**ALERT** Northern Exposure Sponsor Withdrawal
BLUE EYES
that Nestle has withdrawn their sponsorship of tonights
episode of Northern Exposure (the 'gay wedding' episode).
As it was explained to me, they (at least internally) are making
no bones about the reason behind their decision. Apparently,
they have been getting a HUGE amount of negative mail and phone
calls from anti-gay organiztions and are 'responding' to those
attacks. Let Nestle know how you feel and that you will no longer
purchase their products nor support their bigotry.
Call or write :
Tim Crull, CEO
Nestle
800 N. Brand Blvd
Glendale, CA 91203
(800) NESTLES
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//Gary
Robert Coren
>
> Hold on! Aren't we all _already_ boycotting Nestle because of their
>"Third World" infant formula performance?
No, I believe that Nestle agreed to stop pushing baby formula in the
Third World and the boycott was called off. Quite a few years ago,
actually.
--
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feasting and fun!" --Lewis Carroll, _Through the Looking Glass_
M. Price
>Call or write :
Hold on! Aren't we all _already_ boycotting Nestle because of their
"Third World" infant formula performance?
--
"They keep pounding their fists on reality, hoping it will break"
- Ani DiFranco
mp
Paul Fritschle
> Hold on! Aren't we all _already_ boycotting Nestle because of their
>"Third World" infant formula performance?
>--
What "Third World" infant formula performance is this? And does it have
any actual GLB significance? Or is this one of those generic liberal
things like suuport of rights for indigenous peoples and so on?
>"They keep pounding their fists on reality, hoping it will break"
> - Ani DiFranco
> mp
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BLUE EYES
: >Call or write :
If that's the case, they deserve a DOUBLE POUNDING!!!! I think a lot of
everyday gay and lesbian people aren't as aware as they might be on the
'third world' issue. THIS instance hits home with more people and brings
new awareness to the boycott.
--
//Gary
Paul Grange
The strange thing about the episode is that none of the couple's friends
or guests seemed to be gay.
Tim Wilson
anon...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Paul Grange) writes:
>The strange thing about the episode is that none of the couple's friends
>or guests seemed to be gay.
What about the Marines in their Dress Uniforms? I thought they were
gay.
--
Tim Wilson <t-wi...@memphis.edu>
Doug Sewell
: If that's the case, they deserve a DOUBLE POUNDING!!!! I think a lot of
: everyday gay and lesbian people aren't as aware as they might be on the
: 'third world' issue. THIS instance hits home with more people and brings
: new awareness to the boycott.
Perhaps.
If you go along with the idea that lgb's are all progressive to left-leaning
and jump on boycott bandwagons.
Hell, if every company that did unethical things got boycotted, then I know
I wouldn't have a job, but it wouldn't matter, cuz I couldn't buy anything
anyway.
Why don't you guys call a boycott on the whole world, move off to a self-
sufficient commune...
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Q: Why did the chicken cross the road ?
A: To prove to the possum that it could be done.
Michael Bryan
Paul Grange <anon...@nyx10.cs.du.edu> wrote:
>
>The strange thing about the episode is that none of the couple's friends
>or guests seemed to be gay.
I noticed that. And they never kissed. Or at least not that I noticed.
I might have blinked, though. And the whole issue of him coming back
after storming out was *definitely* glossed over. One moment he's
leaving, then he stays at Maurice's for the night, then he gets married.
No apologies, no reconciliation (a *great* time for a nice kiss, I
should think). It was as if it never even happened.
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Nigel Whitfield
>No, I believe that Nestle agreed to stop pushing baby formula in the
>Third World and the boycott was called off. Quite a few years ago,
>actually.
Yes, but it's recently been reported (Observer, London) that some
shareholder groups (and allegedly some within Nestle) are again
promoting the formula on the grounds that it will protect babies from
transmission of HIV that can occur when breast feeding. This is
contrary to WHO guidelines that suggest the dangers of using formula
are greater than those of breast feeding.
I've switched to Kenco...
Nigel.
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Douglas J. Wyman
: The strange thing about the episode is that none of the couple's friends
: or guests seemed to be gay.
What do you expect in a town the size of Cicily? Even if it is mythical.
However, did you see the silk vest on.... Damn, forgot his name...
I really enjoyed the program, especially Maurice ending up talking
him into going on with the wedding. The not quite subconscious
theme of being man enough to admit you were wrong in a program about
gay marriage gives me hope that a few more might rethink their
homophobia.
Doug (who thinks Ed Chigliak -in the satin vest- could easily be a
gay character.) (the character, not the actor)
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William Brennan
BLUE EYES <blue...@netcom.com> wrote:
> [1. Boycott Nestle because they withdrew from Northern Exposure.]
> [2. Boycott Nestle because of they peddle third world infant formula.]
>If that's the case, they deserve a DOUBLE POUNDING!!!!
Yes, the next time you pass up their products in the store, circle the
store and pass them up again!
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Tom Chatt
|
| The strange thing about the episode is that none of the couple's friends
| or guests seemed to be gay.
Given that we've never seen that they have any gay friends, and
certainly all of their closest friends are straight, why is it
strange that the guests at their wedding were all straight?
This is Cicely, Alaska, after all, not WeHo.
I thought it was absolutely wonderful the way it was treated so
*completely* matter-of-factly by everyone except Maurice (and
even by him, in his own weird way). Especially wonderful was the
way that it was plainly and simply a *wedding* -- without ducking
the word and calling it a "holy union" or a "commitment" or
something else seperate-but-equal. In a conversation, Holling
and his wife discussed it as a wedding, completely comparable
to their own.
And even Maurice, in the very next breath after condemning the
idea of a gay wedding, mutters to himself about remembering to
send them some Baccarat, perhaps a nice bar set.
Great episode!
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Emily Rizzo
>The strange thing about the episode is that none of the couple's friends
>or guests seemed to be gay.
Yup...that bothered me too, a lot. But I did like the sprinkling of
Marines in dress uniform at the wedding. Also, no mention of Eric's family,
unless something was said in the first 30 seconds of the show.
Emily
Douglas J. Wyman
: anon...@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Paul Grange) writes:
: ... none of the couple's friends or guests seemed to be gay.
: What about the Marines in their Dress Uniforms? I thought they were
: gay.
imo most all men in Marine dress uniform look inviting.
Rod J. Williams
>
> 1) Does Nestle have an EO policy?
> 2) Does Nestle donate $$$ to groups? If so what are they?
Nestle Beverage Co. (a subsidiary) is headquartered in San
Francisco, has a thriving GLOB employee group, put on a big
company-funded Gay Awareness Day program for their employees
last year, donates products to GLOB events, exhibits at the
annual GLOB business expo, and buys tables at all the biggie
fundraisers. It includes sexual orientation in its non-
discrimination policy, but does not yet offer DP benefits.
Rod
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Emily Rizzo
Bob Donahue
: In <blueeyesC...@netcom.com> blue...@netcom.com (BLUE EYES) writes:
re: NESTLE
I called them and spoke with someone who couldn't answer
ANYthing except to say that yes, they were pulling their ads, and
that it was because they like to shy away from anything controversial.
They couldn't define what was "controversial" in terms of a fictional
story line. She promised to have someone call me...
And someone did -- I got a call from Joyce Wolfe who apparently
is in some position in Customer Relations. she was very interested to
know if I was a reporter...
Anyway, we went thru the same thing again, what constituted
a controversial subject, etc. Needless to say there isn't any
qualitative or quantitative reasoning behind it except that there's
this magic set og "guidelines" which I have requested and supposedlyt
will be sent.
One thing of note --- Ms. Wolfe couldn't tell me if they had
every pulled programming from shows being controversial from a religious
standpoint. she also didn't know if they advertised on the Family
Channel or LifeTime, both of which have programming from the Radical
Reich. She refused to look into finding an answer for me on the first,
and waffled on the second. It was obvious she knew where I was leading,
and that she was somewhat in a corner. We spent some time trying to
hash out what people should infer from the selection of programs that
they pull advertising from, since pulling it is making a statement
as much as not pulling it. She refused to comment, except to say
that people shouldn't draw conclusions from that.
I asked if they had Internet access, she said definitely not
(people might want to try whois -h rs.internic.net NESTLE, and see
who "definite" that is...). She then said she knew about the net,
and said her husband[1] had an account on it [sic] and she'd ask
him to grab all the NESTLE-oriented stuff from it [???!] so she
could bring it to some board who looks into these things.
[Clearly she has no idea about the net since she seems to believe that
one person *could* check all the newsgroups for this! Still, she
needs to be better informed]
She was reasonably pleasant about it and we'll see what the
information I get is --- I'll digestify it when it comes.
So, in case anyone wants to follow up on it, here are
some other questions I'd love to knwo the answer to:
1) Does Nestle have an EO policy?
2) Does Nestle donate $$$ to groups? If so what are they?
If someone calls them (1-800-NESTLES), you might want to carry this
further... (she called at an awkward moment, and I wasn't expecting
the call at that time...)
ANYway, that's my contribution to the thread...
BBC
David DeLaney
> I asked if they had Internet access, she said definitely not
>(people might want to try whois -h rs.internic.net NESTLE, and see
>who "definite" that is...).
martha.utcc.utk.edu> whois -h rs.internic.net NESTLE
Nestle Canada Inc (NET-NESTLECA)NESTLECA 198.96.191.0
Nestle USA, Inc. (NET-NESUSA) NESUSA 165.131.0.0
The InterNIC Registration Services Host ONLY contains Internet Information
(Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's).
Please use the whois server at nic.ddn.mil for MILNET Information.
>She then said she knew about the net,
>and said her husband[1] had an account on it [sic] and she'd ask
>him to grab all the NESTLE-oriented stuff from it [???!] so she
>could bring it to some board who looks into these things.
>[Clearly she has no idea about the net since she seems to believe that
>one person *could* check all the newsgroups for this! Still, she
>needs to be better informed]
If Leader Kibo can do it, *anybody* can! (even he-who-should-not-be-named-
in-soc.motss can apparently do it, so there *can't* be an intelligence
requirement...).
Dave "grep -i Nestle /usr/spool/news/*/* > stand.out &" DeLaney
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Megan S. Huntsman
: BLUE EYES (blue...@netcom.com) wrote:
: : If that's the case, they deserve a DOUBLE POUNDING!!!! I think a lot of
: : everyday gay and lesbian people aren't as aware as they might be on the
: : 'third world' issue. THIS instance hits home with more people and brings
: : new awareness to the boycott.
: Perhaps.
: If you go along with the idea that lgb's are all progressive to left-leaning
: and jump on boycott bandwagons.
Unfortunately, this seems to be the case in general *sigh*
: Hell, if every company that did unethical things got boycotted, then I know
: I wouldn't have a job, but it wouldn't matter, cuz I couldn't buy anything
: anyway.
Agreed :/
: Why don't you guys call a boycott on the whole world, move off to a self-
: sufficient commune...
As long as *I* don't have to go :)
Megan "Token Libertarian" Huntsman
Tim Wilson
pfri...@skid.ps.uci.edu (Paul Fritschle) writes:
>mp...@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes:
>> Hold on! Aren't we all _already_ boycotting Nestle because of their
>>"Third World" infant formula performance?
>>--
>
>What "Third World" infant formula performance is this?
A well-meaning boycott of another time. It's over.
And does it have
>any actual GLB significance?
As you'll learn, it doesn't have to if you can get away with it.
Or is this one of those generic liberal
>things like suuport of rights for indigenous peoples and so on?
>
No, it's really a test thread to bring out the idiots who think they
can use phrases like "generic liberal" and "rights of indigenous
people" disparagingly in one sentence. You pass.
--
Tim Wilson <t-wi...@memphis.edu>
Daniel Gilly
>I thought it was absolutely wonderful the way it was treated so
>*completely* matter-of-factly by everyone except Maurice (and
>even by him, in his own weird way). Especially wonderful was the
>way that it was plainly and simply a *wedding* -- without ducking
>the word and calling it a "holy union" or a "commitment" or
>something else seperate-but-equal. In a conversation, Holling
>and his wife discussed it as a wedding, completely comparable
>to their own.
I didn't see the episode, but read and heard a lot about it
before it aired. But that's beside the point. I'm uncomfortable
with the way popular culture plays fast and loose with the concept of
same-sex "weddings." They're not the same as mixed-sex weddings.
A mixed-sex wedding symbolizes a legally sanctioned union. A same-
sex wedding does not.
Pretending they're the same makes it easy for people to
remain unaware of the lack of civil rights for same-sex couples.
This situation reminds me of the red ribbon turned fashion statement.
The impact has faded.
I suppose it'd be awkward to make a political statement in the
Northern Exposure episode itself, but in the media coverage of
the episode, such as in The Advocate, I would like to have seen
more of a tie-in to political realities.
--
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Borland International Scotts Valley, California
William A. Parsons
: Megan "Token Libertarian" Huntsman
Hey, isn't this the party that nominated Howard Stern for
Mayor of New York?
Way to go Megan!!!
-Will
Sim Aberson
William A. Parsons <wpa...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
>Hey, isn't this the party that nominated Howard Stern for
>Mayor of New York?
Governor.
The Libertarian Party has just become credible.
--
Sim Aberson AOML/Hurricane Research Division Miami, FL
Emily Rizzo
>In article <2qdhha$9...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>,
>William A. Parsons <wpa...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
>>Hey, isn't this the party that nominated Howard Stern for
>>Mayor of New York?
>Governor.
>The Libertarian Party has just become credible.
Actually, Howard Stern encouraged his fans to join the Libertarian Party
then stacked the nominating convention. The "party Libertarians" were
simply outnumbered. On the other hand, if Howard Stern can pull in enough
votes, it guarantees the Libertarian Party a line on the ballot in the
future.
Emily (who is delighted at the thought of the anti-Cumo forces being divided)
Tim Wilson
>Doug Sewell (do...@cc.ysu.edu) wrote:
>: BLUE EYES (blue...@netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: : If that's the case, they deserve a DOUBLE POUNDING!!!! I think a lot of
>: : everyday gay and lesbian people aren't as aware as they might be on the
>: : 'third world' issue. THIS instance hits home with more people and brings
>: : new awareness to the boycott.
>
>: Perhaps.
>
>: If you go along with the idea that lgb's are all progressive to left-leaning
>: and jump on boycott bandwagons.
>
>Unfortunately, this seems to be the case in general *sigh*
>
Oh it is not, and your claiming so is bunk.
>: Why don't you guys call a boycott on the whole world, move off to a self-
>: sufficient commune...
>
>As long as *I* don't have to go :)
>
You do. You've been assigned to re-education camp #125644. The bus
leaves at sunset. Don't miss it.
>Megan "Token Libertarian" Huntsman
Don't flatter yourself, either.
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Tim Pierce
Tim Wilson <t-wi...@memphis.edu> wrote:
Shouldn't a boycott really be considered the ultimate form
of political economic Libertarianism? After all, it's
basically a case of "my market is bigger than your market."
How may we object to a cause we don't like if not to
withhold our wallet? Michael?
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Michael Thomas
> Tim Wilson <t-wi...@memphis.edu> wrote:
> >>Megan "Token Libertarian" Huntsman
> >
> >Don't flatter yourself, either.
> Shouldn't a boycott really be considered the ultimate form
> of political economic Libertarianism? After all, it's
> basically a case of "my market is bigger than your market."
> How may we object to a cause we don't like if not to
> withhold our wallet? Michael?
That's all well and good, but it doesn't mean
that you have to honor every hair-brained call
for a boycott. I suspect that is what she was
getting at...
Mike, tokin' libertarian
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writes:
> Mike, tokin' libertarian
I thought that was Owen's job description!
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Michael Thomas
> In article <CpK5K...@mtcc.com> mi...@mtcc.com (Michael Thomas)
> writes:
> > Mike, tokin' libertarian
> I thought that was Owen's job description!
Yes, but I've been preping myself for evenings
with Mr. Bong. Did you know they have flavor packs
that you can add to your bong water now? Cherry,
spearmint, florida punch, and best of all, *White
Zinfandel* (carefully aged in beet caskets for 23
minutes). It's the best thing since sliced bread;
you'll never have to run off to that pesky kitchen
to relieve yourself of terminal cotton mouth.
--
Michael Thomas (mi...@mtcc.com)
trick: pre-divorced boyfriend
Ann Burlingham
In a previous article, t...@puck.csp.ee.memst.edu (Tim Wilson) says:
>In article <mashCpC...@netcom.com> ma...@netcom.com (Megan S. Huntsman) writes:
>>Doug Sewell (do...@cc.ysu.edu) wrote:
>
>>: Why don't you guys call a boycott on the whole world, move off to a self-
>>: sufficient commune...
>>
>>As long as *I* don't have to go :)
>>
>You do. You've been assigned to re-education camp #125644.
Would that be the one in Ovett, Tim?
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Ann Burlingham
In a previous article, bre...@panther.warm.inmet.com (William Brennan) says:
>In article <blueeyesC...@netcom.com>,
>BLUE EYES <blue...@netcom.com> wrote:
>> [1. Boycott Nestle because they withdrew from Northern Exposure.]
>> [2. Boycott Nestle because of they peddle third world infant formula.]
>>If that's the case, they deserve a DOUBLE POUNDING!!!!
>
>Yes, the next time you pass up their products in the store, circle the
>store and pass them up again!
ObEarworm: Hershey is... the great American chocolate bar.
William A. Parsons
: Tim Wilson (t...@puck.csp.ee.memst.edu) wrote:
: > In article <CpK5K...@mtcc.com> mi...@mtcc.com (Michael Thomas)
: > writes:
: > > Mike, tokin' libertarian
: > I thought that was Owen's job description!
: Yes, but I've been preping myself for evenings
: with Mr. Bong. Did you know they have flavor packs
: that you can add to your bong water now? Cherry,
: spearmint, florida punch, and best of all, *White
: Zinfandel* (carefully aged in beet caskets for 23
: minutes). It's the best thing since sliced bread;
: you'll never have to run off to that pesky kitchen
: to relieve yourself of terminal cotton mouth.
Speaking of different liquids to put into bongs, I have heard
of someone that put Scope in their bong. They described the
experience as smoking a mentholated joint.
-Will
Tim Wilson
Burlingham) writes:
>In a previous article, t...@puck.csp.ee.memst.edu (Tim Wilson) says:
>>In article <mashCpC...@netcom.com> ma...@netcom.com (Megan S.
>>Huntsman) writes:
>>>Doug Sewell (do...@cc.ysu.edu) wrote:
>>>: Why don't you guys call a boycott on the whole world, move off to a self-
>>>: sufficient commune...
>>>As long as *I* don't have to go :)
>>You do. You've been assigned to re-education camp #125644.
>Would that be the one in Ovett, Tim?
The one in Ovett is too nice. I was thinking more along the lines of
the one at Leavenworth.
--
Tim Wilson <t-wi...@memphis.edu>
D. Owen Rowley
>writes:
>
>> Mike, tokin' libertarian
>
>I thought that was Owen's job description!
No thats my hobby.
LUX ./. owen
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