Ali, Fatima, Al-Hassan, Al-Hussain are Ahlel-bait
Ali Atie
assalam alaikum,
Mr.Mirza writes:
> In the first two parts of this series we concluded the following:
> 1) From Quranic commandment, the address is directed to the wives
> and children of Prophet(saw).
A comparison is made between the wives and Ahlel-bait,
the wives are threatened:
O wives of the prophet! whoever of you commits an open
indecency, the punishment shall be increased to her doubly;
and this IS easy to Allah.(33:30)
while Ahlel-bait are purified.
Allah only wants to keep away the uncleanness
from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a
(thorough) purifying. (33:33)
> 2) From the ahadiths of Prophet(saw), an extension is made to
> include Ali, Fatimah and their two sons in his households.
> i) Anything which has been clearly stated in Quran cannot be
> contradicted on the basis of a hadith.
What is clear is that Allah(SWT) talked about the wives, and after that
He(SWT) said (in a comparison) that He(SWT) purifies Ahlel-bait. Here,
we need to refer to Hadiths to know who Ahlel-bait.
The Hadiths i mentioned from Sunni Sihah exclude the wives from
Ahlel-bait. Umm Salama and Aisha themselves testified that they were
excluded.
The Prophet(sAaas) was used to gather Ali(as), Fatima(as), Al-Hassan(as)
and Al-Hussain(as) exclusively and then said that those are Ahl-baity.
> " Allah only intends to remove uncleanness from you and purify
> you completely"
> that 'Ali and Fatimah and their children are infallibale like the
> Prophets of Allah. They say that "uncleanness" implies error and
> sin, and, as Allah says, these ahl al-bait have been purified of
> this.
Allah(SWT) says that uncleanness (rijs) implies error and sin:
"O you who believe! INTOXICANTS and GAMES OF CHANCE and
(sacrificing to) STONES set up and (dividing by) ARROWS are only an
UNCLEANNESS, the Shaitan's work; shun it therefore that you may
be successful." (5:90)
And you say the opposite.
>there is no reason why all the Muslims who perform their ablutions
>before offering the Prayers are not held as infallible, because
>about them also Allah says:
> " But Allah wills to purify you and complete His blessings
> upon you." (Al-Maidah: 6)
"O you who believe! when you rise up to PRAYER, WASH your
faces and your hands as far as the elbows, and WIPE your heads
and your feet to the ankles; and if you are under an obligation to
perform a total ablution, then wash (yourselves) and if you are
sick or on a journey, or one of you come from the privy, or you
have touched the women, and you cannot find water, betake
yourselves to pure earth and wipe your faces and your hands
therewith, Allah does not desire to put on you any difficulty, but
He wishes to purify you and that He may complete His favor on
you, so that you may be grateful." (5:6)
"None shall touch it (the Qur'an) save the purified ones" (56:79).
The word "purify" here means purified of HADATH (like SLEEP, PIPI, CACA, ..)
and not of RIJS (UNCLEANESS, SINS, Shaitan's work) like in the previous verse.
It s known by all muslims, that before touching the Allah's word (Qur'an)
or going to Prayers, he should have been (Mutawade') i.e. purified of HADATH or
NAJASA.
>This is an example of not following the Quran but trying to make
>Quran follow ones own desires. This is the worst thing which can
>happen to any individual or a group.
I thought that we now know who was trying to make the Quran following
his own desires.
I remind you Mr. Mirza that i replied to all your questions and accusations
so it is worthless to repost my replies, if you are interested see previous
postings.
Osama Al-Shaykh-Yousef
>A comparison is made between the wives and Ahlel-bait,
>the wives are threatened:
> O wives of the prophet! whoever of you commits an open
> indecency, the punishment shall be increased to her doubly;
> and this IS easy to Allah.(33:30)
>while Ahlel-bait are purified.
> Allah only wants to keep away the uncleanness
> from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a
> (thorough) purifying. (33:33)
I would like you to translate the whole Aayyeh (33:33) Where Allah (SWT)
is referring to all Ahl-Albayt and tells the wives of Rassoulo Allah (SAAWS)
to do the good deeds he ordered them and all muslims including Ahl-Albayt.
And they are included for the part of Aayyeh you are referring to.
When translating Qura'n we should be careful to translate everything and
all close relevances in the Surah, not according to a point we want to
prove. Not to make it like "Waylon lil mussallein" which should be
followed by "Allatheen hum an salatehim sahoon". Which is in english
Curse waiting for prayers who miss their prayers.
Finally I would remention this, What muslims will benefit now from this
discussion, Can you brothers tell me, I think I am living in other
century may be first Hejri!!.
For Khalifah and Parliament Allah said in the Qura'n:
"Wa amruhum Shoura Baynahum"
Which can be translated to that the muslims deal in their matters in
democracy.
And Allah said:
"Innama Umatukum Ummatun Wahidah Wa Ana RAbukum fa'bodoun"
Your nation is one nation and Allah is you god so worship him.Your nation is one nation and Allah is you god so worship him.
And Rassoulo Allahi said :
No difference between Arabs and non Arabs, Blacks, Whites. and the only
difference is Taqwa.
So I believe all muslims are equal including Ahl-Albayt in front of
Islamic law, duties and rights and Allah said that in the Qur'an. So the
Khalifah is the best among muslims.
Osama K. AL-Shaykh
Mercenary Programmer
> I would like you to translate the whole Aayyeh (33:33) Where Allah (SWT)
>is referring to all Ahl-Albayt and tells the wives of Rassoulo Allah (SAAWS)
>to do the good deeds he ordered them and all muslims including Ahl-Albayt.
Just a side point that I would like to make, which seems to be of
extreme importance to me. I think it is of especial importance while
quoting from the Quran to at least give a translation of all of the
Ayah that one is giving a reference from, and possibly even the Ayahs
preceding and succeeding. The reason for this is that even with
ordinary texts it is quite easy to quote out of context, or to miss
the context. With a text that is as marvellously complicated as the
Quran the danger is multiplied manyfold, and that is something that
should be avoided at all costs.
Salam Alekum,
Basalat Ali Raja.
M. Kafkasli
>
> I would like you to translate the whole Aayyeh (33:33) Where Allah (SWT)
>is referring to all Ahl-Albayt and tells the wives of Rassoulo Allah (SAAWS)
>to do the good deeds he ordered them and all muslims including Ahl-Albayt.
>And they are included for the part of Aayyeh you are referring to.
>When translating Qura'n we should be careful to translate everything and
>all close relevances in the Surah, not according to a point we want to
>prove.
I agree. That is why I would like to point out the translation below:
[lines deleted]
>For Khalifah and Parliament Allah said in the Qura'n:
>"Wa amruhum Shoura Baynahum"
>Which can be translated to that the muslims deal in their matters in
>democracy.
How can you translate the word "shoura" as "democracy"? You should keep
in mind that not everybody reading this newsgroup can speak and
understand in Arabic. (including me, I know very little arabic)
Shoura <> democracy. I will not give the historical development of
democracy, nor the meaning given in a dictionary. My point is they are
different and we must be very carefull in translation since otherwise
we may be fabricating lies to Allah (SWT).
May Allah forgive us.
Assalaimu aleykum,
M.K.
Syed Ahmed
Is it halal to eat food that has mono and diglycerides in it ?
My question relates to the fact that if mono and diglycerides are
derived from pig/swine then all food that contains these are not
halal.
Could someone enlighten me on this please.
Waassalaam.
Syed Ahmed.
Ekrem Saban
Assalaamu ~alaikum,
Is it halal to eat cheese which has been made using acids from an
animal which was slaughtered not in the Islamic way?
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Imtiaz Shaik
Assalaamualykum
As far as I know mono and diglycerides are derived from animal source.
Same is the case with Lecithin (spelling?). If it is not from animal
source, it will be clearly stated in the ingredient listing that it is
VEGETABLE MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, and SOY LECITHIN. For example, the
bread sold by 'Maiers' has vegetable mono and diglycerides. Similarly
other products, (probably, bakery stuff, cakes, cookies, etc., from
'nthamans' and some other (jewish?) companies) use soy lecithin and
vegetable glycerides.
And naturally if any thing is derived from swine it is not halal!!
May Allah SWT feed all muslims with HALAL food, so that our prayers
are accepted.
May be some other brothers and sisters knowledgeable about this issue
can shed more light.
Wassalam
Imtiaz Shaik
Jamal Mubarak
Monoglycerides and diglycerides are breakdown products of fatty acids.
When fat is mobilized from peripheral tissues for energy purposes it
goes into the blood stream as fatty acids. When fat is eaten it is
broken down to mono- and diglycerides in the intestines. Unless this
is done, it cannot be absorbed. So it does not matter whether the
food in question contains mono- and diglycerides but what is the origin
of these breakdown products of fat.
>Waassalaam.
Wassalaam,
>Syed Ahmed.
Jamal Mubarak, MD
Sharaaz K. Khan
In article <7018...@macbeth.cs.duke.edu> ahm...@gassendi.samsung.com (Syed Ahmed) writes:
This article was posted by the M.S.A. last year. I think that it is time
that it is posted for the second time. If anyone has an updated list,
please post it. Br. Syed, I hope that this will help.
Jazak Allah khairan
Sharaaz Khan
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>From m...@eleceng.ee.queensu.ca Fri Nov 8 19:18:40 1991
Subject: * List of Ingredients *
.................M.S.A..Net........M.S.A..Net..................
INFORMATION ABOUT INGREDIENTS ON FOODS,
TOOTHPASTE, SOAP ETC.
=======================================
Date: 21 February 1990
*** INTRODUCTION ***
______________________
The following information was extracted from the Muslim Consumer Guide
(which was published in the newsletter of MSA Ann Arbor, Jan-Feb. 90),
then was posted by Muhammad B. Setiawan (Dept. of Eng. Physics McMaster
University), and finally collected, edited and distributed by MSA of
the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg.
We hope that it be of great use to you and that you will read the
ingredient on every product before you make your purchase. If in
doubt, you may write to the company, they have been very helpful
in provinding the requested information.
*** CONSULTATION OF COMPANIES ***
___________________________________
Here are the results of consultations done by MSA with various food
companies. No particular questions were asked on products that may
contain alcohol.
1. L.D.Schrieber Cheese Company:
No shortening, lard, gelatin or lecithin used.
Cow products are used = Good
2. Burger King Corp.:
Shortening used is from swine = BAD. Lard is used in buns and apple
pie = BAD. Lecithin is used in buns = BAD/GOOD because you are not
sure. Shakes = GOOD
3. General Foods :
Lard is used on SWAN DOWN cake mixes. Gelatin (from collagen-bearing
tissues on any animal) is used in many products including Jell-O Brand
Gelatin Desert = BAD
4. Knox Gelatin Inc. :
"Knox Gelatin is prepared from the protein collagen, which is extracted
from either beef (bones and skin) or PORK (skins)" = BAD
5. American Lecithin Company :
"Our Lecithin is derived from Soybeans and is sold under the trade name
Alcoles" = GOOD
6. Nestle :
A list was sent to MSA confirming that their products do not contain
any animal by-product. Lechithin used in their products is derived
from Soybeans = GOOD
7. General Mills Inc.:
Shortening similar to lard is used, also Soya lechithin is used = BAD
(because it does not say Soya or lard and you don't know so it is
better to avoid).
8. Quaker Oats :
Soyabeans Lecithin is used. Shortening used is from Swine. Some of
the products are MAsa Trigo, Flako pie crust and cup cake mix.
_________________________________________________________________________
*** SEVERAL TERMS ***
_______________________
A. Derived from pork or other animals:
1. bacon
2. ham
3. sausage
4. lard
5. fat
6. gelatin
7. shortening (animal).
B. Avoid - doubtful (may be derived from animal or vegetable):
1. lechitin
2. emulsifier
3. dough conditioners
4. mono and diglyceriders
5. enzymes or rennet in cheese
C. You can use - Good:
1. soyolecithin
2. soybean lecithin
3. vegetable lecithin
4. vegetable shortening
5. vegetable mono and diglyceriders
6. vegetable enzimes or rennetless cheese.
7. fish
D. Avoid - may contain alcohol
1. Artificial and imitation extracts and flavorings
E. When you see these letters :
"U" or "K" they may mean that the produce does not contain
anything from an animal.
_________________________________________________________________________
*** MISCELLANEOUS FOOD ITEMS ***
=========================================================================
Manufacturer Brand Coagulant Use
=========================================================================
Kellog Co. Frosted Pop-tarts Type-B gelatin
(from veal/beef) Good
Unfrosted Pop-tarts No gelatin Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Frank Foods QT Frosting Mix Vegetable fat Good
_________________________________________________________________________
General Mills Inc. Ready-to-spread Vegetable fat
Frosting and/or Lard BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
Proctor & Gamble Duncan Hines Cake Mix Vegetable fat Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Great Atlantic & A & P Creamer Coconut & Palm
Pacific Co. Oil Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Topco Assoc. Inc. Food Club Non Dairy
Creamer Vegetable fat Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Penn Maid Food Inc. Natural Yogurt No gelatin Good
Swiss Yogurt Gelatin from
calf skin Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Jolly Rancher Candies Palm & Coconut
Oil Good
_________________________________________________________________________
M & M Co. Starburst Fruit Gelatin from
Chews Lard BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
American Home Foods Crunch 'n Munch Vegetable fat Good
_________________________________________________________________________
*** BREAD AND PASTRY ***
=========================================================================
Vendor Product Ingredients Use
=========================================================================
Drake Bakeries Div.
of Borden Foods Inc. Honey bun Lard BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
Entenmans All Products Vegetable Shortening Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Giants Goods Bread Vegetable Shortening Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Huber Baking Co. Bakers
of sunshine Bread Roman Meal Bread Soybean Salad Oil Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Keebler All Products Vegetable Shortening,
Oleo and Lard BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
Nabisco All products Lard BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
Pepperidge Farm Rolls, Bread,
Butter or Cakes Vegetable Shortening Good
_________________________________________________
Layer Cakes NOTE: even though this cake
is made with good shortening the
GELATIN USED is made from PIGSKIN BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
Pillsbury Co. 1896 Brand Butter
milk Biscuit Vegetable shortening Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Stroehmann Brothers Co Hilibilly Bread;
White Bread Lard BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
Sunshine Biscuit Co. All Products Vegetable shortening Good
_________________________________________________________________________
*** ICE CREAM ***
=========================================================================
MANUFACTURER PRODUCT USE
=========================================================================
Baskin Robbins Ice Cream Good
Sherberts Good
Water ice Good
Baskin Robbins Ice cream and those flavors
containing miget marshmallow BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
Pensupreme Ice Cream BAD
Pensupreme Schraff Ice Cream (available at Safeway) Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Meadow Gold Ice Cream Good
Meadow Gold Louis Sherry Ice Cream (all Natural) Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Abbotts Ice Cream Good
Sherberts Good
Water Ice Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Pantry Price Ice Cream Good
Breyers Ice Cream Good
_________________________________________________________________________
*** CHEWING GUM ***
=========================================================================
Manufacturer Products Ingredients Use
=========================================================================
Dynamint Co. Dynamints Candelilla Wax Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Wrigley's Co. Chewing gum 100% Mineral or
Vegetable Base Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Warner Lambert Co. Chewing Gum Vegetable Base Good
Chicklets Vegetable Base Good
Dentyne Vegetable Base Good
Trident Vegetable Base Good
Freshen Up Vegetable Base Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Beach-Nut Chewing Gum Glcerl Monosterate
or Ester of Gum
from any animal fat Bad
_________________________________________________________________________
*** FROZEN PIZZA PIES ***
=========================================================================
Brand Cheese Coagulant Use
=========================================================================
Jan's Mozzarella Vegetable Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Buitoni Mozzarella Vegetable Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Little Chef Mozzarella Vegetable Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Ellio's Cheddar Swine pepsin BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
Quaker Celeste Mozzarella Swine pepsin BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
*** PIZZA RESTAURANTS ***
=========================================================================
RESTAURANT FOOD CHEESE INGREDIENT USE
=========================================================================
Pizza Hut Pizzas Mozzarella Vegetable Good
_________________________________________________________________________
*** CHEESE ***
=========================================================================
Manufacturer Brand Coagulant Use
=========================================================================
Purity Company Muenster Vegetable Good
Caraway Muenster Vegetable Good
Monterey Jack Muenster
(w/hot pepper) Vegetable Good
Farmers Cheese Vegetable Good
Burie (imported) Vegetable Good
Camembert Vegetable Good
Romano Vegetable Good
Parmesan Vegetable Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Clearfield Natural Cheese Kosher
Bland Calf Rennet Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Kraft Philadelpia Cream Lactic acid Good
Whipped Cream Cheese Lactic acid Good
Neufchatel Lactic acid Good
_________________________________________________________________________
McCadm Co. New York State Calf & Swine
Rennet BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
Framageries Bal. Inc. Cheese Calf Rennet Good
_________________________________________________________________________
World Cheese Col Migdal American Vegetable Good
Haolam Vegetable Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Schanling Col Schnall American
(individually wrapped) Vegetable Good
Schnall Muenster sliced Vegetable Good
Schnall Mozzarella Vegetable Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Clay Butter Co. Miller's Cheese Vegetable Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Note: Calf (Plural=calves): a young cow or bull.
*** COSMETICS ***
=========================================================================
Company Products Ingredients Use
=========================================================================
Avon All products Petrochemicals Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Wella Corp. Balsam products Petrochemicals Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Johnson Products Inc. Ultra Sheen Lanolin Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Lustrasilk Corp. Scalp Cream Lanolin Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Westwood Pharmaceut Keri Lotion Synthetic chemicals Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Chesebrough-Ponds Inc. Vaseline Intensive
Lotion Lard BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
*** SOAP ***
=========================================================================
Manufacturer Products Ingredients Use
=========================================================================
Proctor & Gamble Co. Kirk's Coso Coconut Oil Good
Hardwater Castile
*Ivory Beef&Pork Tallow Bad
*Camay Beef&Pork Tallow Bad
*Safe Guard Beef&Pork Tallow Bad
*Zest Beef&Pork Tallow Bad
*Coast Beef&Pork Tallow Bad
*Lava Vegetable Fat Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Lever Brothers Co. *Lux Beef Tallow Good
*Lifebuoy Beef Tallow Good
*Phase II Beef Tallow Good
*Dove Beef Tallow Good
*Caress Beef Tallow Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Colgate Palmolive Co. *Palmolive Beef&Pork Tallow Bad
*Cashmere Beef&Pork Tallow Bad
_________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Jergen Co. *Jergens Beef Tallow Good
*Woodbury Beef Tallow Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Armour Dial Inc. *Dial Beef Tallow Good
*Tone Beef Tallow Good
*Irish Spring Pork Tallow Bad
_________________________________________________________________________
Amway Corporation All Bar Soaps Pork Tallow Bad
Nevia Creams Sheep's Skin/Fat Good
_________________________________________________________________________
*Note : The beef that is obtained for the products is not slaughtered
Islamically; hence, it is still doubtful.
*** TOOTHPASTE ***
=========================================================================
Manufacturer Products Ingredients Use
=========================================================================
Lever Brothers Co. Pepsodents Vegetable Fat Good
Close-Up Vegetable Fat Good
* Aim Vegetable Fat Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Colgate Palmolive Co. Ultra Brite Lard BAD
Colgate Paste Lard BAD
Colgate Powder Lard BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
Vicks Chemical Co. Fix-A-Dent Vegetable Fat Good
_________________________________________________________________________
*Note : Contains alcohol; still in doubt about its use.
*** DISINFECTANT ***
=========================================================================
Manufacturer Brand Coagulant Use
=========================================================================
Lehn & Fink Products
Lyson Brand All products Synthetic Chemicals Good
_________________________________________________________________________
*** POT CLEANERS ***
=========================================================================
Manufacturer Brand Product Ingredient Use
=========================================================================
GM Co. Rescue 11 Soap pads Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Purex Corporation Brillo Soap pads Lard BAD
___________________________________________
Supreme Steel
Wool Balls Good
___________________________________________
Kosher Soap
(packaged 2 ea.
pink & green
bars per carton) Beef Tallow Good
___________________________________________
Dobie Pads Beef Tallow Good
_________________________________________________________________________
Miles Laboratory S.O.S Soap Pads Lard BAD
______________________________________________________
Tuffy Plastic Mesh
Balls Lard BAD
_________________________________________________________________________
Abul Lais M S Haque
I fully agree with you regarding regarding mono and diglycerides
and Lecithin. And that is the information I got from various
sources. But a large number of people, in particular the Arabs
do not care about these ingredients. The response I got from
them was as follows. The source of Lecithin, for example, may
be from vagetable or from animal. But you are not sure whether
it is from vegetable or animal. So according to a hadith you
consider it vegetable and can eat.
The same logic goes for the meat of the Christians. Muslims are
required to eat only those meat whose animal was slaughtered in
the name of Allah. But according to the Qur'an the food of the
people of the book is halal for us. Noe there are two theories:
(i) If you are not sure that the name of Allah was mentioned at
the time of slaughter then according to a hadith you simply say
Bismillah and then eat. (ii) The meat of the Christians are
unconditionally halal for us (as proclaimed by Allah in the
Qur'an).
Abul L. Haque