Moderator Vacancy Investigation: soc.religion.christian
Alexander Bartolich
moderated group soc.religion.christian
This is a formal Moderator Vacancy Investigation (MVI), begun because
moderated newsgroup soc.religion.christian is not functioning,
and may have been abandoned by its moderator(s).
This investigation will attempt to verify the reasons for non-function,
and may result in the removal of the group or the selection and instal-
lation of a new moderator. In practice, the Big-8 Management Board
considers the third alternative--changing the status of the group from
moderated to unmoderated--as likely to cause more harm than good.
RATIONALE:
According to David Kleinecke the group has stopped functioning.
The last post was approved on 2009-09-30.
A probe post showed no result.
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
soc.religion.christian Christianity and related topics. (Moderated)
DISTRIBUTION:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
soc.religion.christian
soc.misc
CHARTER OF SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN
n/a
HISTORY OF THE GROUP:
The first recorded newgroup control is dated 1991-05-23.
It contained a tagline but no charter.
PROPONENT:
Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>
PROCEDURE:
Those who wish to comment on this moderator vacancy investigation should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant
threads in that newsgroup.
To this end, the followup header of this MVI has been set to
news.groups.proposals.
For more information on the MVI process, please see
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:mvi
CHANGE HISTORY:
2010-02-27 Probe post
2010-03-07 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
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Alexander Bartolich
moderated group soc.religion.christian
This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to change moderators of
newsgroup soc.religion.christian, or to remove this group.
RATIONALE:
According to David Kleinecke the group has stopped functioning.
The last post was approved on 2009-09-30.
A probe post showed no result.
David Kleinecke sent a mail in which he volunteered to take over moderation.
Timothy Sutter wrote in news.groups.proposals that is willing to moderate it.
Message-ID: <4BA557...@lycos.com>
Perceived shortcomings of these offers:
- moderation team too small
- no policy for replacement of inactive members
- no concept for moderaton/revival of group
- no details on technical implementation
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
soc.religion.christian Christianity and related topics. (Moderated)
DISTRIBUTION:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
soc.religion.christian
soc.misc
CHARTER OF SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN
n/a
HISTORY OF THE GROUP:
The first recorded newgroup control is dated 1991-05-23.
It contained a tagline but no charter.
PROPONENT:
Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>
PROCEDURE:
Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.
To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.
In the course of the removal process four formal announcements are posted
(MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, and LCC), each taking two weeks. At the end of the
process the B8MB will vote on the issue.
Available options for soc.religion.christian are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group
For more information on the MVI process, please see
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:mvi
CHANGE HISTORY:
2010-02-27 Probe post
2010-03-07 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-03-21 1st RFD
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Timothy Sutter
> On 2010-03-22 3:15 PM, Timothy Sutter wrote:
> > Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
> >> It shouldn't cost you money, just time. But you will need to acquire
> >> some technical skills.
> > time i can manage
> > wilingness i have
> > technical prowess i can acquire
> That really should be enough, but I will leave it for others more
> experienced in these matters to judge.
> > "control message" priveleges, could be a problem.
> Ah. I hadn't thought of that.
i can send a control message,
but this is a "test"
so, please, don't complain...
and, for reader.news4all.se
please, this is a test and not
a "third party control message"
as i understand the thing...
of course, volume may be low
and at my discretion, and i may need
formal permission from reader.news4all.se
this is just a test.
> Have you looked at Individual.net. They are not free, but they are very
> inexpensive (10 Euro per year). They don't allow control messages as a
> rule, but if you are a group moderator, you can have control messages
> allowed.
>
> http://individual.net/faq.php#1.11
>
> It may be that other providers who say "no control messages" also have
> mechanisms to make exceptions for moderators.
Alexander Bartolich
moderated group soc.religion.christian
This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to remove moderated
newsgroup soc.religion.christian.
RATIONALE:
According to David Kleinecke the group has stopped functioning.
The last post was approved on 2009-09-30.
A probe post showed no result.
David Kleinecke sent a mail in which he volunteered to take over mod-
eration. However, on 2010-03-21 he declared that he has no desire to
do so.
Message-ID: <20a2068a-c67c-42e5...@s2g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
Timothy Sutter posted to news.groups.proposals that he is willing to
moderate soc.religion.christian.
Message-ID: <4BA557...@lycos.com>
However, his erratic behavior in the following discussions, a series
of about 40 posts to soc.religion.christian using rogue approvals, and
the contents of alt.god.timothy.sutter show that he is unsuitable. He
should never have been listed as an option. The proponent apologizes
for not doing a background check in advance.
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
DISTRIBUTION:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
soc.religion.christian
soc.misc
CHARTER OF SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN
n/a
HISTORY OF THE GROUP:
PROPONENT:
Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>
PROCEDURE:
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:mvi
CHANGE HISTORY:
2010-03-21 1st RFD (change moderator or remove)
2010-04-01 2nd RFD (remove)
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Alexander Bartolich
moderated group soc.religion.christian
This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) to change moderators of
newsgroup soc.religion.christian, or to remove this group.
RATIONALE:
According to David Kleinecke the group has stopped functioning.
The last post was approved on 2009-09-30.
A probe post showed no result.
David Kleinecke sent a mail in which he volunteered to take over modera-
tion. In response to the 1st RFD he declared on 2010-03-21 that he has
no desire to moderate. In response to the 2nd RFD he wrote on 2010-04-02
that his offer still stands. These two messages are his only contribution
to the discussion in NGP.
Message-ID: <20a2068a-c67c-42e5...@s2g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <59f34b8b-5aaf-463b...@j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
Timothy Sutter posted to news.groups.proposals that he is willing to
moderate soc.religion.christian.
However, his erratic behavior in the following discussions, a series
of about 40 posts to soc.religion.christian using rogue approvals, and
the contents of alt.god.timothy.sutter show that he is unsuitable. He
should never have been listed as an option. The proponent apologizes
for not doing a background check in advance.
Message-ID: <4BA557...@lycos.com>
Helmut Richter wrote that he would give it a try if three other team
members could be found.
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.64.10...@lxhri01.lrz.lrz-muenchen.de>
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
soc.religion.christian Christianity and related topics. (Moderated)
DISTRIBUTION:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
soc.religion.christian
soc.misc
CHARTER OF SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN
n/a
HISTORY OF THE GROUP:
The first recorded newgroup control is dated 1991-05-23.
It contained a tagline but no charter.
PROPONENT:
Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>
PROCEDURE:
Those who wish to comment on this request to remove this newsgroup should
subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads
in that newsgroup.
To this end, the followup header of this RFD has been set to
news.groups.proposals.
A 4th RFD is planned for 2010-05-02. The Last Call for Comments should
get published on 2010-05-16. A week later the B8MB will vote on the
issue.
Available options for soc.religion.christian are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group
- appoint David Kleinecke as new moderator
For more information on the MVI process, please see
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:mvi
CHANGE HISTORY:
2010-02-27 Probe post
2010-03-07 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-03-21 1st RFD (change moderator or remove)
2010-04-01 2nd RFD (remove)
2010-04-19 3rd RFD (change moderator or remove)
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Big-8 Management Board
RATIONALE:
Message-ID: <20a2068a-c67c-42e5...@s2g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <59f34b8b-5aaf-463b...@j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <4BA557...@lycos.com>
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.64.10...@lxhri01.lrz.lrz-muenchen.de>
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
DISTRIBUTION:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
soc.religion.christian
soc.misc
CHARTER OF SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN
n/a
HISTORY OF THE GROUP:
PROPONENT:
Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>
PROCEDURE:
In the course of this removal process four formal announcements have
been posted (MVI, 1st RFD, 2nd RFD, 3rd RFD). Five days after publica-
tion of the LCC the B8MB will vote on the issue.
Available options for soc.religion.christian are:
- leave the group as it is
- remove the group
- appoint David Kleinecke as new moderator
For more information on the MVI process, please see
http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=policies:mvi
CHANGE HISTORY:
2010-02-27 Probe post
2010-03-07 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-03-21 1st RFD (change moderator or remove)
2010-04-01 2nd RFD (remove)
2010-04-19 3rd RFD (change moderator or remove)
2010-05-18 LCC
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Big-8 Management Board
soc.religion.christian will be removed
The Last Call for Comments (LCC) on 2010-05-18 initiated a five-day
period for final comments. Following this comment period, the Big-8
Management Board has decided by vote to remove moderated group
soc.religion.christian.
Vote results:
1 vote for "appoint David Kleinecke as new moderator"
7 votes for "remove group"
1 vote for "keep group as it is"
1 vote for "abstain"
10 votes total
RATIONALE:
Message-ID: <20a2068a-c67c-42e5...@s2g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <59f34b8b-5aaf-463b...@j21g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>
Message-ID: <4BA557...@lycos.com>
Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.64.10...@lxhri01.lrz.lrz-muenchen.de>
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
DISTRIBUTION:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups.proposals
soc.religion.christian
soc.misc
CHARTER OF SOC.RELIGION.CHRISTIAN
n/a
HISTORY OF THE GROUP:
PROPONENT:
Alexander Bartolich <alexander...@gmx.at>
CHANGE HISTORY:
2010-02-27 Probe post
2010-03-07 Moderator Vacancy Investigation
2010-03-21 1st RFD (change moderator or remove)
2010-04-01 2nd RFD (remove)
2010-04-19 3rd RFD (change moderator or remove)
2010-05-18 LCC
2010-05-26 RESULT
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