Grand Lodges of New York and Washington DC
Torence
broke off communications with the Grand Lodge of Washington D.C. over
disputed lodges in Lebannon. Can anyone report whether these Grand
Lodges have made up; and what, if any, action the Grand Lodge of
Scotland took which also has lodges in Lebannon?
Fraternally,
Torence Evans Ake
Senior Deacon - Auburn Park Lodge No. 789 - Crete, Illinois
PM - Arcadia Lodge No. 1138 - Lansing, Illinois
ptk1071
> � �At the beginning of this year, th Grand Lodge of New York F & AM
Bro. Torence,
Here is a link to the pronouncements and the Grand Master of Masons of
the State of New York's last speech where he discusses the matter.
http://www.potunklodge.org/docs/Address_of_the_Most_Worshipful_Grand_Master_2009.pdf
The relevant portion is in the middle of page 9. In summary the GL of
DC complied with all the resolution or requests by the GL of NY.
Fraternally,
Bro. Bill Arnold
Jr. Deacon/Webmaster
Potunk Lodge # 1071, Westhampton, NY
www.potunklodge.org
tp
> On Jul 11, 10:57�pm, Torence <torence...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > � �At the beginning of this year, th Grand Lodge of New York F & AM
> > broke off communications with the Grand Lodge of Washington D.C. over
> > disputed lodges in Lebannon. Can anyone report whether these Grand
> > Lodges have made up; and what, if any, action the Grand Lodge of
> > Scotland took which also has lodges in Lebannon?
>
> > Fraternally,
> > Torence Evans Ake
> > Senior Deacon - Auburn Park Lodge No. 789 - Crete, Illinois
> > PM - Arcadia Lodge No. 1138 - Lansing, Illinois
>
> Bro. Torence,
>
> Here is a link to the pronouncements and the Grand Master of Masons of
> The relevant portion is in the middle of page 9. In summary the GL of
> DC complied with all the resolution or requests by the GL of NY.
>
> Fraternally,
> Bro. Bill Arnold
> Jr. Deacon/Webmaster
> Potunk Lodge # 1071, Westhampton, NYwww.potunklodge.org
Yes, a Sovereign body of Masons basically complied with the demands of
another Sovereign body, and abrogated its Sovereignty under threat of
Masonic force.
I call that giving in to blackmail.
Eddy
i would like to know more about lodges in Lebanon, i might go there soon,
Fraternally,
BroEd
32d-SR-DC
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ptk1071
> On Jul 12, 11:25�am, ptk1071 <billarn...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 10:57�pm, Torence <torence...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > � �At the beginning of this year, th Grand Lodge of New York F & AM
> > > broke off communications with the Grand Lodge of Washington D.C. over
> > > Lodges have made up; and what, if any, action the Grand Lodge of
>
> > > Fraternally,
> > > Torence Evans Ake
> > > Senior Deacon - Auburn Park Lodge No. 789 - Crete, Illinois
> > > PM - Arcadia Lodge No. 1138 - Lansing, Illinois
>
> > Bro. Torence,
>
> > Here is a link to the pronouncements and the Grand Master of Masons of
> > the State of New York's last speech where he discusses the matter.http://www.potunklodge.org/docs/Address_of_the_Most_Worshipful_Grand_...
> > The relevant portion is in the middle of page 9. In summary the GL of
> > DC complied with all the resolution or requests by the GL of NY.
>
> > Fraternally,
> > Bro. Bill Arnold
> > Jr. Deacon/Webmaster
> > Potunk Lodge # 1071, Westhampton, NYwww.potunklodge.org
>
> Yes, a Sovereign body of Masons basically complied with the demands of
> another Sovereign body, and abrogated its Sovereignty under threat of
> Masonic force.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
There was no Blackmail. The GLoDC constituted a lodge in a place where
there was another GL already established. As well the founding members
were suspended Masons from the GLoNY. GLoNY thought rightly that the
GLoDC should have asked first and not allowed suspended Masons to
found anything.
ptk1071
> Brethren,
>
> i would like to know more about lodges in Lebanon, i might go there soon,
>
> Fraternally,
> BroEd
>
> - Show quoted text -
Eddy: I would direct you to the GLoNY (www.nymasons.org) or the GLoS
(www.grandlodgescotland.com) for information regarding lodges in
Lebanon. I am not sure what the status is at this point.
tp
> There was no Blackmail. The GLoDC constituted a lodge in a place where
> there was another GL already established.
No, where there were MULTIPLE grand lodges PRESENT.
No GL is established in Lebanon at this time that is currently
recognized by UGLE, GLoS, GLoI, or GLMA.
There may be DISTRICT GL's, but this has NEVER stopped any of the
three "home" GL's from establishing a Lodge - witness Sri Lanka.
As well the founding members.
> were suspended Masons from the GLoNY. GLoNY thought rightly that the
> GLoDC should have asked first and not allowed suspended Masons to
> found anything.
>From what I saw, GL NY suspended men after they had submitted their
demits.
ptk1071
All that I have read on this subject suggest that there were 2 GLs
established there. GLoS and GLoNY. There is and agreement between them
with regards to establishing new lodges. So the GLoDC comes along and
ignores both? Well that's not very neighborly is it. And in its stated
letter to the GLoNY, the GLoDC basically acknowledged that the status
of the founding members were under suspension, not a demit. The
members in question attempted to demit after they were suspended. It
does not work that way.
tp
> All that I have read on this subject suggest that there were 2 GLs
> established there. GLoS and GLoNY. There is and agreement between them
> with regards to establishing new lodges. So the GLoDC comes along and
> ignores both? Well that's not very neighborly is it.
There was NO agreement between NY and Scotland in 1924 or 1955.
The Grand Lodge of New York chartered two lodges in Lebanon in 1924
and all records, including the official proceedings of the Grand Lodge
of New York, show that neither permission from nor consent was granted
by the Grand Lodge of Scotland.
In 1955, following an attempt by the Grand Lodge of New York to
establish a Grand Lodge of Lebanon, which, according to non-documented
but widely accepted legend among Freemasons in Lebanon of all
jurisdictions was rejected by the Grand Lodge of Scotland, the Grand
Lodge of New York went ahead and established the District Grand Lodge
of Syria-Lebanon under its own grand jurisdiction without seeking the
consent of the Grand Lodge of Scotland. The official proceedings of
the Grand Lodge of New York reflect that no consent was sought from
the Grand Lodge of Scotland prior to establishing the District Grand
Lodge of Syria-Lebanon.
In 1988, the Grand Orient of Italy, the only recognized regular Grand
Lodge in Italy, issued a charter to “Fraternita Italo-Lebanese Lodge
No. 1073 in the city of Jounieh, Lebanon without asking permission
from or obtaining the consent of either the Grand Lodge of Scotland or
the Grand Lodge of New York.
In 2002, the Regular Grand Lodge of Italy (consecrated in 1993 by the
United Grand Lodge of England after the latter broke amity with the
Grand Orient of Italy) re-chartered under its own jurisdiction in
Lebanon “Fraternita Italo-Lebanese Lodge No. 1073 (which was under the
jurisdiction of the Grand Orient of Italy) as “Fraternita Italo-
Lebanese Lodge No. 168″ and did that without seeking permission from
or obtaining the consent of any other Grand Lodge operating in
Lebanon.
In 2003, The Regular Grand Lodge of Italy chartered four additional
lodges in Lebanon, namely, France Lodge No. 171, California Lodge No.
172, Britanica Lodge No. 173, and Mont-Blanc Lodge No. 174, and
established the District Grand Lodge of Lebanon.