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Sunday, September 26, 1993, 21:13 EDT
Arms Discussion Digest
Volume 11 : Issue 10

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Today's topics:

Re: Arms-Discussion Digest V11 #9 ("G. Simon Harak, S. J.)
introduction and cold war ("Trish Barker")
INFO FROM NATO HQ: NATODATA and NATOSCI (Chris Scheurweghs)

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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1993 00:08 EST
From: "G. Simon Harak, S. J. <HA...@LOYVAX.BITNET>
Subject: Re: Arms-Discussion Digest V11 #9

Dear People!

Glad to see my statements have stirred such commentary.

Have just moved to Baltimore.

A few things: What I was arguing against, was the reductionistic
analysis that "we had spent the Soviet Union into the ground,"
and that that (alone, or even majorly) was the cause of the
collapse. I was arguing that there were many more factors, not
the least of which was the courageous resistance of peoples
throughout the years to the dictatorship. It's always much
easier to deal with figures than with human factors, and that is
why, I assume, no one took me up on the rather intriguing (to me)
invitation to reflect more deeply on those other factors. Things
like that ARE discussed, for example, in Glen Stassen's JUST
PEACEMAKING.

The figure of 3% comes not from me, but from CIA reports through
the years (also, I believe, discussed in Stassen's book). Again,
I am NOT arguing that Soviet military spending was
inconsequential in their collapse.

There WAS a brief article in the NEW YORK TIMES some years ago on
how (even with the 3% figure), the CIA inflated Soviet military
spending figures. I think I must've thrown it away -- sorry --
during my move here, since I looked for it (SEE how conscientious
I am!) but couldn't find it. It was entitled something like "How
the CIA Inflates Soviet Defense Expenditures." I haven't the
time right now to look it up in the library on-line [I'm trying
to finish an article on the new mininukes, which some of you have
helped me on with references], but I'm sure any one who wanted
to, could. [Or, if the clamor gets absolutely clamorous, I'd try
to find the time for the TIMES search]. Alternatively, the
alternate press (THE NATION, stuff from the Center for Defense
Information, etc.) can give ongoing (even BEFORE the collapse)
analyses of Soviet military spending.

Another point: I've kind of gotten beyond "conspiracy" theories
in trying to understand why we spend so much money on the
military. Too much "intentionality" to be proven. Am presently
trying out new structural theories, like addictive structures, to
explain why, for example, we spend some 50% of our discretionary
budget on the military. Mr. Altman is right when he says that
military needs pale in regard to welfare needs. But welfare
spending pales in respect to military spending. Unless we want
to attribute a "conspiracy" theory to POLITICIANS (instead of the
military), it seems to me we would have to look more deeply for
the sources of these anomolies than just military or just
politics. And that gets back to my "other factors than military
spending" idea about trying to control arms (and arms spending).

So I WOULD like to re-issue what may have been too subtle an
invitation: a discussion of factors other than military spending
and threatening that can or could diffuse inimical postures
between nations -- or arms races WITHIN nations.

In the meantime, thanks for all the feedback...


G. Simon Harak, S. J.

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Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1993 14:41:06 -0600 (CST)
From: "Trish Barker" <tlba...@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu>
Subject: introduction and cold war

Hello! My name is Trish Barker and I am an undergraduate student
at Illinois State University majoring in Political Science and
Journalism. I'm new to e-mail, so I hope you will correct me if
I screw up.

I have been reading Noam Chomsky's book "Deterring Democracy" and
I'm intrigued by his view of the Cold War. If I understand
correctly, Chomsky believes that the Soviet threat was
predominantly a boogeyman manufactured by the American government
to justify its policies in the Third World. I'm interested in
hearing any opinions you have to offer on this topic. Thanks.

Trish Barker
Illinois State University
Walker 202
Normal Il 61761
436-0393
pithy quote of the day: "What fresh Hell is this?" D. Parker

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complete.2 Statement issued at the extraordinary
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complete2.1 Work plan or Dialogue, Partnership and
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complete.3 Statement issued at the meeting of Defence
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nac106.92 Ministerial mtg NAC, NATO HQ,
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nacc108.92 Statement on former Yugoslavia, NACC
Ministerial
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nacc110.92r Work plan for dialogue, partnership and
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dpcnpg1.93 Final communique, M-DPC/NPG-1(93)36,
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nacc9.93 Reports to Ministers by NACC ad hoc group on
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States
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af2304.1 Operation deny flight
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af2804.1 Operation deny flight
af2904.1 Operation deny flight
af0105.1 Operation deny flight
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cmcalban93 Chairman NATO Military Committee to visit
Albania
prag2206 Chairman NATO Military Committee to visit
The Zcech Republic
ace2104.1 ACE news 21 April 1993 on Arena Exchange 93
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ak246pc.e Sub-Committee on the Southern Region.
Emerging security challenges, NATO Rapid
Reaction Force - Draft Interim Report -
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Order - From Stockholm to Budapest: CSCE
and the challange of change - Draft
Interim Report - Mr. Loic Bouvard (France)
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foundation stones of the democratic comm. Of
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rome.asc Speech by sec.Gen. at The Centro Alti Studi
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pr26.93 First joint multinational inspection under
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March 1993
pr29.93 NATO starts operation of No-Fly Zone
enforcement, 12 April 1993
pr31.93 Letter of condolences from the Secretary
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April 1993
pr33.93 Statement by Sec.Gen. on UN Peace plan by
Mr.Karadzic, 2 May 1993
pr37.93 NATO Research Fellowship Programme
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pr43.93 Visit by the Chairman of Parliament and Head
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pr44.93 Appointment of NATO Spokesman, 23 June 1993
pr45.93 NACC High Level Seminar on Peacekeeping
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pr47.93 1993 NATO Economique Colloquium
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pr49.93 SecGen Condolences to Belgian Queen,
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pr52.93 Decisions taken at the meeting of the NAC,
on 9th August 1993
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9206-1 Manfred Worner
A vigorous Alliance - a motor for
peaceful change in Europe
9206-2 John Weston
The challenges to NATO : a British view
9206-3 Ferenc Gazdag
Does the West understand Central and East
Europe?
9206-4 Theodore Christodoulides
The European security order : a Greek view
9206-5 Otmar Lahodynsky
The changing face of Austrian neutrality
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The new Russia and the Atlantic Alliance
9301-2 Audrius Butkevicius
The Baltic region in post-Cold War Europe
9301-3 Jaakko Blomberg
Finland's evolving security policy
9301-4 Gregory L.Schulte
NATO's nuclear forces in a changing world
9301-5 Keith L.Gardner
Technology development in NATO
9302-1 President Bill Clinton
Letter to NATO Review readers
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Preparing the ground for an Alliance
peacekeeping role
9302-3 Boyke Noev
More optimism for the Balkans
9302-4 Gregor Schollgen
Putting Germany's post-unification foreign
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9302-5 Robin Beard
NATO armaments cooperation in the 1990s
9302-6 Ying-jeou Ma
Taipei-Beijing relations and East Asian
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Poland's European perspective
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Russia after the Referendum
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Europe and the Alliance:
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NATO's changing role - opportunities and
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9303-5 Victor-Yves Ghebali
The CSCE Forum for Security Cooperation:
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9303-6 Alberto Miguez
Argentina's budding relations with NATO
9304-1 Warren Christopher
Towards a NATO Summit
9304-2 Eduard Shevardnadze
Georgia's security outlook
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Ukrainian security and the nuclear dilemma
9304-4 Douglas Stuart
NATO's future as a pan-European security
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NATO's economic cooperation with NACC
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Shared civil/military usage of NATO
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