Beware the wahhabiyya
USTA BASSAM
This the third article in the series" Teach yourselves how to smash a
wahhabi using evidences from the Qur'an, Hadith and the saying of the
scholars"
The wahhabiyya claim that it is shirk to make Tabarruk (seeking
blessing<Barakah> from the traces of the prophet>>. Let's see if the
Prophet(sallalahu alyhi wassalam) told us to make tabarruk and if the
Companions, tabi^in, the salaf and the khalaf did it.
Narrations from al-Bukhariyy and Muslim confirm that during the last
Pilgrimage performed by the Prophet(Hijjat-ul-Wada^), the prophet
distributed his shorn hair. The Prophet threw the pebbles at
Jamrat-ul-^Aqabah, slaughtered a sheep and distributed its meet among the
poor, then shaved his head. He shaved the right side of his head and
gave his hair to Abu Talhah al-Ansariyy; then he shaved the left side of
his head, gave the hair to abu Talhah, and told him to distributed among
the poeple. Some received one hair, others two, and so on. The Prophet
personally handed some of his hair to poeple near him, including Umm
Sulaym9One of the female companions) and Abu Talhah, for them to
distribute among the people. In this, the hair of the Prophet was spread
in Muslim countries. The Prophet distributed his hair among the people
in order for them to seek blessingds(barakah) from it. Likewise, the
Prophet distributed his nail clippings among the people as stated by Imam
Ahamd in his Musnad. These actions clearly indicate the permissibility
of seeking benefit from the traces of the Prophet.
The Companions sought blessings from other traces of the Prophet as
well. Imam Muslim related in His Sahih that Asma', the daughter of Abu
Bakr, showed some People an article of clothing (Jabbah) worn by the
Prophet which had been at the house of her sister, ^A'ishah, the wife of
the Prophet. When ^A'ishah died, Asma' got the jubbah. The companions
sought the blessings from this jubbah of the Prophet by using the water
in which it had been soaked to treat the sick and cure the illness.
Ibn Abi shaybah narrated with a sahih chain as judged by Ibn Hajjar
al-^asqalaniy that it was the practice of the Companions in the masjid of
the Prophet to place their hands on the knob of the hand rail (rummanah)
of the platform(minbar) where the PProphet used to put his hand. There
they would supplicate(make du^a') to Allah hoping that Allah would answer
their supplications. The Practice of the sahabah clarify two matters.
The permissibility of Asking Allah for things by the Prophet (Tawassul)
after his death since by their act the Copmanions were truly making
tawassul. Like wise it is permissible to ask Allah for things by other
pious muslims. The second is the permissibility of blessing by the
traces of the Prophet.
Imam Ahamd, Al-hakim, and others narrated about Marwan Ibn-al-Hakam<<an
unjust ruler>> that he once passed by the grave of the Prophet and saw a
man with his cheek on the grave. Marwan Ibn -al-Hakam asked: " Do you
know what you are doing?" Nearing the grave, Marwn Ibn-al-Hakam realized
it was Abu Ayyub al-Ansariyy(One of the greatest Companions. He never
neglected performing jihad even as an old man. He was burried near
costantinople because he went with an army of Mu^awiyya to liberate it.)
Abu Ayyub al-Ansariyy replied, "Yes I know what I am doing. I came here for
the Messenger of Allah not for the stone. By this he ment he was seeking
the blessing from the presence of the Prophet, not for the stone covering
his grave. Abu Ayyub al-Ansariyy continued his response with what he
heard the Messenger of Allah say" Do not cry over this Religion if the
rulers are ruling correctly. Rather cry over this religion if the rulers
are ruling incorrectly. By this was telling Marwan ibn al hakam " You
are not one of those rulers who are correctly ruling by the rules of islam"
Considering the action of Abu Ayyub should one consider the statements of
Ibn taymiyya (Qabbahu Allah) who claims visiting the grave of the prophet
seeking the benefit is prohibited? who is more knowledgeable ibn
taymiyya or Abu Ayyub? Abu Ayyub was a man better than a whole earth
filled with people like ibn taymiiya and his arrogant followers the
wahhabiyya .
Ibn Taymiyya and the wahhabiyya claim that they follow the school of Imam
Ahmad ibn Hanbal.
The son of Imam Ahmad narrated in his book al-^ilal wa ma^rifat al rijal
that his father(Imam Ahmad) was asked about touching and kissing the
minbar of the prophet for the blessing and about seeking the blessing by
visiting the grave of the Prophet. He responded by saying " The matter
is not prohibited" Furthermore, Imam Ahmad said that blessings would
descend on those present in in a session when the name of Safwan Ibn
Sulaym(a pious man a the time of salaf). How can Ibn taymiyya and the
wahhabiyya claim that they follow the Hanbaliyy school? Imam Ahmad is in
one valley and the wahhabiyya are in another valley.
The aforementioned stand as a few of many documented proofs showing that
the Prophet, Sallalahu alyhi wassalam, taught there is benefir in seeking
blessings(barakah) from the traces of the prophets and the righteousely
pious Muslims and in asking Allah for things by them. You can use this
article to refute the claim of the wahhabiyya.
The wahhabiyya are very dangerous. If a jew speaks about islam
Muslim won't believe him because they know that a non -muslim doesn't
like islam but the wahhabiyya speaks about islam and claim that they are
Muslim and some of muslim may be deceived by them. By Allah they are more
dangerous on islam than the jews. Actually they share the jews a lot of
their bliefs like saying that Allah has sat on the throne or He is in the sky and he moves and some other
kind of horrible shirk ta^ala Allahu ^Amma Yaquluhu ath-thalimuna .
Insha'allah I will post more and more articles to expose the wahhabiyya
and to refute their claims.
Bassam Usta
Dien Alfred Rice
> Assalamu alaykum,
Wa alaikum salam,
> This the third article in the series" Teach yourselves how to smash a
> wahhabi using evidences from the Qur'an, Hadith and the saying of the
> scholars"
Is this really the right attitude - wanting to "smash a wahhabi" ?
The language sounds very violent... isn't it sufficient to say,
let us both look for the truth and bring our evidence ?
Those you wish to "smash" also read Qur'an and perform salat and
fast during Ramadan too. They are Muslims, and thus our brothers.
If we disagree, let's try to disagree in a peaceful and brotherly
manner.
Ramadan is the month of brotherhood and sisterhood, of peace,
and of increasing love between our hearts.
Wassalam,
Farid ud-Dien Rice
USTA BASSAM
>
> Is this really the right attitude - wanting to "smash a wahhabi" ?
> The language sounds very violent... isn't it sufficient to say,
> let us both look for the truth and bring our evidence ?
Yes Mr. Rice. I think you don't know how dangerous the wahhabiyya are.
>
> Those you wish to "smash" also read Qur'an and perform salat and
> fast during Ramadan too. They are Muslims, and thus our brothers.
> If we disagree, let's try to disagree in a peaceful and brotherly
> manner.
>
And they also say that sits on the throne and that clearing Allah of
created attributes (body, legsis) is not the belief of ahlus-sunna. And
they also say that it is shirk to say Ya Uhammad and to do tawassul. It
means that the sahaba and all of the salaf and khalaf are kuffar.
> Ramadan is the month of brotherhood and sisterhood, of peace,
> and of increasing love between our hearts.
>
For that reason we should increase our efforts to refute the wahhabiyya
Allah said << Kuntum Khayra ummatin 'ukhrijat lin-nassi ta'muruna bil
ma^arufi wa tanhawna ^anil munkar wa tu'minuna billahi>> what we are
doing on s.r.i is according to that verse from the Qur'an.
USTA BASSAM
Assalamu alaykum,
Mr. Dawud hashmi, who called himself a wahhabi, sent me an e-mail asking
about the books i use to get my proofs to refute the wahhabiyya. He also
claimed that an ash^ariy sent him a lot of proofs but when he looked into
it he realized that it was crap.
I will start by first question to a wahhabi like Dawud and we can show
our brothers how we can smash a wahhabi by using evidences and proofs
from Qur'an , hadith and the saying of pious scholars.
Mohammad bin abdul wahhab(Qabbahullah) in his book al-'usul ath-thalath
claimed that calling a dead person(like saying Ya Muhammad) is shirk and
kuffr and Allah wont forgive shirk.
AImam al bukhariyy in his book al-'adab al-mufrad narratyed the following
hadith<<Khadirat rijlu ibnu ^umar faqila lahu: 'uthkur ahabbannassi
ilayka faqal :Ya Muhammad fak'annamu nashutat min ^ukal>>.
The meaning is the leg bof ibn ^umar was benumbed and he was told:
Mention the name of the most beloved person to you. Then he said O
Muhammad(YA MUHAMMAD).
What does the wahhabiyya say about ibn ^umar and the men that compose the
chain of this hadith which include sufian ath-thawriyy? what do they say
about al-bukhariy who mention this hadith ? did al-bukhariyy encouraged
us to say what is kuffr?(he mentioned this hadith in a section titled<what
a person may say if his leg was benumed>>so indeed he is encouraging
us to say Ya Muhammad)
Ibn taymiyya mentioned the same hadith in a section that has the same
title in his book al-kalimu at-tayyibu. waht does the wahhabiyya say
about their own master? did he encouraged them to say what is kuffr?
Note that some wahhabiyya tampered with the book al-adab al-mufrad and
removed the word Ya but there is several different versions printed by
different presses which still have the word Ya in the hadith.
The aforementioned hadith stands as a clear proof that the wahhabiyya
indded accuse great sahhaba and scholars in shirk. They are extremely
dangerous on the ^aquida of the muslims. beware of them and refute them
whenever they start talking.
One of the wahhabiyya who said that touching the graves of the muslims is
shirk has said <<If Muhammad bin abdullah did it he would have done
shirk>> na^uthu billahi min kufr al wahhabiyya. They even dared to say
that the prophet could do what is kuffr.
More to come insha'allah about the wahhabiyya.
My final advice to the wahhabiyya is: leave your religion and convert to
islam immediately.
Bassam Usta
dja...@gemini.ldc.lu.se
>
>Assalamu alaykum,
>
are some people called aHbach who are very unpleased with some respectful
scholars of Islam especially Ibn Taymiyyah and Abdul Wahhab. And these
people hate other muslims more than the kuffar. We have some samples of
them here in Sweden and in Denmark. They allow smoking chicha and their
women go in the streets perfumed, in jeans and coloured in the face with
all sorts of make up (among other things).
>AImam al bukhariyy in his book al-'adab al-mufrad narratyed the following
>hadith<<Khadirat rijlu ibnu ^umar faqila lahu: 'uthkur ahabbannassi
>ilayka faqal :Ya Muhammad fak'annamu nashutat min ^ukal>>.
>The meaning is the leg bof ibn ^umar was benumbed and he was told:
>Mention the name of the most beloved person to you. Then he said O
>Muhammad(YA MUHAMMAD).
Here you miss it. Dhikr does not mean especially to say. In fact one can
make dhikr in either of three ways: by remembrence (bil 'akl),
by saying (billissaan) and by the heart (bil kalb). So when you make dhikr
of Allah, you don't need to get your head out of the window and shout to
the people down in the street "Ya Allaah". You can just sit comfortably
in your arm-chair or while you are lying down in your bed and remember
Allah, you could also say silently "Subhanallah" and son on. I advise you
to read the tafsir of the last verses of Aali 'imran (sura 3, elledhiina
yedhkourouna Llaha..) so you can learn from our beloved prophet SAAS how he
used to make dhikr.
> so indeed he is encouraging us to say Ya Muhammad
You can say it (in the same way that many "muslims" feel free to do what-
ever seems good to them, the pitfalls of the enlightened era), but it does
not help you in anything. Why did the prophet SAAS tell us not to make
a moske of his tomb ? Just for not mixing him with Allah and not invoking
his help in distress, he is dead and he cannot help others just like any
other dead human being.
>Note that some wahhabiyya tampered with the book al-adab al-mufrad and
>removed the word Ya but there is several different versions printed by
>different presses which still have the word Ya in the hadith.
Elkoullou you:khadhou minhou wa youradd, illa saHiba hadha lkabri.
Everyone can say right or can make mistakes but the prophet SAAS.
If you find that Ibn Taymiyyah or AbdulWahhab made a mistake (which
is more likely to happen to a mudjtahid, but he will get a reward for
either case while you, you get nothing or get a punishment for back-
bitting and slandering dead people who have sacrified more than some
drops of saliva for this great religion. By the way Ibn Taymiyyah has
written some 400 books, and I have not seen a single from you). But
what amazes me is that why the aHbach take what their illuminated leader
Abdullah El Habachy (whos origins are very vague, I don't say kabbahullah
despite he is at a much much low level than that of Ibn Taymiyyah) as
granted and do check nothing of his claims ? He is for me a sort of that
self proclaimed prophet who came out once to his folk and told them "today
I have taken away from you the obligation to pay alms (zakat) and the
accomplice crowd to reply in unison "How great is our prophet !"
>One of the wahhabiyya who said that touching the graves of the muslims is
>shirk has said <<If Muhammad bin abdullah did it he would have done
>shirk>> na^uthu billahi min kufr al wahhabiyya. They even dared to say
>that the prophet could do what is kuffr.
You may also touch the graves of dead people and still you get not answer
in the same way that you get no help from the one lying in it. But I think
you miss an important ingredient in your discussion :"the intention" (nya)
so when you touch a grave or call upon a dead one, what is the intention
behind it ? this could make a clearer view of the goal of the discussion.
>My final advice to the wahhabiyya is: leave your religion and convert to
>islam immediately.
and to the aHbach: leave your (mis)leader and fight the true ennemy !
"men kaana mouktadin fel yektadi bimeyyitin, fe inna el aHyya:a la tou:ma-
nou 'alaihimou lfitnetou"
Suppose that tomorrow El Habashy repents or shows his real face if he is
in some disguise, would you be humble enough to follow him ?
>
>Bassam Usta
Djamel.
>
USTA BASSAM
> >Assalamu alaykum,
> >
> Can you define for us what is exactely a wahhabi ? I know that there
> are some people called aHbach who are very unpleased with some respectful
> scholars of Islam especially Ibn Taymiyyah and Abdul Wahhab. And these
> people hate other muslims more than the kuffar. We have some samples of
> them here in Sweden and in Denmark. They allow smoking chicha and their
> women go in the streets perfumed, in jeans and coloured in the face with
> all sorts of make up (among other things).
>
A wahhabi is the one who believe that Allah sits on the throne and left a
place next to him for the Prophet Mohammad. They also accuse the sahaba
and great muslim scholars of blasphemy.
>
> Here you miss it. Dhikr does not mean especially to say. In fact one can
> make dhikr in either of three ways: by remembrence (bil 'akl),
> by saying (billissaan) and by the heart (bil kalb). So when you make dhikr
> of Allah, you don't need to get your head out of the window and shout to
> the people down in the street "Ya Allaah". You can just sit comfortably
> in your arm-chair or while you are lying down in your bed and remember
> Allah, you could also say silently "Subhanallah" and son on. I advise you
> to read the tafsir of the last verses of Aali 'imran (sura 3, elledhiina
> yedhkourouna Llaha..) so you can learn from our beloved prophet SAAS how he
> used to make dhikr.
>
>
>From your answer one can understand one of three things. that you didn't
understand what the wahhabiyya say or you don't understand english
or you don't know know what is the meaning of the word saying.. The
wahhabiyya say that saying <<Ya muhammad>> is shirk and that was clearly
mentioned by muhammad ibn abdulwahhab in his book al-usul ath-thalath you
can checkit . My question to you and to all the likes of you: did ibn
^umar say what is shirk? did albukhariy encouraged us to say whay is shirk?
did the one whom you called a scholar (ibn taymiyya) encouraged you to say
what is shirk?
>
> You can say it (in the same way that many "muslims" feel free to do what-
> ever seems good to them, the pitfalls of the enlightened era), but it does
> not help you in anything. Why did the prophet SAAS tell us not to make
> a moske of his tomb ? Just for not mixing him with Allah and not invoking
> his help in distress, he is dead and he cannot help others just like any
> other dead human being.
>
Here is another evidence that you don't understand what the wahhabiyya say.
They say That saying Ya muhammad is kuffr and that was mentioned by
ibn abdulwahhab the one that you took the burden of defending him. Now
because you said that i can say Ya muhammad it means that you are a mushrik
according to the person that you are defending???? So now another
question arise who is the mushrik you or ibn abdulwahhab?
> >Note that some wahhabiyya tampered with the book al-adab al-mufrad and
> >removed the word Ya but there is several different versions printed by
> >different presses which still have the word Ya in the hadith.
>
> Elkoullou you:khadhou minhou wa youradd, illa saHiba hadha lkabri.
> Everyone can say right or can make mistakes but the prophet SAAS.
> If you find that Ibn Taymiyyah or AbdulWahhab made a mistake (which
> is more likely to happen to a mudjtahid, but he will get a reward for
> either case while you, you get nothing or get a punishment for back-
> bitting and slandering dead people who have sacrified more than some
> drops of saliva for this great religion. By the way Ibn Taymiyyah has
> written some 400 books, and I have not seen a single from you). But
> what amazes me is that why the aHbach take what their illuminated leader
> Abdullah El Habachy (whos origins are very vague, I don't say kabbahullah
> despite he is at a much much low level than that of Ibn Taymiyyah) as
> granted and do check nothing of his claims ? He is for me a sort of that
> self proclaimed prophet who came out once to his folk and told them "today
> I have taken away from you the obligation to pay alms (zakat) and the
> accomplice crowd to reply in unison "How great is our prophet !"
In one of his "400 books" ibn taymiyya said << Allah sat on the throne and
he left a space for the prophet for him to sit>> and in another book he
said<<Our saying that the hawadith occurs in Allah is shown by the shar^
and the mind>> and in another book he siad << what is stranger than that
is his(ibn hazm) reporting ijma^ upon the kuffr of whoever contended with
the beleif that Allah existed eternally by Himself and no thing existed
with him>> and in another book he << If the kind of the creations is
assumed to be eternal with Allah, this companionship is not negated by
the shar^ or the mind but it is of his perfection. then he mentioned the
verse 17 of al-nahl then he continued and said and the creation existed
eternally with him but many people confuse the self with the kind>> this
is a sample of what ibn taymiyya said . Does a muslim belive that Allah
could have created attribut? Does a muslim believe that Allah has legs
and a buttom and a back so that he sits? does a muslim belive that Allah
is a body so that he could be bounded and occupy the throne and leave a
space for the prophet? does a muslim believe that there is something
eternal other than Allah? It is clear that you read none of the "400 books".
I am not like you Mr. nearly wahhabi. when I accuse somebody of
balsphemy i do present my evidences. If you realy want the truth you can
open the books of ibn taymiyya and read in your own eyes and if you
belive what you see in your own eyes( most of the arrogant wahhabiyya do
beleive what they read in their own eyes except when they read in the
books ibn taymiyya and ibn abdulwahhab) you will see how mistaken you are
about ibn taymiyya and you will see that he is nothing but a mushrik and
mushabih. I defy you to look into his books and if you want to do it you
can ask me about the names of the books and page numbers. Are going to do
it? I hope but i doubt.
>
> You may also touch the graves of dead people and still you get not answer
> in the same way that you get no help from the one lying in it. But I think
> you miss an important ingredient in your discussion :"the intention" (nya)
> so when you touch a grave or call upon a dead one, what is the intention
> behind it ? this could make a clearer view of the goal of the discussion.
>
Here is also a proof that you don't really know anything about the
wahabiyya and the saying of ibn taymiyya and ibn abdulwahhab. You took
the burden of defending them without first having a bit of knowledge
about their saying. Ibn abdulwahhab and his arrogant followers
the wahhabiyya claims that it is shirk to touch the graves.
About the intention of touching the graves: It is for tabarruk. And if
we call the one in the grave it is for tawassul. Probably you will ask
about the proof for what i claimed so here it is(another proof that i am
not like you. I always present my evidences):
Al Hakem in his book al-mustadrak and Imam Ahmad in his musnadnarrated the
following(what means)<<Marwan ibn al-hakam once he was passing by the
grave of the prophet and saw a man with his cheek on the grave of the
prophet. Marwan ibn al-hakkam asked ""Do you know what are you doing?"
nearing the grave, Marwan ibn al-hakkamrealized that it was Abu Ayyub
al-ansariyy, one of the greatest companions. Abu ayyub then replied
"Yes I know what i am doing doing. I came here for the messenger and
for the stone. I heard the prophet saying(what means) "Do not cry over
the religion of islam if the rulers are ruling correctly. rather cry
over this religion if the rulers are ruling incorrectly>>
My question to you and to the likes of you: Did abu ayyub do what is
shirk? Is putting your head and cheeks on the grave shirk so that abu
ayyub did it?Did Imam Ahmad narrated what is shirk and also al-hakem?
If you want more evidences about that i am ready to provide it including
the saying of imam ash-shafi^iy and imam ahmad and imam malek and
al-bayhakiyy and ibn hajar and more that two dozen of pious scolars if
you belive that they are trustworthy. But I am sure that the doing of abu
ayyub is more than enough to clear and proof what I said.
About tawassul here is a proof that dead persons could benefit you.
In Al-Mu^jam al-kabir and al-saghir , Imam attabaraniy related the hadith
about the prophet from the root of ^uthman ibn hunayf who was in a circle
with the prophet when a blind man came to address Porphet
Muhammad,sallallahu alayhi wassalam(what means):
The blind man addressed the Prophet by saying," O Prophet of Allah, ask
Allah for me to cure my blindness." The Prophet replied by saying, " If
you wish, you would be patient with your calamity, and if you wish, i
will ask allah to cure your blindness."
However the blind man told the Prophet;"The loss of my sight is a great
hardship for me and there is no one near me to guide me around". At this
moment the Prophet oredered the man to go to the place where al-wadu'
would be performed , perform wudu' , pray two ruku^ah, end his salat by
saying as-salamu alaykum, and then say the following words(what
means):<<O Allah I ask you , and I direct myself to you in supplication
by our Prphet Mohhammad, the Prophet of mercy. O Muhammad I Direct my
self to Allah by you, So my need(here the specific need would be mentioned)
would be fulfilled>. The blind man went and did as the prophet ordered.
Shortly thereafter, he returned to the Prophet's session with his
blindness cured.
Then after the death of the prophet and during the time of the caliphate
^Uthman, a man came to complaine dto ^uthman Ibn Hunayf about a matter
which he need to be filfilled through the caliph, but which was not being
fulfilled. Uthman ibn hunayf ordered the man to go and perform wudu' and
pray two rak6a and after saying as-salam to say the following words<<O
Allah, I ask You and direct myself to You in supplication by our prophet
Mohammad, the Prophet of mercy. O muhammad, I direct myself to Allah by
you, so my need (specify need) would be fulfilled.'
^Uthman ibn hunayf told him to return after doing this, and they would go
together. This man went and performed what ^uthman ibn hunayf told him.
however instead of returning to ^uthman Ibn Hunayf, he elected to go on
his own to the caliph--which he did. when he reached the door of the
caliph the gateman took him by his hand to the caliph. ^Uthman ibn
^affan sat him on the carpet with him and asked him what is your need
that you wanted fulfilled? I forgot all about it until just now." The man
informed the caliph about his need, which he fulfilled. The caliph told
him, " when ever you have a need come to me and I will satisfy it for
you. end of the hadith
It is because of the prayer this man performed, and the du^a' that he
made(tawassul) that Allah made the heart of the caliph move toward
fulfilling the need of the man.
My question to you and to the likes of you: Did the prophet told the
blind man to do what is shirk? did the sahaba do what is shirk? did
at-tabaraniy narrated what is shirk?who is the mushrik the sahaba
or your master ibn taymiyya and your other master ibn abdulwahhab?
If you need more evidences about making tawassul i will be more than
happy to send it but the aforementioned hadith is enough to refute the
claim of ibn taymiyya and ibn abdulwahhab.
As for you numerous accusation for shieck abdullah and his followers I
couldnot see a single proof of what you said. You are not the first
ignorant who lies about him and his followers. But this article showed a
big diference betwwen his students and his enemies. I presented my
proofs but you presented none. I defy you to go and look in the books of
ibnm taymiyya and see in your own eyes that he is nothing but an arrogant
mushabih and kafir.
My advice to all the wahhabiyya: Quit your religion and convert
immediately to islam.
Bassam Usta
dja...@gemini.ldc.lu.se
>A wahhabi is the one who believe that Allah sits on the throne
This is an old matter of controversy and many of zanadiqa used it to
blow up the flames of the fitna between the muslims (looking much like
the revival of the fitna by the aHbach). This matter is older
than Mohammed Abdulwahhab. I know that Imam Malik said about it:
"El istiwaa:ou ma'rouf, wel keyfou medjhoul, wel iimanou bihi wadjib
oua ssou:alou 'anhou bid'a" So every one asking about it is a moubtadi'
and the great scholars of ahlu ssunna wel Djama'a like Ibn Taymiyya
(raghma enfik) have agreed that one should not discuss these matters,
my brain, your brain and his brain have a limited capacity of knowledge
set by our Creator Allah 'azza wa djall. It looks in a way like the
discussions about kadhaa: and kadar. It stays clear in the Quran "
" ErraHmanou 'ela l'archi stewaa". Now if El Habachy wants to give it
some special meaning, it is his business but he has no proofs to support
his claims. Many scholars (much more pious and much more knowledgeable
than him) before him tried but failed. They felt they were not obliged
to do it, they were simply humble.
> and left a place next to him for the Prophet Mohammad.
Where did you find this ? and if so why not ? Is not the prophet SAAS
khaleel ou rraHmaan ? Do you envy the prophet SAAS to be near his Lord ?
>They also accuse the sahaba and great muslim scholars of blasphemy.
Which ones of them ? This is just a fabrication.
>>From your answer one can understand one of three things. that you didn't
>understand what the wahhabiyya say or you don't understand english
>or you don't know know what is the meaning of the word saying.. The
>wahhabiyya say that saying <<Ya muhammad>> is shirk and that was clearly
>mentioned by muhammad ibn abdulwahhab in his book al-usul ath-thalath you
> can checkit .
I don't have the book with me. But I think if you ask anyone for help
(not to lift a table) else than Allah or with Allah, than this is Chirk
because either you remove the divine power from Allah and give it another
one or that you make them share it and this is a clear chirk. Can you
give us a proof of the opposite ?
>My question to you and to all the likes of you: did ibn ^umar say what is
>shirk? did albukhariy encouraged us to say whay is shirk? did the one
>whom you called a scholar (ibn taymiyya) encouraged you to say what is shirk?
I don't understand your question if thers is any.
>Now because you said that i can say Ya muhammad it means that you are a mushrik
>according to the person that you are defending???? So now another
>question arise who is the mushrik you or ibn abdulwahhab?
Neither of us but the discussion is turning now to a dgraded level.
Can you raise a little your level ?
I deleted all what you said before because you have no evidence of
your arguments against Ibn Taymiyyah. He surely advances proofs for
his claims but you you just make speculations "In yettebi'ouna illa
edhdhanna we mee youghni edhdhannou 'eni lHaqqi chey:a"
>Does a muslim belive that Allah could have created attribut? Does a muslim
>believe that Allah has legs and a buttom and a back so that he sits?
This is a serious mistake you are making. When you talk about Allah you
imagine a man and "leysa kemithilihi chey:" But did Ibn Taymiyyah elaborate
around "Istewaa" or "djelessa". In case he has used djelessa then he has
used the wrong word (by the way does djelessa or qa'ada apply only to those
having legs, back and bottom ? Is it wrong for something else to sit ? are
you en expert in arabic ?) But the hadiths say that Allah has leg and hand
(don't think of the human leg and hand). But this about the bottom to
Allah (Astaghfirou Llaha to say about Allah what he is not), I really doubt
that the great Ibn Taymiyyah said it. Can you refer to where in his monu-
mental work it is ?(ask for help from El Habashy) I will check in the
local mosque's library.
>does a muslim belive that Allah is a body so that he could be bounded and
occupy the throne and leave a space for the prophet?
Before discussing about Istiwaa: (not sitting) on the throne, can you
give us a brief description of Allah's throne ? (a muslim should make
salaat on the prophet SAAS whenever he mentions him)
>does a muslim believe that there is something eternal other than Allah?
>It is clear that you read none of the "400 books".
You mean that The great Ibn Taymiyyah said that there were some things
(pl of chey:) befor Allah, or that he is against "houa l:awwalou felee
chey:a qablahou" Can you tell me where he has said it (be sure that
you are not reading some false copy probably printed in Dar El Habashy
littibaa'ati ouannachr).
>I am not like you Mr. nearly wahhabi. when I accuse somebody of
>balsphemy i do present my evidences.
You have yet not given a single evidence that Cheikh Muhammad Abdulwahhab
or the great Cheikh Ibn Taymiyyah have blasphemed. I challenge you to
do it with your ignorance.
>If you realy want the truth you can open the books of ibn taymiyya and read
>in your own eyes and if you belive what you see in your own eyes
A person is innocent untill proofs of his culpability are given. You accuse
the great Ibn Taymiyyah and Cheikh Abdulwahhab so it is for you to sup-
ply clear evidences for it. And I am waitnig for book titles and page
numbers (and of course the publisher).
>( most of the arrogant wahhabiyya do beleive what they read in their own eyes
>except when they read in the books ibn taymiyya and ibn abdulwahhab)
We are arrogant to the truth, and we read with our hearts more than with
our eyes "fe innehou lee te'ma ':absarou we lekin te'ma lkouloubou lleti
fissoudour"
>> You may also touch the graves of dead people and still you get not answer
>> in the same way that you get no help from the one lying in it. But I think
>> you miss an important ingredient in your discussion :"the intention" (nya)
>> so when you touch a grave or call upon a dead one, what is the intention
>> behind it ? this could make a clearer view of the goal of the discussion.
>>
>Ibn abdulwahhab and his arrogant followers the wahhabiyya claims that it
>is shirk to touch the graves.
Even if one does it unintentionnally ? Suppose that one touches a grave
because we are at some funeral and there are a lot of people so it hap-
pened that one touches or falls on a grave, what does Cheikh Abdulwahhab
say about it ? What do you say about it ?
>
>About the intention of touching the graves: It is for tabarruk. And if
>we call the one in the grave it is for tawassul. Probably you will ask
>about the proof for what i claimed so here it is(another proof that i am
>not like you. I always present my evidences):
>
>Al Hakem in his book al-mustadrak and Imam Ahmad in his musnadnarrated the
>following(what means)<<Marwan ibn al-hakam once he was passing by the
>grave of the prophet and saw a man with his cheek on the grave of the
>prophet.
First, not all the hadeeths in the Musnad are sahih. Second, I don't
doubt about this story unless I am sure it is a true history. Third
not all the companions RAA know all the Sunnah of the prophet SAAS.
So, many companions RAA were mistaking in some matters untill other
companions RAA showed them. Fourth, did Abu Ayyub RAA did what he did
because the prophet SAAS told him ? Fifth, that was the grave of the
prophet SAAS and not of anyone else. What we know about this matter is
only that the prophet SAAS said in his death bed that the jews and
the christians are damned because the made worshiping places of their
prophets' graves. Something that has not happened yet to the muslims.
>My question to you and to the likes of you: Did abu ayyub do what is
>shirk?
I thought only the prophet SAAS could not by the will of Allah make a
mistake. Everybody else, including El Habashy could make a mistake.
Now I rather doubt that Abu Ayyub RAA made chirk but I think he could
have been knowing and saying " ...oua naastaghfirouka lima lee ne'lem"
>In Al-Mu^jam al-kabir and al-saghir , Imam attabaraniy related the hadith
>about the prophet from the root of ^uthman ibn hunayf who was in a circle
Same comments as for the story above
...............
><<O Allah I ask you , and I direct myself to you in supplication
>by our Prphet Mohhammad, ....
>
>Then after the death of the prophet and during the time of the caliphate
>^Uthman, a man came ...
> O Allah, I ask You and direct myself to You in supplication by our prophet
>Mohammad,
What you translate as "in supplication" is from the arabic "bidjeeh".
But the man said at both times "O Allah" and not "Ya Mohammad" because
if he said Ya Mohammad he would have made shirk. And the prophet SAAS
did tell him to ask Allah and only Allah and I think Cheikh Mohammed
Ibn 'abdulwahhab is not against this, is he ?
>My question to you and to the likes of you: Did the prophet told the
>blind man to do what is shirk?
I think you are becoming that blind man. Go and do what Abu Hunayf RAA
said and may be you will be cured (don't forget the nya !)
>If you need more evidences about making tawassul i will be more than
>happy to send it but the aforementioned hadith is enough to refute the
>claim of ibn taymiyya and ibn abdulwahhab.
Just guide me to more eveidences. The above argument brought nothing
new to our discussion neither did it make you sit more comfortably.
>
>As for you numerous accusation for shieck abdullah and his followers I
>couldnot see a single proof of what you said. You are not the first
>ignorant who lies about him and his followers.
All what I know about El Habashy is that he has fled many confrontations
with righteous scholars who tried to bring him back to his reason (if he
has any left) but unfortunately he is moussirr 'ala nnedeemeti. About
his followers, they are just making a new component to the fuel of the
fitna in Lebanon (we have enough of tawa:iif). And all what they are
filling their discussions and daily occupations with is "this is a kaffir
this is a muchrik, this a djahil" and so on, nothing beneficient.
I have a last (and not the only) question to you: Where do the aHbach
find that women can smoke cigarettes, use sex appealing perfumes and
exhibit their buttocks in tight jeans ?
>Bassam Usta
>
>
Djamel.
Mansour Zuair
>My advice to all the wahhabiyya: Quit your religion and convert
>immediately to islam.
Assalamu Alaikum wr. wb.
Isn't it amaising how some people made it so easy accusing others of
being kaffirs!! to the extent that some say so about the best of the
Ummah, the first generation, while the prophet Salla Allahu Alaihi
wa Sallam worn againes that, if you call some one a kafir and he is
not THEN YOU ARE. So be prepared for an answer in the day of judgement.
Mohammad Ibn Abdulwahhab, by the grace of Allah, made Daawah in
Arabia againest the shirk which was spread all over the place, i.e.
people were worshiping grtaves, trees, etc.
No body calls him self a Wahhabi? if you know one please let us know.
and please provide a proof, references from their writings, of what
you say that they belief.
If any one is seeking the truth and wants to read what the followers
of Mohammad Ibn Abdulwahhab belief, here is a link for that:
http://mothra.syr.edu:8080/~msa/docs/othaimeen.html
Jazakum Allahu khairan
Wassalamu Alaikum wr. wb.
Macbaba100
did make mistakes. All haman beings do. I'll give you my proof. In surah
A'basa Allah tells Prophet Mohammed SAAS not to ignore the blind man which
is what the Prophet had done while trying to preach to the ignorant Kuffar
who would not listen to him. This was a mistake of the Prophet. Another
thing is one time the Prophet had said something (I can't remember
exactly) about seeing something tommorrow or doing something the next day
(I apologize I can't remember clearly) but the point is he forgot to say
insha'allah. Allah then said to Prophet Mohammed PBUH to say insha'allah
because ha can never be sure. Everything is in hte will of God. I don't
know where the proof for my 2nd statement is. Sorry. I had heard it in an
Islamic session. So the Prophet SAS did make mistakes. Everyone does.
Assalamu Alaikum. Hadia Mubarak. Macba...@aol.com
Fouad Haddad
>I just wanted to correct this mistake. Prophet MOhammed Peace Be YUpon Him
>did make mistakes. All haman beings do. I'll give you my proof. In surah
Ahl al-Sunna believe by ijma` (consensus) that Prophets are ma`sum (immune,
exempt) from sins great and small, including mistakes. The mistakes of
Prophets therefore are not comparable to ours. The ulama have explained at
length that they are didactic. Furthermore in the matter of sanction and
reward, they receive ajr (reward) for their mistakes as if they were actual
hasanat (excellent deeds). Read al-Qadi `Iyad's chapter on this topic in his
"Shifa" translated into English. It is important to understand the correct
position on this to avoid saying enormities without relaizing. By no means
do I blame those who received the wrong teachings, only their "teachers."
To say that the Prophet (s) made mistakes undiscriminately of the above
clarifications is one of the linchpins of Wahhabi/Salafi thought, may Allah
save us from their company here and hereafter.
>From Allah is all success, and there is no change nor might except through Him.
Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions
Fouad Haddad
Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a
dja...@gemini.ldc.lu.se
>To say that the Prophet (s) made mistakes undiscriminately of the above
>clarifications is one of the linchpins of Wahhabi/Salafi thought, may Allah
>save us from their company here and hereafter.
To pretend to be a defender of the islamic values is easy. To do it
is relevent to other capacities. Where on earth do you find that the
"wahhabies" and the "Salafies" say that the prophet SAAS has made
mistakes. And once for all what is a wahhabi and a salafi so we know
whom we are talking about.
Stop bashing people right and left and especially the dead ones of them
without checking up the references of what you hear.
>Fouad Haddad
>Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a
>
We know what is Sunna wal Djamaa'a. Can you shed some light on
Naqshaband-Haqqani stressing on historical data ?
>
Djamel.
Fouad Haddad
> And once for all what is a wahhabi and a salafi so we know
> whom we are talking about.
A Wahhabi and/or Salafi is someone who, when he sees this:
>>My master `Abd al-Qadir al-Gilani -- may God increase our benefit with his
>>baraka --
will feel impelled to write something like this:
> I see, you are the follower of some tareeqa.
which is su' al-zann (casting aspersion, suspicion) in its purest form.
Then, the Wahhabi will give sanctimonious advice that precisely
applies to his own situation, except that he directs it to all but himself,
such as:
- "Don't pretend to be a defender of Islamic values"
- "Don't cast aspersions on dead people" and so forth.
I hope this makes it clear what a Wahhabi is, as these aggressive
statements are common currency nowadays, and those who make them
see no irony in the fact that they consider themselves righteous at
the same time as they attribute the worse actions or intentions to others.
>>Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a
>>
> We know what is Sunna wal Djamaa'a. Can you shed some light on
> Naqshaband-Haqqani stressing on historical data ?
"We" are invited to visit the WWW site of the Foundation.
> Djamel.
Fouad Haddad
Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a
URL: http://www.best.com/~informe/mateen/haqqani.html [in 9 languages]