Oral Sex?
AbdulraHman Lomax
>Hello.. I was in the alt.religion.islam newsgroup yesterday.. and I
>posted a question. I was then told to join this newsgroup and post it
>here. My question was: Is oral sex permitted in Islam? I would like
>some proof from Qur'an or Hadith with the reply. Thanks in advance.
I have seen no clear evidence from either Qur'an or hadith, other than
the verse, 2:223: "Your wives are a tilth for you, so go to your tilth
however you like." The previous verse does imply that there is some
divine command on the subject: "So when they are purified, approach
them in the manner commanded by Allah." However, the only hadith I
have seen regarding this are about anal intercourse, which is
forbidden, along with intercourse during menstruation.
It may be relevant that human milk, male sperm, and female sexual
fluid are not considered impure. (Reliance of the Traveler, e14.5(5)]
The general principle is that whatever has not been specifically made
haram is lawful. I have seen nothing that would indicate that oral sex
is unlawful in any situation in which vaginal intercourse is lawful.
However, as with all sexual contact, it would be abusive for the
sensibilities of both parties not to be considered.
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vic...@vdospk.com
of blood is haram, for many reasons, one being diseases. Another reason
is the eating of human body fluids. Remember, sex is for the pleasure of
Allah (swt) therefore, both parties are to receive some kind of pleasure.
Oral sex is a misnomer. The act of placing ones mouth on or in another's
sex organ is only for sport. Allah's purpose for the sex act is for
reproduction. However, there is pleasure as a reward. The reward
encourage the act of reproducing. That's no sport. In other words, we
can not orally reproduce. Allah (swt) also states in His Qur'an, avoid
shamful things, and He knows what we do in our bedrooms.
Also, the act of one placing his or her mouth on another's sex organ is
only following the acts of dogs and other animals. The Prophet of Allah
(swt), Muhammad (peace be upon him) did'nt care much for dogs.
Drinking is to allow some kind of fuild to flow down the throat. logic
dictates that, if we are not to allow blood for its many reasons, then
the same logic applies to human body fluids.
Talut El-Amin
Majed AM
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> Yes, my brother, oral sex is haram. Based on the fact that the drinkin=
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> of blood is haram, for many reasons, one being diseases. Another reaso=
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> is the eating of human body fluids.
1st of all I=92ll not give a fatwa on oral sex because
I=92m not qualified, i'm not a scholar, and i'm not
gonna misguide people by giving my own views.
2nd; my post is about what i understood from your=20
mail that the semen is impure(Najess or najasah)
by comparing it to blood. from what heard and read=20
from scholars that blood as you said is not halal
for drinking because it is "najasah", but semen
is pure and not najasah. now, could it be drunk?
my answer is I don't know, ALLAH a'alam!. And what
about other body fluids (like women's)? is it pure?
Is it halal? I don't know either.
majed
Abdul Rahman Rashid
>The general principle is that whatever has not been specifically made
>haram is lawful.
All that is lawful is not necessarily recommended or good. Take divorce
for instance. Allah loathes divorce, but permits it in this imperfect
physical realm. Looking for loopholes in the Sharia is practicing
"minimal Islam".
Abd'ul
Hussain
>is pure and not najasah. now, could it be drunk?
>my answer is I don't know, ALLAH a'alam!. And what
>about other body fluids (like women's)? is it pure?
>Is it halal? I don't know either.
>
>majed
What do you mean by semen being pure and not najis?
SEMEN IS NAJIS (najasah). If you have semen on your cloth, you can not pray
with that cloth on (just like blood). Ofcourse you can NOT DRINK semen nor
blood. There are many ahadith on this matter.
Wasalaam,
-Syed
dja...@gemini.ldc.lu.se
> but semen is pure and not najasah.
No brother ! It is indeed najassa. reread your books.
> And what about other body fluids (like women's)?
Same as above, it is najassa
>majed
Djamel.
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K.-Benoit Evans
: SEMEN IS NAJIS (najasah). If you have semen on your cloth, you can not pray
: with that cloth on (just like blood). Ofcourse you can NOT DRINK semen nor
: blood. There are many ahadith on this matter.
: Wasalaam,
: -Syed
Human semen is NOT regarded as najash by the Shafi'i and Hanbali schools.
Removal of its traces however is sunnah.
wassalaam,
Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
Farhan Memon
things to say about this topic.
Even though the Quaran and Hadith contain all of the answers for living,
a lot of the time the rule that is drawn from verses and sayings is based
on interpretation. Interpretation in turn is dependent on the philosophy
of the person involved.
That is why I in all cases try to look at the situation and barring a
clear ruling of Haram exercise my own common sense.
Now, as far as I know, no where in the Quran or Hadith is oral sex
mentioned. But if you consider the sex act itself, I believe that there
are two purposes for it in Islam. One is to procreate and the other is to
strengthen the bond of marriage between a man and a woman.
Obviously people derive pleasure from sex, because if it were a painful
disgusting thing humans wouldn't be motivated to do it, just as most
humans don't voluntarily want to stick a needle in there arms.
I believe that sex in Islam also serves to bring a man and woman together
in marriage. Sex is the most intimate activity that they can share with
one another and it is in the giving and receiving of this mutual pleasure
that their love and passion for each other grows.
Now the question becomes what form of pleasure is permissible. I think we
can safely say anal sex is out, because their is an explicit prohibition
against it. Rear entry, kind of a grey are for me, but I'd say it's also
out. Humans are the only of Allah's creations of Earth that have sex face
to face. It's animals who do it the other way. We aren't animals, so
although one can derive pleasure this way I don't think it's advisable.
Now we get to the topic of oral sex. It's definitely pleasurable (I'm
told) and as for the exchange of body fluid I think a lot more is
exchanged when you're kissing your significant others.
If the parties are monogomous, as they should be in Islam, I don't see
why a married couple ought to deprive each other of this pleasure.
Of course if someone wants to go pray after the act, then they should
have a shower and do wadu.
FM
Hussain
Evans) writes:
>Human semen is NOT regarded as najash by the Shafi'i and Hanbali schools.
>Removal of its traces however is sunnah.
>
>wassalaam,
>Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
If the semen is not najis, do the followers (of Shafi and Hambali schools)
perform "Gusl-e-jenaba" after the discharge of semen? If they do then semen is
najis. If they don't then this is something new to me. (Here, I am only talking
about wajib (fardh) not sunnah)
The Gusl-e-jenaba is wajib (fardh) and therefore it makes semen najis.
Just like when a woman comes off her period she must perform "Gusl-e-haiz"
before praying. Until she performs Gusl she can not pray.
Wassalaam,
-Syed
Mazen Mokhtar
>If the semen is not najis, do the followers (of Shafi and Hambali schools)
>perform "Gusl-e-jenaba" after the discharge of semen?
Yes.
> If they do then semen is najis.
How do you figure? The ghusl is from janaba (as the name implies), not
for touching something najis.
>The Gusl-e-jenaba is wajib (fardh) and therefore it makes semen najis.
No it does not.
>Just like when a woman comes off her period she must perform "Gusl-e-haiz"
>before praying. Until she performs Gusl she can not pray.
The blood is najis, but semen does not have to be. To give you an example,
ghusl is mandatory as soon as the private parts of a husband and wife
touch. Does that mean that the private parts are najis? Ghusl does not
necessarily imply physical impurity.
Mazen Mokhtar
Jochen Katz
something "lighter".
Warning, this is a HUMOROUS response (though with some serious questions
added in), no offense intended, but I just couldn't help smiling a lot
when I read this article and thought about its implications.
And, being able to laugh together is a sign of a good relationship whether
between spouses or just friends [and I hope to not fall into the category
of your personal enemies]. Okay then, here my reflection on this posting:
In article <4ge8d2$k...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, vic...@vdospk.com writes:
Yes, my brother, oral sex is haram. Based on the fact that the drinking
of blood is haram,
Well, that reason just beats me.
[Because I am not married, I am not really an authority on any topic in
regard to sex, BUT] I always thought neither the wife nor the husband was
supposed to bite into the partner's sexual organ [would be pretty painful!]
and therefore I don't really see why this would have anything to do with
drinking blood. Or do you talk about the hypothetical case of being married
to a vampire?
for many reasons, one being diseases. Another reason
is the eating of human body fluids.
Are there specific Qur'an verses for this?
Remember, sex is for the pleasure of Allah (swt)
Hm. That is at least a very ambiguous statement. Immediate questions that
would spring to mind are:
* I have never heard it expressed like that way before - Is that even
a statement "approved" by orthodox Islam?
* If yes, is there any explanation what sort of pleasure Allah is deriving
from the sex of lawfully married human beings?
Or is that rather left as an abstract statement?
But what is the value of a statement that people better not try to fill
with concrete meaning?
therefore, both parties are to receive some kind of pleasure.
Therefore? Is that a logical conclusion? During the last days I have read on
this group some reflections on Ramadan, and it is done because Allah commands
that a Muslim should fast. But people were pretty unanimous that it is not
exactly pleasurable. That it is to chastise the body [and that this has good
consequences but is more like a bitter medicine you take for its good results
and not for the pleasure of using it]. And all the happy Eid messages make it
abundandly clear how glad everybody is that Ramadan is over.
So the pleasure of Allah [the Muslim's obedience of his will] is not
necessarily always a pleasure for his servants.
Oral sex is a misnomer. The act of placing ones mouth on or in another's
sex organ is only for sport.
No, I think most people would say it is for pleasure. But you are right,
pleasure and sport can come together. Most of the sport I do, I do because
I enjoy it, though I admit that knowing it is good for my health does increase
the enjoyment also.
Allah's purpose for the sex act is for reproduction.
Several Muslims have already denied this narrow interpretation on this group.
So, would you say, that a couple should stop having sex as soon as the wife
is pregnant? Any sex after the pregnancy has started is not influencing
reproduction in the least. So by your reasoning...
However, there is pleasure as a reward. The reward
encourage the act of reproducing. That's no sport. In other words, we
can not orally reproduce.
I imagine that the "normal sexual act" is using many more muscles than
oral sexual stimulation where the rest of the body is at rest. In that sense
"normal sex" is more sport-like.
Or is your definition: "sport" = "anything that does not serve reproduction"?
Like watching T.V. and filling in tax forms? [Yep, this time of the year is
approaching and we better do some jogging to build up stamina for the time
when we then actually have those dreaded pieces of paper in front of us.]
And does "normal sex" then graduate from "not a sport" to "sport" after a
pregnancy has started?
Allah (swt) also states in His Qur'an, avoid
shamful things, and He knows what we do in our bedrooms.
Well, now we get into circular reasoning. Because Allah doesn't like it,
it is shameful, and because it is shameful, Allah doesn't like it.
But I understood the poster to ask the question:
Does Allah actually say it is shameful?
The question is "Who defines what is shameful?" People have quite different
opinions of what is shameful and what not. And the question of the original
poster might actually be read in just this way:
Is oral sex shameful [and therefore haram] or not shameful [and halal]?
If oral sex is not forbidden and hence not haram who are you to declare
it a shameful thing?
Also, the act of one placing his or her mouth on another's sex organ is
only following the acts of dogs and other animals.
Comparing apples and oranges. Animals [if they even ever do what you say!]
are doing so only for cleaning purposes and not for pleasure purposes.
And since animals do keep their sexual organs clean, we should not be like
animals and therefore ... ?
The Prophet of Allah
(swt), Muhammad (peace be upon him) did'nt care much for dogs.
So what?
Drinking is to allow some kind of fuild to flow down the throat. logic
dictates that, if we are not to allow blood for its many reasons, then
the same logic applies to human body fluids.
I didn't know that infants were forbidden to drink their mothers milk.
It must be horrible starting out your life with heaping up sins for the
Day of Judgment.
Yours smiling,
P.S.: ... and also sort of wondering how this posting could pass the
moderation process done by a medical student [judging from Ahmad's
email address]...
[This is NOT a real question, I know that postings are not judged for
validity of content.]
And as one other person already pointed out: Kissing would be forbidden
too, as there is quite an exchange of human body fluid involved in that.
Wish I had thought of that earlier. But I haven't kissed for a long
long time, so I guess that is one reason for not realizing that. :)
Majed AM
>
> In article <4gfqq2$q...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Majed AM <malm...@maine.maine.edu> writes:
> > but semen is pure and not najasah.
>
> No brother ! It is indeed najassa. reread your books.
No brother ! it's indead pure (taher).
The scholar As-Sayyid Sabiq (rahmahULLAH) wrote in "Fiqh us-Sunnah":
Al-mani or Sperm. Som scholars say that sperm is impure,
but apparently it is pure, for it is only recommended to
wash it off if it is still wet, and to scratch it off
if it is dry, Said 'Aishah, "I used to scratch the sperm
off the messenger of ALLAH's clothes if it was dry, and
wash it off if it was still wet"
K.-Benoit Evans
: In message <4gjfk6$b...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, kev...@panix.com (K.-Benoit
: Evans) writes:
: >Human semen is NOT regarded as najash by the Shafi'i and Hanbali schools.
: >Removal of its traces however is sunnah.
: >
: >wassalaam,
: >Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
: If the semen is not najis, do the followers (of Shafi and Hambali schools)
: perform "Gusl-e-jenaba" after the discharge of semen? If they do then semen is
: najis. If they don't then this is something new to me. (Here, I am only talking
: about wajib (fardh) not sunnah)
: The Gusl-e-jenaba is wajib (fardh) and therefore it makes semen najis.
: Just like when a woman comes off her period she must perform "Gusl-e-haiz"
: before praying. Until she performs Gusl she can not pray.
: Wassalaam,
: -Syed
Yes, the followers of these two schools perform ghusl after intercourse.
They do so for two reasons: First, for them it is sunnah to remove any
traces of male semen or female secretions. Second, it is not the emission
of semen that makes ghusl necessary; it is the act of intercourse itself.
This second reason is held by all four schools.
In _Islam: Creed and Worship_, Muhammad Abdul Rauf, alimiyah (AzHar)
says, "Intercourse involving the penetraton of at least the head of the
male organ, whether orgasm is attained or not, [is a cause of major
Hadath requiring ghusl]. Any sexual activities not leading to emission of
semen and not involving a penetration as described above does not cause a
major Hadath [janaabah]."
But Allah knows best.
wassalaam,
Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
Quebec, Canada
A. El-Amin
applying logic and deduction. However, you have failed to read my
writing in context. You have failed to comprehend the writer. The
subject is "oral sex". Every word that I wrote is in that
context.
Mazen Mokhtar
Assalamu `alaykum,
In article <4gkj7q$d...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, VDL...@prodigy.com (Farhan Memon) writes:
>Rear entry, kind of a grey are for me, but I'd say it's also out.
It is allowed by an explicit Hadith. There is no disagreement on this
point as far as I know.
Assalamu `alaykum,
Mazen Mokhtar
bhi...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
: >Just like when a woman comes off her period she must perform "Gusl-e-haiz"
: >before praying. Until she performs Gusl she can not pray.
: The blood is najis, but semen does not have to be. To give you an example,
: ghusl is mandatory as soon as the private parts of a husband and wife
: touch. Does that mean that the private parts are najis? Ghusl does not
: necessarily imply physical impurity.
When you were younger, and you had a wet dream - did you perform ghusul?
If yes - why? If the semen is not najis, then it was not required.
I seem to remember readin somewhere that semen has blood in it, therefore
if this is true then semen IS najis.
Mohamed
Zainal A. Khalid
> : perform "Gusl-e-jenaba" after the discharge of semen? If they do then semen is
> : najis. If they don't then this is something new to me. (Here, I am only talking
[1:229 - O.B.] Narrated Aisha: I used to wash the traces of Janaba from the
clothes of the Prophet and he used to go for salat while traces of water were
still on it (water spots were still visible).
AbdulraHman Lomax
>In article <4gfqq2$q...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Majed AM <malm...@maine.maine.edu> writes:
>> but semen is pure and not najasah.
> No brother ! It is indeed najassa. reread your books.
I only have two books of fiqh that deal in detail with this subject.
They are the Reliance of the Traveler, which is Shafi'i, and Fiqh
us-Sunna, which seems to be primarily Hanafi, but does not confine
itself to that school, often discussing the rulings of all four sunni
schools.
In the Reliance, seminal fluid is not najas; rather it is considered
tahir (pure). On the other hand, wady and madhy, while are non-seminal
discharges from the penis, are considered najas. Wady is something I
have never experienced, described as a discharge of a thick, cloudly,
white fluid, exiting after urinating or carrying something heavy.
Madhy, however, is a thin fluid commonly discharged due to amorous
play or kissing.
Interestingly, if the discharge of madhy is "unlustful," ghusl is not
required. The same for wady. But cleaning of the clothes and the
affected portions of the body is still obligatory before prayer.
Fiqh us-Sunnah quotes a number of hadith, among others:
'Aishah said: "Wadi comes out after urinatin. The person should wash
the private parts and perform ablution. It is not necessary to perform
ghusl. (related by Ibn al-Mundhir).
'Ali said, "I used to excrete madhi, so I asked a man to ask the
Messenger of Allah ... He said, 'Make ablution and wash your penis."
regarding Mani, or sperm: "Some scholars say that sperm is impure, but
apparently it is pure, for it is only recommended to wash it off, if
it is still wet, and to scratch it off if it is dry. Said 'Aishah, "I
used to scratch the sperm off the Messenger of Allah's clothes if it
was dry, and wash it off it it was still wet." It is also related that
Ibn Abbas said, "I asked the messenger of Allah about sperm on
clothes. He said, "It is the same as mucus and spittle. It is
sufficient to rub the area with a rag or cloth."
I have omitted discussion of the strength of these hadith.
AbdulraHman Lomax
Mazen Mokhtar
bhi...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
> When you were younger, and you had a wet dream - did you perform >ghusul? If yes - why? If the semen is not najis, then it was
>not required.
The ghusl is required because having a wet dream (or letting our
semen) requires ghusl, not because semen is impure. I already gave
the example of a husband and wife; when their private parts touch,
ghusl is required although their private parts are not impure.
The point is that ghusl is not only required in the case of
impurity. It may also be required in other cases.
Wallahu a`lam: And Allah knows best.
Assalamu `alaykum,
Mazen Mokhtar
Alaa Zeineldine
assalamu aleikum,
Some posts are using incorrect reasoning to prove that semen is najis (impure).
Namely that because the ejection of semen requires ghusl (washing), then
semen must be impure.
This argumen is invalid, the ghusl is required because the state of janaba
(impurity) is cause by the act of ejection and not by the contact with
the semen.
As a counter-argument, contacting or secreting urine, faeces, blood
(other than secreting menstrual fluid), and certain animals' saliva
does not require ghusl, even though these are all substances that are
najis beyond doubt. So the association between najasa and ghusl which
exists in the minds of many (or most) Muslims does not have a basis in
fiQh. Ghusl as a ritual is performed according to specific
requirements suggested by fiQh derived from Quran and sunna, not due to
extrapolation from common sense.
As others before me mentioned, the proof from the aHadith show that it
is a sunna to clean the semen, but it is not considered najasa. For
exampe, doing salah in a state of janaba is invalid, doing salah
without cleaning blood or urine stains from one's garments to the best
of one's ability invalidates the salah. But doing the sala with semen
stains on the garments does not invalidate it, and if that happens
without attempting to clean it, the problem would be that of neglecting
an important sunna not that of an invalid salah.
The main requirements for ghusl are "janaba" due to ejaculation
for whatever cause, termination of menstruation, death, and entering
into Islam. Besides that, it is mustaHab (a favorable sunna) to have
ghusl on Friday and on the days of Eid. And similar to wudu, I believe
that one can make the intention to have ghusl at any time.
- Alaa