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sam1528
Nov 26, 2011, 8:22:39 PM11/26/11
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a'kum wrbwb ,
I am wondering if anybody here can help me out. I am going thru the
issue of slavery in islam and came across the following hadith :
'..There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of
Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat =85 A man who sold a
free man and consumed his price.=92=94 Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2227). .'
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/94840
I tried the following website to check out this hadith but am having
difficulties locating it. The website as follows :
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/
Anyone .... any ideas ..... ??
Thanking in advance
jzk
I am wondering if anybody here can help me out. I am going thru the
issue of slavery in islam and came across the following hadith :
'..There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of
Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat =85 A man who sold a
free man and consumed his price.=92=94 Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2227). .'
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/94840
I tried the following website to check out this hadith but am having
difficulties locating it. The website as follows :
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/
Anyone .... any ideas ..... ??
Thanking in advance
jzk
Yusuf B Gursey
Nov 27, 2011, 3:23:59 AM11/27/11
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On Nov 26, 8:22=A0pm, sam1528 <sam1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> a'kum wrbwb ,
>
> I am wondering if anybody here can help me out. I am going thru the
> issue of slavery in islam and came across the following hadith :
it is worth mentioning that teh website said that this is a Hadith
> a'kum wrbwb ,
>
> I am wondering if anybody here can help me out. I am going thru the
> issue of slavery in islam and came across the following hadith :
Qudsi.
it begins: "Allah, may He be exalted, said: ..."
> '..There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of
> free man and consumed his price.=3D92=3D94 Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2227)=
. .'http://islamqa.com/en/ref/94840
>
> I tried the following website to check out this hadith but am having
> difficulties locating it. The website as follows :http://www.cmje.org/rel=
>
> I tried the following website to check out this hadith but am having
Steve Cleary
Nov 28, 2011, 8:21:49 PM11/28/11
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:22:39 CST, sam1528 <sam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>a'kum wrbwb ,
>
>I am wondering if anybody here can help me out. I am going thru the
>issue of slavery in islam and came across the following hadith :
>'..There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of
>Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat =85 A man who sold a
>free man and consumed his price.
In that case, there are going to be an awful lot of people, especially
>a'kum wrbwb ,
>
>I am wondering if anybody here can help me out. I am going thru the
>issue of slavery in islam and came across the following hadith :
>'..There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of
>Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat =85 A man who sold a
>free man and consumed his price.
Muhammed, who are going to find it difficult. Muhammed was a slave
keeper and trader par excellence. I wonder how Muslims deal with this
fact, if they believe him to be the best possible example of a human
being? Anyone care to answer, quoting the Qu'ran and Hadith in
response?
Steve Cleary
DKleinecke
Nov 28, 2011, 10:23:08 PM11/28/11
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On Nov 28, 5:21=A0pm, Steve Cleary <steve.cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
was a slave keeper and [slave] trader par excellence. And identify all
your sources.
We know the Quran tolerates slavery and advocates treating slaves
kindly. But the best evidence we have that Muhammad ever owned slaves
is the existence of as many as a dozen men who are said to have been
slaves freed by him (maulas in Arabic). What little we know about his
life style emphasizes his poverty and his personal household, not
including his wives households, does not seem to have included any
slaves. One of his maulas - Zayd ibn Haritha was considered to be
Muhammad's adopted son until adoption was forbidden.
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:22:39 CST, sam1528 <sam1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >a'kum wrbwb ,
>
> >I am wondering if anybody here can help me out. I am going thru the
> >issue of slavery in islam and came across the following hadith :
> >'..There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of
> >Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat =3D85 A man who sold =
> >a'kum wrbwb ,
>
> >I am wondering if anybody here can help me out. I am going thru the
> >issue of slavery in islam and came across the following hadith :
> >'..There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of
a
> >free man and consumed his price.
>
> In that case, there are going to be an awful lot of people, especially
> Muhammed, who are going to find it difficult. Muhammed was a slave
> keeper and trader par excellence. I wonder how Muslims deal with this
> fact, if they believe him to be the best possible example of a human
> being? Anyone care to answer, quoting the Qu'ran and Hadith in
> response?
>
> Steve Cleary
Let's reverse that challenge - what evidence do you have that Muhammad
> >free man and consumed his price.
>
> In that case, there are going to be an awful lot of people, especially
> Muhammed, who are going to find it difficult. Muhammed was a slave
> keeper and trader par excellence. I wonder how Muslims deal with this
> fact, if they believe him to be the best possible example of a human
> being? Anyone care to answer, quoting the Qu'ran and Hadith in
> response?
>
> Steve Cleary
was a slave keeper and [slave] trader par excellence. And identify all
your sources.
We know the Quran tolerates slavery and advocates treating slaves
kindly. But the best evidence we have that Muhammad ever owned slaves
is the existence of as many as a dozen men who are said to have been
slaves freed by him (maulas in Arabic). What little we know about his
life style emphasizes his poverty and his personal household, not
including his wives households, does not seem to have included any
slaves. One of his maulas - Zayd ibn Haritha was considered to be
Muhammad's adopted son until adoption was forbidden.
sam1528
Nov 28, 2011, 10:38:47 PM11/28/11
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On Nov 29, 9:21=A0am, Steve Cleary <steve.cle...@gmail.com> wrote:
manumission? When did Prophet Muhammad(saw) became a slave trader?
To follow Prophet Muhammad(saw) being the best example is to free
slaves :
Quran24:33 '..And those who seek a contract [for eventual
emancipation]
from among whom your right hands possess - then
make a
contract with them if you know there is within
them goodness
and give them from the wealth of Allah which He
has given
you..' (Sahih International)
There is a whole chapter for manumission of slaves in Sahih Bukhari :
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/046-sbt.php
What is exactly your objective? Trying to prove that Islam is false
with your
claim that Prophet Muhammad(saw) was a slaver keeper and trader? Then
you are twisting facts. Not that I mind you asking but you need to be
objective
with facts.
A'kum wrwb bros ,
I finally manage to locate the said hadith :
Volume 3, Book 34, Number 430:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Allah says, 'I will be against three persons on
the Day of Resurrection:
1. One who makes a covenant in My Name, but he proves treacherous.
2. One who sells a free person (as a slave) and eats the price,
3. And one who employs a laborer and gets the full work done by
him but does not pay him his wages.' "
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/034-sbt.php
> On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:22:39 CST, sam1528 <sam1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >a'kum wrbwb ,
>
> >I am wondering if anybody here can help me out. I am going thru the
> >issue of slavery in islam and came across the following hadith :
> >'..There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of
> >a'kum wrbwb ,
>
> >I am wondering if anybody here can help me out. I am going thru the
> >issue of slavery in islam and came across the following hadith :
> >'..There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of
> >Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat =3D85 A man who sold =
a
> >free man and consumed his price.
>
> In that case, there are going to be an awful lot of people, especially
> Muhammed, who are going to find it difficult. Muhammed was a slave
> keeper and trader par excellence. I wonder how Muslims deal with this
> fact, if they believe him to be the best possible example of a human
> being? Anyone care to answer, quoting the Qu'ran and Hadith in
> response?
>
> Steve Cleary
Can you tell me how many slaves Prophet Muhammad(saw) kept without
> >free man and consumed his price.
>
> In that case, there are going to be an awful lot of people, especially
> Muhammed, who are going to find it difficult. Muhammed was a slave
> keeper and trader par excellence. I wonder how Muslims deal with this
> fact, if they believe him to be the best possible example of a human
> being? Anyone care to answer, quoting the Qu'ran and Hadith in
> response?
>
> Steve Cleary
manumission? When did Prophet Muhammad(saw) became a slave trader?
To follow Prophet Muhammad(saw) being the best example is to free
slaves :
Quran24:33 '..And those who seek a contract [for eventual
emancipation]
from among whom your right hands possess - then
make a
contract with them if you know there is within
them goodness
and give them from the wealth of Allah which He
has given
you..' (Sahih International)
There is a whole chapter for manumission of slaves in Sahih Bukhari :
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/046-sbt.php
What is exactly your objective? Trying to prove that Islam is false
with your
claim that Prophet Muhammad(saw) was a slaver keeper and trader? Then
you are twisting facts. Not that I mind you asking but you need to be
objective
with facts.
A'kum wrwb bros ,
I finally manage to locate the said hadith :
Volume 3, Book 34, Number 430:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Allah says, 'I will be against three persons on
the Day of Resurrection:
1. One who makes a covenant in My Name, but he proves treacherous.
2. One who sells a free person (as a slave) and eats the price,
3. And one who employs a laborer and gets the full work done by
him but does not pay him his wages.' "
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/034-sbt.php
amro...@yahoo.com
Dec 8, 2011, 4:39:10 AM12/8/11
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"Marry the single women amongst you
and the pious from your slave men
and slave women; if they are poor
God will enrich them from His grace.."
Quran 24:32
"..and those who ask for a deed (of freedom)
from your slave girls, give them that deed
if you know good in them; and give them
from the money that God Has given you;
and do not force your slave girls into
prostitution when they want chastity
in order that you gain the goods of this world.."
Quran 24:33
On Nov 29, 7:38=A0am, sam1528 <sam1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
and the pious from your slave men
and slave women; if they are poor
God will enrich them from His grace.."
Quran 24:32
"..and those who ask for a deed (of freedom)
from your slave girls, give them that deed
if you know good in them; and give them
from the money that God Has given you;
and do not force your slave girls into
prostitution when they want chastity
in order that you gain the goods of this world.."
Quran 24:33
On Nov 29, 7:38=A0am, sam1528 <sam1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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