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IDIOT'S GUIDE TO CODE 19

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Jan 16, 2007, 12:43:38 AM1/16/07

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IDIOT'S GUIDE TO CODE 19

Although the title of this article may sound strange for some, it is
based on a popular series of best-selling educational books. Those books
teach disciplines like computer programming to people who don't know
much about computer programming. The reason for the books' popularity
despite their rude title is that they use laymen terms and simplify
information so that people without much knowledge in the subject matter
can quickly learn it. Thus, those Idiot's Guide books try to efficiently
bridge the gap between the subject matter experts and people who know
little about the subject.

In the case of the so-called Quranic Code 19, the claim is made by its
promoters that it is a "mathematical miracle". However, what is
noticeable is that mathematicians who are the subject matter experts
have not been flocking in droves to believe in and promote this
"mathematical miracle". I personally, haven't heard of any mathematician
or statistician who has declared his or her belief in this
"mathematical" miracle. On the other hand, it is people who are not
subject matter experts in mathematics who have been making such
"miraculous mathematical" findings and promoting them. One would have
expected the converse. Thus, it can be observed that there seems to be a
gap between the subject matter experts and people who know little about
the subject and this is what this "idiot's guide" will try to bridge, if
The God willed.

Let's start with the most common misconception. Most people who believe
and promote a "mathematical" miracle think that mathematics is an
objective science that can't be wrong. In keeping with the spirit of
this article's emphasis on ease, I will try to use terms and examples
that can be understood even by people who don't know anything about
mathematics to dispel this major misconception.

Let us take a simple example:

1+1=2

Is this basic mathematical calculation never wrong?

No, it can be wrong. For example, incorrectly applying the above
mathematical tool might lead to wrong answers such as the following:

1 apple + 1 orange = 2 apples

To correctly apply mathematics, the first thing we need to define is the
data set that we are counting. Are we counting apples, oranges or
something else?

If we decide that we are counting apples, then we have to count just
apples.

Once we define our data set then we need to apply a consistent standard
methodology to perform the count. For example, what do we do about
rotten apples? Do we count them, do we throw them away or do we count
each as half an apple?

Once we decide on a methodology then we can't change it for different
apple baskets. For example, we cannot disregard the rotten apples in
some baskets and count them in others. This would lead to wrong results.

Surprisingly, this is all we really need to understand about mathematics
to evaluate Code 19. So let's recap those two simple yet important
principles:
1. Clearly define the data set.
2. Use a standard methodology consistently.

Although those well known principles are simple and straightforward,
they are often the first to be violated by phony "mathematicians". They
are also the first principles to be overlooked by those who the phony
"mathematicians" deceive. Thus, you will never find a real mathematician
amongst those two groups.

CLEAR DEFINITION OF THE DATA SET

As far as the so-called Code 19, defining the data set is very simple.
If the data set the Hafs version of the great reading, then only the
Hafs version should be used. One cannot go back and forth and use
another version when the counts that one is looking for don't add up. If
one uses another version, then that version must be used for all the
counts and the Hafs version must be disregarded. One cannot mix and
match as he or she pleases because this would be forcing a fit on the
data into a preconceived result. Hence, if proponents of Code 19 decide
to use the Tashkent copy for something, they must use it for all the
counts and not just for fixing the count of the letter "Sin" to match a
result that they want. They also can't make any modification to the data
set it to reach the count that they want.

STANDARD METHODOLOGY

Here again, proponents of Code 19 constantly violate the basic
requirement for using one standard methodology. The basis of the entire
Code 19 is the counting of the letters in allegedly "initialed"
chapters. Here are some of the various inconsistent methodologies that
they use a mixture of in order to get the result that they want:

1. (a) Count each "initial" individually in each chapter where it
occurs, (b) add up the count for each initial for all chapters where it
occurs and (c) divide the total by 19.

2. (a) Count the occurrences of all "initial(s)" in the chapter where
they occur, (b) add up the count for the chapter and (c) divide the
total by 19.

3. (a) Count only the initials in chapters with exactly the same set of
initials, (b) add up the count for each set of initials for all chapters
where they occur and (c) divide the total by 19.

4. (a) Count all the initials in chapters with at least one common
intersecting letter, (b) add up the count for all the chapters and (c)
divide the total by 19.

The above are the basic methods used by Dr. Khalifa. In addition to the
above four methods, there are a variety of other methods that are more
complex and hence more prone to disregard of the above two principles.
Basically, if promoters of Code 19 can't respect the above two
principles for even the simple methods then we can be sure that they
won't respect them for the more complicated methods.

APPLYING A STANDARD METHODOLOGY TO THE DATA SET

Application is where the two principles must be integrated. Hence, any
tampering with the data set automatically invalidates the results. Now
applying each of the above methods consistently and without mixing and
matching between them to get a desired result, what do we get?

I will use the original "discoverer" of this supposed code, Dr. Rashad
Khalifa, own counts for all the methods and give the result with and
without tampering with the data set.

METHOD 1

(a) Count each "initial" individually in each chapter where it occurs,
(b) add up the count for each initial for all chapters where it occurs
and (c) divide the total by 19.

Even using Dr. Khalifa's own numbers, we get only 3 out of the 14
initials having a 19 divisible total according to the above method. They
are Qaf, Sad, and Noon.

However, Code 19 promoters had to tamper with the data set to get at the
count of the Sad. They changed from the "7afs" data set to the Tashkent
data set for just one letter and not for all of them. They also had to
tamper with the data set and changed the Noon by spelling it out. Hence,
this invalidates the "Sad" and "Noon" results and we actually get only 1
out of the 14 initials as divisible by 19. Given that 1 out of every 19
numbers is divisible by 19 anyway, certainly 1 out of 14 is within the
bounds of reasonable random occurrence.

As an interesting side note, the promoters of Code-19 never consider
that by spelling the Noun out as Noon Waw Noon they now have 15 and not
14 initials because of the added Waw. They are conveniently silent on
what they are doing with the Waw because it messes up many of their
other counts.

METHOD 2

(a) Count the occurrences of all "initial(s)" in the chapter where they
occur, (b) add up the count for each chapter and (c) divide the total by
19.

Again, using Dr. Khalifa's numbers, we get 17 out of 29 Chapters that
have 19 divisible totals.

However, this is misleading because, for example, the data set is
heavily tampered with in order to get at each of the "Alif" counts.
This automatically invalidates any results involving the "Alif". Out of
the 16 Chapters, 13 have "Alif". Also, the tampering with the "Noon"
invalidates Chapter 68. Thus, we are left with 3 out of 29 chapters that
have a 19 divisible total. Those are Chapters 19, 36, and 50. Although 3
out of 29 is slightly better than the 1 out of 14 we got with Method 1,
it is still within the realm of reasonable random occurrence, certainly
nothing that would suggest a "miracle" by any measure.

METHOD 3

(a) Count only the initials in multiple chapters with exactly the same
set of initials, (b) add up the count for each set of initials for all
chapters where they occur and (c) divide the total by 19.

Using this method with Dr. Khalifa's counts, the "Alif Lam Ra" and "Alif
Lam Mim" results are divisible by 19.

However, as we saw earlier, the count of "Alif" has been heavily
tampered with in the data set to get the desired results and hence "Alif
Lam Ra" and "Alif Lam Mim" results are invalid.

As for "7a Mim", promoters of Code 19 had to change the method to allow
the counting of Chapter 42 with the other "7a Mim" "initialed" Chapters.
This despite Chapter 42 having "7a Mim" and "3in Sin Qaf" and hence
doesn't have exactly the same set of initials but has an intersecting
set that intersects in the two letters "7a" and "Mim". This means that
they had to switch from method 3 to method 4 in the middle of the
process in order to get the desired count. Thus, they violated the
second basic principle above.

METHOD 4

(a) Count all the initials in chapters with at least one common
intersecting letter, (b) add up the count for all the chapters and (c)
divide the total by 19.

Using this method and even using Dr. Khalifa's numbers, none of the
results are divisible by 19.

In order to get a 19 divisible count, promoters of Code 19 had to tweak
method #4 above as follows, let's call it method #4.1:

4.1 (a) Count all the initials in chapters with at least one common
denominator but leave out all the chapters that mess up the result that
we are trying to get, (b) add up the count for all the chapters we
selected and (c) divide the total by 19.

Thus, in their counts for initials "Ta", "Ha", "Sin" and "Mim", they
count Chapters 19, 20, 26, 27, and 28 but leave out most of the chapters
that have intersection with "Mim" (2, 3, 7, 13, etc.) and they leave
out some of the chapters that have an intersection with "Sin" (36 and
42).

SUMMARY OF RESULTS

As we saw, even for those basic simple counts promoters of Code 19 make
extensive use of manipulation of the data set and constant shifting of
the method of counting. Method 2 gives the best result for Code 19
promoters. Using this method, 3 out of the 29 Chapters have 19 divisible
counts. Of course, as we saw, given the natural probability of 1 out of
every 19 numbers being divisible by 19, 3 out of 29 is within the realm
of natural random occurrence. Certainly, there is nothing there that
even remotely suggests a "mathematical miracle".

CONCLUSION

In conclusion, here is Dr. Khalifa's translation of 74:31:

KHALIFA:
74: 31. We appointed angels to be guardians of Hell, and we assigned
their number (19) (1) to disturb the disbelievers, (2) to convince the
Christians and Jews (that this is a divine scripture), (3) to strengthen
the faith of the faithful, (4) to remove all traces of doubt from the
hearts of Christians, Jews, as well as the believers, and (5) to expose
those who harbor doubt in their hearts, and the disbelievers; they will
say, "What did GOD mean by this allegory?" GOD thus sends astray
whomever He wills, and guides whomever He wills. None knows the soldiers
of your Lord except He. This is a reminder for the people.

There are at least three problems with the above translation:

Firstly, the noun "fitna" describing the count of 19 was neglected and
left out of the translation and instead the verb "disturb", which
doesn't occur at all in the sentence, is inserted.

It is ironic that the promoters of Code-19 present their "miracle" as
scientific mathematical proof. As I was seeing how they subtly
manipulate the data set and quickly switch between methods, it didn't
feel like a scientific endeavor and it felt more and more like being in
the circus watching a magician doing tricks. However, in this case,
Code-19 promoters accepted the tricks and believed in them. This
reminded me of 2:101-102:

2:101-102. And when there came to them a messenger from The God,
confirming what was with them, a party of the people of the book threw
away the book of The God behind their backs, as if they did not know.
And they followed what the devils recite regarding Solomon's kingship.
Solomon did not reject, but the devils rejected by teaching people eye
trickery and what was descended on the two kings Harut and Marut at
Babylon. They do not teach anyone until they say: "We are but a
"fitna"/trial/affliction, so do not reject". So they learn from them
what they separate with between the person and his mate, and they are
not harming with it anyone except with The God's permission. And they
learn what harms them and does not benefit them, and they have known
that for who accepted it, there is no share of happiness in the ending,
and miserable indeed is what they exchanged with themselves, had they
knew.

Those who teach eye trickery are described as a "fitna"/test/affliction
exactly like the count of 19 is described as a "fitna"/trial/affliction
in 74:31. It is not surprising that promoters of Code 19 rely on number
"tricks" exactly like those who teach eye trickery ("si7r"). It is also
not surprising that followers of Code 19 are obsessed with it and seek
to explain everything according to it exactly like those who are
obsessed with eye trickery/"si7r" seek to explain everything that
happens to them as either a result of evil "magic" or good protection
from evil "magic". Astonishingly, both groups seek to know the unseen
future using their "fitna"/test/affliction. Hence, you will find those
obsessed with eye trickery/"si7r" visit "psychics" to know about the
future exactly like Code 19 followers seek to know the future, for
example, about when the world will end.

Interestingly, magic/eye trickery ("si7r") is talked about in Chapter
74. In 74:24-25 the rejecters say this is magic that the prophet copied
from someone and it is the saying of a human. How do we know if a saying
is that of The God or not?

According to 4:82, we are told that had the reading been from someone
other than The God then one would find in it many inconsistencies. What
we see in fact is that Code 19 contains many inconsistencies that had to
be "fixed" by Code 19 promoters through manipulation of the data and use
of inconsistent methods. Since it contains many inconsistencies, it
cannot be from The God. Certainly, The God did not give us this
inconsistent Code 19 and had to wait for humans to come around and fix
it.

Due to the inconsistency of Code 19 and the tricks that its promoters
had to do to make it appear as if it is consistent, if it is taken as
part of the great reading and not a man-made falsehood then it actually
inadvertently supports the rejecters' statement in 74:24-25.

The second problem with Dr. Khalifa's translation is that the word
"3ida(t)" doesn't mean "number", it means "count".

33:49 makes it clear that the meaning of "3D(t)" is clearly not "number"
since the divorced women do not owe a "number" but they owe a "count".
They have to count three menstrual cycles. This doesn't mean that women
only have three menstrual cycles or that they only get three in a year.
What this means is that out of the number/3DD/عَدَدَ of menstrual cycles
from the time of divorce, they only owe the count/3D(t)/ عِدَّةَ of
three.

65:1 talks about being accurate with the count/3D(t)/ عِدَّةَ. There is
nothing accurate or inaccurate about any number. Accuracy becomes an
issue only when there is measurement (i.e. counting). So once again, we
see that 3D(t)/ عِدَّةَ is what we measure/count out of a larger
population (see 9:36-37, 65:1-4) or estimate from possible alternatives
(see 18:22).

Notice the same word used in 9:46 to indicate what we count in
preparation for battle. For example, we prepare by counting supplies
based on the military objective. We don't just get any absolute number
of supplies.

Therefore, the "fitna"/trial/affliction is in counting 19 and not in the
number 19 itself.

The third problem is that the structure of the sentence was changed so
that now "disturb the believers" is one of the objectives instead of
being part of what accomplishes the objectives that follow.

The list of objectives is not related just to "assigning their number"
as Dr. Khalifa claimed, it is related to "making their count as a
"fitna"/trial/affliction for those who have rejected."

Thus, it is not the "number" that accomplishes the following purposes
but the "count being a "fitna"/trial/affliction for those who have
rejected" that accomplishes the following purposes:

(1) Result in certainty and elimination of doubt of those who were
given the book and those who had faith and increase in faith those who
already had faith.
(2) Result in those in whose hearts there is sickness (they are the
hypocrites as per 2:10) and the rejecters asking: "What did The God want
with this example?"

The sign in 3:7 has many parallels with that in 74:31, perhaps when we
consider them together we can better understand how certainty and
elimination of doubt is achieved.

3:7. He is the one who descended on you the book. From it are judging
signs that are the origin of the book, and others that are allegorical.
So in the case of:
(1) Those in whose hearts there is blurriness, they pursue what is
allegorical from it (the book) desiring the "fitna"/trial/affliction and
desiring its (the book's) original interpretation. And none knows its
(the book's) original interpretation except The God. And,
(2) Those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We have faith in it
(the book), both (types of signs) are from our Lord."
And none remembers other than those with intellects.

74:31. And we didn't make the owners/companions of the Fire except
controllers; and we didn't make their count except as a
"fitna"/trial/affliction for those who have rejected;
(1) so that those who were given the book be sure, those who had faith
increase in faith and those who were given the book and those who had
faith do not have doubt. And,
(2) so that those in whose hearts there is sickness and the rejecters
say: "What did The God want with this example?" Like this The God
misguides whom He wills and guides whom He wills.
And none knows your Lord's soldiers except Him.
And it is nothing except a reminder for the humans.

One can immediately see that both 3:7 and 74:31 talk about
"fitna"/trial/affliction and about those in whose hearts there is
sickness/blurriness.

In 3:7 we hear "none knows its (the book's) original interpretation
except The God" and similarly in 74:31 we hear "none knows your Lord's
soldiers except Him".

In 74:31 we hear "and it is nothing except a reminder for the humans"
and in 3:7 we hear "and none remembers other than those with
intellects".

We also hear in 3:7 those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We
have faith in it (the book)". In 74:31, those who have faith increase in
faith.

What makes anyone achieve certainty and eliminate doubt? It is when what
they believed in is verified through empirical observation.

74:31 provides the practical empirical observation of the principles in
3:7 in action that we can see with our own eyes.

We see that the sequence in Chapter 74 is one of those
"mutashabihat"/allegorical signs. It talks about the unseen hell and is
calling it "saqar". Since no human ever saw or can even imagine this
"saqar", it is natural that this allegorical sign is one of the
"mutashabihat".

We see that those who ask: "What did The God want with this example?"
actually pursue the "fitna"/trial/affliction and get answers that they
claim provide the book's original true interpretation ("ta'awil"). Based
on their imagined (since none knows it except The God) original true
interpretation ("ta'awil") they confidently make prophecies and give
exact dates of future events and remove parts of the great reading that
they are sure "didn't originally belong in the book".

We see that those who pursue the "fitna"/trial/affliction of counting 19
actually reject parts of the great reading and we see the hypocrites
pursue the allegorical signs while wrongly believing to be reformers
(2:10-12).

We can see that the majority of those who follow Code 19 actually still
rely on Hadith despite denying it (for example to reject 9:128-129) and
are likely to be found next to the Sunnis and Shias spinning seven times
around their pagan black cube idol and performing other similar mindless
rituals such as stoning some stone pillars.

When those who were given the book and those who had faith actually see
the application of 3:7 as demonstrated in front of our eyes through
"making the count of 19 as a "fitna"/trial/affliction for those who have
rejected", this results in their certainty, elimination of doubt and
increase in faith. The sign in 3:7 is crucial to how we properly
approach the book. Thus, understanding it through a clear demonstration
of its application has profound implications on increasing our faith and
certainty and eliminating any doubts.

For some of those who are too deep into the "fitna"/trial/affliction of
counting 19 it might be too late. For others, it may not be too late. My
only advice to all is to seek the mercy of The God. At the end, we are
not saved by anything except His mercy.

As for the mystery of the alleged initials, recent research has
demonstrated that they are not initials at all but are connected words.
This research can be found here:

http://www.free-minds.org/articles/science/language.htm

IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:

2:2. This is the book no doubt in it, a guidance for the forethoughtful.

This article reflects my personal interpretation of the signs of the
great reading. I will try to improve my understanding of the great
reading and the universe, except if The God wills and perhaps my Lord
guides me to what is nearer in rationality. Please verify all
information within for yourself as commanded in 17:36, and remember that
simply "none" is the forethoughtful answer to 45:6. If The God willed,
the outcome of this article will be beneficial.

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Altway

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Jan 21, 2007, 9:42:48 AM1/21/07

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"Ayman" <dra...@fast-email.com> wrote in message
> Idiot's Guide to Code 19

Comment:-

This is connected with Quran 74:30 which simply states "Over it are 19"
This seems to refer to Hell.

A reading of the rest of the chapter shows that 19 may refer to the number
of years that describe the cycle when the sun, moon and earth are aligned in
the same way. The orbit of the moon also changes cyclically with a period of
19 years. That is, the point where the moon rises over the horizon moves
forward and back again to the same point in 19 years.
Affairs on earth can be regarded as being influenced (if not wholly
determined) by the sun and moon, the former providing the power and the
latter providing the form. The sun was a symbol for the masculine principle
because it bestows energy and vitalizes, while the moon was a symbol for the
female principle - the female menstrual cycle of 28 (7 x 4) days was
connected with the phases of the moon. The sun, which shines by its own
power and produces the day, was also thought of as the source of light and
consciousness, while the moon shining more dimly by reflected light at night
was a symbol of sub-consciousness.

Regarding the number 19:-

(1)19 is mentioned in the Quran 74:27-37 as being above Hell, and,
therefore, presumably protecting heaven or Truth, convincing or exposing
disbelievers and strengthening faith and removing doubt of believers.

(2) It is the number of years in which the alignment of sun, moon and earth
is repeated. The orbit of the moon also changes cyclically with a period of
19 years. That is, the point where the moon rises over the horizon moves
forward and back again to the same point in 19 years. The above verses refer
to this. 19 = 7+12 which is the number of days in a week plus number of
months in a year.

(3) It is a combination of the first and last basic numbers i.e. 1 and 9,
and represents God as the First and the Last Quran 57:3

(4) It is the 9th prime number, 9 being the last basic number:- 1, 2, 3, 5,
7, 11, 13, 17, 19

(5) Digital addition gives us 19 = 1+9 = 10 = 1+0 = 1. If we regard the
sequence of numbers as describing cycles, levels or degrees then 19
represents the third cycle, level or degree of 1, and 10 is the second.

(6) The GV (the gematrical value when the numbers represented by the letters
is added up) of the word "ONE" (referring to God) in all the scriptural
languages - Aramaic, Hebrew, and Arabic (Wahd and Vahd) 6+1+8+4 = 19.

(7) The word Allah occurs in the Quran 2698 = 19 x 142 times. But this
excludes two that occur in the disputed verse 9:129, and other gods besides
Allah, the One.

(8) The word "Quran" occurs in the Quran 58 times. But one of them refers to
"another Quran" in 10:15. If we exclude this, then we have 57 = 19 x 3

(9).......................etc

See full article at the end of Quran with Commentaries on
www.hamsaz.freeuk.com

Hamid S. Aziz

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Jan 27, 2007, 8:45:06 PM1/27/07

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Peace Altway,

On Jan 21, 9:42 am, Altway wrote:
> A reading of the rest of the chapter shows that 19 may refer to the number
> of years that describe the cycle when the sun, moon and earth are aligned in
> the same way.

This is a personal opinion but it cannot be inferred from reading the
rest of chapter 74.

There are other passages that clearly speak about the cycle of the
moon, for example 36:39. This is not one of them.

> The orbit of the moon also changes cyclically with a period of
> 19 years. That is, the point where the moon rises over the horizon moves
> forward and back again to the same point in 19 years.

This is what approximately happens in the present time.

This wasn't always the cycle and it will not be in the future as the
moon is slowly moving away from the earth.

> Affairs on earth can be regarded as being influenced (if not wholly
> determined) by the sun and moon, the former providing the power and the
> latter providing the form. The sun was a symbol for the masculine principle
> because it bestows energy and vitalizes, while the moon was a symbol for the
> female principle - the female menstrual cycle of 28 (7 x 4) days was
> connected with the phases of the moon. The sun, which shines by its own
> power and produces the day, was also thought of as the source of light and
> consciousness, while the moon shining more dimly by reflected light at night
> was a symbol of sub-consciousness.

Yes, this is all well known pagan symbolism.

It is fine if one is of the opinion that there is some sort of mystical
power in this pagan symbolism but again, this is all personal opinion
and it cannot be inferred from chapter 74.

> Regarding the number 19:-
> (1)19 is mentioned in the Quran 74:27-37 as being above Hell, and,
> therefore, presumably protecting heaven or Truth, convincing or exposing
> disbelievers and strengthening faith and removing doubt of believers.

Actually, the passage clearly states that the owners/companions of hell
are "malaika"/controllers, not a number.

It states that nineteen is the count/counting (Arabic: 3idat) of the
controllers NOT number (Arabic: 3adad). The difference between
count/3idat and number/3adad is clear in that count involves an act of
counting.

The Arabic word "3alayha" doesn't necessarily mean "above" in Arabic.
For example, we hear it in 9:60 in reference to those who administer
charity so it could refer to being in charge of something.

Moreover, the passage doesn't leave any room for guessing the function
of the controllers count/counting. It clearly says that their count is
ONLY a trial/'fitna" for the unappreciative, NOTHING more.

Everything that comes after that (i.e., increase in faith, etc.) is a
result of "their count being ONLY a trial/'fitna" for the
unappreciative" NOT a result of any number.

> (2) It is the number of years in which the alignment of sun, moon and earth
> is repeated. The orbit of the moon also changes cyclically with a period of
> 19 years. That is, the point where the moon rises over the horizon moves
> forward and back again to the same point in 19 years. The above verses refer
> to this. 19 = 7+12 which is the number of days in a week plus number of
> months in a year.

This is again personal opinion. The verses certainly do not refer to
anything about the 7-day week or months.

The fact is that the 7-day week is a completely manmade arbitrary
timeframe. Therefore, the week hasn't always been 7 days. For example,
in ancient Egypt the week was 10 days. The Jews later invented the 7
day week because of the 6 day creation + 1 day rest falsehood.

The pagans also used a 7 day week because much as we read above, they
too ascribed mystical powers to the five planets and the sun and the
moon. The names of the days of the week meant to honor those cosmic
deities still reflect their pagan origin. Later when Christianity
appropriated pagan symbolism, they continued to take the day of the
week meant to honor the sun as their "holy" day.

> (3) It is a combination of the first and last basic numbers i.e. 1 and 9,
> and represents God as the First and the Last Quran 57:3

This is not true. In a base-10 system as the one used today, the first
and last base numbers are 1 and 10. Also, I didn't see any mention of
the numbers 1 and 9 in 57:3 so again this is a personal opinion and it
is not in 57:3.

It is not surprising that many people are tempted to count 19
everywhere. As mentioned in 74:31, the count is nothing but a
trial/"fitna" for the unappreciative. People who see and count 19
everywhere are obviously afflicted by this trial/"fitna".

> (4) It is the 9th prime number, 9 being the last basic number:- 1, 2, 3, 5,
> 7, 11, 13, 17, 19
> (5) Digital addition gives us 19 = 1+9 = 10 = 1+0 = 1. If we regard the
> sequence of numbers as describing cycles, levels or degrees then 19
> represents the third cycle, level or degree of 1, and 10 is the second.

Digital addition of 55 = 5+5 = 10 = 1+0 = 1

Of course all this has nothing with "a reading of the rest of chapter
74" and is the completely useless musings of numerologists. Again,
people are entitled to their own personal opinion about such useless
numerology but they shouldn't claim that it has anything to do with "a
reading of the rest of chapter 74".

> (6) The GV (the gematrical value when the numbers represented by the letters
> is added up) of the word "ONE" (referring to God) in all the scriptural
> languages - Aramaic, Hebrew, and Arabic (Wahd and Vahd) 6+1+8+4 = 19.

Gematria is the name commonly used for Jewish numerology. The Jews in
turn took the practice from the Greeks. The Greeks invented Gematria
and it started out as building the measurements of pagan temples and
idols in accordance to symbolic numerical ratios. For example, Greek
temples, such as the Parthenon (447 BCE) and Apollo's temple at Didyma
(300 BCE), were constructed according to Gematria. The Greeks also
formulated the standard spellings of their pagan idols' names according
to Gematria. So, for example, Zeus is the Geometric Mean of Hermes and
Apollo. [See: Fideler, D., Jesus Christ: Sun of God: Ancient Cosmology
and Early Christian Symbolism. Quest Books: 1993.]

Much later Jewish mystics used the same ideas of Gematria's codes and
hidden meanings in the dimensions of "sacred" shapes to make esoteric
codes based on "sacred" letters and words. Thus, the fact is that like
the earlier pagan symbolism about the power of the sun and the moon,
the true origin of Gematria is the pagans' mystical assignment of
meaning to numerical measurements of "sacred" shapes such as stone
idols.

Even Jewish researchers admit that their Gematria was purely invented
for mystical religious purposes and the Hebrew alphabet did not start
being used as numerals until the first century BCE, long after the
revelation of the Torah. In fact, prior to that, Hebrews used Egyptian
Hieratic numerals.

Apparently, the Israelites became jealous from the Greek's pagan
Gematria as in 7:138 and decided to invent one of their own around the
first century BCE long after the revelation of the Torah. Before that
point, unlike the present Square Hebrew alphabet that we are familiar
with, the early Hebrew alphabet only had 22 letters. The present form
of Hebrew Gematria cannot have been used before Square Hebrew. It
wasn't until the second century CE that Square Hebrew, in its current
form, was standardized. Thus, present Hebrew Gematria cannot predate
the second century CE, and any kind of use in numeration cannot have
predated the invention of Hebrew numerals in the first century BCE. Of
course, given that the Torah was revealed in an earlier millennium,
this creates major problems for believers in Gematria.

Similarly, the ancient Arabs did not use letters for numbers. They used
a tally system and this is clearly documented in the archeological
record. Much later, around the 10th century CE or so, Arabic letters
were phonetically aligned with Hebrew so that proper names can be made
to conserve their Gematrical values. The first examples of using Arabic
letters as numerals in this manner date to the 10th century CE, long
after the great reading was descended.

> (7) The word Allah occurs in the Quran 2698 = 19 x 142 times. But this
> excludes two that occur in the disputed verse 9:129, and other gods besides
> Allah, the One.

It is a fact that 1 out of 19 numbers is divisible by 19 anyway. So for
every 19 calculations one makes, whether they are related to a cosmic
phenomena or counting letters and words, one will successfully get a 19
divisible number. This is of course completely normal.

Of course we are only being shown the successful trials and not the
other inevitable 18 unsuccessful trials. These "successes" are the
results of "believers" in a mystical code 19 spending endless hours
counting words and letters and only presenting to everyone the 1 out of
19 successful trials where they got a 19 divisible number. Heck, even
when they don't get their success, they tweak the data by adding or
removing a letter or a word here and there or haphazardly changing the
rules of counting after they see that the original way of counting
doesn't add up to their preconceived result. This way, mathematically
ignorant naive people are fooled into believing that it is some sort of
a miracle.

> (8) The word "Quran" occurs in the Quran 58 times. But one of them refers to
> "another Quran" in 10:15. If we exclude this, then we have 57 = 19 x 3

Again, here is a perfect example of what I am talking about.

People who are inflicted by this trial/"fitna" start obsessively
counting all the words "quran" and it doesn't add up to their count and
it is over by one. So they say "well... let's exclude one occurrence".
They then look for a good excuse to exclude one occurrence and they
say: "let's not count this one because it refers to another quran".
Once they get their preconceived count, they stop. They are not really
interested in applying even their own new rules that they invented.
Thus, they are conveniently silent on the fact that in addition to
10:15, in 13:31 we also hear about "another quran". This other
hypothetical quran that can move mountains is certainly not the one we
have. But numerologists only care about reaching the count that they
desire and they don't care about violating the very method of counting
that they invented in the first place.

Indeed, the counting of 19 is ONLY a trial/'fitna" for the
unappreciative. The unappreciative are those who don't appreciate the
god's message and instead obsessively go digging around for esoteric
pagan symbolism and pagan Gematria.

Peace,

Ayman

Altway

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<dra...@fast-email.com> wrote

>> A reading of the rest of the chapter shows that 19 may refer to the
>> number
of years that describe the cycle when the sun, moon and earth are aligned
in
the same way.

> This is a personal opinion but it cannot be inferred from reading the
rest of chapter 74.

Comment:-
"Nay; I swear by (or call to witness) the moon, And by the night when it
departs, and by the Dawn when it shines forth; Surely, this is but one of
the mighty Signs, A warning to mortals, To him among you who wishes to go
forward or remain behind. Every soul is held in pledge for its own deeds."
Quran 74:32-38

Yes, it is my interpretation which I hold until shown a better explanation.

> Actually, the passage clearly states that the owners/companions of hell
are "malaika"/controllers, not a number.
It states that nineteen is the count/counting (Arabic: 3idat) of the
controllers NOT number (Arabic: 3adad). The difference between
count/3idat and number/3adad is clear in that count involves an act of
counting.
The Arabic word "3alayha" doesn't necessarily mean "above" in Arabic.
For example, we hear it in 9:60 in reference to those who administer
charity so it could refer to being in charge of something.
> Moreover, the passage doesn't leave any room for guessing the function
of the controllers count/counting. It clearly says that their count is
ONLY a trial/'fitna" for the unappreciative, NOTHING more.

Comment:-
Thanks for this explanation.
I do not see that it makes any difference.
But I will meditate upon this.

> Everything that comes after that (i.e., increase in faith, etc.) is a
> result of "their count being ONLY a trial/'fitna" for the
> unappreciative" NOT a result of any number.

> The fact is that the 7-day week is a completely manmade arbitrary

timeframe. Therefore, the week hasn't always been 7 days. For example,
in ancient Egypt the week was 10 days. The Jews later invented the 7
day week because of the 6 day creation + 1 day rest falsehood.

Comment:-
No the number 7 is integral to the structure of the existence.
There are 7 heavens and see the Quran where that number occurs.
It is also found in the Fatiha, the Wuzu and Islamic Salat.

Hamid S. Aziz

G.Waleed Kavalec

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Salaam all

I am a student of the Quran, too. I learned my love of mathematics in
childhood. I have been a computer professional for over twenty years.

On this basis I have made my own decision concerning RK's *later*
conclusions: he was either mentally ill or he succumbed to the
shaitan.

His work up through his 1980 translation was exemplary. That work
ALONE has guided many to Islam.

His claims in the 1989 translation are 180 degrees away from that
light. He essentially implies that Allah intented mankind to be
misguided by a corrupted scripture - one He promised to protect - for
1400 years... until RK and his Magic Computer would appear singing
"Here we come to Save the Day".*

Rahad Khalifa should serve as a vital lesson to all of us. No matter
how good your insights, no matter how good your works, not one us us
is immune to spiritual failure, none of us has a free pass.

Meanwhile, here is a twenty (?) year old article analyzing a set of
documents called the "posting guidelines" for the oldest Islamic
internet group... Soc.Religion.Islam (formerly Soc.Culture.Islam)

Yes. THIS group.

begin article ------------------------------>

Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
From: Brendan McKay
Subject: When St Catherine says NO, she means NO!

One of the problems faced by anyone who examines the claims of
numerical patterns in Quran or Bible, is that when presented
cleverly the patterns appear quite remarkable. A part of the
reason is that variations in text or counting method are sometimes
used. However, even if the text and counting method is given
precisely in advance, a diligent worker can usually find patterns
that look remarkable to someone not experienced in the method.

In a further article I am going to explain how it is done; it
is not just a matter of trying lots of possibilities. In this
first article I will get your attention by displaying an example.

When Shawki declined my invitation to send some text, I asked
our moderators to send some. The choice of what to send was left
entirely to them. Both of them sent me their files of form letters,
and Ahmad also send a Unix shell script. From the material sent,
I decided to analyse two subsets:

1. The full set of five rejection letters used by Catherine.
2. Ahmad's shell script.

This article shows the results of the first analysis. I used the
number 19, for obvious reasons, and the numerical values which I
had earlier promised to use. Please enjoy the fruits of my labour.

Brendan.

----------------------------------------------------------
Numerical report on rejection letters of Catherine Hampton.
----------------------------------------------------------

The full set of five form letters used by Catherine Hampton to reject
articles sent to soc.culture.islam will be analysed for patterns of
19.
They are attached at the end, in the order received.

To save typing, # means "the number of them is" and V means "the
total numerical value of them is". For example "words have #38=19*2"
means there are 38=19*2 words. Numerical values are computed from
the following:

a=1, b=2, c=3, d=4, e=5, f=6, g=7, h=8, i=9,
j=10, k=20, l=30, m=40, n=50, o=60, p=70, q=80, r=90,
s=100, t=200, u=300, v=400, w=500, x=600, y=700, z=800.

These numbers are chosen to make the comparison with Hebrew, Greek
and Arabic as realistic as possible.

Some definitions: a "word" is one or more letters in a row, not
counting hyphens and apostrophes. The newsgroup name
"soc.culture.islam" is counted as three words. Classification of
parts of speech follows The Macquarie Dictionary.

A note on the presentation: The general pattern is to take some
feature showing 19, then to subdivide it into parts which also
show 19. Those parts may then be further subdivided into smaller
parts, and so on. The form "X has n of which Y has m" means that
Y is a subdivision of X. I have tried to use consistent indentation
to emphasise this structure.

A. THE SIGNATURE.
-----------------

Each of the letters ends thus:

Catherine Hampton
Interim Moderator, soc.culture.islam

A1. The complete signature has V2356=19*124,
A2. of which the first and last words have V551=19*29,
A3. and the others have V1805=19*19*5,
A4. of which the first letters have V247=19*13.
A5. The first and last letters of the first and last words have
V57=19*3.

Note that A1=A2+A3. However, for A3 we have 19*19, so we can
reasonably count it as one additional feature.

B. THE REJECTION NOTES WITHOUT SIGNATURES.
-----------------------------------------

B1. There are #475=19*25 words,
B2. of which #209=19*11 have even length,
B3. of which #152=19*8 end in a consonant.
and #57=19*3 end in a vowel.
and #266=19*14 have odd length.

Feature B3 suggests there is something significant about ending
with a consonant. We will specifically explore this phenomenon
for both words and sentences, and also consider the property of
starting with a consonant.

For words starting with a consonant, we have:

B4. The total is #1596=19*84 letters.

For words ending with a consonant, we have:

B5/6. Those in odd sentences have V92777=19*19*257,
B7. of which the first characters of those sentences give
V57=19*3.

For words starting and ending with consonants, we have:

B8. The total has V126920=19*6680,
B9/10. of which the words in even position give V59926=19*19*166.
and the words in odd position give V66994=19*3526.

For sentences starting with a consonant, we have:

B11. The total has V92549=19*4871,
B12. of which even letter positions give V46341=19*2439,
B13. and odd letter positions give V46208=19*19*128.
B14. including V893=19*47 from the first letters of sentences;
B15. The first letters of the words give V26923=19*1417.
B16. The first and last letters of the words give V50977=19*2683,
B17. of which the consonants give V48564=19*2556,
and the vowels give V2413=19*127.
B18. The first and last words of sentences give V7296=19*384,
B19. of which the last sentence gives V589=19*31,
B20. the even sentences give 19*173,
the odd sentences give 4009=19*211,
B21. the even length sentences (in words) give V3420=19*180,
and the odd length sentences give V3876=19*204.

For sentences ending with a consonant, we have:

B22/23. The total has #2166=19*19*6 letters,
B24. of which #342=19*18 are in sentences of even length,
B25. of which #133=19*7 appear in nouns,
B26. and #133=19*7 are vowels;
and #1824=19*96 are in sentences of odd length,
B27. of which #608=19*32 appear in nouns.
B28. Of the total, #741=19*39 letters appear in nouns.
B29. of which #285=19*15 are vowels.

Every sentence starting with a consonant also ends with a consonant,
so it would be redundant to consider both properties together.

Here are some miscellaneous features involving 19*19:

B30/31. The first and last letters of the words in even sentences
have V43320=19*19*120,
B32. of which first words in sentences give V912=19*48,
B33. and last words in sentences give V2147=19*113.
B34/35. The odd characters in the words of odd-length sentences
(in words) have V47291=19*19*131,
B36. of which the last words in sentences give V2546=19*134.

C. THE FIRST AND LAST SENTENCES.
-------------------------------

For the first sentence:

C1. There are 19 words.
C2. The first letters of each word have V1159=19*61,
C3. The last letters of each word have V1786=19*94,
C4/5. of which those in odd position have V1083=19*19*3,
and those in even position have V703=19*37.
C6. Words ending in vowels have V1691=19*89,
C7. of which those also starting in vowels have V817=19*43,
and those starting with consonants have V874=19*46.
C8. Everything except the two verbs has V6479=19*341.
C9. of which those ending in vowels have V1691=19*89,
and those ending in consonants have V4788=19*252.

For the first and last sentences together:

C10/11. The odd words in each sentence total V9386=19*19*26,
C12. of which the nouns give V3648=19*192,
C13. including V2318=19*122 from the first sentence.
C14. The first letters of each sentence total V209=19*11.

D. THE REPEATED PARAGRAPH.
-------------------------

An evident property of the rejection notes is that three of them
repeat this paragraph:

The moderators are preparing a weekly report on rejected posts,
which
will contain the title (edited if it is obscene), author name, email
address, and reason for rejection for any post whose author wants it
included. Readers may then email the author directly if they would
like to see the post. If you would like to have your post included
in
this report, please let me know.

D1/2. The vowels have V4693=19*19*13,
D3. of which those in the 19 words that end in a vowel
D4/5. give V722=19*19*2.

E. THE REJECTION NOTES WITH SIGNATURES INCLUDED.
-----------------------------------------------

In part C we analysed the rejection notes without signatures, which
is justified since the signature alone shows strong patterns.
If we include the signatures as well (as an extra sentence on
the end of each rejection note) we find no decrease in the number
of patterns to find. Rather than showing a large number of features
again, I will concentrate on a few examples.

For the sentences starting with consonants (compare B11-21):

E1/2. The total is V104329=19*19*289,
E3. of which the first and last words of each sentence give
V10051=19*529,
E4. of which the even length sentences (in words) give
V3420=19*180,
E5. of which the last letters of the words give V266=19*14,
E6. and the first and last letters of sentences give
V1045=19*55;
and the odd length sentences give V6631=19*349.
E7-9. The first and last letters of the even words that end in
consonants
total V20577=19*19*19*3!

Such subdivisions can be continued to many levels.

Considering the nouns only:

E10. The total is V66158=19*3482,
E11 of which the first letters give V8379=19*441,
E12 of which letters first in sentences give V285=19*15;
E13. and the last letters give V12407=19*653,
E14. There are 19 nouns ending sentences,
E15. with altogether #342=19*18 letters.

A few other features:

E16/17. The even characters in the first words of each sentence
total V2527=19*19*7,
E18. of which those in odd-length sentences (in words) give
V1862=19*98,
and those in even length sentences give V665=19*35.
E19/20. The #703=19*37 vowels in words that end in consonants
E21. total V29241=19*19*81,
E22. of which the last words in each sentence give V1824=19*96.
E23-24. Omitting articles (a, the), the vowels in words starting with
consonants total V27436=19*19*19*4!

The 74 features presented here are but a few of countless thousands
of features that saturate this text.

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Here are Catherine's rejection notes as provided, in the order
provided.
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I'm sorry, but the guidelines to soc.religion.islam forbid posts
that contain abusive language and/or personal attacks. In my
opinion,
your post contains one of these, so I cannot approve it for posting.

The moderators are preparing a weekly report on rejected posts, which
will contain the title (edited if it is obscene), author name, email
address, and reason for rejection for any post whose author wants it
included. Readers may then email the author directly if they would
like to see the post. If you would like to have your post included in
this report, please let me know.