Ahmadiyyat: Islam?
Hamza Karamali
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE COMPASSIONATE, THE MERCIFUL.
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Dr. Ijaz Rauf wrote:
>raf...@pathcom.com (Hamza Karamali) wrote:
>>Dear Harry,
>>
>>I implore you to be extremely careful about the reply you just received.
>>Kindly note that it came from a follower of “Ahmadiyyism” which is not, as
the
>>author claims, “true Islam”. In fact, IT IS NOT ISLAM AT ALL.
>
>How on earth do you qualify that statement. I and many Ahmadi Muslims have
>been posting on this newsgroup for about more than three years. There has
>been numerous amount of postings on a variety of subjects, ranging from
>controvertial issue to dialy behaviour.
I noticed. Being a newcomer to sri, I always wondered how come nobody ever
said anything about your postings. Perhaps it’s time someone spoke up.
> I challenge to point out one single
>thing which Ahmadi Muslims have written unIslamic.
OK. Here goes. All from the horse’s mouth (i.e. Mirza Ghulam; your
"prophet").
• Holy Prophet Mohammed SAAW did not understand the meaning of Surath
AlZilzal.
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain, vol 3 p.166-167)
• "Quran is God's Book and the words of my mouth."
(Advertisement dated 15th March 1897)
• "Prophets are liars."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.472)
• "Hadrath Mohammad's Revelation also turned out to be wrong."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.472)
• "Hazrath Imam Mahdi will not come."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.378)
• "Revelation did not inform Hazrath Mohammad about Ibne Maryam, Dajjal,
Khare Dajjal, Yajoog Majoog and Daabatul Ardh."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.473)
• "Khar-eDajjal (donkey of Dajjal) is the railway train, Dabbatul Ardh are
Muslim Scholars (Ulema) and Dajjal are the Christian Priests etc. etc."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.365-366)
• "Hazrath Eisa ibne Maryam used to practice mesmerism and was quite expert
in it."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.257)
• "Hazrat Eisa ibne Maryam was the son of Yusuf Najjar (Joseph, the
Carpenter)."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.254)
• "Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya is the Book of God."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.386)
• "Miracles mentioned in Holy Quran are results of Mesmerism."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.506)
• "Verse "No doubt we have revealed it near Qadian (Inna Anzalnaho Qareeban
min alQadian) is mentioned in Quran."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.140)
• "Names of Makkah, Madina and Qadian are mentioned with respect in Holy
Quran."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p. 140)
• "Bait-ul-Fikr (room where Mirza used to sit and write books) is like
Haram-e-Ka'aba, 'Wa man dakhalahoo kaan amina' (and whosoever enter it,is in
peace.)"
(Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya, Roohani Khazain vol 1 p.666-667)
• "Verse of Holy Quran : 'Praise be to Allah, who took his servant on the
Night Journey from Masjid Haram to Masjid Aqsa', its real and literal
application is the mosque built by father of Mirza Ghulam."
(Advertisement for Donation to build Minaret-ul-Maseeh, 10 years after
claiming to be the Promised Messiah, Collection of Advertisements, vol 3
p.286)
• "Hadrath Rasool-e-Akram SAAW is not the Last and Final Messenger of Allah."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.320)
• "Qiyamah or the Day of Judgement is nothing and Destiny is false."
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(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p. 2 Title page, First edition)
• "There is no punishment in grave."
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.316)
• "Tanasukh (Transimmigration of soul - a hindu belief) is true."
(Sat Bachan p.84)
• "Holy Quran is full of filthy words."
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(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.115-117)
• "I claim that I am the awaited Messiah, about whom there are prophecies in
all the Holy Books that he will appear in the last days."
(Thfa-e-Golravia, Roohani Khazain vol 17, p.295)
• "I am Adam, I am Noah, I am Abraham, I am Isaac, I am Jacob, I am Ishmael,
I am Moses, I am Jesus son of Mary, I am Mohammed SAAW ..."
(Roohani Khazain vol 22 p.521)
• I am the "Self-implanted and Self-cultivated Seedling" of the British
Government.
(Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol 13, p.350)
• "From my early age till now when I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged,
with my pen and tongue, in an important task to turn the hearts of muslims
towards the true love & goodwill & sympathy for the British Government and to
obliterate the idea of jehad from the hearts of stupid
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(muslims)."
(Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.350)
• "......for the sake of British Government, I have published & distributed
50,000 leaflets in this country (India) and other Islamic countries (against
jehad)..... the result is that hundreds of thousands of people have given up
their filthy ideas about Jihad."
(Roohani Khazain vol 15 p. 114)
• "...and I know these literatures have affected people in this country as
well and those who have taken oath with me they have formed a Jama'at
(Ahmadiyya) whose hearts are filled with true benevolence of this (British)
Government...and they are heartily willing to lay down their lives for
Government."
(Letter to the British Government by Mirza Ghulam, Tabligh-e-Risalat vol 6
p.65)
• "Except for the Children of Prostitutes, whose hearts have been sealed
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by God, everyone else believes in my Prophethood."
(Aina-e-Kamalate Islam, Roohani Khazain vol 5, p.547)
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(ATTENTION ALL MUSLIMS!!!!!! What does the above statement make us in the eyes
of this "revelation"?)
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• "He, who does not believe on Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, is Disobedient to God
and Prophet and will go to Hell."
(Advertisement by Mirza Ghulam dated 25th May 1900)
I got these from:
http://www.nl-marketing.com/netlink/KhatmeNabuwwat/
You may want to check out the site. And also:
http://www.nl-marketing.com/netlink/rashid/anti_ahmadiyya.html
I found them to be quite enlightening.
>I have already started
>posting the Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam, that is what the religion
>Ahmadi Muslims practice and follow. Show me that it is not Islam and bring
>yours in comparison to that presented in the said book and show me why that
>is Islam and what I practice is not Islam.
>
>>I know I may
>>sound like a bearded, mad, narrow-minded fanatic,
>
>How do you know that you may sound like the above? Because you know
>you are making a claim you can not back and you are simply relying on what
>has been told to you by people who are catagorised by the words you used
>above. Hence, you know that when you will speak like them you will sound
>like them. It is always useful to do your own investigation and qualify
>your statesments based on some evidence. Don't just say what you believe,
>you should be able to reason why you believe it.
I apologise. I will try, insha’allah, not to let it happen again. But may I
please point out that this is not just what I believe. In April of 1974,
there was an International Convention of Muslim Scholars from 124 countries in
Makkah. Ahmadis were unanimously declared to be non-muslims.
>That is what Allah teaches
>you in the Quran when He repeated tell you to Tafakkaroo, meaning think and
>reason. I hope next time you make a wild statement you would care to back
>it up with some evidence.
I hope to post some more stuff in sri soon, insha’allah. In the meantime you
can formulate an explanation for the above-mentioned statements.
In addition, I have a question for you. Do you believe us (i.e. non-Muslims)
to be muslim or kafir? I would be very interested in hearing what you have to
say.
Any mistakes are from me. The truth is from Allah.
Hamza.
PS: I am sorry if I offend you in any way, Dr. Rauf. I have tried to refrain
from putting too many comments in this posting. A lot of it is from your own
books. I would request you to consider the fact that the possibility exists
that you may be following something that is falsehood. May Allah's mercy,
blessings and peace descend upon those who follow the truth. Ameen.
Parvez
May Allah reward you for exposing this Ahmadiyat heresy and the Kufar of
Mirza Ghulam. Indeed, the heresy and Kufar of Ahmadiyat had always been
confronted in SRI by many netters and it did not pass so smoothly as
claimed by Mr. Rauf. He is definitely free to practice his faith but it
is not Islam. It is Kadianism. They should vacate our group and form
their own to discuss Kadianism.
May Allah protect his true deen from Kadianie kafirs.
Wassalam-
Parvez
HK
Ahmad Farid
Hamza Karamali (raf...@pathcom.com) wrote:
As-Salamo Alaikum,
: OK. Here goes. All from the horse’s mouth (i.e. Mirza Ghulam; your
: "prophet").
Firstly, please try to be more considerate, as this is quite offensive.
Although, I do not accept some religions of the world, I would never
refer to the alleged sayings of a religious leader as straight from the
horses mouth, even though I am aware that it is a common term.
Would you not be offended if a Christian referred to a hadith as straight
from the horses mouth ?
Now let us move on to the alleged sayings of Hazrat Ahmad.
: • Holy Prophet Mohammed SAAW did not understand the meaning of Surath
: AlZilzal.
: (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain, vol 3 p.166-167)
I looked this up. There is no mention of this.
Even the name of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) is not mentioned.
This is a complete lie. Please check the sources of your information,
as it is well known that many people say false things about Ahmadi
Muslims.
: • "Quran is God's Book and the words of my mouth."
: (Advertisement dated 15th March 1897)
I could not check this out, as this is not a valid reference.
However, I conclude it is false, because I have read many of Hazrat
Ahmad's books and this is completley uncharacteristic of him, and also I
am an Ahmadi Muslim, and I have never met a single Ahmadi Muslim who
believes this to be true, nor do I believe it to be true.
Ahmadi Muslims believe the Qur'an to be the Word of God, not any humans.
: • "Prophets are liars."
: (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.472)
Again, please check your sources, as this is also a lie.
: • "Hadrath Mohammad's Revelation also turned out to be wrong."
: (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.472)
: • "Hazrath Imam Mahdi will not come."
: (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.378)
Same as above, also note Hazrat Ahmad claimed to be Imam Mahdi, so how is
it that he believed Imam Mahdi would not come ?
Again check the truth of your sources by actually checking out the
alleged quotes.
: • "Revelation did not inform Hazrath Mohammad about Ibne Maryam, Dajjal,
Please check the sources and do not believe everything you read.
I could not be bothered to check every quote as the very first ones I
checked out were completley false and I know many others are false.
If you are interested you should check them out on your own.
Was-Salam
Audil Virk (my opinions)
Dr. Ijaz A. Rauf
raf...@pathcom.com (Hamza Karamali) wrote:
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>> I challenge you to point out one single
>>thing which Ahmadi Muslims have written unIslamic.=20
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>OK. Here goes. All from the horse=92s mouth (i.e. Mirza Ghulam; your=20
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>I got these from:=20
>http://www.nl-marketing.com/netlink/KhatmeNabuwwat/
>You may want to check out the site. And also:
>http://www.nl-marketing.com/netlink/rashid/anti_ahmadiyya.html
So, you did not do your own investigation. You posted what you saw somewh=
ere and=20
you found it quite enlightening. I have deleted all the quotes above for =
bravity=20
but rest assured that I have saved them and will respond, however, at the=
moment=20
I want to establish some understanding and rules for this debate, if I do=
have=20
to enter this debate.
Would you agree with me that the one who fabricates lies against someone =
cannot=20
be truthful?
Would you agree that truth has never fabricated lies against falsehood?
Do you understand Urdu? Can you also read it? (i.e. arabic script)?
>I found them to be quite enlightening.
Would it still be enlightening if I prove to you beyond doubt that whatev=
er was=20
posted by you from these two sites was blunt lie?
>I apologise. I will try, insha=92allah, not to let it happen again. Bu=
t may I=20
>please point out that this is not just what I believe. In April of 1974=
,=20
>there was an International Convention of Muslim Scholars from 124 countr=
ies in=20
>Makkah. Ahmadis were unanimously declared to be non-muslims.
Yes, even in Pakistan, according to the prophecies of the Holy Prophet (P=
BUH).=20
Now, what was the standard Holy Prophet used to declare some one none=20
Muslim? Did these people use the same standard? Have you thought about th=
at?=20
I hope you remember the incident of battle of Badr, where a Sahabi killed=
=20
someone who seeing that he has dominated him and is about to kill him=20
iommediately recited Kalima, do you know what holy prophet (PBUH) said af=
ter=20
hearing the incident? Is that the Islam you practise, which is so much pr=
oned to=20
throughing people out of it than inviting them into it? Who gave these Ul=
emaa=20
the authority to declare Ahmadis out of Islam while the Holy Prophet (PBU=
H)=20
himself did not claim any such authority to declare a Kalima Reciting per=
son=20
Non-Muslim? Have you forgotten the Hadith of Holy Prophet (PBUH) where he=
said=20
his ummah will be devided into 73 sects and all of them will be in fire e=
xcept=20
one. Has any other sect been saparted from the Ummah that unanimously bef=
ore? I=20
am presently prepareing an article on this subject, I urge you to read it=
. I=20
shall Insha-Allah post it as soon as it is finished. However, don't you r=
emember=20
hypocrates of the time of holy prophet (PBUH) about whome Allah himself t=
old=20
that had no faith in their heart not even equal to the grains of rice and=
will=20
not be forgiven even if you pray for them seventy times. Upon repeated pr=
ayers=20
for the forgiveness of these by holy prophet (PBUH), Hadhrat Umar (RA) re=
minded=20
him saying to the effect that 'O prophet of Allah, Allah has himself told=
you=20
that they will not be forgiven even if you pray seventy times for them. A=
nd what=20
a beautiful answer Rehmatul-Lila'alameen gave. I shall pray more than sev=
enty=20
time then. Is that what your ulemaa are practising in Pakistan? They beli=
eve=20
Ahmadi Muslims to be hypocrates, pretending to be muslims, are you and yo=
ur=20
ulemaa praying for their forgiveness day and night or are they too busy i=
n=20
inciting people to kill Ahmadi Muslims, is that not what you khatme nabuw=
wat=20
site doing openly on the internet? Think my brother!! I know you in your=20
innocence and purity of heart believe whatever these corrupt people say b=
ut=20
remember they are wrong and by following them you will be wronging your o=
wn soul=20
and none other.
>>That is what Allah teaches
>>you in the Quran when He repeatedly tells you to Tafakkaroo, meaning th=
ink and
>>reason. I hope next time you make a wild statement you would care to ba=
ck
>>it up with some evidence.
>
>I hope to post some more stuff in sri soon, insha=92allah. In the meant=
ime you=20
>can formulate an explanation for the above-mentioned statements.
I have not formulated an explaination yet, and deleted the statements to =
give=20
you a chance to check those statements and confirm from people you those=20
statements from if all those statement are correct and contain no fabrica=
ted=20
statements. After you have confirmed that all those statements are actual=
ly in=20
the book then I shall not only post a reply to your allegations but also =
put the=20
book in its original text in Urdu (at least the quoted pages) on one of o=
ur web=20
sites so that you can confirm the truth.
>
>In addition, I have a question for you. Do you believe us (i.e. non-Mus=
lims)=20
>to be muslim or kafir? I would be very interested in hearing what you h=
ave to=20
>say.
We believe you to be Muslims and follower of the holy prophet Muhammad (P=
BUH)=20
but you have lost the true path. We believe you to be kafir bil ma'moor, =
meaning=20
those who deny the appointed reformers of the time. Kafir is an arabic wo=
rd=20
which literally translates to the one who denies, rejects etc. Nowhere yo=
u will=20
find any Ahmadi Muslim throughing anyone out of Islam or declaring anyone=
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non-Muslim.
>Any mistakes are from me. The truth is from Allah.
Yes, sure and may Allah enable you to absorb the truth and confirm it. Pl=
ease,=20
answer the questions I have raised above and please confirm that the stat=
ements=20
you have posted with references are all in the books you quoted and I sha=
ll scan=20
the pages you have quoted. And I would also say why don't these people sc=
an=20
those pages and put them on the web after all they have seen the original=
books=20
and translated them in their words, it will be very useful for people to =
read=20
the original and the read the translation and find out how bad Ahmadi Mus=
lims=20
really are. I would urge you to make that request.
>
>Hamza.
>
>PS: I am sorry if I offend you in any way, Dr. Rauf. I have tried to r=
efrain=20
>from putting too many comments in this posting. A lot of it is from you=
r own=20
>books. I would request you to consider the fact that the possibility ex=
ists=20
>that you may be following something that is falsehood. May Allah's mercy=
,=20
>blessings and peace descend upon those who follow the truth. Ameen.
--=20
Dr. Ijaz A. Rauf, Department of Physics, Queen's University, Kingston,
Ontario, CANADA, K7L 3N6. Ph: (613)545-6000 ext.7264, Fax: (613)545-6463
E-mail: Ra...@QUCDN.QueensU.Ca, Ra...@jeff-lab.QueensU.ca
**** Love For All ** Hatred For None **** I Express My Opinions Only ***
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Parvez
Ahmad Farid (3f...@qlink.queensu.ca) wrote:
: Hamza Karamali (raf...@pathcom.com) wrote:
( Advices about checking sources of Mirzzite kufar deleted)
So now here I have checked two things out myself. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed
wrote in his Baraheen-E-Ahmadya (vol. 5), "There is a Sahih Hadith
that 14th century is the last century". My question is where is this
hadith? Do this hadith exists? It doesn't. So Mirza is hell bound and
plan liar. Another thing I want to point out is that Mirza was an
adulterer. I have a copy of Ahmadi publication 'Al Fazal Kadian' (31st
August, 1938) where it is clearly mentioned. However, he was cleared off
by a fantastic Kadianie doctrine that goes on to say 'Prophets can do
some adultery and because Hazrat Mirza Sahib was a friend of Allah, he
is not to be blamed for this. However, we blame our current Khalifa
(referring to Bashir Kadianie) for he is always busy with adultery".
If any Kadianie is willing to challenge this, I am ready. Mail me
personally and also post it in SRI. A third party judge can help to
establish my claim that MIRZA WAS AN ADULTERER AND LIAR.
Hamza Karamali
Mr Virk wrote:
>“Would you not be offended if a Christian referred to a hadith as straight
from the horses mouth ?”
Hmmm, I wonder what Mr. Ghulam had to say about hadith?
"The basis for my claim is not Hadith but Quran and that Wahi which comes to
us. Yes, in support, we also present those Hadith which are according to Quran
and does not contradict my WAHI. Other HAdiths we throw them away like a WASTE
PAPER." (Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.140)
No comment.
>“Now let us move on to the alleged sayings of Hazrat Ahmad.
>
>: • Holy Prophet Mohammed SAAW did not understand the meaning of Surath
>: AlZilzal.
>: (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain, vol 3 p.166-167)
>
>I looked this up. There is no mention of this.
>Even the name of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) is not mentioned.
>This is a complete lie. Please check the sources of your information,
>as it is well known that many people say false things about Ahmadi
>Muslims.”
As you may have read from my reply to Dr Rauf, I’ve been in contact with Br.
Rashid. Your reply had me shocked for a while but after some correspondence
with him, I was able to straighten things out, alhumdulillah. Here is a
fuller transcript of the preceding statement:
"God is giving a gladtiding in Surah AlZilzal and with the words 'Iza
zulzelat' there is an indication that when you see these signs then
understand that The Night of Power has reappeared with full force and some
God's Reformer has appeared from God alongwith angels of Hidayat..[surat
alzilzal arabic text deleted]...as he says that those days when in the end
some Grand Reformer will come from God, and angels will descend, this will be
the sign that earth would have been shaken..........then God has sent my
humble self.....The literal explanation that our scholars have given for Surat
AlZIlzal that in fact in the final days earth will experience severe
earthquake and it will be such an earthquake that that the whole earth will
bcome upside down and whatever is inside will come out and humans that is
Kafir will ask
it what has happened to you; then tha day earth will talk and will relate
all its condition. This is absolutely wrong tafseer.....if you think...in
this place earth means the hearts of humans and his inner self...moreover
the appearence of Spiritual Instructors and along with them the coming of
angels is a spiritual Qiyamat....thus if you consider Surah Zilzal as a sign
of Qiyamah, then no doubt such a period is a spiritual type of Qiyamah, God's
assigned persons come in the form of Qiyamah"
(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol.3 pp .161-169)
i.e. all the references to this sura in the hadith books of Tirmidhi and
Muslim are wrong. i.e. Mirza Ghulam knew the meaning of the sura but the
prophet Muhammad (saw) didn’t (astaghfirullah).
Once again, please note that page numbers may differ slightly due to different
editions or confusions on your part. If you fail to find the above at all, I
am sure that I will be able to have a copy of the page faxed to you.
>“: • "Quran is God's Book and the words of my mouth."
>: (Advertisement dated 15th March 1897)
>
>I could not check this out, as this is not a valid reference.
>However, I conclude it is false, because I have read many of Hazrat
>Ahmad's books and this is completley uncharacteristic of him, and also I
>am an Ahmadi Muslim, and I have never met a single Ahmadi Muslim who
>believes this to be true, nor do I believe it to be true.
If it is proved true, will you reject Ahmadiyyism?? Please reply.
>Ahmadi Muslims believe the Qur'an to be the Word of God, not any humans.”
There are 3 volumes of Collection of Advertisements by Mirza Ghulam, printed
by the Ahmadi printing press in Islamabad in UK. These words are mentioned in
volume 2 page 359. Same words are also quoted in Mirza's Book called
Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol.22 p.87. I think this is quite
reliable.
>“: • "Prophets are liars."
>: (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.472)
>
>Again, please check your sources, as this is also a lie.”
I don’t think so. Would you like a copy of the page sent to you?
[stuff deleted, the incriminating quotes can be obtained from the sites below]
: http://www.nl-marketing.com/netlink/KhatmeNabuwwat/
: http://www.nl-marketing.com/netlink/rashid/anti_ahmadiyya.html
>“Please check the sources and do not believe everything you read.
>I could not be bothered to check every quote as the very first ones I
>checked out were completley false and I know many others are false.”
They were not false. They were true. I would request you to go back and read
through the whole of your ‘revelation’ a few times. If you look, you will
find them all. Even the ones that you chose not check out (I wonder why? :-)
).
>“If you are interested you should check them out on your own.”
I understand that copies of Roohani Khazain are virtually impossible to get a
hold of (I wonder why? :-) ). Could you direct me to somewhere where I could
buy them at a reasonable price?
Just a few closing words.
Your denial of the existence of these statements tells me that you do not like
what is being said. I can understand that. What I will not be able to
understand is how it is possible for someone to go on following something that
disgusts them. Look, Mr Virk, I’m not ‘out to get you’. I’m not ‘out to
prove you wrong’. My intention is to make it clear to people who may not be
aware of the truth of the the Ahmadiyya Movement. I also hope that perhaps
some of this may touch your mind and heart and make you realise that you are
following falsehood. THINK, and you will see that Mr. Ghulam was not what he
claimed to be.
Any mistakes are from me. The truth is from Allah.
Hamza.
Haroon Rashid
ALL MUSLIMS BEWARE,
AHMADIYYAS ARE NOT MUSLIMS !!!
A muslim is a follower of prophet Muhammed(pbuh). Ahmadiyyas do not
follow the prophet Muhamed . Instead they follow someone else.
Be wary of anything they have to say .
Haroon
Feroz
Haroon Rashid <scrr...@reading.ac.uk> wrote:
>A muslim is a follower of prophet Muhammed(pbuh). Ahmadiyyas do not
>follow the prophet Muhamed .
A Muslim is a follower of the words of GOD, the Quran. Is the writer
suggesting that all submitters to the will of GOD from all period of
time are not Muslims?
Feroz
GOD Alone Please
Haroon Rashid
I think that you'll find that you are indeed wrong and your dyslexia is
getting worse. Islam is submission to Allah, all the people from times
gone by who submitted to Allah were practising islam. They were not
muslims by definition as muslims are perceived at the present time.
I would also like to add that you should know by now that all muslims
believe in god and the Quran.
Haroon