Faith Not Repentance

[Frank]

Faith in Christ is all that is required for salvation.
Faith is not repentance,
not in any way, shape, or form.
Repentance is about our "righteousness".
Salvation is not about our "righteousness" at all.
Faith is about the righteousness of Christ.
Faith in a single moment, trusts Christ
to be our Substitution so we have eternal life forever.
Christ justifies the ungodly.
There is only One who is godly, and that is Christ.
The ungodly do not have to know
that they are ungodly to be saved,
but usually do know at least in part.
This is what they need to know: Christ who is God,
became our Righteous Substitute.
Anyone who trusts Christ to be their Substitution
has eternal life.
Almighty God being on the cross,
by itself shows forever that he is our Substitution,
that his righteousness and his victory
are that required for salvation,
and that there was no other way
for him to give us eternal life.
Only those that trust Christ to be their Substitution,
so that he regards his own righteousness as theirs,
are godly by Gospel standards.
After Christ gives us faith
to stop trusting our "righteousness"
and start trusting him to be our Righteous Substitute
so he regards his righteousness and victory ours,
which is justification by faith,
then after so being justified, declared righteous, saved,
Christ then comes into us to live his life in us,
and to do as he desires to do,
in being our desire and power to do.

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[Bart Goddard]

"Frank" <roi...@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:6950EB3E-DF2F-F2D3...@art.srcbs.org:

> Faith in Christ is all that is required for salvation.

So it's not necessary for Christ even to exist, but
merely for a man to "have faith", and he'll be saved.
Salvation by works at it's most pernicious.

B.

--
Cheerfully resisting change since 1959.

[lsen...@hotmail.com]

On Oct 2, 9:13=A0am, Bart Goddard <goddar...@netscape.net> wrote:
> "Frank" <roi...@mindspring.com> wrote innews:6950EB3E-DF2F-F2D3-D6A6-7B17=
2B3A...@art.srcbs.org:

>
> > Faith in Christ is all that is required for salvation.
>
> So it's not necessary for Christ even to exist, but
> merely for a man to "have faith", and he'll be saved.
> Salvation by works at it's most pernicious.
>

Acceptable faith is only achieved because Christ does exist
and fulfilled the mysterious Christ-event. The object of
efficacious faith has changed from age to age (Rom 4) but
faith has always been the only means by which to respond
to the salvation available.

Is this not the Pauline argument in both Galatians and Romans?
Certainly this is one of the fundamental arguments is Romans.
That salvation is nothing that man can achieve on his own,
helped or otherwise. It is something which is accomplished
for him. Faith is the response to the gracious gift of God.
Faith only occurs after regeneration. Rom 1-3 declares that
man is dead as far as orienting himself rightly toward God.
None seeks after God. Eph 1 also teaches that it is all
a work of God. Therefore, man must first be born from above
and possess the regenerated spirit before he can respond
to such love in faith.

Satan's most serious and unending ploy is always to confuse
the issue of salvation. And because the gospel is so elemental,
-believe and be saved- Satan must add to it to corrupt it.

[Bart Goddard]

lsen...@hotmail.com wrote in news:51663B07-24C7-BD69-842B-
BD8A61...@art.srcbs.org:

>> > Faith in Christ is all that is required for salvation.
>>
>> So it's not necessary for Christ even to exist, but
>> merely for a man to "have faith", and he'll be saved.
>> Salvation by works at it's most pernicious.
>>
> Acceptable faith is only achieved because Christ does exist
> and fulfilled the mysterious Christ-event.

Yeah, all sensible people know how it works. The point
here is that "Frank" has "faith in faith". The object of
the faith is irrelevant according to his statement above.

You're still having much trouble with "affirmed consequent"
types of errors, I see. This is why you can't understand
what others write, and why your writing is so outre.

B.

--
Cheerfully resisting change since 1959.

[lsen...@hotmail.com]

On Oct 5, 9:23=A0pm, Bart Goddard <goddar...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> You're still having much trouble with "affirmed consequent"

> types of errors, I see. =A0This is why you can't understand

> what others write, and why your writing is so outre.
>

As they say, *actions speak louder than words.* One of major
beefs with Matthew was his all too evident lack of the fruit of
the Spirit. Your reply here is all too similar to his. *Faith
without works is dead* you know.

[Bart Goddard]

lsen...@hotmail.com wrote in
news:A84C2015-94E3-E830...@art.srcbs.org:

>
> On Oct 5, 9:23=A0pm, Bart Goddard <goddar...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>> You're still having much trouble with "affirmed consequent"
>> types of errors, I see. =A0This is why you can't understand
>> what others write, and why your writing is so outre.
>>
> As they say, *actions speak louder than words.* One of major
> beefs with Matthew was his all too evident lack of the fruit of
> the Spirit. Your reply here is all too similar to his. *Faith
> without works is dead* you know.

If you can't answer the point, fine, but the plain fact is,
you committed a horrible logical fallacy (and you do so
quite regularly.) What if, instead of getting all huffy,
you went and did a little studying on the fallacy of
the affirmed consequent and see if it applied. Self-examination
is surely in your list of "fruits of the Spirit."

Besides, who are you to tell us what is and is not a "fruit
of the Spirit"? Jesus whipped the money changers and Elijah
called fire down on the prophets of Baal. Just because you
mom spanks you, doesn't mean she acting for Satan.

B.

--
Cheerfully resisting change since 1959.