"Ameen" after reciting Al-Fatihah
safia majdi
Assalamu alaikum-
I think that this has been addressed before, but I'll ask it anyway because I
don't know the answer.
After reciting Fatihah during prayer, is it RIGHT or WRONG to say "ameen"
afterwards? I've read that the word "ameen" isn't even Arabic, and it isn't
after the Fatihah in the Qur'an, so what is the wisdom behind saying it?
Wa alaikum assalam
SM
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AHMED OKLA
SMajidi writes:
Subject: "Ameen" after reciting Al-Fatihah
From: SMa...@news-e2d.gnn.com (safia majdi)
Date: 3 Jun 1996 15:57:29 -0700
>> Assalamu alaikum-
After reciting Fatihah during prayer, is it RIGHT or WRONG to say "ameen"
afterwards? I've read that the word "ameen" isn't even Arabic, and it
isn't
after the Fatihah in the Qur'an, so what is the wisdom behind saying it?
<<
Ameen is not an Arabic word and is not a Qurainc word. True Muslims do not
add to the Quran or add to the Salat that belongs to God. We have to
understand that every word in the Quran and every letter is calculated by
God Almighty. The Mathematical Miiralce of the Quran proved that, but
without it, you still have to believe that God calculated every letter in
the Quran and in our salat. Do not add Ameen. You do not lose by not
adding it, you win, but you would lose more by adding something never
given by God.
Ameen most probably was added on the virtue of a hadith as all the
additions made to this great religoin came from fabricated hadiths. That
is why God warn us against accepting any hadith but the Quran and told us
that the messenger will complain to God on the Last Day that the Muslims
deserted the Quran (not the hadiths and sunna)
"Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the
earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever
occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which
HADITH, besides this (QURAN) do they believe in?" 7:185
[25:30]
The messenger* said, "My Lord, my people have deserted
this Quran."
Wa alaikum assalam
AHMED
Tawfique Hasan Chowdhury
On 3 Jun 1996, safia majdi wrote:
> After reciting Fatihah during prayer, is it RIGHT or WRONG to say "ameen"
> afterwards? I've read that the word "ameen" isn't even Arabic, and it isn't
> after the Fatihah in the Qur'an, so what is the wisdom behind saying it?
As recorded in a Hadith of the Prophet: "After the Imam says
:"Waladdaaal-Leeen"(end of the Surah Fatiha), you should say "Ameen",
because if your saying of Ameen corresponds with the Ameen being said by
the Angels, then all your past sins will be forgiven." This is reported
in Bukhari and others and is Sahih.
Thus you should always say Ameen in the prayer after reciting Surah Fatiha.
May Allah reward you.
Mohammad Tawfique
Mariam Ispahani
Tawfique Hasan Chowdhury wrote:
> As recorded in a Hadith of the Prophet: "After the Imam says
> :"Waladdaaal-Leeen"(end of the Surah Fatiha), you should say "Ameen",
> because if your saying of Ameen corresponds with the Ameen being said by
> the Angels, then all your past sins will be forgiven." This is reported
> in Bukhari and others and is Sahih.
>
> Thus you should always say Ameen in the prayer after reciting Surah Fatiha.
>
> May Allah reward you.
>
> Mohammad Tawfique
Assalaamu alaikum - Well, I read what Ahmed wrote about "ameen" not being
valid, and now I read what Md. Tawfique writes about "ameen" being valid.
This is confusing, but... I have heard that Shias don't say the "ameen"
and Sunnis do. Just my third point to add to the existing confusion :)
Will a fourth person please guide us? Thanks!
Mariam...(*_*)
Cyberspace Park: http://www.skypoint.com/~mariam
AHMED OKLA
Mariam writes:
Subject: Re: "Ameen" after reciting Al-Fatihah
From: Mariam Ispahani <mar...@skypoint.com>
Date: 6 Jun 1996 13:23:05 -0700
>> ... Well, I read what Ahmed wrote about "ameen" not being
valid, and now I read what Md. Tawfique writes about "ameen" being valid.
This is confusing, but... I have heard that Shias don't say the "ameen"
and Sunnis do. Just my third point to add to the existing confusion :)
Will a fourth person please guide us? <<
AA Mariam, I will call a friend or two of mines who agree wtih me to
responsd to you and say "ameen" is not valid. or may be Tawfique can find
three people instead of my tow . SEE my point.
It is not what the majority will say, but what God says.
OPEN YOUR QURAN and look in Sura Fateha, Sura 1, see if there is a "Ameen"
there ?
Believe God in the Quran not the people or the scholars.
SALAM
AHMED
farouq (f.) taj
Mariam Ispahani (mar...@skypoint.com) wrote:
: valid, and now I read what Md. Tawfique writes about "ameen" being valid.
: and Sunnis do. Just my third point to add to the existing confusion :)
Salaam Mariam,
Ahmad does not believe in following any hadith whilst Md. Tawfiqh
does. This explains the different views.
If you are willing to accept Bukhari hadith then clearly Ameen ought
to be said.
Wassalaam
Farouq Taj
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AYMusa
Salaamun alaikum. Thank you Mohammad Tawfique for giving us
yet another example of hadith that is in direct contradiction
to the Qur'an that Muslims choose to follow instead of adhering
to the Qur'an.
--
AYMusa
AbdulraHman Lomax
as-salamu 'alaykum.
SMa...@news-e2d.gnn.com (safia majdi) wrote:
>After reciting Fatihah during prayer, is it RIGHT or WRONG to say "ameen"
>afterwards? I've read that the word "ameen" isn't even Arabic, and it isn't
>after the Fatihah in the Qur'an, so what is the wisdom behind saying it?
It appears to me that when one is praying alone, it is not necessary
to say "Amiyn."
The basis of saying it when praying after the Imam is a hadith
reported on the authority of Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet, SAS, said,
"When the imam says 'ghayr il maghdubi alayhim wa la d-dallin,' then
say 'Amiyn.'" According to Bakhtiar, Encyclopedia of Islamic Law, this
is accepted by the four Sunni schools, and rejected by the Jafaris
(Shi'a), who deny the authenticity of the hadith. The Jafaris consider
"Amin" an addition to the prayer, and that it invalidates the prayer.
It is true that the word "Amiyn" in not found in the Qur'an, but it is
difficult to argue that it is not Arabic. Certainly it may be of
non-Arabic origin, but, then again, so are many Arabic words.
AbdulraHman Lomax
mar...@gate.ioa.com
P.O. Box 25133
Asheville, NC 28813
AbdulraHman Lomax
as-salamu 'alaykum.
ahme...@aol.com (AHMED OKLA) wrote:
>AA Mariam, I will call a friend or two of mines who agree wtih me to
>responsd to you and say "ameen" is not valid. or may be Tawfique can find
>three people instead of my tow . SEE my point.
If a person begins a posting with AA, nearly every time that person is
either a Khalifite, or has associated with them extensively. I have
rarely seen it from others. Anyway, I was under the impression that it
was required for postings in s.r.i. to be in English. :-)
>It is not what the majority will say, but what God says.
>OPEN YOUR QURAN and look in Sura Fateha, Sura 1, see if there is a "Ameen"
>there ?
Ameen is not part of the Fatihah, and if one were to claim that it is,
one would simply be wrong. The question is not whether Ameen is part
of the Fatihah, but whether or not Ameen is to be said by a
congregation *after* the Fatihah is recited aloud by the Imam. Because
the Sunna on this could be a bit obscure (since the Prophet, SAS,
normally led the prayer, and we are discussing a sunna of the
congregation), it is not surprising that there is a difference of
opinion.
Because of the variance, it is quite likely that the saying of "ameen"
was permitted, but not required. There is a hadith about this, which
has already been cited, in the imperative, but it is well-known that
sometimes the imperative is merely permissive, or is a recommendation
rather than indicating an obligation.
I have never read any claim that the prayer is invalid for a follower
if the follower omits the "Amin." The Jafaris claim that the "Amin" is
an addition to the prayer which invalidates it; this claim seems
extreme to me; apparently the Khalifites join in this claim, which is
typical, since they continually seek for ways to prove that the
majority of Muslims are seriously astray.
>Believe God in the Quran not the people or the scholars.
Especially do not believe the pseudo-scholars among the Khalifites.
Read the Qur'an, seek the means of understanding it, and follow its
commands and prohibitions with caution and intelligence.
AbdulraHman Lomax
as-salamu 'alaykum.
AYMusa <71620...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
Ah, well. I had allowed myself the fantasy that Ayesha had not
completely suffered from Khalifite brain-rot. It is difficult, at
best, to see a contradiction between the Qur'an and a congregation
responding "Amen" to the prayer of the Imam. If there is such a
contradiction, if there is a clear verse on this point, where is it?
One could argue that it is an addition, bid'a, as it were, and this is
the Jafari position; but they do not argue that it is against the
Qur'an, only, really, that it is a practice which was not transmitted
to them; they reject the hadith mentioned.
"amen" is *not* part of the Fatihah. If it were, it would be recited
by the Imam. Actually, the real question is whether or not the
bismillah is part of the Fatihah or not; there is no consensus on this
point. Everyone agrees that there are seven verses in the Fatihah, but
this is where the question of verse division comes in. The two most
common versifications are the Kufan and Madinan systems; now, which
one is more likely to represent the practice of the Prophet?
To say "amen" is a brief form of shahada, if it is said after the
Fatihah has been recited, because it expresses validation of what
precedes it. I disapprove of reciting it when one is praying alone.
AbdulraHman Lomax
as-salamu 'alaykum.
mar...@gate.ioa.com (AbdulraHman Lomax) [that's me!] wrote:
>It is true that the word "Amiyn" in not found in the Qur'an, but it is
>difficult to argue that it is not Arabic. Certainly it may be of
>non-Arabic origin, but, then again, so are many Arabic words.
I should have said that the word is not found in the Qur'an *with the
meaning of 'Amen.'* Of course, the word "amiyn" itself, meaning safe,
secure, or trustworthy, does occur 14 times, such as at 7:68, 26:193,
and 95:3.
I suspect that the meaning of "Amen," i.e., an indication of clear
assent and agreement and "so be it," is derived from the root meaning;
the same is true in Hebrew, from which English gets the word Amen
because of its usage in the Bible.
shawki Hamdan
Salaamun Alaykum,
Daniel (Abdulrahmaan) Lomax wrote:
< I should have said that the word is not found in the Qur'an *with the
meaning of 'Amen.'* Of course, the word "amiyn" itself, meaning safe,
secure, or trustworthy, does occur 14 times, such as at 7:68, 26:193,
and 95:3."
Lomax should not have said anything in the first place. Once more he
displays his improvisation ( BTW, "improvise" here is intened as
"invent", not "improve" ) of what little Arabic he knows by confusing the
words "AAmeem" pronounced in the salat of idolators and "Ameen" which is
a Qur'anic Arabic word meaning "trustworthy". The slight similarity in
pronunciation does not justfy the gross comparison that he has just made.
< I suspect that the meaning of "Amen," i.e., an indication of clear
assent and agreement and "so be it," is derived from the root meaning;
the same is true in Hebrew, from which English gets the word Amen
because of its usage in the Bible.>
I suspect the translators of the Bible should have consulted Lomax before
they decided there was no known origin for the word in scriptural
languages. He would have improvised something as he has a habit of doing
so with many Qur'anic meanings.
So far we have seen his improvisation on the meaning of the words salaat,
Aaya, Aameen, Akaadu, and others. What will be next ?
Wassalaam,
Shawki
Saad Alfoudari
I am not sure of this. But I once heard that the word "Ameen" means
"allahomma istajib". I think that this was in a hadeeth, but I'm not
sure.
salam
G. Fouad Haddad
In article <4pk1p8$c...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, mar...@gate.ioa.com writes...
>"amen" is *not* part of the Fatihah. If it were, it would be recited
>by the Imam.
It *is* recited by the Imam, in the Shafi`i madhhab. And the correct
view is that the congregation must wait for the Imam to say it before
joining him. In other words, they must first hear him recite it.
Fouad Haddad
Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama`a
Mariam Ispahani
farouq (f.) taj wrote:
>
> Ahmad does not believe in following any hadith whilst Md. Tawfiqh
> does. This explains the different views.
>
> If you are willing to accept Bukhari hadith then clearly Ameen ought
> to be said.
Assalaamu alaikum - It bothers me that there are two views. I think
there should be one in this case... either saying AMEEN is valid or it
is not. Whatever the case, I know that I don't say it in my prayers and
I want to know if I am right in doing so. I don't like having split
thoughts! What is the general consensus on AMEEN?
Mariam...(*_*)
http://www.skypoint.com/~mariam
G. Fouad Haddad
In article <4po3ik$r...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Saad Alfoudari <s...@dcs.ed.ac.uk> writes...
SAYING AMIN IN PRAYER AND SUPPLICATION
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1. Imam Bukhari in his "Sahih," Book of Adhan (#10), has a
chapter entitled: "The Imam's Saying Amin Loud" (# 111) in
which he says in the subtitle:
`Ata' said: "Amin is an invocation." Ibn al-Zubayr said
Amin, and all those who were behind him, until the whole
mosque was filled with sound. Abu Hurayra used to call to
the Imam: "Don't finish saying Amin before me." Nafi`
said: "Ibn `Umar never omitted it, and he used to press
them to say it; I hear many good things about it from him."
Then Bukhari relates the following from Abu Hurayra: The
Prophet said: "When the Imam says AMIN, say AMIN, for he
whose AMIN coincides with the AMIN of the angels, his past
sins are fogiven." Ibn Shuhab said: "The Prophet used to
say AMIN (i.e. in Salat)."
Bukhari in the Book of Da`awat (#80: Invocations), chapter
on saying Amin (#63) relates the same hadith as reported
by Abu Hurayra but through Sa`id ibn al-Musayyib.
2. Ibn Hajar in his commentary on these two chapters
mentions the following:
Its meaning according to the vast majority of the scholars
is: "Allahumma istajib" (O Allah, asnwer this plea). Other
meanings are given, which all go back to this one, such
as:
- O Allah, keep us safe with Your goodness;
- So be it;
- It is a level in Paradise which answers him who says it;
- It will be answered as the angels' AMIN is answered;
- It is one of the names of Allah; `Abd al-Razzaq relates
it from Abu Hurayra with a weak chain, and Hilal ibn
Yasaf the Tabi`i also states it;
- It means "We are coming to You," as related from Ja`far
al-Sadiq;
- It is a word in Hebrew or Aramaic;
- Abu Dawud relates from the Companion Abu Zuhayr al-
Numayri that AMIN is like the stamp on a page, and he then
mentions that the Prophet looked at a man making
invocation and said: "If he seals it with AMIN, then he
has been answered." Then the man came to the Prophet and
the latter said to him: "O So-and-so, seal it with AMIN
and be happy with the good news."
- `A'isha said: "The Jews do not envy you for anything
more than giving Salam and saying AMIN." Ibn Majah relates
it and Abu Khuzayma declared it sound (sahih=authentic);
- Ibn Majah also relates through Abu Hurayra: "They do not
envy you for anything more than saying AMIN, so say it a lot."
- Al-Hakim relates from Habib ibn Muslima al-Fihri: I heard
Allah's Messenger say: "No people gather while some of them
make invocation and others say AMIN except Allah answers them."
3. Ibn al-Athir says in his dictionary "al-Nihaya fi
gharib al-hadith wa al-athar", s.v. "amin":
AMIN: Pronounced either AAmEEn or amEEn but the former is
more frequent. Regarding it the hadith is narrated: "Amin
is the seal of the Lord of the Worlds" [Ibn `Adi, Tabarani
in the chapter on Du`a, and Suyuti in "al-Jami` al-
saghir," who mentioned that it is weak]. It means that it
is the seal of Allah on His servants, because disasters
and afflictions are repelled by it, so it acts like the
seal of the book which preserves it from corruption and
exposure... Its meaning is: Allahumma istajib li -- O
Allah, answer my plea. It has also been said that its
meaning is: So be it, in reference to the invocation
made... There is also the hadith: "Amin is one of the
levels of Paradise," that is, he who says it obtains a
certain level in Paradise. And the hadith of Bilal whereby
he asked the Prophet: "O Messenger of Allah, do not finish
saying Amin before me" [Abu Dawud, and Ibn Hajar
authentifies it: Fath al-Bari, Adhan Ch. 111 #780; also
Bayhaqi, Sunan 2:23, 56; Tabarani 1:352, 6:311; Majma` al-
zawa'id 2:113] suggests that Bilal was reciting the
Fatiha in one of two silent prayer-cycles behind the Imam,
and for fear that the Prophet would finish reciting it
before him, he asked him to delay pronouncing Amin so that
his own Amin would coincide with the Prophet's.
Blessings and Peace on the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions
Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wal-Jama`a
URL: http://w.best.com/~informe/mateen/haqqani.htl [in 9 languages]
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email: mat...@sybase.com, gha...@ccmail.sunysb.edu
Jeremiah McAuliffe
Mariam Ispahani <mar...@skypoint.com> wrote:
> either saying AMEEN is valid or it
>is not. Whatever the case, I know that I don't say it in my prayers and
>I want to know if I am right in doing so. I
Salaams,
You want black and white. Life is not that way. Differences among us
are a mercy from God. Your prayer's validity emerges from your heart
and your acting in good faith with what you know....
Beware of the sin of "scruples"-- making your religion a nit-picking,
legalistic concern.
Jeremiah McAuliffe
ali...@city-net.com
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Ali Abbas
Mariam Ispahani (mar...@skypoint.com) wrote:
: Assalaamu alaikum - It bothers me that there are two views. I think
: there should be one in this case... either saying AMEEN is valid or it
: is not. Whatever the case, I know that I don't say it in my prayers and
: I want to know if I am right in doing so. I don't like having split
: thoughts! What is the general consensus on AMEEN?
Wa Alaikum As Sallam's,
This is taken from the book titled 'The Five Schools of Islamic Law', by
Muhammad Jawad Mughniyah, that is now published by Kazi Publ. under the
title 'An Encyclopedia of Islam' [I am not sure of the title, but I do
remember the work being published, translated by Laila Bakhtiar].
The Imamis also consider saying "Ammin" (Amen) during salat
to be haram and a cause for the salat to become batil, irrespective
of whether one is praying individually or as an Imam or mamun,
because it is something adopted by the people, and nothing adopted
by them is capabale of being included in the salat. The four
Sunni schools concur that it is mustahabb in accordance with the
narration of Abu Huraryrah that the Prophet (pbuh&hf) said:
When the Imams says: "ghayr il maghdubi 'alayhim wa la
ddalin", then say "Ammin".
The Imamis negate the authenticity of this tradition
Ref: The Five Schools of Islamic Law, Jawad Mughniyah,
Section # 4, Qira'ah, Chapter: Salat, p 92
Ansariyan Publications, Iran.
With what I have offered, I think that the choice is clear than before, right?
With regards
-- Abbas
Y Rapido
There is no Ameen after reciting Al-Fatihah.
Theocracy LOVES ceremony, additional protocol, mysterium, RITUAL ...
Generally it helps in promotion of its role and it is intended to
increase submissivness of people to its own "coreography", ceremony,
dogma and RITUAL. "The works". It is "living bread" of many a religion,
Christianity, for example, and also inheritance of pagan rituals and
complicated dogmatic schemes -- mostly perpetuated to "mystify" the
gullible masses. That is Theocracy's own "folklore" that increases and
promotes its stature, importance and overlordship.
In Islam, it is uncalled for in many instances, such as this case of
Ameen after Al-Fatihah (self recited or after imam ...).
AYMusa
Salaamun alaikum. The fact is that bismillah is a part of al-fatiha.
Anyone who doubts this need only look in the Qur'an. "Ameen" is
not a part of al-Fatiha. Anyone who doubts this also need only look
in the Qur'an.
--
AYMusa
AHMED OKLA
Ali Abbas writes:
Subject: Re: "Ameen" after reciting Al-Fatihah
From: ab...@seas.gwu.edu (Ali Abbas)
Date: 14 Jun 1996 09:55:28 GMT
>> The Imamis also consider saying "Ammin" (Amen) during salat
to be haram and a cause for the salat to become batil,
irrespective
of whether one is praying individually or as an Imam or mamun,<<
Here, Ali Abbas got it right but from the wrong source. That is the
miserable situation of many Muslims. They refuse the truth of the Quran
and
go for human sources instead.
Ameen was never from the Quran or from Islam. Because of some fabricated
hadiths they added it to our Salat . All Muslims can open their Quran to
find NO AMEEN in sura 1. Adding to the Quran or to the salat is a
guaranteed
way to the opposite direction of Heaven.
>> When the Imams says: "ghayr il maghdubi 'alayhim wa la
ddalin", then say "Ammin".
The Imamis negate the authenticity of this tradition
<<
And that is exactly why God told us to accept NO OTHER HADITH but God's .
"Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the
earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever
occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which
HADITH, besides this do they believe in?" 7:185
God also give us exactly the example of what is going on here on this
discussion about Ameen.
"God cites the Example of a man who deals with disputing partners (i.e.
Hadith), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source
(i.e.Quran). Are they the same ? Praise be to God; most of them do not
know.
(39:29)
SALAM
AHMED
Tom Pastuszak
Mariam wrote,
> Assalaamu alaikum - It bothers me that there are two views. I think
> there should be one in this case... either saying AMEEN is valid or it
> is not. Whatever the case, I know that I don't say it in my prayers and
> I want to know if I am right in doing so. I don't like having split
> thoughts! What is the general consensus on AMEEN?
This question has been answered well already by various posters. It is
important to avoid developing a thing about the ameen matter while you
make up your mind about the evidence presented. The obligation to perform
salat goes on while you convince yourself of the validity of the various
opinions. It is important to observe that saying ameen is not required,
and it is not a sin to leave it out (except with regard to the Dhirhiri
"school", which has been extinct for some time now).
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Mikaeel
It is always important to check the authenticity of an Hadeeth. It is my
understanding that the hadeeths mentioning AMEEN at the end of fatihah are
authentic. So there fore the one from Ahmed must be a fabrication. It is
in all likley hood daef (a weak hadeeth).
Mariam Ispahani
Tom Pastuszak wrote:
>
> This question has been answered well already by various posters. It is
> important to avoid developing a thing about the ameen matter while you
> make up your mind about the evidence presented. The obligation to perform
> salat goes on while you convince yourself of the validity of the various
> opinions. It is important to observe that saying ameen is not required,
> and it is not a sin to leave it out (except with regard to the Dhirhiri
> "school", which has been extinct for some time now).
Assalaamu alaikum - I read what everyone said and I am glad we had
this discussion! I choose not to say "ameen" and I am not going to
let such little things get in the way of my beliefs and confuse me :)
I am sure even if I had been saying "ameen" for the last x prayers
Allah would have forgiven me for not knowing what was right. I DON'T
look at religion as... "Oh, my gosh, you didn't say it? You will go
to hell!"
Mariam...(*_*)
http://www.skypoint.com/~mariam
shawki Hamdan
Bismillahirrahmaanirraheem
Salaamun Alaykum
Mariam Ispahani wrote
<Assalaamu alaikum - I read what everyone said and I am glad we had
this discussion! I choose not to say "ameen" and I am not going to
let such little things get in the way of my beliefs and confuse me :)
I am sure even if I had been saying "ameen" for the last x prayers
Allah would have forgiven me for not knowing what was right. I DON'T
look at religion as... "Oh, my gosh, you didn't say it? You will go
to hell!">
God bless you my sister ! This is clear display of the spirit of getting
guided. One should not dwell on past errors. God is Most Forgiver and
Most Merciful. It is of utmost importance that we devote our Salaat
prayers, as well as all our belief and other practices to God alone. He
alone will be the Judge on the Day we meet Him. No one has the power of
intercession unless we have clearly been accepted by God. People have
long abused Qur'anic verses to give prophets more power than God has
instilled in them.
There really is one, and only one, means for salvation. We should turn to
God alone as our savior, no intermediaries, and no human interpretation
or intervention. This what God says when he says "i'budu Allaha
mukhliseena lahu al-deen" or "Worship God devoting the religion
absulutely to Him".
Praise and Glory to God alone ! May He guide us all to the straight path.
Wassalaam,
Shawki
John Michael Janney
> Naqshbandi-Haqqani Foundation of Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama`a
I am posting this as a post-reply, because that is the only way I know how...
As-Salaamu Alaykum Dear Respected Brothers and Sisters in Islam,
I am writing you regarding the truth about what many people have called "this
millinium's foremost Islamic scholar." W.D. Muhhammed of the once called Nation of
Islam. I have witnessed many corruptions in his "ministry."
1. the introduction of music into Islam.
2. women performing (dancing and singing) infront of many people (men and women) .
3. the spreading of denial of the importance of the Sunnah
a. they claim that technology is better
b. to claim this they claim that man is better than Allah!
c. they claim that the Sunnah is not needed anymore (modernization)
4. a poster of W.D. Muhammed (his face infront of the Prophet's-pbuh- mosque in
Madinah, speaking into microphones) sold for five dollars in his ministry's
publication: "Muslim Journal"
a. check out the center fold
b. almost every page is covered with propoganda about W.D. Mohammed
c. check out the "Muslim Journal's" editorial policy!!!
to promote W.D. Mohammed's ministry!!!
The worst lie is one that poses as the truth.
Salaam,
Yahya
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<a href="http://sushi.st.usm.edu/~jmjanney/isa">MSA@USM</a><br>
AHMED OKLA
Mariam wrote;
Subject: Re: "Ameen" after reciting Al-Fatihah
From: Mariam Ispahani <mar...@skypoint.com>
Date: 13 Jun 1996 15:26:25 GMT
>> Assalaamu alaikum - It bothers me that there are two views. I think
there should be one in this case... either saying AMEEN is valid or it
is not.<<
God allows the truth and faslehood in this life so people make their
choice. It was us , the human beings, who requested this freedom of
choice. There will always be two views one for the good and one for the
bad.
>> Whatever the case, I know that I don't say it in my prayers <<
Congratulation on follwoing the word of God in the Quran. There is no
AMEEN in the Quran.
>> and I want to know if I am right in doing so.<<
What do you want to judge for you better than the Quran ? A. Lomax ?!
>> I don't like having split thoughts! What is the general consensus on
AMEEN?<<
The general consensus among the Christians is that Jesus is the son of
God, do you accept hsi consensus ?
[12:103]
Most people, no matter what you do, will not believe.
[12:104]
You are not asking them for any money; you simply deliver
this reminder for all the people.
[12:105]
So many proofs in the heavens and the earth are given to
them, but they pass by them, heedlessly!
[12:106]
The majority of those who believe in GOD do not do so
without committing idol worship.
DO NOT DEPEND ON THE MAJORITY. DEPEND INSTEAD ON GOD.
Choose the Quran, not the consensus, you win.
SALAM
AHMED
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Monther Ali
Assalaamu alaikum;
Fact is "Aameen" or "ameen" is not Arabic. It is Hebrew.
Fact. So let's see what GOD has to say on the subject:
"We did not send any messenger except (to preach) in the
tongue of his people, in order to explain to them.GOD then misleads whomever
HE wills, and guides whomever HE wills. HE is the Almighty, the Most wise."
(14:4 Quran)
"We are fully aware that they say, "A human being is
teaching him!" The tongue of the source they hint at is non-Arabic, and this
is a perfect Arabic tongue." (16:103 Quran)
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The choice is ours to believe GOD or that long list of
people you and others claim transmitted yet a longer chain of hearsay.
LAA ELAAHA ELLAA ALLAH
Salaam,Shalom,Peace;
monthir