I liked Tales of the City
Richard Ottolini
but as nostoglia for an era and city which I grew up.
Too many motss movies concentrate on problems like
disease, neurotic behavior, or hyper-sexuality.
I was surprised by the amount of motss activity shown
and bare skin of all sexualities. This may be OK
in Europe that produced the series, but is wild for the US.
Nelson Minar
only history to me, although a history I feel personally attached
to. I've never read the book, so I have no opinions about the
adaptation.
The show is terrific television. I'm impressed with the acting, the
understated production. Nothing is terribly fancy (the screenplay is
very conventional, I think), but nothing needs to be fancy. I sure
wish we had something like Channel 4 in the United States.
In article <CJH3z...@unocal.com>,
Richard Ottolini <stg...@st.unocal.COM> wrote:
>Too many motss movies concentrate on problems like disease, neurotic
>behavior, or hyper-sexuality.
speaking as a post-AIDS 80s queerboy (tm), I sometimes find the
nostalgia for the simple good old days to be a little annoying. On the
other hand, I like escapism, and the characters feel very real to me.
>I was surprised by the amount of motss activity shown and bare skin
>of all sexualities. This may be OK in Europe that produced the
>series, but is wild for the US.
Attitudes towards bare skin and motss activity are slowly becoming
more progressive in the US. I'm more surprised by the obvious drug
usage - ludes, dope, cocaine. This could not be made for television in
the US, nor do I think could it be shown on any commercial network TV
in the US. The general rule is if people are shown doing drugs, they
have to suffer negative consequences from it.
One question - they talk about doing MDA. I might be off by a few
years, but was MDA on the street 1976? Was it common in the San
Francisco scene?
ObCruise - the sexy man is Edgar. I just want to take him, and hold him,
and make all his troubles go away. Oh yes, and run my fingers through
that hair. Sigh.
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nel...@reed.edu \/ Shop as usual and avoid panic buying
William A. Parsons
: ObCruise - the sexy man is Edgar. I just want to take him, and hold him,
: and make all his troubles go away. Oh yes, and run my fingers through
: that hair. Sigh.
But isn't he *old* with *grey* *thinning* hair?
YYYUUUUUUUUCCCKKKK!!!!
-Will
gsm...@uoft02.utoledo.edu
> speaking as a post-AIDS 80s queerboy (tm), I sometimes find the
> nostalgia for the simple good old days to be a little annoying. On the
> other hand, I like escapism, and the characters feel very real to me.
It's a hell of a lot more annoying to have to remember how much better
things were before AIDS.
> One question - they talk about doing MDA. I might be off by a few
> years, but was MDA on the street 1976? Was it common in the San
> Francisco scene?
It was on the street and real popular. You can trust Maupin on that
kind of thing. This stuff first appeared in the SF Comical, right
when the actual 70's were happening.
--
Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/University of Toledo
gsm...@uoft02.utoledo.edu
Mark Roberts
: I liked it, too. Mind you, I was 4 years old in 1976 - the story is
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Steven Levine
>ObCruise - the sexy man is Edgar. I just want to take him, and hold him,
>and make all his troubles go away. Oh yes, and run my fingers through
>that hair. Sigh.
Do you mean his eyebrows?
-Steven, on break from jury duty
Jack Hamilton
>It was on the street and real popular. You can trust Maupin on that
>kind of thing. This stuff first appeared in the SF Comical, right
>when the actual 70's were happening.
Didn't it first appear in the Pacific Sun, and then get picked up by the
Chronicle?
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Mission and Revenge
Nelson wrote:
>: only history to me, although a history I feel personally attached
>: to. I've never read the book, so I have no opinions about the
>: understated production. Nothing is terribly fancy (the screenplay is
>: very conventional, I think), but nothing needs to be fancy. I sure
>: wish we had something like Channel 4 in the United States.
production is very, um, discreet. Thank god for that. I could imagine
an American director jump-cutting the hell out of it and using wobbly
hand-held camera shots. With the impressive stuff Brit TV can do, I
wonder why their film industry is practically moribund.
>: speaking as a post-AIDS 80s queerboy (tm), I sometimes find the
>: nostalgia for the simple good old days to be a little annoying. On the
I don't find it annoying. In some ways I'm jealous. I was sexually
active at a (by comparison to friends) young age where AIDS wasn't
even a worry. In some ways, I don't understand the pre-AIDS era; I
have similar problems with the Vietnam War -- I don't understand all
the political explanations, etc. _Tales_ lets me see a romanticized
view of what I wasn't old enough to experience firsthand. For me, I
get entertained, and I can see how homos lived in the time when SF
was *the* Mecca for social outcasts. Besides, like the film _Singles_,
I know someone (albeit, with the 80s/90s twist) for each character.
(Aside: I didn't like Mona in the books, but love the TV Mona. I could
use a fag hag like her.)
>: ObCruise - the sexy man is Edgar. I just want to take him, and hold him,
>: and make all his troubles go away. Oh yes, and run my fingers through
>: that hair. Sigh.
My taste in men is usually eglectic to begin with -- and fashion queens
are usually far down on the list, but I'll take a twink like Michael
anytime.
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David L. Morgan <stra...@stein.u.washington.edu> Merciful Release
"It's not like Plato, is it?" he said, taking down a volume of the
_Symposium_ from his bookshelf. "It's not like Ortega y Gasset, or
even Proust, is it?" he said. "Or, for that matter, Stendhal. It's
so hopelessly ordinary -- I don't even think people have souls
anymore. And not having souls, they cannot be expected to have love
affairs . . . "
_Dancer From The Dance_ by Andrew Holleran
gsm...@uoft02.utoledo.edu
>>It was on the street and real popular. You can trust Maupin on that
>>kind of thing. This stuff first appeared in the SF Comical, right
>>when the actual 70's were happening.
> Didn't it first appear in the Pacific Sun, and then get picked up by the
> Chronicle?
There was another serial which appeared at that time.
One bizarre episode: a friend of my mother's told her that
a newspaper was considering running her stuff as a serial novel.
I think this actually had to do with this Marin County paper--wasn't
that where the Macfaddin (?) thing came from? So when "Tales of the
City" started, my mother told me that this friend of hers was writing
it under and assumed name, and I boasted of it to my lover.
It rapidly became clear on reading it that some fag *must* be
writing it. So I ended up in disgrace.
Mark Roberts
>I liked it, too. Mind you, I was 4 years old in 1976 - the story is
>only history to me, although a history I feel personally attached
>to. I've never read the book, so I have no opinions about the
>adaptation.
(My first attempt at a followup to this got hosed severely and it
ended up quoting Nelson in his entirety. Sorry about that. I will
try to reconstruct it from memory)
I really have enjoyed the show, too (I was in college in 1976). I also
have not read the book(s), but will after this.
>The show is terrific television. I'm impressed with the acting, the
>understated production. Nothing is terribly fancy (the screenplay is
>very conventional, I think), but nothing needs to be fancy. I sure
>wish we had something like Channel 4 in the United States.
Me, too. Almost everything the UK's Channel 4 does seems interesting
and offbeat--kind of like the Fox Network for grad students.
(That's a compliment!)
>Attitudes towards bare skin and motss activity are slowly becoming
>more progressive in the US. I'm more surprised by the obvious drug
>usage - ludes, dope, cocaine. This could not be made for television in
>the US, nor do I think could it be shown on any commercial network TV
>in the US. The general rule is if people are shown doing drugs, they
>have to suffer negative consequences from it.
Drugs were very much a part of the 70s everywhere -- even here in Middle
America. And especially in college.
As far as I can determine, KCPT in Kansas City *is* showing the uncensored
version. I can't believe it. Just when I'm about to give up on this
place, it comes along and does something surprising like this....
>ObCruise - the sexy man is Edgar. I just want to take him, and hold him,
>and make all his troubles go away. Oh yes, and run my fingers through
>that hair. Sigh.
Whatever turns you on. Robert is the one who has me salivating. Where
*have* they gone??
Nelson Minar
much. Maybe because I was expecting more of the same happy carefree
San Francisco, forgetting that every plot has to have a bummer section
to make it go. Or else I already knew the characters, so there weren't
so many surprises.
In article <1994Jan11.1...@hemlock.cray.com>,
Steven Levine <ste...@cray.com> wrote:
>>ObCruise - the sexy man is Edgar.
>Do you mean his eyebrows?
yes, among other things. I don't normally think about eyebrows, but I
noticed last night just how wonderfully blond and bushy they are. They
go nicely with his face. And I was ecstatic that we got to see him in
a Steamy Scene, shoulders and all. Now if he'd only get it on with Sir
Ian...
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nel...@reed.edu \/ All that God wanted to be was just another normal deity
Arnold Zwicky
(jean-martin) writes:
>We have a saying here in Quebec city, that Americans don't have
>any problems in showing 17 mens killed in a minute by
>Big Arnold but when it cames to showing skin!!!!
let me correct a misconception here. i have never killed more
than 15 mens in a minute; it takes me at least 4 seconds to waste
a mind. you can ask my students.
and now that melinda has confessed the truth about herself, i
have to admit that Big Arnold not only has the Thighs of Doom
but also is very tall, so blond that reflected sunlight provides
him with a permanent hamiltonian tan, lusciously bubble-butted,
hung like a hippo, and forever, unswervingly, 23. he also
shows as much skin as the law allows, habitually wearing only
a loose silk patch that barely contains his enormous organs.
his nipples were specially designed for him, by tom of finland,
to match his pecs, which were molded by trammell crow.
it's true. max and melinda can both swear to it. would they lie?
big arnold (remember: only the case is small!)
Jean-Martin Guay
Indeed, that's what surprised me!!1
We have a saying here in Quebec city, that Americans don't have
any problems in showing 17 mens killed in a minute by
Big Arnold but when it cames to showing skin!!!!
I find the serie really really great, it's so rafraichissant!!
and we had the unedited version i think, since Mouse and john french
kissed in john's car!!!! and what a kiss
--Jean-martin " qui sommes nous pour juger des autres!!"
David Stevenson
>
>It rapidly became clear on reading it that some fag *must* be
>writing it. So I ended up in disgrace.
>--
Emily Rizzo
Does anyone happen to know when Maupin did come out? I'm currently reading
Shilts' "Conduct Unbecoming" and Maupin was one of the many people he
interviewed for the book.
According to Shilts, Maupin moved out to San Francisco in 1971 to work for
Associated Press. Incidentally, before Maupin's military service (he was
the last American sailor to leave Cambodia), he worked as a television
reporter for Jesse Helms, then the executive director of WRAL-TV in Raleigh.
I wonder what Jesse thinks now of his protoge?
Emily
Steve Dyer
Arnold Zwicky <zwi...@Csli.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>and now that melinda has confessed the truth about herself, i
>have to admit that Big Arnold not only has the Thighs of Doom
>but also is very tall, so blond that reflected sunlight provides
>him with a permanent hamiltonian tan, lusciously bubble-butted,
>hung like a hippo, and forever, unswervingly, 23.
I've been _had_! Bring back that furry daddy-otter!
--
Steve Dyer
dy...@ursa-major.spdcc.com
gsm...@uoft02.utoledo.edu
>>In point of fact, it was some closeted fag that was writing it.
> Does anyone happen to know when Maupin did come out?
So far as I can see, he effectively came out with "Tales of the City".
After that, he could only be "in the closet" in the same sense
Liberace was "in the closet", since it was completely obvious he
must be gay from reading it.
Pieter Hazewindus
tran...@TYRELL.NET (Mark Roberts) writes:
|>
|> Robert is the one who has me salivating. Where *have* they gone??
One of them boards the 7:36am Fremont BART train from the San Francisco
Civic Center, near the central escalator, and gets off at Fruitvale.
This is like spotting rare birds.
Pieter Hazewindus pie...@sjc.mentorg.com (work)
Mentor Graphics Corporation, San Jose pie...@vlsi.cs.caltech.edu (other)
Nick Fitch
...and send me the 23 year-old twink with the Thighs of Doom.
______.__________________________________________________________
\ / There ain't no way to tell you fellas how it feels
\ / To sack and burn a city wearin' six-inch heels.
\/ -- John M. Ford, "How Much For Just The Planet?"
Max Meredith Vasilatos
> >We have a saying here in Quebec city, that Americans don't have
> >any problems in showing 17 mens killed in a minute by
> >Big Arnold but when it cames to showing skin!!!!
>let me correct a misconception here. i have never killed more
>than 15 mens in a minute; it takes me at least 4 seconds to waste
>a mind. you can ask my students.
>it's true. max and melinda can both swear to it. would they lie?
>and now that melinda has confessed the truth about herself, i
>have to admit that Big Arnold not only has the Thighs of Doom
>but also is very tall, so blond that reflected sunlight provides
>him with a permanent hamiltonian tan, lusciously bubble-butted,
>hung like a hippo, and forever, unswervingly, 23. he also
>shows as much skin as the law allows, habitually wearing only
>a loose silk patch that barely contains his enormous organs.
>his nipples were specially designed for him, by tom of finland,
>to match his pecs, which were molded by trammell crow.
>big arnold (remember: only the case is small!)
Hell, I was amazed when big arnold showed up here in
Boston. First he killed 30 mens in the airport while
we were waiting for his baggage, then he could barely
fit into my sports car with his gigantic thunder thighs,
enormous shoulders, and of course, being so tall and
all. Throughout the trip back to his hotel, truckdrivers
were blowing their airhorns and hooting out their windows
at his flowing blond hair ("Next truck stop, baby, and
you're *mine*" they'd yell). The fact that he was
wearing only a thong from International Male, along with
the blazingly golden I'm-not-from-here tan just made
things worse.
But hey, to each his own, I always say. And as arnold's
pointed out, I *never* lie.
Arnold Zwicky
about the description of big arnold:
>I've been _had_! Bring back that furry daddy-otter!
there was no mention of furriness, or lack of it, in the posting
you are replying to, my snowy friend. but in any case the posting
neglected to document big arnold's many Mode Switches.
biggish arnold
Michael Siemon
(Arnold Zwicky) writes:
>neglected to document big arnold's many Mode Switches.
sp? shouldn't that be "Mode Swishes"????
--
Michael L. Siemon "We honour founders of these starving cities
m...@panix.com Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
- or - They built by rivers and at night the water
m...@ulysses.att.com Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
David Stevenson
>riz...@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
>
>>>In point of fact, it was some closeted fag that was writing it.
>
>> Does anyone happen to know when Maupin did come out?
>
>So far as I can see, he effectively came out with "Tales of the City".
>After that, he could only be "in the closet" in the same sense
>Liberace was "in the closet", since it was completely obvious he
>must be gay from reading it.
>--
he claimed to get his "material" from "friends," much as Herb Caen still does.
Cobra Woman
>Hell, I was amazed when big arnold showed up here in
>Boston. First he killed 30 mens in the airport while
>we were waiting for his baggage, then he could barely
>fit into my sports car with his gigantic thunder thighs,
>enormous shoulders, and of course, being so tall and
>all. Throughout the trip back to his hotel, truckdrivers
>were blowing their airhorns and hooting out their windows
>at his flowing blond hair ("Next truck stop, baby, and
>you're *mine*" they'd yell). The fact that he was
>wearing only a thong from International Male, along with
>the blazingly golden I'm-not-from-here tan just made
>things worse.
And you were trying to figure out what all caused the traffic
jam!?!
CW [off tomorrow, if we can get to the airport, having watched
and enjoyed Tales of the City but not quite believing in Olympia
Dukakis, and not really caught up with soc.motss otherwise]
--
Mara Chibnik
ma...@panix.com Life is too important to be taken seriously.
gsm...@uoft02.utoledo.edu
> Obvious to whom? In the interviews while the serial was running in the Comical,
> he claimed to get his "material" from "friends," much as Herb Caen still does.
Obvious to me and my friends. Remember, I started out thinking this
was a pseudonym for someone whose real name was Ellen Mendocino
(I mean, *Armistead Maupin*? Come on!) But that got harder and
harder to believe, and eventually I was forced to insist that
my mother call Ellen Mendocino and find out the ugly truth.
Arnold Zwicky
wal...@torolab4.vnet.ibm.com (james walker) responds to
my simple, just-the-facts-man, self-description with disbelief:
>Wow! Obviously, I met a different Arnold Zwicky at the LSA conference
>last year!
james, james (morrison morrison weatherby george dupree), you have
blundered upon a very important fact here. successful academics
are often asked how they manage to do all the things they do, and
we merely shrug our self-deprecating shoulders and mumble things
like "oh, it's nothing, nothing at all", but in fact we have our
guild secret: we hire stand-ins.
i learned this while still an undergraduate, from my adviser, the
canny paul benacerraf. one day paul pulled me aside, and with
that hushed, almost sexual, air people use when divulging the
secrets of adulthood to the young, told me the truth about willard
van orman quine.
there was this obvious puzzle about quine. he published a truly
alarming number of books, some of them models of clear and
thoughtful writing, while teaching impressive numbers of courses
and giving papers all over the world. the puzzle was that the
lectures were stupefyingly boring, quite unlike the books. it
was hard to believe that the guy that wrote the books was the same
guy that gave the lectures. in fact, paul confided to me, such
disbelief was fully justified; False Quine, a hired shill, did
the public side of quining, while Real Quine sat in his harvard
study and hacked out books on his typewriter, working long days,
and taking neither weekends nor holidays off. a life hard
on the fingertips and the eyes, but rewarding. it was a great
shame, paul added, that False Quine was such a schlemiel.
i realized then that, as soon as i could accumulate enough
money (a dollar here from the food budget, a few more saved by
not taking vacations, that sort of thing) i would hire my own
False Zwicky.
i can't tell you how proud i felt - how adult, mature, and validated
as a career success - when the day came to interview candidates.
you really wouldn't believe how many half-starved a.b.d.'s there
are who are just begging to impersonate famous academics; my dear,
it is *truly* a buyer's market, and i so much enjoyed shopping for
False Zwickys that, though i could at first afford only one (the
greybeard daddy-otter with the funny face and sweet smile), eventually
i snapped up four on the open market.
False Zwicky the First has been giving courses at ohio state,
stanford, and various other universities around the world, and
presenting public papers, since 1969. (somehow that seemed like a
euominous year for beginning a new enterprise.) in 1971 i took on
Alex Adams - at the time i preferred not to muddy the waters by
letting several distinct zwickys loose on the world, though as you
will see i later changed my mind - to appear at social events, to get
my haircuts and make my restaurant reservations, and to do the heavier
cruising, at the baths for instance. since Alex served as my
nonacademic front man, he had to be seriously hunky and passionate
(though not, of course, as hunky and passionate as True Zwicky, or Big
Arnold as i came to be known; a servant should know his place). as it
happens, Alex dresses better than i do, but i'm happy to grant him
that. he is also a whole lot kinkier than i am, a facet of his
personality that i sometimes have to speak to him quite severely
about. (alas, he seems to enjoy these moments of chastisement *rather
too much*.)
in 1972 i added to my stable Ebbing Craft, who writes my silly
stuff, attends outrageous events for me (though Alex insists that
*he* has the sole right to participate in any event that involves
bath towels, lubricants, or any seriouly messy food eaten with
the hands), and functions as my artistic front. E.C. creates
collages, sings shape-note music, writes poetry, and plays
piano sonatas by muzio clementi. he is impulsive and sort of,
like, non-linear.
the four of us were a happy little bundle until about 1990, when i
began thinking it would be fun to write a novel, but of course had no
time to put bits to disk. False Zwicky the First was overbooked; he
was appearing for me at the center for advanced study, meetings in
england, *and* the linguistic institute in 1990-91 and just stamped
his big swiss feet and absolutely *refused* to think about writing a
novel. in addition to hosting a wild round of parties, receptions,
and dinners, Alex was into porn flicks (as consumer), phone sex,
and following handsome young men around on the street; he maintained
huffily that his body was never meant for writing. E.C. arose in
the middle of the night to write poetry and left for whole weekends
to sing with strangers; he was so distracted by the burdens of
being creative that he seemed not even to have noticed my exhortations
to fiction.
another round of interviews. my choice - False Zwicky the Second,
also known as "arnold zwicky" (i'm sorry; to be entirely correct, i
should have said that he is also known as ` "arnold zwicky" ') -
caused notable ripples for my other personae. Alex bristles whenever
he encounters "arnold zwicky"; they are too much alike not to be
competitors, and they are sexually mismatched (to humor me, they once
tried tricking with one another, but it ended in a messy cat-fight,
with each trying more aggressively than the other to serve as bottom).
E.C. complains (not without justification) that "arnold zwicky" steals
his poems and inserts them, without attribution, in the novel-
in-progress; operatic wails of "plagiarist! plagiarist!" are
frequently to be heard in my/our house. the original False Zwicky
resents deeply that the new guy has his name; the poor fellow
wanders about the house declaiming - years of lecturing experience
mean that really knows how to *project* - that he is the real,
the one, true Zwicky. this gives me the willies.
on the other hand, i have to say that "arnold zwicky" is *fabulous*
in bed. each of us knows *exactly* what the other guy wants.
but i wander (though scarcely lonely as a cloud, given how densely
populated my place is). you, james, have had the pleasure of meeting
the original False Zwicky (hundreds of thousands of miles, and never a
breakdown; who of us can say honestly say that? not me, and i'm a
demi-god). a pleasant fellow, but not even ten per cent the god that
i am.
now that melinda has admitted she is not only a blonde giant
but also heterosexual, i wonder if we should have some kids together.
think of the gene combinations! (and i'm not only drop-dead
gorgeous, i'm also really really flexible.)
biiig arnold, wondering why he has been seized with the desire
to put on a golden gown and drive to the end of the town
James Walker
>
>and now that melinda has confessed the truth about herself, i
>have to admit that Big Arnold not only has the Thighs of Doom
>but also is very tall, so blond that reflected sunlight provides
>him with a permanent hamiltonian tan, lusciously bubble-butted,
>hung like a hippo, and forever, unswervingly, 23. he also
>shows as much skin as the law allows, habitually wearing only
>a loose silk patch that barely contains his enormous organs.
>his nipples were specially designed for him, by tom of finland,
>to match his pecs, which were molded by trammell crow.
>
>it's true. max and melinda can both swear to it. would they lie?
Wow! Obviously, I met a different Arnold Zwicky at the LSA conference
last year!
James, risking being blown away with 16 other mens for revealing the
syntactician's secret :-)
---------------------------------------------
James Walker "I had the pear dream again."
Information Development, IBM Canada Kids in the Hall
North York, Ontario [Disclaimer: I do not speak for IBM.]
Bill Jones
Meredith Vasilatos) wrote:
>
> Hell, I was amazed when big arnold showed up here in
> Boston. First he killed 30 mens in the airport while
> we were waiting for his baggage, then he could barely
> fit into my sports car with his gigantic thunder thighs,
> enormous shoulders, and of course, being so tall and
> all. Throughout the trip back to his hotel, truckdrivers
> were blowing their airhorns and hooting out their windows
> at his flowing blond hair ("Next truck stop, baby, and
> you're *mine*" they'd yell). The fact that he was
> wearing only a thong from International Male, along with
> the blazingly golden I'm-not-from-here tan just made
> things worse.
This should make it perfectly clear why we adore Max!
...........................................................
Bill Jones, Theatre Arts Department, San Francisco State University
{bjone...@mailgate.sfsu.edu}
"Sometimes it's more important to be human, than to have good taste" Brecht
"Being a good craftsman will in no way prevent you from having Genius"
Renoir
Steven Levine
>biiig arnold, wondering why he has been seized with the desire
> to put on a golden gown and drive to the end of the town
Don't do it! Don't do it! At least not without jjjmm (commonly
known as Jim). Trust me on this one. You may think you can go
down to the end of the town and be back in time for tea, but
such arrogance is always punished.
--Steven
Dave Berry
>I was surprised by the amount of motss activity shown
>and bare skin of all sexualities. This may be OK
>in Europe that produced the series, but is wild for the US.
Wait till you see The Buddha Of Suburbia. If they ever show it uncut
in your god-infested country.
Dave.
--
Dave Berry, Harlequin Ltd., Barrington Hall, Cambridge, CB2 5RG, UK.
"Too much power, too little brains..."
Theresa Wymer
>Wait till you see The Buddha Of Suburbia. If they ever show it uncut
>in your god-infested country.
>Dave.
>--
> Dave Berry, Harlequin Ltd., Barrington Hall, Cambridge, CB2 5RG, UK.
> "Too much power, too little brains..."
There's a film version of _Buddha of Suburbia_? When did this come out?
I'd certainly like to see it.
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Theresa Wymer twy...@cie-2.uoregon.edu Vixen on FurryMUCK
Ned Deily
>[big arnold]
>>biiig arnold, wondering why he has been seized with the desire
>> to put on a golden gown and drive to the end of the town
>Don't do it! Don't do it! At least not without jjjmm (commonly
>known as Jim). Trust me on this one. You may think you can go
>down to the end of the town and be back in time for tea, but
>such arrogance is always punished.
Unless you take that cute Mr Chad Mitchell and his trio with you.
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-- n...@holonet.net
Dean Allemang
In article <1994Jan13.1...@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
zwi...@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Arnold Zwicky) talks about the false
zwickies.
I suppose that since I have known Arnold for years, I should be
offended to learn that he was hiding so many wonderful, hunky, sexy
men around, and only letting me at one of them. I am still a bit
confused about which one I have tricked with.
Part of my confusion lies, of course, in the fact that my man "tim"
has clearly not been very honest with me. You see, they pay us so
well here in Switzerland that I have been able to afford these folks
without the benefit of the title `professor' before my name. In fact,
I have a suave Italian fellow I have been using a lot lately, who goes
by the name of `Dino' (or occasionally, even `Dinissimo').
So, now I will have to ask tim if he realizes that the Arnold he was
with was, in fact, an ersatz. Or maybe he is off tricking with
whichever of Arnold's ersaetze he has been with.
It is so nice when the world finally falls into place.
Dean
FJ van Wingerde
>I have a suave Italian fellow I have been using a lot lately, who goes
>by the name of `Dino' (or occasionally, even `Dinissimo').
And you had the gall to complain about my clone?
I mean, I know it had memory-leaks and stuff, but at least it was my genetic
material.
FJ!!
Dean Allemang
The ersatz FJ!!s share his genetic material, but at least one of them
actually thought that there was a male actor that appeared in the file
_The Women_! Somehow, I would think that any clone of Arne would be
able to recite all of Joan Crawfords' lines backwards, but this is
apparently not so for FJ!!.
ObArnold: What does this say about Chomsky's theories?
Dino
Arnold Zwicky
alle...@lia.di.epfl.ch (dinissimo) adds in an aside:
>ObArnold: What does this say about Chomsky's theories?
this is obvious flamebait, and i refuse to rise to the occasion.
of course i reserve the right to rise to other occasions; an
appropriately couched reference to overrides and invocations
would certainly turn me on, especially if there are penguins
in the example sentences. (flying pigs are optional but
desirable.)
arnold, opaquely
Bob Donahue
: [Steven Levine]
Specking of dirty Scotch songs...
Did they do *any* other album then "... On Campus"?
My Mom has this album. I used to get rocked to sleep on Friday nights
when I was 3. I LOVE that album, and would KILL to get it on CD.
I would also do nearly anything to get other stuff by them, or
even my own copy of "On Campus".
BBC
Ob: Chad_Mitchell_3: Gary Burghoff once played with them.
John Dorrance
missed anything relevant (you know, flirt posts, Arne book quotes, Arne/
Steven Levine showbiz banter, discussion about Robert Hansen's hustler
butt and/or penchant for wearing jogging shorts without underwear... things
like that), please let me know.
John (that is, if I can figure outhow to mark these articles as read at all)
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Today's thought worthy of a British tabloid:
Kate Moss: waifer-thin model
Robert Hansen
>I am about to mark around 1800 articles as read, so if I seem to have
>missed anything relevant (you know, flirt posts, Arne book quotes, Arne/
>Steven Levine showbiz banter, discussion about Robert Hansen's hustler
>butt and/or penchant for wearing jogging shorts without underwear... things
>like that), please let me know.
You're back! You have no idea how much I missed you, dahlin'! <smooch>
Have I mentioned the famous hustler butt is now framed by a stunning tan
line? (Using the "fake-n-bake" broil-in bag!)
Have I mentioned I'm getting contact lenses? My faaaaaaaabulous baby blues
will be finally exposed to mesmerize men all over the world!
Have I mentioned I have a 3-day weekend? Come on up and see me, big boy...
ROBERT HANSEN - Oregon Health Sciences University - Portland, Oregon USA
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I surely do not want to give up my right to complain, no sir."
(Bessie Delany)
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<...>
: Incidentally, before Maupin's military service (he was
: reporter for Jesse Helms, then the executive director of WRAL-TV in Raleigh.
Interesting, in light of a discussion last night after the meeting of a
gay professionals' organization on whose board I serve. We were talking
about the series and a couple of the board members said they had never
before seen a novel translated to TV so faithfully. Since I haven't
read the books (I plan to now!), I could neither agree nor disagree.
But, since Maupin had experience in TV news, maybe he wrote the novels in such
a way (consciously or subconsciously) that their imagery could be shown
well on the small screen.
Another observation: when Edward R. Murrow and Fred Friendly were
producing documentaries for CBS in the 50s, one of their credos was "show
the small picture," i.e., show one individual or a few individuals, and let
them tell their stories as a springboard to examining some bigger story or
issue. In other words, TV works best on a small scale.
Since "Tales of the City" is, in many ways, a set of "small pictures,"
telling the stories of a few people as individual examples of a particular
time and place, it may have been ideal for TV.
I hope Channel 4 in the UK goes through with plans for a sequel, as the
other M. Roberts reported in another thread....
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Leith Chu
>In article <CJn78...@spdcc.com> tha...@spdcc.com (John Dorrance) writes:
>You're back! You have no idea how much I missed you, dahlin'! <smooch>
>Have I mentioned the famous hustler butt is now framed by a stunning tan
>line? (Using the "fake-n-bake" broil-in bag!)
Has he mentioned that the tan line is now framed by a stunning ribbon of
sunburn?
>Have I mentioned I'm getting contact lenses? My faaaaaaaabulous baby blues
>will be finally exposed to mesmerize men all over the world!
First time with contacts, eh? Psst! Don't let someone cum in your face...
panda cub (Leith Chu) | "Plaisir d'amour ne dure qu'un moment;
dizzy Chinese leather smurf | Chagrin d'amour dure toute la vie." *sigh*
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Ned Deily
corrected this post himself, I'll take it as a sign that he was somewhat out
of sorts this afternoon and so I'll plunge ahead:
>John Denver sang with them in their final days. Ned Deily
>tells me he replaced Chad Mitchell himself.
As much as I might have wanted to, I did not replace Chad Mitchell.
The "he" refers to, of course, Henry John Deutschendorf.
I did, however, replace Anthony K, for a short time, in another group.
William A. Parsons
: In article <1994Jan12....@csli.stanford.edu>,
: Arnold Zwicky <zwi...@Csli.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
: >have to admit that Big Arnold not only has the Thighs of Doom
: >but also is very tall, so blond that reflected sunlight provides
: >him with a permanent hamiltonian tan, lusciously bubble-butted,
: >hung like a hippo, and forever, unswervingly, 23.
: I've been _had_! Bring back that furry daddy-otter!
Did I just hear someone call?
Don't worry Steve, you will *not* hear me describe myself in such a
unseemingly manner. I am and will always be dark, short, and furry.
Will Parsons | "Now, let's you just drop them pants."
Daddy-Otter smurf | "Just drop?"
wpa...@unix.cc.emory.edu | "Just take 'em right off."
| "Come on, squeal! Squeal!
B0/5 f+ t- g+ m+ d k+ s-- r | "EEEEEEEEEEEEE!" - Revolting Cocks
William A. Parsons
they are actually showing the uncut version. Unfortunately they
are one day behind everyone else and I keep on hearing about all the
fun stuff the day before I get to actually see it.
Has anyone else noticed that this production is partly funded by the
NEA? I just can't wait to hear what Jesse will say about this.
-Will
Jess Anderson
William A. Parsons <wpa...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
>Has anyone else noticed that this production is partly funded by the
>NEA? I just can't wait to hear what Jesse will say about this.
This one would be pleased if all references to that one
were labeled as such.
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William A. Parsons
: In article <hansen...@ohsu.edu> han...@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
: >Have I mentioned I'm getting contact lenses? My faaaaaaaabulous baby blues
: >will be finally exposed to mesmerize men all over the world!
: First time with contacts, eh? Psst! Don't let someone cum in your face...
Now this may not be the best place to discuss this but here goes anyway.
Is it possible for HIV to be transmitted by getting semen in your eye?
I've always wondered.
-Will
a flying squirrel
>Now this may not be the best place to discuss this but here goes anyway.
>Is it possible for HIV to be transmitted by getting semen in your eye?
Why does this remind me of the hysterical rant of every mother:
"Be careful with that thing or you'll poke your eye out."
(skwirl, speaking from experience: it hurts like hell.)
--
a flying squirrel (Richard W. Johnson) skw...@netcom.com
"No matter how long you run on that treadmill, you'll still be bald."
(*X* to me in our corporate fitness center, 14/01/94 15:51)
Ron Buckmire
>Dave Berry (da...@harlqn.co.uk) wrote:
>>Wait till you see The Buddha Of Suburbia. If they ever show it uncut
>>in your god-infested country.
>>Dave.
>>--
>> Dave Berry, Harlequin Ltd., Barrington Hall, Cambridge, CB2 5RG, UK.
>> "Too much power, too little brains..."
>There's a film version of _Buddha of Suburbia_? When did this come out?
>I'd certainly like to see it.
What's THE BUDDHA OF SUBURBIA?
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but if you point it out you're an asshole." -- G. Dauphin, _Village Voice_
Arne Adolfsen
buc...@rembrandt.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
> What's THE BUDDHA OF SUBURBIA?
The roman a clef Hanif Kureishi wrote after "My Beautiful
Laundrette" and that second -- and pretty dismal -- film
of his, the title of which escapes me. I thought _The
Buddha of Suburbia_ was vaguely interesting -- the character
based on Billy Idol was entertaining, if nothing else -- but
it just covered the ground that "My Beautiful Laundrette"
left unspoken, to its great credit. I like it when authors
assume their audience can think.
Arne
john whiteside
>In article <2hchf4$h...@usenet.rpi.edu>
>buc...@rembrandt.its.rpi.edu (Ron Buckmire) writes:
>
>> What's THE BUDDHA OF SUBURBIA?
>
>The roman a clef Hanif Kureishi wrote after "My Beautiful
>Laundrette" and that second -- and pretty dismal -- film
>of his, the title of which escapes me.
"Sammy and Rosie Get Laid."
Yes, it was pretty dismal.
Unrelated Tangent: Mr Buckmire is posting from a machine called
"rembrandt" at RPI. It pleases me to think that my god-awful alma mater
could have a machine called "rembrandt." Things do change. A little.
john whiteside
February and wonder if anyone can recommend a good gay-friendly gym to
work out at.
I'm going to be staying in the French Quarter. A friend who lives in
N.O. goes to the N.O. Athletic Club, but unless somebody's got a
fabulous weekly rate I don't see why I need to go there all week.
If you can help me, either post or email, either is fine! Thanks.
..
John Whiteside
Mike Reaser
|> Don't worry Steve, you will *not* hear me describe myself in such a
|> unseemingly manner. I am and will always be dark, short, and furry.
Then who _was_ that blond(e), tall, smooth thing who sat across from me
last Friday night and claimed to be one "William A. Parsons"?
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William A. Parsons
: wpa...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (William A. Parsons) writes:
: |> Don't worry Steve, you will *not* hear me describe myself in such a
: |> unseemingly manner. I am and will always be dark, short, and furry.
: Then who _was_ that blond(e), tall, smooth thing who sat across from me
: last Friday night and claimed to be one "William A. Parsons"?
That was someone named "Kirk". I forgot his last name but
as you know names usually aren't important to Kirk anyway.
I can see how you were confused, he was sitting right next to me.
-Will
Dave Berry
>There's a film version of _Buddha of Suburbia_? When did this come out?
It was serialised in 4 parts on BBC2 last year.
Dave.
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Back to basics: liberty, equality and solidarity!
ude.nnamenhah.ivc@aivlys
>twy...@cie-2.uoregon.edu (Theresa Wymer) writes:
>>There's a film version of _Buddha of Suburbia_? When did this come out?
>
>It was serialised in 4 parts on BBC2 last year.
And has a way-cool soundtrack from David Bowie, also unavailable
in the States....
++Sylvia
Robert Hansen
>In article <hansen...@ohsu.edu> han...@ohsu.edu (Robert Hansen) writes:
>>In article <CJn78...@spdcc.com> tha...@spdcc.com (John Dorrance) writes:
>[...]
>>You're back! You have no idea how much I missed you, dahlin'! <smooch>
>Yeah! Good ta see ya 'gain, thaaang!
>>Have I mentioned the famous hustler butt is now framed by a stunning tan
>>line? (Using the "fake-n-bake" broil-in bag!)
>Has he mentioned that the tan line is now framed by a stunning ribbon of
>sunburn?
That's *old* news. The sunburn string is gone now - and I went back to the
original swimsuit - conservative but really cute.
>>Have I mentioned I'm getting contact lenses? My faaaaaaaabulous baby blues
>>will be finally exposed to mesmerize men all over the world!
>First time with contacts, eh? Psst! Don't let someone cum in your face...
Why am I not surprised this advice is coming from you, Boo Boo?
J. S. Bibb
>: |> Don't worry Steve, you will *not* hear me describe myself in such a
>: |> unseemingly manner. I am and will always be dark, short, and furry.
Will, does this mean that you are giving up shaving! Miracles will never
cease! I have seen the short, dark Will, but the furry part comes and goes
it seems........Listen to Furr, Just say NO to razors!
>blink<
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John Dorrance
>In article <CJn78...@spdcc.com> tha...@spdcc.com (John Dorrance) writes:
>
>>I am about to mark around 1800 articles as read, so if I seem to have
>>missed anything relevant (you know, flirt posts, Arne book quotes, Arne/
>>Steven Levine showbiz banter, discussion about Robert Hansen's hustler
>>butt and/or penchant for wearing jogging shorts without underwear... things
>>like that), please let me know.
>
>You're back! You have no idea how much I missed you, dahlin'! <smooch>
Oh, Baby! <smooch> *So* *good* to see you again! How you dooin'?
>Have I mentioned the famous hustler butt is now framed by a stunning tan
>line? (Using the "fake-n-bake" broil-in bag!)
Oh dear. It's not orange, is it? I hate orange tans. Or are you talking
about a tanning booth? I thought you meant one of those lotions that tan
you overnight. Nevermind. How nice! (and if you're secluded, why bother
wearing a swimsuit anyway? I prefer the *natural* look.)
>Have I mentioned I'm getting contact lenses? My faaaaaaaabulous baby blues
>will be finally exposed to mesmerize men all over the world!
But those big, heavy black glasses you were wearing in your yearbook
photo accentuated your guyishness! Well, we'll just have to see.
>Have I mentioned I have a 3-day weekend? Come on up and see me, big boy...
I *do* do private engagements, you know. Notify me in advance sometime
and perhaps I can *squeeze* *you* *in*.
John (oh yeah, did I mention I'm starting another new job again? I was
at the MATC bookstore and the boss didn't have time to train me and I
had to do everything by myself so I fucked shit up so she sent me back
to the temp agency after a week and a half (does this sound defensive?
Lately I've been noticing (or being paranoid about without reason, I can't
tell) that I'm casting blame onto others and holding grudges and I don't
think that's good but then I'm not really sure I'm actually doing it, I
mean I might just be talking like normal and just being oversensitive, you
know I *am* prone to that kind of thing, after all, so I just wanted to
ask am I sounding defensive? Or accusatory? I mean I was kinda mad because
she ditched me in the middle of the week so I couldn't get another temp
job until the beginning of the next week, and it just so happened that I
went directly from my boyfriend's house to work a couple of hours early
so's I could do some receiving (that's another thing, she told the temp
agency she needed someone with experience in receiving and they sent me
even though I don't know anything about receiving, in a nonsexual business
sense anyway) but Gus, the mailroom guy, had already done it the night
before, so I came in that morning, her knowing she'd already called in the
cancellation to my assignment, and asked her if she needed me to do the
receiving (because by then I knew how to do it just fine, only she was
always doing it for some reason, which was why I was always in the shop
running things by myself) and she just said no and I said 'well, I'll be
back in a couple of hours, then' and she just said sure and I got home and
got the message that I'd been canned, so that was irritating because she
could have at least *told* me while I was there. But Mary Kay at the agency
*did* say that Cynthia (well, Cindy is whay most people call her, but she just
*didn't* seem like the Cindy type, so I'm more comfortable thinking of her
as Cynthia, which is the name on the little marker on her desk anyway) said
I had a great personality and I tried real hard, and the temp agency wasn't
going to hold this against me, because it wasn't my fault that I didn't
have the proper experience, so that made me feel better about the whole
thing because I was afraid they'd hate me and never send me out on an
assignment again and I'd have to go to burger king or something for work.
So I'm kind of annoyed at her still, but not really, and I hope I don't
sound like I'm holding anything against her), but now I'm working at
American Family insurance doing billing and figuring accounts and stuff
and I'm doing stuff people usually can't do until after they've been
working there for two weeks or so even though I've only been working
there two days, so I'm smart and they like me and I *like* what I'm
doing, though I'm afraid it'll get boring becayse the building is new
or something so the muzak doesn't reach our area, so I have nothing
to listen to at all, I mean muzak is better than a bunch of
calculators and a few phone people in the distance at least, and they
apparently don't allow headphones or radios or anything even though
noone in my department needs to listen to anything anyway, but if I
can avoid boredom I'll have a good time there because the boss is
perpetually amazed at how well I'm progressing and I know she's not
just putting on a show because this one roundheaded guy who she had
watch me while doing some address changes said he had to do those all
day the first day or two and I was only doing them for an hour before
I was entering new single-policy accounts, and I started doing
multiple-policy accounts in the first half of the second day when
they usually can't do that until being there a few weeks, and all I
can say to that is *thank* *christ* I don't have to stand up or work
with a fucking *CASH* *REGISTER* ever again!!!!!!!!! So that's what my new
job is like.)
(I'd better stop before the computer lab lady kicks me out without letting
me save this - it's past 9:45 and she's getting really antsy)
Leith Chu
>>Has he mentioned that the tan line is now framed by a stunning ribbon of
>>sunburn?
>That's *old* news. The sunburn string is gone now - and I went back to the
>original swimsuit - conservative but really cute.
>>First time with contacts, eh? Psst! Don't let someone cum in your face...
>Why am I not surprised this advice is coming from you, Boo Boo?
I dunno. It came to me in the blink of an eye.
panda cub (Leith Chu) | "Plaisir d'amour ne dure qu'un moment;
dizzy Chinese leather smurf | Chagrin d'amour dure toute la vie." *sigh*
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Leith Chu
>In article <hansen...@ohsu.edu>, Robert Hansen <han...@ohsu.edu> wrote:
>>Have I mentioned I have a 3-day weekend? Come on up and see me, big boy...
>I *do* do private engagements, you know. Notify me in advance sometime
>and perhaps I can *squeeze* *you* *in*.
BTW congrats on the new job. But you relly gotta get out of the temp agency
shit. I did it for a while, and got great experience, but once you got
that, it's time for pensionable service. Y'know?
Clay Colwell
In article <CJwt1...@spdcc.com>, tha...@spdcc.com (John Dorrance) writes:
[thaaang's 56-line job woes deleted]
Well, if big arnold is known for his short postings, then
you, thaaang, must be Long John. ;-)
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>
>and now that melinda has confessed the truth about herself, i
>have to admit that Big Arnold not only has the Thighs of Doom
>but also is very tall, so blond that reflected sunlight provides
>him with a permanent hamiltonian tan, lusciously bubble-butted,
>shows as much skin as the law allows, habitually wearing only
>a loose silk patch that barely contains his enormous organs.
>his nipples were specially designed for him, by tom of finland,
>to match his pecs, which were molded by trammell crow.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A real estate company? I've heard of "huge tracts of land" before, but
this is *ridiculous* !
>
>big arnold (remember: only the case is small!)
>
Clay Colwell
In article <CKo9q...@spdcc.com>, tha...@spdcc.com (John Dorrance) writes:
> Clay Colwell <arch...@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> >In article <CJwt1...@spdcc.com>, tha...@spdcc.com (John Dorrance) writes:
> >[thaaang's 56-line job woes deleted]
> >
> >Well, if big arnold is known for his short postings, then
> >you, thaaang, must be Long John. ;-)
>
<chomp> My, you certainly *are* cream-filled.