well, so it ain;t the end all be all of
>    existence.

My space isn't for personal webpages, it's for personal profiles and
connecting with friends. The more you go on, the more you reveal that
you are lying.

>    What pisses me off is your lying insistence that I'm stalking you,

I'm not "pissed off" in the least. But you *are* web-stalking me.

> I'm
>    not. If I do have an obsession with you, it is to keep as much
> distance between you and I on and off the net as humanly possible

I don't know why - I've never claimed I was coming to Kansas to get
you (as you claimed you were coming to Washington to get me), and I've
never posted your personal information in Usenet or anywhere else on
the web (like you have done with me).

So, exactly why would you think that you need to "put distance"
between you and me? Unless you're projecting.

Yeah, that could be it.

>    What ? Do you think that the entire internet isn't aware that you
> have made the claim that I'm stalking you ???

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the "entire internet" has no idea (but the few
in Usenet who have read your rantings about the whole thing do).

> Care to see the posts
> you've made, that BTW hadn't started until AFTER I told you to stop
> stalking me.

Sure, knock yourself out.

>    What a frigging lame ass dodge ! I truly hope you do have a stalker
> from Kansas, or ANYWHERE after you, but you deranged fuck..it isn't ME !

Then how come you're the only one who's shouting and ranting and
raving about it?

>    I don't want you

Whoo! <wipes forehead> That's a load off my mind.

> I don't even like talking with a liar like
>    you.

Then why do you keep responding to my posts?

> You're not safe to be around, no liar is.

More projecting.

>    Myspace has ya and they can keep ya.

Okay (?)

>    In your case it fits really well. Most of your posts in response to
> mine are no more than attempts to provoke verbal or physical violence,

If you say so, Rodney.

> and it hasn't been any different with with others tyou've posted to in
> the past. When you can't make them angry you tell lies about them..

Riiight. Yeah, I'm the one who's known as a Usenet liar, not you.

>   And now the PD knows what the score actually has been.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they knew the score when they talked to you two
weeks ago.

> I'm glad that
> someone besides myself knows you for the liar and provocateur that
> you are......

Okay...you and your wife who believes whatever you tell her?

Hey, I thought you had me killfiled...

How's that going?

<Kelly>

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On Apr 20, 12:09 pm, "<Kelly>" <316k...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 20, 11:45 am, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > Ask them for a copy of the email I received from them. I think you're
> > just a better liar than most !

> I'll tell you what. How about you produce the email you received from
> them so we can all see if you are telling the truth or not - okay?

You know...I have to issue a sincere apology to you here, Rodney. I
had actually forgotten that I did contact myspace about you. The
reason I contacted them was that you were obviously trying to view the
information in my private myspace account. In fact, you admitted as
much in Usenet, Rodney (see following post at
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.baptist/msg/6996db234b7cf269).
You gave yourself away when you said: "You are a complete fucking
obsessed idiot, no wonder you're stressed about not being able to
remember your lines tonight !" In that statement, you made reference
to something that only a person who has tried to view my personal
myspace page would know.

Nonetheless, because I have had to make numerous complaints about you
and your harassment and stalking of me, I had actually forgotten about
contacting myspace. I guess you could say that my contact with them
has just been another tree in a growing forest where it was hard to
tell which was what.

Anyway, for unintentionally making an errorneous claim, I sincerely
apologize.

David

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On Apr 20, 4:10 pm, "<Kelly>" <kaseybec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>...

> Anyway, for unintentionally making an errorneous claim, I sincerely
> apologize.

Quakerism, not I, demands that you start burying the hatchet with
Rodney. The way you two have behaved on SRQ is not the way
Christians ought to be acting with one another.

Is Rodney a Christian? He certainly doesn't show it with his denial
of God and his put-down of the Christian Religion over 2000 years.
I already am convinced that you, by contrast, are a Christian.

The only other topic left to discuss is whether modern Friends
are Christian. By contrast with leading Quaker spokespeople,
I say the issue matters.

When the issue of re-alignment came up quite a few years ago
at my Meeting, I was the only one in favor of it. IOW I am so
old-fashioned as to be extremely uncomfortable with the modern
RSOF trend to welcome non-Christians into their places of
Worship and say that Light from God and guidance from the
Spirit are primary. In so doing, they downgrade Jesus Christ
and the Bible.

The true quakerism is an unusual and uncompromising approach
to Christian faith.

...

David Christainsen

Engineer

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Rod wrote:

[snip]

Great. Just friggin' great. Kelly decides to add
alt.religion.christian.baptist to the newsgroups line
(the better to flood soc.religion.quaker with off-topic
responses), and you reply to the same two newsgroups.

Please don't give me the old "I forgot" excuse. You
should be aware of such tricks by now.


Rod

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David wrote:
> On Apr 20, 4:10 pm, "<Kelly>" <kaseybec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> Anyway, for unintentionally making an errorneous claim, I sincerely
>> apologize.
>
> Quakerism, not I, demands that you start burying the hatchet with
> Rodney. The way you two have behaved on SRQ is not the way
> Christians ought to be acting with one another.
>
> Is Rodney a Christian?

No, Rodney is NOT a christian. if I want fairytales I'll read sci fi
or hunt up a book by the brothers grimm. I detest christianity, and that
is expressing it VERY mildly.....

Rod

Rod

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Apr 20, 2008, 5:33:51 PM4/20/08
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I didn't forget, I just didn't pay attention to the fact
and replied, end of story. I cancelled my posts afterward.

Rod

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"<Kelly>" <316...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3504881e-016b-4543...@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

Sure, knock yourself out.

More projecting.

Okay (?)

How's that going?

Fine thanks. I'm habving problems adjusting outhouse expresses filters,
but you've helped immensely.

PLONK !


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Rod

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"john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:45:56 GMT, Rod <ico...@att.net> wrote:
> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
> Calm down!

I'm sorry I'm so angry, but the fact remains that she continues to
accuse without
feeling that proof is required, yet she demansds it of me.


> She has this notion that I'm stalking her, too.
> I think it's not "lying", Rod. I think she is actually delusional
> enough (like one Ms Matthews) to actually BELIEVE you're stalking her.
>
> Ummmm. Who is Kelly that she thinks she's important enough to be
> STALKED?

Yes, well take my word for it, her dad was someone.

>
> smirk.
>
> Now go back a year or two and read all the WEIRD thinks Ms Matthews
> has dug up on ME from here and sundry, and you realize that Ms
> Matthews (and a cracked buddy or two of hers) ARE stalking ME.

Yes, I've read them over and over. You've been the plaything of several
people
here, not the least of which is Robibnikoff and Elaine.

<Kelly>

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Apr 20, 2008, 11:37:05 PM4/20/08
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On Apr 20, 7:45 pm, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Calm down!  She has this notion that I'm stalking her, too.

No I don't. I've never said any such thing. That you think I think
you are stalking me, however, is interesting (nd once again shows how
narcissistic and delusional you are).

<Kelly>

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Apr 20, 2008, 11:49:49 PM4/20/08
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On Apr 20, 7:42 pm, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
>   You're actually QUITE mentally ill yourself, dearie.

Are you a psychiatrist? Elaine says that you've tried to pose as one
in Usenet.

>    You just haven't been detected and diagnosed yet.

Ah, I see.

>   I have been detected, I have been diagnosed, and I am in treatment.

Good. Hopefully this time you will continue with your therapy
(including your meds).

>   It's amazing what the right drug therapy --- and just KNOWING what
> your problem(s) are -- can do for you.

Hmmm...I can safely say that most of us in here haven't noticed any
improvement in you.

>   Half your problems are merely you not knowing what your many
> problems are called.

Oh, I see.

>   But there is SOME reason for your BURNING RAGE and HATE.

"Burning rage and hate". Sorry, but I don't have that problem.
You're projecting again, John.

>   I didn't do anything to you,

Oh yes - you certainly have. And plenty of others in here as well.

> yet you DESPISE me,

No, I don't despise you, John. I don't like you, but I definitely do
not despise you.

> and you're
> constantly lying about and libeling me,

No, I'm really not.

> and pretending to diagnose me.

No, I've made observations regarding your behavior. I am not
qualified to diagnose, and would never presume to attempt to do so.

>   Well, then, I must wonder how YOU got an account! ??

Was that supposed to be some of your notorious "humor"? I got an
account because I am not a criminal, John. My bet is that you would
not be able to get an account with them (and that you could never
figure out how to make it work).

>    And-- just so you know-- I have a my space account, though I rarely
> "play" in there!  And even if I don't use "my real name" on the
> account, My Space knows who I am (that's confidential information)

I see. Actually, John - one is required to use their "real name" on
myspace. You don't have to use your real name as your profile name,
but you are required to use your real name to sign up. If you did
sign up for myspace (which I seriously doubt), the myspace people
frown very strongly on using an alias to get your account set up. Did
you lie to them about your real name, John - and if so, why? Were you
afraid that they wouldn't let you have an account with them because of
your criminal history?

>   So obviously not only do the Washington State authorities NOT
> consider me dangerous or a threat, My Space doesn't, either.

We shall see.

Wngibeer

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Rod wrote:

>I didn't forget, I just didn't pay attention to the fact
>and replied, end of story. I cancelled my posts afterward.

And I lost my temper and posted a harsh reply. I am sorry.
I apologie and ask your foregiveness.


Yowie

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> x-no-archive: yes
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT), "\"<316>\""
> <316...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post

> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> On Apr 20, 7:20 am, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:


Again, could you folks kindly take this stuff out of SRQ. It didn't start
here, and has absolutley no relevance to Quakerism. (I can't see what
relevance it has to Baptists either, but am assuming it is a continuation of
a conversation started there)

Yowie

Steve B.

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Apr 21, 2008, 6:44:14 AM4/21/08
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You asked for the truth and you got it. Nothing to forgive,
besides...I'm an atheis..we don't forgive...we take it in
stride and move on.

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Forging posts again, Rodney? Really mature.

NOSPAM

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:37:37 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: FORGET IT. ARCHIVED.

>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:31:35 GMT, Rod <ico...@att.net> wrote:
> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

> That's ok, Rodney. God STILL loves you, anyway; even if you do
>falsely blame God for 90 % of your self-created issues.
>
YOU should talk, liar-johnnie. YOU blame everyone else for YOUR mental
issues.

> I still say, you -- and many others-- would be so much happier if
>you'd get into some good mental health therapy, get on the appropriate
>meds, and quit blaming others for your issues.
>
Careful there, liar-johnnie- you'll end up making Rod angry with you,
and he'll slink away from being your new 'friend'...
You can't afford to lose any more 'friends', johnnie.

> I can remember a time when you blamed ME for everything you could
>think of.
>
Aw gee- poor johnnie...
>

ujb

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john w <johnw wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:03:08 -0500, "Rod" <ico...@att.net> wrote:
> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post

> may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>> "john w @yahoo.com>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
>> news:3qvn04dmq5pqqrf5k...@4ax.com...
>>> x-no-archive: yes
>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:45:56 GMT, Rod <ico...@att.net> wrote:
>>> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
> Don't feel lonely or picked on. She does it to virtually everyone
> who doesn't accept her being a "lesbian Christian pastor."
>
> She isn't a Christian or a pastor if she's a lesbian, PERIOD.
>
> She has accused me of everything you can think of, and a dozen
> things you never thought of.
>
> I'm
> 1 a liar
> 2 a pervert
> 3 not a Christian
> 4 a hypocrite
> 5 a "narcissist"

papa porn, all true, u r all the above to me...
sonny

NOSPAM

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:45:37 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>


> Calm down! She has this notion that I'm stalking her, too.

> I think it's not "lying", Rod. I think she is actually delusional
>enough (like one Ms Matthews) to actually BELIEVE you're stalking her.
>

You ARE an online stalker, johnnie. You tried to have me fired from my
job, tried to have my license to practice revoked, find my address,
phone number, etc.......

> Ummmm. Who is Kelly that she thinks she's important enough to be
>STALKED?
>

What she has described IS classified as stalking, little man.

> smirk.

Go clean up your nappies.


>
> Now go back a year or two and read all the WEIRD thinks Ms Matthews
>has dug up on ME from here and sundry, and you realize that Ms
>Matthew

Dream on, weatherless. Go take your meds.

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CB

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:37:37 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes


>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:31:35 GMT, Rod <ico...@att.net> wrote:

> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post


>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

> That's ok, Rodney. God STILL loves you, anyway; even if you do
>falsely blame God for 90 % of your self-created issues.
>

> I still say, you -- and many others-- would be so much happier if
>you'd get into some good mental health therapy, get on the appropriate
>meds, and quit blaming others for your issues.

Oh, the irony!!

CB

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On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:42:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes


>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT), "\"<316>\""

><316...@gmail.com> wrote:
> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

>>On Apr 20, 7:20 am, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:
>>>    As disgusting as you lying to a police officer,
>>
>>I didn't lie to him, I was extremely honest with him.
>>
>>> telling them I'm
>>>    stalking you,
>>
>>No, I never used the word "stalking". I complained about you posting
>>personal information about me in a public internet forum and planning
>>specifically to give it my personal information to a diagnosed
>>mentally-ill man who lives in the same state I do.
>

> You're actually QUITE mentally ill yourself, dearie.
>

> You just haven't been detected and diagnosed yet.
>

> I have been detected, I have been diagnosed, and I am in treatment.

It's not working.
Try something else.
Maybe your local drug dealer has something that will work.

>
> It's amazing what the right drug therapy --- and just KNOWING what
>your problem(s) are -- can do for you.
>

> Half your problems are merely you not knowing what your many
>problems are called.
>

> But there is SOME reason for your BURNING RAGE and HATE.
>

> I didn't do anything to you, yet you DESPISE me, and you're
>constantly lying about and libeling me, and pretending to diagnose me.

Pretending?
Everyone knows you're crazy.
>
>

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On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:37:25 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
> Shut up, BITCH! No one said anything to you!
>

Denied. I'll speak up whenever I have something to say, liar-johnnie.
And I'll say it again: YOU SHOULD TALK.

>>> I still say, you -- and many others-- would be so much happier if
>>>you'd get into some good mental health therapy, get on the appropriate
>>>meds, and quit blaming others for your issues.
>>>

>>Careful there, John- you'll end up making Rod angry with you,
>
> Shut up, BITCH! No one said anything to you!
>

Denied. I'll speak up whenever I have something to say, liar-johnnie.
And I'll say it again: YOU SHOULD TALK.
> SNIP


>
>>> I can remember a time when you blamed ME for everything you could
>>>think of.
>>>

>SNIP
>
> Don't anyone consider having a pity party for John!
>

Why- have the caregivers at the home already tossed you one, johnnie?

> Be sure you all focus 150 % of your attention on having a PITY
>PARTY for Queen Liar Insane Elaine.

Poor queen liar-johnnie.... still vainly imagining I had that silly
'title' he invented himself!

Go take your meds.

NOSPAM

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:36:59 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
> ^ ^ ^ ^ You're not qualified to determine that, asshole.
>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^More 'good Christian-0speak
, right, liar-johnnie -- the FRAUD who tries unsuccessfully to pass
himself off as 'an ordained Pastor' and 'a Psychologist?

> Try getting a life.
He already has a life, loser. YOU don't.

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CB

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On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:36:59 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:44:12 -0500, CB <count...@hotmail.com>


>wrote:
> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:42:23 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>x-no-archive: yes
>>>On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT), "\"<316>\""
>>><316...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
>>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>>On Apr 20, 7:20 am, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>>    As disgusting as you lying to a police officer,
>>>>
>>>>I didn't lie to him, I was extremely honest with him.
>>>>
>>>>> telling them I'm
>>>>>    stalking you,
>>>>
>>>>No, I never used the word "stalking". I complained about you posting
>>>>personal information about me in a public internet forum and planning
>>>>specifically to give it my personal information to a diagnosed
>>>>mentally-ill man who lives in the same state I do.
>>>
>>> You're actually QUITE mentally ill yourself, dearie.
>>>
>>> You just haven't been detected and diagnosed yet.
>>>
>>> I have been detected, I have been diagnosed, and I am in treatment.
>>
>>It's not working.
>
>

> ^ ^ ^ ^ You're not qualified to determine that, asshole.
>

> Try getting a life.

After you.
>
>snip

}Rod.-. ... -..

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NOSPAM wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:45:37 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Calm down! She has this notion that I'm stalking her, too.
>> I think it's not "lying", Rod. I think she is actually delusional
>> enough (like one Ms Matthews) to actually BELIEVE you're stalking her.
>>
> You ARE an online stalker, johnnie. You tried to have me fired from my
> job, tried to have my license to practice revoked, find my address,
> phone number, etc.......

Pure paranoid delusion on your part. I'll bet the stalker was actually
the wife of a certain Doctor that you haad been sleeping with, eh,
Miss Chaste ??


>
>> Ummmm. Who is Kelly that she thinks she's important enough to be
>> STALKED?
>>
> What she has described IS classified as stalking, little man.

And vice versa. You should be able to take what you put out,
that simple...


>
>> smirk.
>
> Go clean up your nappies.

Clean up your own house, home breaker !

>> Now go back a year or two and read all the WEIRD thinks Ms Matthews
>> has dug up on ME from here and sundry, and you realize that Ms
>> Matthew
> Dream on, weatherless. Go take your meds.


--

To quote Jerry Moon;


Spelling mistakes above left in for people who need to correct
others to make their life fulfilled.


Copyright protected
Permission granted to copy for replies in News Groups
Jerry Moon

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On Apr 23, 4:00 pm, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:

> x-no-archive: yesOn Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:37:43 -0400, NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> wrote:

> >What she has described IS classified as stalking, little man.

>     I don't think so.

You don't think, period.

>    You post enough proof yourself that you're a total psycho!

As do you.

NOSPAM

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On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:00:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>


>tried to have my license to practice revoked,
>

> Nope.


Another lie. Need a refresher?

[]{}Rod

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How do you know it was him ? Doesn't a written complaint have to be
filed first with the board of healing arts, or whatever control system
is exerted over doctors and nurses their ?

What proof do you have, that you're so certain it was him ? How many
other people have a cross to bear where you are concerned ?

NOSPAM

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Methinks you do:

From: j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:58:36 -0800
Message-ID: <1p0uq05eqncctkgi1...@4ax.com>

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:56:02 -0500, "Doc Watson :O)" <m...@you.net>
wrote:
BUT------- but------ but------------- it's MY riting eye'm
sellnig!!!!! Nutz! :o(
I demand recompence!!!!!!!!!! :o)
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wait until he reads my latest non-fiction: "The Ides
of JOHNNY!"

Stay tuned for THE IDES of JOHNNIE!! LOL! :O)


liar-johnnie:
Thanks for adding all these wonderful warm thoughts to my collection,
Elaine!
You are archived and fried.
j


Here's another, old boy:

Here, you openly accused me of 'abusing patients'-- a statement of
LIBEL:

From: j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 06:04:28 -0800
Message-ID: <hf2bs01h5aq0f888m...@4ax.com>

My comment to liar-johnnie:
The fact remains, you ARE libeling me.
I have not abused my patients, and your claim of my so-called 'open
admission of same' is a point blank lie.

So I REPEAT: Better be careful.


liar-johnnie:
If you call THAT libel, let me repeat, you have abused your patients,
and you have said so, whether your sick mind understands the admission
or not.

You calling me a liar IS libel, since I am quite ready to prove
myclaim.
God bless!

And get to a psychiatrist and get checked out and get on some meds
before you DO hurt somebody (or yourself).

jw


And for another one:


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On Thu, 07 Apr 2005 10:47:34 -0400, "Doc: The
absent-minded-professor!" <D...@Watson.yup> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
>On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 19:55:53 -0400, larr...@adelphia.net sez the
>following funny stuff:
>
>>et him make false allegations, let him abuse,
>>who does it hurt? Words cannot hurt you.
>
>
>Excuse me? If he is stupid enough to try having me fired, HE WILL BE
>IN BIG TROUBLE. I will not stand idly by and tolerate it.

Elaine, dumbshit, think about it. If I go into court with NOTHING BUT
false allegations, how can I POSSIBLY "get you fired?" You will get
yourself fired, since ALL I have on you is your own words.

>
>So are you claiming you would simply smile, say I forgive you', and
>allow a creep like him to try to ruin YOUR career ??

Elaine, if anyone has destroyed your "career" it is you.

>
>I AM A Christian,

Can't prove it from your psychotic posts!

but you can bet I WILL defend myself should it
>become necessary.

It will be necessary, and you will be without defense.


>He will not be permitted to try ruining my life, because I won't stand
>for it.

What makes you think you will have anything to say?

You have already said all you need to have yourself confined for a
LONG time.


And if you don't take me seriously, why do you fume so much about it?

Am I merely "demented" or are you truly afraid?

And so obsessive/compulsive you simply cannot bring your EXTREME
misbehavior in check?


jw


Need any more refreshers, liar-johnnie?

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:17:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Makind HER a criminal abuser, and making her co-workers culpable.


ummm, what is "Makind"?

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:17:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: dishonored.


>On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:34:29 -0500, "[]{}Rod" <"[]{}icom706"@att.net>
>wrote:
> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post


>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

>>NOSPAM wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:00:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> tried to have my license to practice revoked,
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>
>>> Another lie. Need a refresher?
>>
>> How do you know it was him ? Doesn't a written complaint have to be
>>filed first with the board of healing arts, or whatever control system
>>is exerted over doctors and nurses their ?
>

> Before your time, Rod.
>
> Elaine was posting comments that MOST of her patients (evidently in
>a psychiatric ward) were FAKING being mentally ill (she's accused me
>of the same thing one day, that I'm "perfectly fine" the next)
> And she said she didn't put up with their "faking", or with any of
>their "crap."
> That is an abusive attitude.
>
> She also at one point (shortly before she retired) admitted she
>HATED her job, she HATED the people
> she worked for
> she worked WITH
> and she despised the people in her care. (the patients)
>
> You can't have that sort of attitude of HATING everyone you work
>with, and it doesn't affect those in your care!
>
> That's not possible!


>
> Makind HER a criminal abuser, and making her co-workers culpable.
>
>
>
>>

>> What proof do you have, that you're so certain it was him ? How many
>>other people have a cross to bear where you are concerned ?

WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Baby needs his didies changed
again!

NOSPAM

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Apr 26, 2008, 12:06:34 PM4/26/08
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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:21:04 -0500, CB <count...@hotmail.com>
wrote:


hehehe!! The wannabe wordiesmith screwed it up again! :O)

NOSPAM

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:14:49 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
> And I will continue to try to have you EVALUATED and COMMITTED.


Sure ya will, old boy - sure!! HAHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:51:42 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes


>On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:21:04 -0500, CB <count...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:

> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post


>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

> I'm just betting an intelligent kid like you can figure it out!

oh, johnnie, we know how intelligent & perfect you are so I know you
would never make a typo.
So what is a "makind"?

>
> :-)

CB

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:33:34 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes


>On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:06:34 -0400, NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> wrote:
> © 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.

> Heh heh heh! If you like, m'love, I can start re posting all YOUR
>typos.

Nobody cares about her typos, only yours since you are the hypocrite.
>
> :-)

NOSPAM

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:33:34 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>


> Heh heh heh! If you like, m'love, I can start re posting all YOUR
>typos.


Go for it, old boy. It will hopefully give you something to do.
Say - shouldn't you be slaving away at that marvelous 'auto bio of
yours? Or did someone clean the cat litter again and throw out your
drafts?

NOSPAM

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On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:15:19 -0500, CB <count...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:33:34 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>


>wrote:
>
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:06:34 -0400, NOSPAM <nospam@nospam> wrote:

>> Š 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post


>>may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
>>>On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:21:04 -0500, CB <count...@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:17:53 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Makind HER a criminal abuser, and making her co-workers culpable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>ummm, what is "Makind"?
>>>
>>>
>>>hehehe!! The wannabe wordiesmith screwed it up again! :O)
>>
>>
>> Heh heh heh! If you like, m'love, I can start re posting all YOUR
>>typos.
>
>Nobody cares about her typos, only yours since you are the hypocrite.
>>

Yes indeed, CB- the NIRV!Hee shood no eye nevre maik typoes!
Like you, Robyn, Cathy, Ujie, PharLap, etc- I izz purrfict inn evrey
weigh! :O)

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