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Wolf

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Apr 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/27/97
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Want to watch Ellen this week but you don't want to watch it alone? Would
you like to share the laughs and energy of viewing Ellen's coming out
episode with a great bunch of like minded people? Well if you would, the
Midnight Sun is having a coming out party for Ellen this Wednesday April
30th, and you are invited! Its going to be an evening of the latest music
hits intermixed with a host of Ellen comedy clips! Check out their website
for more information about this and other social events you are invited to!

http://www.wolfe.com/midnightsun/

Hope to see ya there!

Wolf
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http://www.wolfe.com/
http://www.cyberwolves.com/

John Whiteside

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Apr 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/27/97
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"Wolf" <wo...@wolfe.com> wrote:

>Want to watch Ellen this week but you don't want to watch it alone? Would
>you like to share the laughs and energy of viewing Ellen's coming out
>episode with a great bunch of like minded people? Well if you would, the
>Midnight Sun is having a coming out party for Ellen this Wednesday April
>30th, and you are invited! Its going to be an evening of the latest music
>hits intermixed with a host of Ellen comedy clips! Check out their website
>for more information about this and other social events you are invited to!

Hey, can you tell me what Metro stop the Midnight Sun is near?

(Okay, I know exactly where the Midnight Sun is, I just wonder if this
guy realizes how widely distributed messages to soc.motss are.)

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Steve Cogorno

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Apr 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/27/97
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In article <33699159...@news.mindspring.com> whit...@mindspring.com.NOSPAM writes:
>Hey, can you tell me what Metro stop the Midnight Sun is near?
>
>(Okay, I know exactly where the Midnight Sun is, I just wonder if this
>guy realizes how widely distributed messages to soc.motss are.)


Would that be the SF Muni Metro or the DC Metro?
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Charlie Fulton

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Apr 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/27/97
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Wolf (wo...@wolfe.com) wrote:
: Want to watch Ellen this week but you don't want to watch it alone? Would
: you like to share the laughs and energy of viewing Ellen's coming out
: episode with a great bunch of like minded people? Well if you would, the
: Midnight Sun is having a coming out party for Ellen this Wednesday April
: 30th, and you are invited!

An invite to the Midnight Sun posted to Usenet. Cool, that place is packed
like sardines as it is. Should make for easier groping.

--
Charlie Fulton---foultone@mtcc.com---http://www.mtcc.com/~foultone/
"Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun."
Montgomery Burns

David Kaye

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Apr 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/28/97
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Steve Cogorno wrote the quoted material below:

" Would that be the SF Muni Metro or the DC Metro?

Dunno about your news reader, but mine clearly says "A coming Out Party
for Ellen! (415, 510)" at the top. Considering that these are SF Bay Area
area codes, it would be logical to assume that the poster means the post
to reach people in the SF Bay Area. Now, I realize that many soc.motss
denizens are not mental giants, but this much should have been obvious.

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dk at wco.com it as a different miracle." - James Michener

Michael Thomas

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Apr 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/28/97
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David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> writes:
> Steve Cogorno wrote the quoted material below:
>
> " Would that be the SF Muni Metro or the DC Metro?
>
> Dunno about your news reader, but mine clearly says "A coming Out Party
> for Ellen! (415, 510)" at the top. Considering that these are SF Bay Area
> area codes, it would be logical to assume that the poster means the post
> to reach people in the SF Bay Area. Now, I realize that many soc.motss
> denizens are not mental giants, but this much should have been obvious.

I guess you're not geek enough to be able to
read the headers and determine that this was
dubiously cross posted.
--
Michael Thomas (mi...@mtcc.com http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/)
"I dunno, that's an awful lot of money."
Beavis

Sharon Fisher

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Apr 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/28/97
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whit...@mindspring.com.NOSPAM (John Whiteside) writes:

>"Wolf" <wo...@wolfe.com> wrote:

>>Want to watch Ellen this week but you don't want to watch it alone? Would
>>you like to share the laughs and energy of viewing Ellen's coming out
>>episode with a great bunch of like minded people? Well if you would, the
>>Midnight Sun is having a coming out party for Ellen this Wednesday April

>>30th, and you are invited! Its going to be an evening of the latest music
>>hits intermixed with a host of Ellen comedy clips! Check out their website
>>for more information about this and other social events you are invited to!

>Hey, can you tell me what Metro stop the Midnight Sun is near?

>(Okay, I know exactly where the Midnight Sun is, I just wonder if this
>guy realizes how widely distributed messages to soc.motss are.)

Well, he did say (415,510) in the subject, which are San Francisco Bay
Area area codes.

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John Dorrance

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Apr 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/29/97
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David Kaye wrote:

> Steve Cogorno wrote the quoted material below:

> " Would that be the SF Muni Metro or the DC Metro?

> Dunno about your news reader, but mine clearly says "A coming Out Party
> for Ellen! (415, 510)" at the top. Considering that these are SF Bay Area
> area codes, it would be logical to assume that the poster means the post
> to reach people in the SF Bay Area. Now, I realize that many soc.motss
> denizens are not mental giants, but this much should have been obvious.

I thought they were some obscure coordinates or something. I guess
in a way they are. Is this common, to indicate a location by its area
code? I think I might have seen it in, like, personals in the back of
bar rags or something, but besides that it doesn't seem that common.

John

David Kaye

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Apr 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/29/97
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John Dorrance wrote the quoted material below:


" I thought they were some obscure coordinates or something. I guess
" in a way they are. Is this common, to indicate a location by its area
" code?

Yes it is; I see it all the time in the personal ad and job offers
newsgroups right here on Usenet.

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David Kaye ourselves as free." (an old proverb)
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Steve Cogorno

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Apr 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/29/97
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In article <E9BCy...@mtcc.com> il...@mtcc.com (that bitch) writes:
>In article <cogornoE...@netcom.com>,

>Steve Cogorno <cog...@netcom.com> wrote:
>>In article <33699159...@news.mindspring.com> whit...@mindspring.com.NOSPAM writes:
>>>Hey, can you tell me what Metro stop the Midnight Sun is near?
>>
>>Would that be the SF Muni Metro or the DC Metro?
>
>Hello! Wouldn't that perhaps be the whole point of
>John's post?

Hello! It sure was.

John's point was that the original post didn't say that Midnight Sun was in
San Francisco. My point was that John didn't say which Metro he was talking
about. Therefore, he made the same mistake that the original poster made.


--

Steve
cog...@netcom.com

Jeremy G. Mallory

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Apr 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/29/97
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In article <jeevE9E...@netcom.com>, je...@netcom.com (Ellen Evans)
tells DAK to:
>Get over it.

But Ellllllennnnnnnnn!
That's so BLUE-COLLAR!

Jeremy, just passin' through

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Dale S. Pataky

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Apr 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/29/97
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David Kaye wrote:

> It was clear that the 415 and 510 area codes were in the title. Those of
> us who know those area codes knew it was aimed toward us.

I thought it was the number assigned to her upon coming out.

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Dale

David Kaye

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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Steve Cogorno wrote the quoted material below:


" John's point was that the original post didn't say that Midnight Sun was in
" San Francisco. My point was that John didn't say which Metro he was talking
" about. Therefore, he made the same mistake that the original poster made.

I don't see any mistake the original poster might have made (except
possibly crossposting it to the ingrates at soc.motss in the first place).

It was clear that the 415 and 510 area codes were in the title. Those of
us who know those area codes knew it was aimed toward us.

I think the person who included soc.motss in the post did so to be sure to
reach SF Bay Area people who might read that newsgroup, not knowing about
ba.motss's existence. (One can't search on "gay" to find ba.motss as they
can to find soc.motss, so I'm sure many people don't know it exists.)

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David Kaye by drinking while driving.
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David Kaye

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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John Whiteside wrote the quoted material below:
" never, ever heard anyone I know in SF talk about "the Metro;" it's
" always "Muni." This is, admittedly, not a scientific sample.

Indeed it is "the Muni", not "the Metro" here. Also, "Muni" is an
abbreviation for "Municipal Railway", not an acronym, so only the first
letter is capitalized. There's a reason why the Muni is called the Muni.
Streetcar systems typically are legacies of earlier eras. Most were
originally private, and thus not "municipal" anything. But the SF Muni
was the first publicly-funded city transit system in the USA. It has
always been a municipal service, never private.

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David Kaye
dk at wco.com

David Kaye

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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Greg Parkinson wrote the quoted material below:

" Search what?

Just goes to prove my point about soc.motsseurs.

Let's go over this slowly so that even Greg can get it: (1) On most
newsreaders you can search for newsgroups. (2) The search function will
search on both the name of the newsgroup AND the description, since
they're typically saved as one comma-delineated text file. (3) Many
people subscribe to newsgroups based on doing a search of certain key
words.

(4) If you search on the word "gay" your newsreader will stop on groups
such as alt.homosexual and soc.motss because the word "gay" is in the
description part of the entry. (5) It will *not* stop on ba.motss because
the word "gay" is not in the description for ba.motss. (6) Thus, the
people who typically subscribe to ba.motss already know the term "motss",
but it keeps out the riff-raff Jesus creeps because they don't know to
search on "motss". The benefit of not having "gay" in the description is
relative peace and quiet.

(7) There are some lesbigay people in the SF Bay Area who are unaware of
ba.motss because they're not yet attuned to the fact that to find ba.motss
they have to search on "motss" or "Bay Area". Thus, the original poster
likely wanted to include Bay Area lesbigay people who read soc.motss, but
won't see it on ba.motss because they don't subscribe to it.

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Ken Rudolph

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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David Kaye wrote:

[...]
> (8) So, you'll be saying "Oh my...I didn't realize DK had such a greaet
> sense of humor; he's just sooo clever" and I'll have asuaged another
> peabrain and made a few points toward getting another great fuck out of
> someone out there.

Gee, is that all it takes to get laid? Howcum *I* don't get more
action?

Oh, btw, David...next time you asuage a peabrain, make *sure* he
understands just how clever you are.

--Ken Rudolph

John Whiteside

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David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:

>Yes it is; I see it all the time in the personal ad and job offers
>newsgroups right here on Usenet.

If you're posting to dc.general and say "Area Code 301" or "Area Code
703" it's a safe bet that people will know what you mean.

If you're posting worldwide it's not such a good bet.

Just to tie threads: what will Maryland's overlay area codes do to
this? Will people have to start typing "301/243?"

Michael McKinley

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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David Kaye wrote:

> (9) I've always had the ability, I just chose not to use it. Now,
>I'm using the marketing facade the public wants.

Oh. So *that's* what you're doing.

Darren Scott Cobb

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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In article <5k6jng$d0p$4...@news.wco.com>,
David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:
>
>(6) After that experience I've decided to apply a little more marketing to
>my personality. After all, a personality is simply a shell we use to show
>to others, right? So, if it's profanity and sarcasm people want, why not?


>
>(9) I've always had the ability, I just chose not to use it. Now, I'm
>using the marketing facade the public wants.

People with dismal personalities who try to staplegun a new facade
onto themselves usually don't fool anyone. Are you taking your DejaNews
notes on the Muni with you now?

Darren Scott Cobb __ . __ . _/|__ ,
Indiana University }<_;> . }<_;> . /`o _ `\_/
das...@indiana.edu __ . >,_____,/^\
http://ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu/~dascobb/ }<_;> \| `

Jake Coughlin

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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David Kaye (d...@removethis.wco.com) wrote:
: [...] "Did a bureaucrat
: pick out that hairpiece for you?" Naturally, the talking stopped as if
: someone had farted.

i wonder why these two incidents, picking on someone
for their hairpiece and farting, are "naturally"
linked.

: (6) After that experience I've decided to apply a little more marketing to


: my personality. After all, a personality is simply a shell we use to show
: to others, right? So, if it's profanity and sarcasm people want, why not?

my, how businessman-like of you.

: (9) I've always had the ability, I just chose not to use it. Now, I'm


: using the marketing facade the public wants.

when ex-hippies go a-wry.
--
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"When the tongue or the pen is let loose in a frenzy of passion, it is
the man, and not the subject, that becomes exhausted." -- Thomas Paine

David Kaye

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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John Whiteside wrote the quoted material below:
" I thought my ability to remember every area code I've ever dialed made
" me an exception, not typical.

Anybody who didn't know the location of a couple area codes would know the
announcement didn't apply to them, right smartboy? The people who read
ba.motss don't reply with smartass remarks to the many postings we see
asking about leather bars in Boston or whatever. We just ignore them,
something you might have done, had you had half a brain.

--
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David Kaye opportunity" - Flavel 1680
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David Kaye

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Jake Coughlin wrote the quoted material below:

" my, how businessman-like of you.

Hey, I want a few more dates in my life. If the way to have kept my ex
was to use profanity and sarcasm, and if that's the way I got a great lay
from a total stranger on the Muni, who am I to argue with success? One
test of sanity is the ability to *learn* from one's mistakes. Obviously
it was a mistake to be polite and sincere. People pick on me for it.
Someone I've known for 24 years thinks I'm bitter (or at least, that's
what I infer). Now, they're on full notice that I will *not* be picked
on, and will return fire.

I had a date with some guy a couple months back. He treated me to dinner
at the Patio Cafe. Everything he said was sarcasm. So far, he's dated at
least one other person in my social circle. Obviously, he gets results
with this.

" when ex-hippies go a-wry.
" --

Hey, it was you soc.motss/soc.bi people and Nadina's desire for more
spark in a relationship that set me off on that path. A personality is
just clothing we wear to meet the world.

--
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David Kaye gentleman." -- Shakespeare
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David Kaye

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Darren Scott Cobb wrote the quoted material below:

" People with dismal personalities who try to staplegun a new facade
" onto themselves usually don't fool anyone. Are you taking your DejaNews
" notes on the Muni with you now?

No, I still read the Comicle and the Examiner. Considering that I've
never even seen your name on a post before, I wonder if you even *have* a
personality at all.

--
Copyright 1997 If it's on fire it's a hardware problem.

David Kaye

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Jeffrey William Sandris wrote the quoted material below:

" I think Staplegun Facade is going to be my new drag name.

In soc.bi, a few days ago you wrote something like "Uh...I think I'm
bi...uh...what does that mean?" So god-knows you need a bit of a makeover
yourself, eh compadre?

--
Copyright 1997 Never test for an error you can not fix.

Jeremy G. Mallory

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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[Newsgroups trimmed: ba.motss has enough to suffer through.]

In article <5k7pnu$o17$1...@news.wco.com>, David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com>
wrote:


>Anybody who didn't know the location of a couple area codes would know the
>announcement didn't apply to them, right smartboy?

This is the witty part, right?

Jeremy

PS: Get a new Marketing Director.

David Kaye

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Ken Rudolph wrote the quoted material below:

" Gee, is that all it takes to get laid? Howcum *I* don't get more
" action?

Because you're a loser? Because you don't take enough hormones?

Apparently that's all it takes to get laid. Over the years I've met
people who wanted me to beat them up, people who wanted me to piss on
them, call them names, etc. When I walk down the street in bear-attire I
get these hungry looks, but no action. That's because they discover that
in person I don't act as the fierce person they want. They want an image,
not real life. My best chance of a date, Lon, lives in Los Gatos and I'm
never able to see him. In the meanwhile, I guess I'll just give the
people what they want.

At one point I did S/M professionally. I've never stated this on a
newsgroup before, but it's the truth. It was just a few years ago. In
fact, I was once the oldest person running a personal ad in the B.A.R. in
a sea of 18-20 year olds. It sparked dozens, if not hundreds of
imitators; now more than half such advertisers are over 35. Though I
never even *once* mentioned S/M or any other activity in my ad, nearly
every response I got was from someone who wanted me to whip them, beat
them up, take a dump on them. At $80 to $150 an hour, I said sure...I'll
do that.

In a recent issue of Frontiers was a story about "roid rage", the
situation where people who ingest steroids get so pumped up that they go
out abusing people. One of these guys confessed that he just couldn't get
enough action. People were all over him to pummel them, to fuck them
silly, to do all sorts of mayhem to them. Mister Nice Guy doesn't work.
I think the only reason I'm not willing to try steroids is that they tend
to shrink one's nuts. I'm very proud of my large economy-sized cajones
and prefer not to have them shrink.

--
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David Kaye because it belonged to one of the Monkees
dk at wco.com

Tim Wilson

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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In article <slrn5mepih.lvd....@huitzilo.tezcat.com>
markrob...@tezcat.com (Mark Roberts) writes:

>...(aside from a PBX)?

"Shelia's a girl I know
At BBD&O
She works the PBX
And makes out the checks"

(Allan Sherman, "Harvey and Shelia")
--
Tim Wilson http://www.ee.memphis.edu/~tim/ mailto:t-wi...@memphis.edu

Mike Reaser

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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David Kaye (d...@removethis.wco.com) wrote:
: One

: test of sanity is the ability to *learn* from one's mistakes.

So, given your track record in these here parts, you're *finally*
admitting your insanity?


--
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My family puts the "fun" in "dysfunctional".
I won't buy anything based on unsolicited email, so don't waste my time

Mike Reaser

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David Kaye (d...@removethis.wco.com) wrote:

: John Whiteside wrote the quoted material below:
: " Um, no. I was pointing out his mistake & I knew exactly what I was
: " doing.

: That's a switch.

Those of you with the sexuality-du-jour certainly know how to switch,
don't you?

XAOS

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Mike Reaser wrote in article <5k7vrl$7...@smash.gatech.edu>...

>Those of you with the sexuality-du-jour certainly know how to switch,
>don't you?

Hey! Please don't generalize me into the same category as DAK

- Steve

"Take your eyes away from me; you know I'm apathetic"
- Bigod 20, "On The Run"

Jake Coughlin

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Apr 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/30/97
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: In article <slrn5mepih.lvd....@huitzilo.tezcat.com>

: markrob...@tezcat.com (Mark Roberts) writes:
: >...(aside from a PBX)?

so, like, Mark's messsage hasn't made it panix yet
so i don't know what the hell he's talking about
with respect to PBXs, but i wanted to ask a relevant
question.

i've been calling Chrysler all day long registering
my disagreement with their decision to withdraw
advertising from Ellen: The Episode. i figure that any valid voting system
would try to restrict one vote per person, and
since it's an 800 number, one can't block their
phone's identity. however, i've been calling from
within a PBX, and my understanding is that it's
not possible to identify *a* call which originates
inside a PBX, only the PBX can be identified. is
this still true? do you think my 35 phone calls
to date have been recorded?

Ken Rudolph

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Jake Coughlin wrote:
>
> i've been calling Chrysler all day long registering
> my disagreement with their decision to withdraw
> advertising from Ellen: The Episode. i figure that any valid voting system
> would try to restrict one vote per person, and
> since it's an 800 number, one can't block their
> phone's identity. however, i've been calling from
> within a PBX, and my understanding is that it's
> not possible to identify *a* call which originates
> inside a PBX, only the PBX can be identified. is
> this still true? do you think my 35 phone calls
> to date have been recorded?

Dunno. But folks, that number is 1-800-992-1997. Press 1 for "current
media and public relations issues"-- then, press 2 to vote for the Ellen
decision, listen to the message and press 2 to disagree with their
decision to withhold advertising from the episode.

I'm rarely riled up by an issue enough to actually carry through with a
protest; but this one pisses me off sufficiently to hit that phone dial.

--Ken Rudolph

JTEM

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Ken Rudolph <ke...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>I'm rarely riled up by an issue enough to actually carry through with a
>protest; but this one pisses me off sufficiently to hit that phone dial.

Same here. I did it this morning.

John

--
JT...@SUNSPOT.TIAC.NET

The Girl

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Darren Scott Cobb (das...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:

: People with dismal personalities who try to staplegun a new facade

: onto themselves usually don't fool anyone.

Goddamnit!


Oh well. back to the old drawing board.
--
jamc...@unix.amherst.edu

"She wants me, she wants me to go to the mall! She wants me to put the
pretty pretty pretty pretty lipstick on!" -- Bikini Kill

Mike Reaser

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Tim Wilson (t...@banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu) wrote:
: (Allan Sherman, "Harvey and Shelia")

Hello, mudder. Hello fadder.

<<earworm-ducking>>

Ellen Evans

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In article <5k7qgi$o17$4...@news.wco.com>,

David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:
>Jeffrey William Sandris wrote the quoted material below:
>
>" I think Staplegun Facade is going to be my new drag name.
>
>In soc.bi, a few days ago you wrote something like "Uh...I think I'm
>bi...uh...what does that mean?" So god-knows you need a bit of a makeover
>yourself, eh compadre?

Whoosh.

Quelle surprise.
--
Ellen Evans 17 Across: The "her" of "Leave Her to Heaven"
je...@netcom.com New York Times, 7/14/96

Ellen Evans

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In article <5k7qao$o17$2...@news.wco.com>,
David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:
[]

>One
>test of sanity is the ability to *learn* from one's mistakes.

Nah, it's too easy.

Kenneth Ashton Callicott

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In article <3366F1...@worldnet.att.net>,
Ken Rudolph <ke...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:


>David Kaye wrote:
>> (8) So, you'll be saying "Oh my...I didn't realize DK had such a greaet
>> sense of humor; he's just sooo clever" and I'll have asuaged another
>> peabrain and made a few points toward getting another great fuck out of
>> someone out there.
>

>Gee, is that all it takes to get laid?

Oh my...I didn't realize Ken Rudolph had such a greaet sense of


humor; he's just sooo clever

>Howcum *I* don't get more action?

Dunno.

Ken, "greaet?" is that Old English?


--
Ken Callicott Hopkins Marine Station kac...@leland.stanford.edu
"'Mom, Dad just told me I'm *never* gonna amount to *nothin'*.'
'*Anything*. Bobby. He meant you'll never amount to *anything*.'"
--Dave Louapre and Dan Sweetman, "The Wasteland"

Arne Adolfsen

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In article <336787...@worldnet.att.net>,
Ken Rudolph <ke...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>David Kaye wrote:
>> At one point I did S/M professionally. I've never stated this on a
>> newsgroup before, but it's the truth. It was just a few years ago. In
>> fact, I was once the oldest person running a personal ad in the B.A.R. in
>> a sea of 18-20 year olds. It sparked dozens, if not hundreds of
>> imitators; now more than half such advertisers are over 35.

What does it mean to do S/M professionally? Are you saying that
you were a prostitute?

>Thank god for true pioneers like David, blazing a trail for all the
>oppressed 35+'s in the Bay Area. We would never have known the world
>was so full of DK wannabes if you hadn't enlightened us.

I can't wait until I turn 35, now that I have DAK's reported experience
as my guide.

Arne, about to be taken out to lunch by the boss and the boss's boss <ick>


--
-- Arne Adolfsen --------------- ar...@mtcc.com --- http://www.mtcc.com/~arne --

XAOS

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Arne Adolfsen wrote in article ...


>I can't wait until I turn 35, now that I have DAK's reported experience
>as my guide.

Yeah, whatever...I'll get there first :P

>Arne, about to be taken out to lunch by the boss and the boss's boss
<ick>

I initially misread your "<ick>" as "<lick>" and thought to myself,
"Well, at least he has the integrity to come right out and say
that he's playing sycophant bootlicker to his bosses..."

- Steve, who has much more respect for Arne than that

"Tonight you sleep in hell"
- :wumpscut: "Thorns"

Arne Adolfsen

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In article <5k864a$4...@camel7.mindspring.com>,
XAOS <xa...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Arne Adolfsen wrote in article ...
>>I can't wait until I turn 35, now that I have DAK's reported experience
>>as my guide.

>Yeah, whatever...I'll get there first :P

Of course you will.

>>Arne, about to be taken out to lunch by the boss and the boss's boss
><ick>

>I initially misread your "<ick>" as "<lick>" and thought to myself,
>"Well, at least he has the integrity to come right out and say
>that he's playing sycophant bootlicker to his bosses..."

Well, I do sorta have to play sycophant bootlicker to my bosses.
I try to limit that bootlicking to boyish laughter at their
"humorous" anecdotes and to being irresistably charming and
charismatic when I'm with them.

>- Steve, who has much more respect for Arne than that

How little you know.

Arne "I ordered the most expenseive thing on the menu (sashimi)" Adolfsen

Queen of the Damned

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Ellen Evans (je...@netcom.com) wrote:

: In article <5k7qgi$o17$4...@news.wco.com>,
: David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:
: >Jeffrey William Sandris wrote the quoted material below:


: >
: >" I think Staplegun Facade is going to be my new drag name.
: >
: >In soc.bi, a few days ago you wrote something like "Uh...I think I'm
: >bi...uh...what does that mean?" So god-knows you need a bit of a makeover
: >yourself, eh compadre?

: Whoosh.

NOPE! NOPE! *DOESN'T* *COUNT*!


--
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Splat X Splat
*X*

Queen of the Damned

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Ellen Evans (je...@netcom.com) wrote:

: In article <5k7qao$o17$2...@news.wco.com>,
: David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:
: []
: >One


: >test of sanity is the ability to *learn* from one's mistakes.

: Nah, it's too easy.

Pre-cisely.

Queen of the Damned

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David Kaye (d...@removethis.wco.com) wrote:
: Jeffrey William Sandris wrote the quoted material below:

: " I think Staplegun Facade is going to be my new drag name.

: In soc.bi, a few days ago you wrote something like "Uh...I think I'm
: bi...uh...what does that mean?" So god-knows you need a bit of a makeover
: yourself, eh compadre?

I just want to repeat, at this time, that David is Fuzz Madison
of the current epoch. As such, he is much too easy and NO ONE
GETS ANY POINTS FOR COUNTING KAYE COUP!

Is that understood?

Mike Reaser

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Queen of the Damned (x...@mtcc.com) wrote:


: David Kaye (d...@removethis.wco.com) wrote:
: : Jeffrey William Sandris wrote the quoted material below:

: : " I think Staplegun Facade is going to be my new drag name.

: : In soc.bi, a few days ago you wrote something like "Uh...I think I'm
: : bi...uh...what does that mean?" So god-knows you need a bit of a makeover
: : yourself, eh compadre?

: I just want to repeat, at this time, that David is Fuzz Madison
: of the current epoch. As such, he is much too easy and NO ONE
: GETS ANY POINTS FOR COUNTING KAYE COUP!

^^^^^^^^^

You misspelled "caca". HTH.

David Kaye

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Mike Reaser wrote the quoted material below:

" So, given your track record in these here parts, you're *finally*
" admitting your insanity?

Posting in soc.motss has never been a mistake for me; it's always
generated plenty of fascinating email, which you may remember, is the
reason I post in the first place.

--
Copyright 1997 When our jobs are gone who'll
David Kaye be able to buy computers?
dk at wco.com

Greg Parkinson

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In article <5k7n7h$4...@panix3.panix.com>, ja...@panix.com (Jake Coughlin) wrote:

> David Kaye (d...@removethis.wco.com) wrote:
> : [...] "Did a bureaucrat
> : pick out that hairpiece for you?" Naturally, the talking stopped as if
> : someone had farted.
>
> i wonder why these two incidents, picking on someone
> for their hairpiece and farting, are "naturally"
> linked.

I'm not surprised that someone who goes on and and on and on
and on about how gay people are so critical of others based
on how they look would insult someone based on how they look.

It's obvious who has the problem here and it's not the
guy with the hairpiece.

-----------------------------------------------------
Greg Parkinson To send mail, remove
Santa Monica, CA. ".ZZZZ" from my address
-----------------------------------------------------

Ken Rudolph

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David Kaye wrote:

> At one point I did S/M professionally. I've never stated this on a
> newsgroup before, but it's the truth. It was just a few years ago. In
> fact, I was once the oldest person running a personal ad in the B.A.R. in
> a sea of 18-20 year olds. It sparked dozens, if not hundreds of
> imitators; now more than half such advertisers are over 35.

Thank god for true pioneers like David, blazing a trail for all the


oppressed 35+'s in the Bay Area. We would never have known the world
was so full of DK wannabes if you hadn't enlightened us.

--Ken Rudolph

John Whiteside

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cog...@netcom.com (Steve Cogorno) wrote:

>John's point was that the original post didn't say that Midnight Sun was in
>San Francisco. My point was that John didn't say which Metro he was talking
>about. Therefore, he made the same mistake that the original poster made.

Um, no. I was pointing out his mistake & I knew exactly what I was
doing.

---
John Whiteside | Washington, DC
whiteside at mindspring.com
(to reply by email, remove .NOSPAM from my address)

David Kaye

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Jeffrey William Sandris wrote the quoted material below:
" But David, you're now pretending that you *just* started paying
" attention. You have to assume that Darren's been around forever to
" make it work.

I had no idea he's been around. Looking over past posts I didn't see it,
but then I'm only going back a few weeks to a couple months.

David Kaye

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Jeffrey William Sandris wrote the quoted material below:
" I parodied the perennial "what does motss mean" thread.

Yeah, that's what they all say. "Uh, yeah, I was just doing a parody. I
really know what bisexuality is all about..." If that were the case, the
monosexuals wouldn't have their undies in a wad over whether bi people are
"using het privilege" and other nonsense. Take a break; come back when
you're sober.

" So did
" chycky-poo dump you because she found out that when you fucked her you
" pretended she was a man who humped telephone poles?

I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp, but fantasy wasn't
necessary. She was lots of fun in bed, at the bus stop, in theatres, on
BART, etc. Are you the kind of guy who has to play back memories of his
dad molesting him in order to get it up? I don't do fantasy. Reality is
far more fun, and afterward I don't feel dirty, as it appears you do to
even suggest that fantasy is necessary for sex.

--
Copyright 1997 Worldwide 20,000 acres of rainforest
David Kaye are cut down daily.
dk at wco.com

Steve Cogorno

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In article <5k80hl$d...@panix3.panix.com> ja...@panix.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>: In article <slrn5mepih.lvd....@huitzilo.tezcat.com>

>i've been calling Chrysler all day long registering
>my disagreement with their decision to withdraw
>advertising from Ellen: The Episode. i figure that any valid voting system
>would try to restrict one vote per person, and
>since it's an 800 number, one can't block their
>phone's identity. however, i've been calling from
>within a PBX, and my understanding is that it's
>not possible to identify *a* call which originates
>inside a PBX, only the PBX can be identified. is
>this still true? do you think my 35 phone calls

It is usually still true. Some advanced PBXs transmit the station ID that
originated the call; however this is usually transmitted as CallerID. 800
numers do not record the phone based on CallerID (that's why you cannot
block it). The 800 number owner gets the ANI (Automatic Number
Identification) of the billing trunk. This is done so that the customer can
audit the bill to ensure that the phone company isn't making up calls.
Billing trunks have no correlation to the PBX phone extension used to place
the call.


--

Steve
cog...@netcom.com

Rich Will Powers

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In <5k7qao$o17$2...@news.wco.com> David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> writes:

>Hey, it was you soc.motss/soc.bi people and Nadina's desire for more
>spark in a relationship that set me off on that path. A personality is
>just clothing we wear to meet the world.

Did a bureaucrat pick out that personality for you?

rwp
--
Just say know.

Rich Will Powers rpo...@panix.com

Mike Reaser

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On 30 Apr 1997 23:52:52 GMT, David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:

>Mike Reaser wrote the quoted material below:
>
>" So, given your track record in these here parts, you're *finally*
>" admitting your insanity?
>
>Posting in soc.motss has never been a mistake for me; it's always
>generated plenty of fascinating email, which you may remember, is the
>reason I post in the first place.

Context, context, context. Nowhere do you quote anything I supposedly
posted about your posting in soc.motss being a "mistake". In the original
context (which The Oracle Of The Castro, being completely context-impaired,
conveniently deleted to attempt to build his strawman), my post was in
response to the statement you posted in message ID <5k7qao$o17$2...@news.wco.com>,
as follows:

: One
: test of sanity is the ability to *learn* from one's mistakes.

I was questioning your sanity, in view of your inability to learn from
mistakes you've made such as your claims about how certain posters contracted
Hepatitis, how other posters "must be" alcoholics because they deign to
enter a bar periodically, ad nauseum. Being repeatedly refuted does nothing
to deter you from yet again making outlandish and unsubstantiated claims
about others -- claims which can and do border on the defamatory.

In other words, not about the fact that you post to soc.motss; it's about
*what* and *how* you post to soc.motss.


-- Mike Reaser, Atl., GA B5/6 f+tw+cdvg+k+vs+l+ aka HickBear on IRC
m...@mindspring.com m...@spdcc.com m...@photobooks.atdc.gatech.edu

A word to the wise is usually unnecessary.

Steve Kalbach

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Steve Cogorno <cog...@netcom.com> wrote in article
<cogornoE...@netcom.com>...

Hello,

I worked on a project that worked with 800 numbers and ANIs. In testing
this program, I had to add 4 or 5 of the 24 outgoing line IDs assigned by
the LEC for each trunk to my database. When I dialed from my extension I
and monitored the screen where the program was running I could see the ANI
that was coming in with the 800 number from our PBX. Depending on line
use, I would sometimes get a number that was in the database and sometimes
not. Thus, only calls with ANIs in the database were presented back to the
switch for further routing while the others were presented to the switch
for treatment usually a message like, "Were sorry but your call cannot be
completed as dialed." When the product was released, the companies that
had PBXs had to find out from their LECs what the assigned IDs for their
out going trunks were so they could use the service without interruption.
This same routing scheme was also used to detect fraud on pre-paid calling
card and regular calling card. We had established hourly call limits that
would cause a caller to go to treatment if they called more than
N--depending on the limit established--times from the same ANI. We had a
large Hospital that was using Pre-paid calling cards and we were always
shutting them down until they finally collected all their assigned outgoing
IDs for their trunk lines and we added them to our override database. It
was sort of funny because they had sent us their incoming IDs thinking that
was what the PBX was out-pulsing; however, their outgoing trunks were not
the same. So, in answer to the first posters question, depending on the
number of outgoing trunks your PBX has and the line use, it is possible
that some of your calls could have been rejected by the Chrysler system if
their software was monitoring ANI. Also, it is possible that your outgoing
trunks could all out-pulse the same number; thus, if they are monitoring
the ANI then only your first call was recorded. And in response to the
second poster, we employed this same system for personal 800 which allowed
a user to set-up ANIs that could dial the 800#, for a product called I800
which allowed registered users to dial the 800 number and make
INTERNATIONAL calls at cheaper rates, fraud detection, and call forwarding
sending the call to the appropriate customer service center based on
originating NPA. Thus, the ANI played a far larger role than just
determining if we were getting billed for bogus 800 calls from the RESPORG.

Regards,

David Kaye

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HotlantaBoy wrote the quoted material below:
" can't understand it. Why the change. Don't let these offensive guys get
" you down. I like you just the way you are. I agree with you about the
" sarcastic things people say, some of these guys have sharp tounges but
" their nothing inside. They aren't any good in bed either. [....]

Thanks for writing. I'm not worried about any sharp tongues. What I
wrote was a put-on. I must confess that sometimes the power of the
Internet is very seductive. I like to pull the strings of the people in
soc.motss from time to time. In less than 24 hours that *one* post drew
nearly 30 dozen public posts and about 30 emails. They all bit -- Drew
Simchik, Arne whatever, Ellen Evans, Queen of the Damned, etc. basically
everyone but Michael Thomas. It's fun to tweak those pompous
soc.motsseurs.

Most of the mail pretty much said as you did: that sarcasm is used a lot
by gay men because it's a sort of one-upsmanship by people who don't have
a lot going on. What was interesting in the email response was one person
who normally says nasty things suddenly acting very contrite. I guess he
didn't want anything suddenly coming down on him after I suggested that
one of the more nasty people on soc.motss drank too much.

And for the record, yes, my ex did used to criticize me for not being
sarcastic and not using profanity. And I do admire Jack and others who
are out there doing street theatre, etc. That much is true. The rest of
it, including the story about the guy and his hairpiece, is 100% beef
jerky. Didn't happen.

I had intended to carry it on longer, but unfortunately some people who I
thought knew better began to take it seriously.

--
Copyright 1997 Without love and trust all one
David Kaye can be in life is alone.
dk at wco.com

David Kaye

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Jake Coughlin wrote the quoted material below:

" phone's identity. however, i've been calling from
" within a PBX, and my understanding is that it's
" not possible to identify *a* call which originates
" inside a PBX, only the PBX can be identified.

Depending on how the ANI is passed (there are several options) it could
register as your DID extension (your station's phone number). It could
also register as the trunk into your company's PBX. It could also
register as your telco's CO switch. ANI is different from Caller ID (It's
passed differently, for one). ANI will attempt to resolve every call, but
the info may be incomplete. It will at least indicate the local telco's
central office.

--
Copyright 1997 When in SF see the Maritime Museum, including 7
David Kaye ocean-going ships, schooners, subs and tugboats
dk at wco.com

Rich Will Powers

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In <5k8m0k$1ct$5...@news.wco.com> David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> writes:
>Mike Reaser wrote the quoted material below:

>" So, given your track record in these here parts, you're *finally*
>" admitting your insanity?

>Posting in soc.motss has never been a mistake for me; it's always
>generated plenty of fascinating email, which you may remember, is the
>reason I post in the first place.

I thought you just got finished telling us that you post to get
"points toward getting another great fuck out of someone out there"?

Astro Boy

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Jeffrey Sandris:
>D*vid Kay*:

>>monosexuals wouldn't have their undies in a wad over whether bi people are
>>"using het privilege" and other nonsense.
>What the fuck are you babbling about?

My guess is that David doesn't think his MOTOS relationship
was privileged becuase she ended up dumping him.

>>Take a break; come back when you're sober.

>Guess what, David: I've never been intoxicated in any way. Heck,
>I've never even been rimmed by Tim Evanson.

But he's lusted after your anus in his heart, Jeffie.

>>Are you the kind of guy who has to play back memories of his
>>dad molesting him in order to get it up?

>Nope. Dad was quite a dead fuck...

I'm amazed at your strength, Jeffrey, when you can joke
like this --- albeit with irony --- in response to a
typically insensitive, cruel remark by K*ye.
--
Brian Kane~~kane at spdcc dot com~~http://ursa-major.spdcc.com/home/kane/
(To reply by e-mail, delete big B...R...I...A...N)
"Hey big boy, hear you're coming to the con!" --- anonymous e-mail to me

Andrew D. Simchik

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On 30 Apr 1997, David Kaye wrote:

> Jake Coughlin wrote the quoted material below:
> " my, how businessman-like of you.
>
> Hey, I want a few more dates in my life.

Have you considered looking outside the monastery?

> If the way to have kept my ex
> was to use profanity and sarcasm,

So that *is* what you meant. Did she really dump your ass
because you were against profanity and sarcasm, or was it
that you were inflicting your self-righteous priggishness
on her?

> and if that's the way I got a great lay
> from a total stranger on the Muni, who am I to argue with success?

Fsvo "success".

> One
> test of sanity is the ability to *learn* from one's mistakes. Obviously
> it was a mistake to be polite and sincere. People pick on me for it.

Maybe they just pick on you because you're a dipshit.
Polite dipshit, asshole dipshit...the only difference
is that I used to ignore your posts, and now I don't.
But hey! negative attention is still attention. Who
are you to argue with success?

> Someone I've known for 24 years thinks I'm bitter (or at least, that's
> what I infer). Now, they're on full notice that I will *not* be picked
> on, and will return fire.

Alienating old friends is a great
self-improvement strategy, is it?

> I had a date with some guy a couple months back. He treated me to dinner
> at the Patio Cafe. Everything he said was sarcasm. So far, he's dated at
> least one other person in my social circle. Obviously, he gets results
> with this.

Maybe he's just in Great Shape.

> Hey, it was you soc.motss/soc.bi people and Nadina's desire for more
> spark in a relationship that set me off on that path. A personality is
> just clothing we wear to meet the world.

So should we have you arrested for indecent exposure,
Imperial Majesty?

--
Andrew D. Simchik
schn...@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu
http://www.cif.rochester.edu/users/schnopia/
"Join me or die! Can you do any less?" -- Mr. Sparkle


Michael McKinley

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David Kaye wrote:
> I like to pull the strings of the people in
> soc.motss from time to time.

Don't you mean "push the buttons?" Gepetto?

Ann Burlingham

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In article <5k8391$p...@tom.unix.amherst.edu>,
The Girl <jamc...@unix.amherst.edu> wrote:

>Oh well. back to the old drawing board.

That reminds me - while the New Yorker has done its bit in this decade to
add another catchphrase to our vocabulary ("On the Internet, nobody knows
you're a dog."), I want everyone here to help keep all the old classics
alive. Jessica has done a fine job, above; now will everyone make an
effort to use my favorite, "I say it's spinach, and I say the hell
with it!"

-Ann, offering extra credit for the use of the non-New Yorker but
Western-New-York-originating phrase, "doing a land-office business"
--
Q.: Do you want us all to end up speaking some sort of bland,
neutered, sub-Orwellian meaningless drivel.
Ellen Evans: Desperately. It is my fondest hope.

Andrew D. Simchik

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On 1 May 1997, David Kaye wrote:

> Thanks for writing. I'm not worried about any sharp tongues. What I
> wrote was a put-on. I must confess that sometimes the power of the
> Internet is very seductive. I like to pull the strings of the people in
> soc.motss from time to time. In less than 24 hours that *one* post drew
> nearly 30 dozen public posts and about 30 emails. They all bit -- Drew
> Simchik, Arne whatever, Ellen Evans, Queen of the Damned, etc. basically

You can spell "Simchik" but you can't spell Adolfs...
Adolphs...
...er, never mind.

> everyone but Michael Thomas. It's fun to tweak those pompous
> soc.motsseurs.

You mean you're not really mean and nasty?

What a relief!

'Cause *I* thought you were mean and nasty. Whew!

> Most of the mail pretty much said as you did: that sarcasm is used a lot
> by gay men because it's a sort of one-upsmanship by people who don't have
> a lot going on. What was interesting in the email response was one person
> who normally says nasty things suddenly acting very contrite. I guess he
> didn't want anything suddenly coming down on him after I suggested that
> one of the more nasty people on soc.motss drank too much.

Yeah, it sure would suck if *you* started
spreading nasty rumors about him. Man!

> And for the record, yes, my ex did used to criticize me for not being
> sarcastic and not using profanity.

What a fucking freak. Good riddance!

> are out there doing street theatre, etc. That much is true. The rest of
> it, including the story about the guy and his hairpiece, is 100% beef
> jerky. Didn't happen.

But I still get to be a whiner, right?

> I had intended to carry it on longer, but unfortunately some people who I
> thought knew better began to take it seriously.

David, from you I would expect almost anything.

Even an apology.

Ken Rudolph

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Michael McKinley wrote:

>
> David Kaye wrote:
> > I like to pull the strings of the people in
> > soc.motss from time to time.
>
> Don't you mean "push the buttons?" Gepetto?

Or "pull their chains." Precision in his choice of words, like his
perception of points of view outside of his own head, isn't DAK's forte.

--Ken Rudolph

Sandy Hereld

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An...@cris.com (Ann Burlingham) writes:

>-Ann, offering extra credit for the use of the non-New Yorker but
>Western-New-York-originating phrase, "doing a land-office business"

Hmm... I had always heard (from my born-and-raised-in-Oklahoma
father--probably not the best source) that the phrase, 'doing land-office
business' came from the Oklahoma land rush. (Hmm, that should have been
"doin' land-office business.")

(chicks and ducks and geese better scurry)
S--
--
Sandy she...@halcyon.com
-----------------------------------

David W. Fenton

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David Kaye (d...@removethis.wco.com) wrote:
: John Whiteside wrote the quoted material below:
: " I thought my ability to remember every area code I've ever dialed made
: " me an exception, not typical.
:
: Anybody who didn't know the location of a couple area codes would know the
: announcement didn't apply to them, right smartboy?. . .

You're such a fucking worthless piece of shit.

But I digress.

The point is that people don't necessarily _recognize_ the numbers as
area codes if they aren't _familiar_ area codes.

It's a really stupid issue, in any case.

Not surprisingly, you seem to find it fascinating and keep posting and
posting and posting.

David W. Fenton | "What do you need to know? I weep. I
New York University | suffer. Farewell." -- famous "Musi-
dfe...@bway.net | cologist" Joseph Machlis on translating
http://www.bway.net/~dfenton | opera from languages he doesn't know.

Greg Parkinson

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In article <5kbeom$nj6$3...@news.wco.com>, David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com>
wrote:

> The Girl wrote the quoted material below:
>
> " You know, Morph, your constant femme-baiting reminds me overmuch of
> " closet-case fagbaiting. What's your problem, anyway?
>
> Should this surprise anyone? He has a serious sexual identity problem
> that soc.motss is certainly not going to solve. Perhaps some therapy
> might.

Oh thank GOD, I'm not bisexual after all!

Daniel Chase Edmonds

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that bitch (il...@mtcc.com) wrote:

: You *really* have no clue, do you DAK?

It's at moments like this that I'm most resistant to the tendency
of many-a-soc.motsseur to refer to me as DCE.


Queen of the Damned

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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Ken Rudolph (ke...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:

I wonder how he'd look in a pair of ruby pumps...

NO! NO! I DIDN'T SAY THAT! IT'S TOO EASY!

TAKE IT BACK! I TAKE IT BACK!

John Whiteside

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g...@cinenet.net.ZZZZ (Greg Parkinson) wrote:

>I thought you didn't remember what people had written
>previously and took each post on its merits?

Although evidence suggests that what David doesn't remember is what he
himself has written.

John Whiteside

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David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:

>(4) If you search on the word "gay" your newsreader will stop on groups
>such as alt.homosexual and soc.motss because the word "gay" is in the
>description part of the entry.

I just tried this with my newsreader. It didn't find any group that
didn't have gay in the name. Maybe I have to get the Official San
Francisco Newsreader for this to work.

John Whiteside

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David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:

>I don't see any mistake the original poster might have made (except
>possibly crossposting it to the ingrates at soc.motss in the first place).
>It was clear that the 415 and 510 area codes were in the title. Those of
>us who know those area codes knew it was aimed toward us.
>
>I think the person who included soc.motss in the post did so to be sure to
>reach SF Bay Area people who might read that newsgroup, not knowing about
>ba.motss's existence. (One can't search on "gay" to find ba.motss as they
>can to find soc.motss, so I'm sure many people don't know it exists.)

One could accomplish this with absolute clarity by saying, "Coming out
party for Ellen in San Francisco."

John Whiteside

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markrob...@tezcat.com (Mark Roberts) wrote:

> Yes, but can you remember every long-distance *access* code
>you've ever dialed (aside from a PBX)?

No!

John Whiteside

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David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:

>Anybody who didn't know the location of a couple area codes would know the
>announcement didn't apply to them, right smartboy?

Maybe they didn't know they were area codes.

>The people who read
>ba.motss don't reply with smartass remarks to the many postings we see
>asking about leather bars in Boston or whatever.

Do a lot of people actually post questions to ba.motss asking about
leather bars in Boston? That strikes me as a kind of strange thing to
do.

Or do they just ask about leather bars in 617?

> We just ignore them,
>something you might have done, had you had half a brain.

Sorry, I went for the full model.

I thought my response barely qualified as a "smartass comment,"
actually; I wrote it more as a gentle poke at the often-encountered
assumption of San Franciscans that they live in the center of the
universe.

My first reaction was to think that you were reacting so strongly
because you don't like me; but then Greg's post reminded me that you
don't remember who posts what, so obviously you have no idea who I am
or what I've posted in the past. So maybe you're just a bit unbalanced
in general. Don't worry, I won't take it personally.

John Whiteside

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David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:

>Indeed it is "the Muni", not "the Metro" here. Also, "Muni" is an
>abbreviation for "Municipal Railway", not an acronym, so only the first
>letter is capitalized. There's a reason why the Muni is called the Muni.
>Streetcar systems typically are legacies of earlier eras. Most were
>originally private, and thus not "municipal" anything. But the SF Muni
>was the first publicly-funded city transit system in the USA. It has
>always been a municipal service, never private.

Metro, on the other hand, has never been either municipal or private.

Of course, this suggests that the person who asked if I meant the San
Francisco Metro is *extra* clueless.

Ann Burlingham

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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In article <5kasb4$3bb$1...@halcyon.com>,

Sandy Hereld <she...@halcyon.com> wrote:
>An...@cris.com (Ann Burlingham) writes:
>>-Ann, offering extra credit for the use of the non-New Yorker but
>>Western-New-York-originating phrase, "doing a land-office business"
>
>Hmm... I had always heard (from my born-and-raised-in-Oklahoma
>father--probably not the best source) that the phrase, 'doing land-office
>business' came from the Oklahoma land rush. (Hmm, that should have been
>"doin' land-office business.")

The Holland Land Company. Batavia, New York. Earlier land rush.
According to my mother, who's really From Chicago, so doesn't have
a local interest, but who could be wrong.

The third volume of the recently-arrived _Dictionary of American
Regional English_ is silent on the matter (shocking!), and _A
Dictionary of American Idioms_ provides no source (annoying).

David Kaye

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John Whiteside wrote the quoted material below:

" Do a lot of people actually post questions to ba.motss asking about
" leather bars in Boston? That strikes me as a kind of strange thing to
" do.

Indeed, but it has happened more often than I've kept track of. I guess,
we all being high-income upperclass fags and all, we're probably flying
all over the country and checking into the leather bars in Boston, lolling
on the beach in P-town, and dancing in Key West. Of course, if my
Microsoft stock keeps going up....

--
Copyright 1997 It's always darkest before you step on the cat.
David Kaye
dk at wco.com

The Girl

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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that bitch (il...@mtcc.com) wrote:
: In article <5kbeom$nj6$3...@news.wco.com>,
: David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:
: >The Girl wrote the quoted material below:
: >
: >" You know, Morph, your constant femme-baiting reminds me overmuch of


: >" closet-case fagbaiting. What's your problem, anyway?
: >
: >Should this surprise anyone? He has a serious sexual identity problem
: >that soc.motss is certainly not going to solve. Perhaps some therapy
: >might.

It was a JOKE! Sheesh. What's his problem anyway?

: You *really* have no clue, do you DAK?

And what's HER problem anyway, anyway? Ilona, you of all people should
recognize this particular earworm gone horribly, well, awry. I thought
it was too obvious.. apparently I have only managed to infect myself.

Sorry Morph. Lack of sleep I suppose.

Jessica, whose newsfeed hasn't sent her any responses but has sent a few of
the responses to the respoonses.. I hate this thing.

--
jamc...@unix.amherst.edu

"I liked having him around. It was so--so *heartening* to watch him eat."
--Mom (on D) explaining a lot

David Kaye

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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Ken Rudolph wrote the quoted material below:

" Or "pull their chains." Precision in his choice of words, like his
" perception of points of view outside of his own head, isn't DAK's forte.

I meant "pull their strings" as the way someone pulls a puppet's strings.
I pull, you respond. And respond they DID. To date the response is still
coming in! What a bunch of dummies.

--
Copyright 1997 The US has 32,000 pounds of
David Kaye opium for radiation sickness.
dk at wco.com

Ann Burlingham

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In article <glp-010597...@ppp68.cinenet.net>,

Greg Parkinson <g...@cinenet.net.ZZZZ> wrote:
>In article <5kbeom$nj6$3...@news.wco.com>, David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com>
>wrote:
>> The Girl wrote the quoted material below:

>> " You know, Morph, your constant femme-baiting reminds me overmuch of
>> " closet-case fagbaiting. What's your problem, anyway?

>> Should this surprise anyone? He has a serious sexual identity problem
>> that soc.motss is certainly not going to solve. Perhaps some therapy
>> might.
>

>Oh thank GOD, I'm not bisexual after all!

Now The Story Can Be Told.

--
"This sounds surprisingly like the 'you have two children and they just
fell into a lake. they cannot swim. you only have time to save one.'
argument. *My* answer? We'd *talk* about it. It's worked before."
-Jenner / Donn Pedro

XAOS

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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Ann Burlingham wrote in article <5kbu65$1...@chronicle.concentric.net>...


>Greg Parkinson <g...@cinenet.net.ZZZZ> wrote:
>>Oh thank GOD, I'm not bisexual after all!

*ahem*

>Now The Story Can Be Told.

Just because it *can* be told, doesn't mean it *should* be told...

>"This sounds surprisingly like the 'you have two children and they just
>fell into a lake. they cannot swim. you only have time to save one.'
>argument. *My* answer? We'd *talk* about it. It's worked before."
> -Jenner / Donn Pedro


*BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*

- Steve, about to get spiky blonde hair of his very own

"Tonight you sleep in hell"
:wumpscut: "Thorns"

Marina Muilwijk

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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beth (s)linker wrote:
>
> In article <5kb5ac$6...@tom.unix.amherst.edu> The Girl wrote:
> : The Morph on the Other Side of the Mirror (g...@panix.com) wrote:
>
> : : So does that mean you're ditching the skirts and lipstick?
>
> : You know, Morph, your constant femme-baiting reminds me overmuch of

> : closet-case fagbaiting. What's your problem, anyway?
>
> it's definitely internalized femmophobia.

Lots of nice people have that (go read nl.roze for prove). I think all
they need is to meet the right femme.

> -beth, who got to see morph in a skirt once but wasn't allowed to take
> pictures...

Only once? I saw her in a skirt twice, but I wasn't allowed to take
pictures either.

OTOH, there are people who saw me in a dress (and took pictures)

--
Marina Muilwijk
University Utrecht
m.mui...@ubu.ruu.nl (work) marina....@pi.net (home)

Robert S. Coren

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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In article <5kbod6$o...@panix3.panix.com>,
The Morph on the Other Side of the Mirror <g...@panix.com> wrote:
>il...@mtcc.com (that bitch) writes:
>
>>Actually, I think it's goo-natured teasing on Morph's part.
> ^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
>I do *not* have big hair!!!

My first reaction to this was to laugh out loud. My second reaction,
on actually scanning the image (figuratively speaking), was to be
very, very afraid.

--Robert (who's always admired Morph's goo nature)
--
-------Robert Coren (co...@spdcc.com)-------------------------
"Never try to outstubborn a cat." -- R. A. Heinlein

Robert S. Coren

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In article <5kcn28$k...@camel4.mindspring.com>,


XAOS <xa...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>- Steve, about to get spiky blonde hair of his very own

This newsgroup is just full of frightening hair images today.
--
-------Robert Coren (co...@spdcc.com)-------------------------
"Noise proves nothing. Often a hen who has merely laid an egg
cackles as if she had laid an asteroid." -- Mark Twain

Robert S. Coren

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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In article <5kbof3$rfb$2...@news.wco.com>,
David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:

>Indeed, but it has happened more often than I've kept track of. I guess,
>we all being high-income upperclass fags and all, we're probably flying
>all over the country and checking into the leather bars in Boston, lolling
>on the beach in P-town, and dancing in Key West. Of course, if my
>Microsoft stock keeps going up....

Yet *another* reason to wish for bad things to happen to Microsoft.

(Bad Robert! Following up to DAK -- we've warned you about that!
Where's that newspapaer?...)
--
-------Robert Coren (co...@spdcc.com)-------------------------
"I never think naked -- stop dysfunctional obsessive art"
--WordsCubed


Greg Parkinson

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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In article <5k6idl$d0p$3...@news.wco.com>, David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com>
wrote:

> Greg Parkinson wrote the quoted material below:
>
> " Search what?
>
> Just goes to prove my point about soc.motsseurs.
>
> Let's go over this slowly so that even Greg can get it: (1) On most
> newsreaders you can search for newsgroups. (2) The search function will
> search on both the name of the newsgroup AND the description, since
> they're typically saved as one comma-delineated text file. (3) Many
> people subscribe to newsgroups based on doing a search of certain key
> words.

Well, my newsreader doesn't show newsgroup descriptions so I would
have had to find soc.motss using one of the countless other ways
of searching the internet, which was why I asked what search method
would show up soc.motss as "gay" but not ba.motss.

You're so predictable. It wouldn't occur to *you* to do a search
on "motss" once you learned that it was some sort of acronym associated
with things gay on usenet, so no one would. It wouldn't occur to
*you* to use any search tools other than your newsreader, so no
one would.

Thanks for all the typing, though.

FJ!!

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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In article <5kbod6$o...@panix3.panix.com>,
The Morph on the Other Side of the Mirror <g...@panix.com> wrote:
>I do *not* have big hair!!!

We can fix that.
FJ!!

"Microcomputers suck." -- Melinda Shore

FJ!!

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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In article <5kcvh1$e...@panix3.panix.com>,


The Morph on the Other Side of the Mirror <g...@panix.com> wrote:

>So what is it about these Nouveau Femme types that causes them to
>accuse all their friends of closet femminess; do they get a free
>manicure for every five recruits?

It is all your fault that my cuticles are in such bad shape.

FJ!!

"I'd be honored to manage your bacteria!" - Darren Scott Cobb

David Kaye

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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Greg Parkinson wrote the quoted material below:

" You're so predictable. It wouldn't occur to *you* to do a search
" on "motss" once you learned that it was some sort of acronym associated
" with things gay on usenet, so no one would. It wouldn't occur to
" *you* to use any search tools other than your newsreader, so no
" one would.

DUH...if I hadn't searched on *.motss I wouldn't have found ba.motss.
However, is is a fact that ba.motss has far less spam (nearly none), and
no rightwing wackos. So, you say, ba.motss isn't distributed nationwide,
and *that* is the reason it's free of spam and fundies. Au contraire.
Because so many ISPs are based in this region, ba.motss has nearly the
same distribution as soc.motss. What other explanation is there, except
that ba.motss is one of the few lesbigay newsgroup without the word "gay"
in its description line?

--
Copyright 1997 In 1895 some scientists thought they could
David Kaye photograph the soul using X-rays.
dk at wco.com

David Morck

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In article <slrn5mk0lh.sl....@huitzilo.tezcat.com>,
Mark Roberts <markrob...@tezcat.com> wrote:
> Well, I'm in heaven today I think. The front page of the
>_Sun-Times_ has these headlines:

> "847 split threatened: Alternative is 11-digit numbers for
>local calls" (Dave, you may have yet another area code under your
>belt!)

AARGH!!! Damndamndamn. You know, if my boyfriend wasn't in another
state, I'd rip the stinking phone out of the wall.
>
> "Marin quits Channel 5" (Carol Marin quits over the
>station's hiring of Jerry Springer to do nightly commentaries)

AARGH!!! Damndamndamn. I *liked* Carol Marin. Who are they going to
hire to replace her, Jenny Jones?

dave

--
-----------\--------------------------------------------------------------
David Morck \ Q. What do you think the title of Mia Farrow's
dmo...@mcs.com \ autobiography should be? -Matt
\ A. Mia Culpa. -Me

Astro Boy

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Ilona Koren-B.:
>Ilona, who first met Sammie because we were fighting about
>makeup (remember that what's in your purse thread?)


So what was in Sammie's purse?
--
Brian Kane~~kane at spdcc dot com~~http://ursa-major.spdcc.com/home/kane/
(To reply by e-mail, delete big B...R...I...A...N)
"Hey big boy, hear you're coming to the con!" --- anonymous e-mail to me

Thomas Farrell

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In article <E9K7r...@spdcc.com>, FJ!! <f...@spdcc.com.DEL> wrote:
>In article <5kbod6$o...@panix3.panix.com>,

>The Morph on the Other Side of the Mirror <g...@panix.com> wrote:
>>I do *not* have big hair!!!
>
>We can fix that.

You paint her face, I'll do her hair... but first we've got to decide
what color sequins the evening gown I make for her will be.

Tom, worried what Morph will do to him when next we meet...
--
Tom Farrell - http://www.skepsis.com/~tfarrell/
Mount Wilson Observatory - http://www.mtwilson.edu/
Learn how to knit - http://www.skepsis.com/~tfarrell/textiles/knit/

Charlie Fulton

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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XAOS (xa...@mindspring.com) wrote:

: - Steve, about to get spiky blonde hair of his very own

Eeeep, what a *horrible* idea! Please reconsider!

--
Charlie Fulton---foultone@mtcc.com---http://www.mtcc.com/~foultone/
"Since the beginning of time, man has yearned to destroy the sun."
Montgomery Burns

John Dorrance

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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David Kaye wrote:

> John Dorrance wrote the quoted material below:
> " I thought they were some obscure coordinates or something. I guess
> " in a way they are. Is this common, to indicate a location by its area
> " code?

> Yes it is; I see it all the time in the personal ad and job offers
> newsgroups right here on Usenet.

So if you've never looked for a job or a fuck on the net,
is it okay not to have had any idea what the fuck the
original poster was talking about?

John

Ned Deily

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that girl:
>that bitch:
>>that kaye:
>>>The Girl:

>>>>You know, Morph, your constant femme-baiting reminds me overmuch of
>>>>closet-case fagbaiting. What's your problem, anyway?
>>>Should this surprise anyone? He has a serious sexual identity problem
>>>that soc.motss is certainly not going to solve. Perhaps some therapy
>>>might.
>It was a JOKE! Sheesh. What's his problem anyway?

Hey, I get it! I followed Ann's advice and listened to the VWC
last night as I did some, uh, geeky things (OK, it involved
phones, but that's all I'm going to say). And, it was
*Thursday* night.

>>You *really* have no clue, do you DAK?
>And what's HER problem anyway, anyway? Ilona, you of all people should
>recognize this particular earworm gone horribly, well, awry. I thought
>it was too obvious.. apparently I have only managed to infect myself.

Since then I've had Charlie's voice running through my head.
I guess I'll get to see the video live tomorrow.

--
Ned Deily,
n...@visi.com -- []

The Girl

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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The Morph on the Other Side of the Mirror (g...@panix.com) wrote:

: So what is it about these Nouveau Femme types that causes them to
: accuse all their friends of closet femminess; do they get a free

: manicure for every five recruits? It's cute at first, but it quickly
: grows tiresome.

Toaster oven, Morph. Toaster oven. Where were YOU Wednesday night?

The Girl

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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The Morph on the Other Side of the Mirror (g...@panix.com) wrote:

: jamc...@unix.amherst.edu (The Girl) writes:

: >Sorry Morph. Lack of sleep I suppose.

: Are you apologising 1) for the earworm,

No. It's a happy earworm.

: 2) for (yet again) accusing me
: of being a closet femme,

Yes. I was only teasing this time, because I came to a realization recently
I think you will appreciate. This is the ninties and all, so I guess I can
accept that just because your girlfriend is butcher than you does not make you
a femme

or 3) for starting an amusingly entertaining
: thread about *ME!* *ME!* *ME!* where DAK tries to flame *ME!* *ME!*
: *ME!*, providing *ME!* *ME!* *ME!* with countless hours of entertainment?

No. I thought it was pretty funny too. And if people had to apologize
everytime DAK misunderstood what they said and made an idiot out of himself...
well, it would get pretty redundant pretty damn fast.

But hey DAK--thanks for sticking up for me and everything. :)

Clayton Colwell

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May 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/2/97
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David Kaye (d...@removethis.wco.com) wrote:
: Ken Rudolph wrote the quoted material below:

: " Or "pull their chains." Precision in his choice of words, like his


: " perception of points of view outside of his own head, isn't DAK's forte.

: I meant "pull their strings" as the way someone pulls a puppet's strings.
: I pull, you respond. And respond they DID. To date the response is still
: coming in! What a bunch of dummies.

Why, DAK, when did you hold the revolver to my head and the keyboard
to my hands? You know, megalomania is treatable.

--
Clay Colwell "Geek love is strong. Geek love rocks!"
(aka StealthSmurf) -- seen in a Doonesbury strip
er...@bga.com
If you send me unsolicited commercial e-mail, you'll get it back.

John Whiteside

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May 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/3/97
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David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:

>(9) I've always had the ability, I just chose not to use it. Now, I'm
>using the marketing facade the public wants.

Try again.

John Whiteside

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May 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM5/3/97
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David Kaye <d...@removethis.wco.com> wrote:

>Darren Scott Cobb wrote the quoted material below:
>" People with dismal personalities who try to staplegun a new facade
>" onto themselves usually don't fool anyone. Are you taking your DejaNews
>" notes on the Muni with you now?
>
>No, I still read the Comicle and the Examiner. Considering that I've
>never even seen your name on a post before, I wonder if you even *have* a
>personality at all.

Maybe you just have problems paying attention.

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