*** KILL THE BLASPHEMOUS FAGS ***
Jonny Walters
civilized person suggest with any remote seriousness that the
unearthly cretins known as homosexuals are behaving in a way that
could be considered right, normal, or even socially acceptable?
Most of them were not born with any evident mutations that would
cause such aberrant behavior, so how could ANYONE suggest that
they could be accepted? Sexual orientation is chosen. No one
forces anyone to copulate with anyone else. Choosing someone of
the same sex as your mate is not biologically correct or normal.
If it were normal, then why didn't God put 2 men in the garden of
Eden to BUTTBANG all day? It's NOT right. Now, if you are athiest
or a darwinist, then look at it from a scientific point of view.
If you take 2 males or females of *ANY* species and lock them in
a cage, they *will not* make any offspring and the species within
their biome will become extinct. How can anyone consider
homosexuality normal if it would wipe out an entire species?
As for those still thinking that it would be possible to be born
that way, how could the genetics of a gay be passed on? If your
parents were gay, then they wouldn't have reproduced with the
opposite sex in the first place. I am not discussing Bisexuals
as they at least show some signs of decency. Homosexuals are
disease-ridden pests that should be driven from the face of the
earth to preserve humanity. Burn fags not Flags, and
may God save us all.
Jonny. Crusading for Decency.
David M. Read
>
> [lots of homophobic drivel that's not worth repeating]
>
>As for those still thinking that it would be possible to be born
>that way, how could the genetics of a gay be passed on? If your
>parents were gay, then they wouldn't have reproduced with the
>opposite sex in the first place. I am not discussing Bisexuals
>as they at least show some signs of decency. Homosexuals are
>disease-ridden pests that should be driven from the face of the
>earth to preserve humanity. Burn fags not Flags, and
>may God save us all.
>
>Jonny. Crusading for Decency.
Oh, dear. It seems that someone let another one of those crazed self-
righteous homophobic Aussie assholes of of his cage again. Will someone
please call the dog-catcher? To all the regular Aussies out there, my
apologies...I don't mean to insinuate that *all* of you are crazed,
self-righteous homophobic assholes, just this one.
Ok...down to business here. Johnny, before you start trying to 'prove'
anything with genetics, I suggest you go back to school and learn the
subject. Have you ever heard of recessive genes? I thought not. You see,
the basic idea is that *your parents don't have to have a particular trait
for you to inherit it!* It's possible to inherit stuff that you didn't
even know about! Examples: baldness, color-blindness, etc...and maybe
even homosexuality! You see, the biological jury is still out on that one.
Johnny, the experiment I'd *really* like to perform is to lock you and
Ted Kaldis in a room with two females and see if *they* don't turn to
homsexuality...I can't imagine any woman wanting to be touched be either
of you two. Would you consider *that* proof that homosexuality is natural?
I'm not suggesting you or T*d open your butt-cheeks to homosexuality, just
your minds. Why are you so threatened? I've brought up this thread with some
friends of mine (incidentally, *none* of us are homosexual), and every single
one of them made comments like "isn't it true that those most opposed to
homosexuality are very afraid that they *themselves* are homosexual, and
that their opposition to it is some form of Freudian denial?"
Anyway, why don't you & T*d start a mailing-list called alt.fag.haters
or alt.homophobes or alt.pin.heads, and take your inane comments off the
net. If you *do* decide to keep them on the net, I'll be waiting, with
the sword of reason in one hand, and club of logic in the other.
Oh yeah...as one of my friends used to say, "Johnny....your ignorance is
showing."
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| re...@lampf.lanl.gov | "I may be uneducated, but you're ugly |
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Frederic Maffray
Steve Dyer is not here, but it is time to repeat his mantra:
One, two...
SIT ON YOUR HANDS, SIT ON YOUR HANDS, SIT ON YOUR HANDS.
Come on, vogue!
---
Frederic Maffray, Toronto, Ontario.
Patricia O Tuama
>> [lots of homophobic drivel that's not worth repeating]
Nor worth replying to either.
Andrew Gollan
|In article <29...@outback.oz.au> jo...@outback.oz.au (Jonny Walters) writes:
|Oh, dear. It seems that someone let another one of those crazed self-
|righteous homophobic Aussie assholes of of his cage again. Will someone
|please call the dog-catcher? To all the regular Aussies out there, my
|apologies...I don't mean to insinuate that *all* of you are crazed,
|self-righteous homophobic assholes, just this one.
A quick peek at the local network map (kept automatically up to date by
software you guys can only dream about) shows the conclusive
non-existence of either outback.oz.au and antares.oz.au. Many of the
other hosts in the path look seriously dodgy as well. Go find your
arsehole _american_ who is pretending to be an Australian... :-)
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Klaus Ole Kristiansen
>In my opinion, homosexuality is WRONG.
.
.
.
>If you take 2 males or females of *ANY* species and lock them in
>a cage, they *will not* make any offspring and the species within
>their biome will become extinct. How can anyone consider
>homosexuality normal if it would wipe out an entire species?
>Jonny. Crusading for Decency.
Computer programming is WRONG. If you lock any number of peoble
in a cage, and they all do computer programming, they will die
from starvation. How can anyone consider computer programming
normal if it would wipe out an entire species?
Mankind surely need farmers, but that does not mean that
everyone has to be a farmer.
Klaus Kristiansen
Roger Meunier
In article <33...@ut-emx.UUCP> rea...@walt.cc.utexas.edu (David M. Read) writes:
>In article <29...@outback.oz.au> jo...@outback.oz.au (Jonny Walters) writes:
>>
>> [lots of homophobic drivel that's not worth repeating]
>>
>>As for those still thinking that it would be possible to be born
>>that way, how could the genetics of a gay be passed on? If your
>>parents were gay, then they wouldn't have reproduced with the
>>opposite sex in the first place. I am not discussing Bisexuals
>>as they at least show some signs of decency. Homosexuals are
>>disease-ridden pests that should be driven from the face of the
>>earth to preserve humanity. Burn fags not Flags, and
>>may God save us all.
>>
>>Jonny. Crusading for Decency.
Jonny, if you believe in God, you don't need to appeal to genetics to
make your point. God has declared that homosexuality is an abomination
and that no homosexual will enter His kingdom.
As far as ridding the world of homosexuals, that's God's business, not
yours or mine. His warning to the world concerning the consequences of
a lifestyle preoccupied with homosexuality can be seen in the example
of Sodom and Gomorrah. These communities were known for there homo-
sexuality, and God utterly destroyed them. I doubt that He'll do it
again before judgment day, but that's not the point. He hasn't given
any of us the right to persecute homosexuals, only to show them the
consequences of their folly.
As for David M. Read...
>I'm not suggesting you or T*d open your butt-cheeks to homosexuality, just
>your minds. Why are you so threatened? I've brought up this thread with some
>friends of mine (incidentally, *none* of us are homosexual), and every single
>one of them made comments like "isn't it true that those most opposed to
>homosexuality are very afraid that they *themselves* are homosexual, and
>that their opposition to it is some form of Freudian denial?"
Why does "hating homosexuality" necessarily equal "homophobia"? I don't
hate homosexuals, just their practices. I don't go out of my way to
avoid them, and only feel uncomfortable when they start pawing at me.
>... and take your inane comments off the
>net. If you *do* decide to keep them on the net, I'll be waiting, with
>the sword of reason in one hand, and club of logic in the other.
You've already proven that logic and reason are not your forte. You lump
everyone opposed to homosexuality together and insult them without
exception. I don't feel threatened by homosexuals any more than I fear
drunk drivers (when they're sober, that is). But I don't condone and
I don't think society should condone the practices of either.
Changing the natural use of any of God's creation is unacceptable,
including man's sexuality.
--
Roger Meunier @ Zuken, Inc. Yokohama, Japan (ro...@zuken.co.jp)
William R. Herndon
Oh lord, here we go again... Well, my friend, it seems that your
not capable of using the intelligence that you think God gave you.
Read on:
jo...@outback.oz.au (Jonny Walters) writes:
< lots of useless rambling deleted >
Sexual orientation is chosen. No one
>forces anyone to copulate with anyone else. Choosing someone of
>the same sex as your mate is not biologically correct or normal.
>If it were normal, then why didn't God put 2 men in the garden of
>Eden to BUTTBANG all day? It's NOT right. Now, if you are athiest
>or a darwinist, then look at it from a scientific point of view.
>If you take 2 males or females of *ANY* species and lock them in
>a cage, they *will not* make any offspring and the species within
>their biome will become extinct.
Just to address this one point. First, there are many examples
of homosexuality in the animal kingdom, and we must therefore
conclude that the state of being homosexual is not necessarily
arrived at by a cognitive process. Second, any Darwinist would
concede that within the whole animal kingdom the chances of at
least some animals and humans being homosexual is very probable.
( Oh my god, I just realized that I'm actually answering this
moron. ACK!! STOP TYPING!... STOP!!..... AAAUUUUUUUGGGGGG!!!! )
- Max
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Secure Computing Technology Corp. The opinions expressed are
mine, ALL MINE! HEH, HEH,
her...@sctc.com HEH, HEH!!!
(612) 482-7431
Robert L. Edwards
I would like to thank Mr. Walters for realizing that what follows is
only his opinion. However, be warned: he's about to cast rationality
aside.
>How can any intelligent,
>civilized person suggest with any remote seriousness that the
>unearthly cretins known as homosexuals are behaving in a way that
>could be considered right, normal, or even socially acceptable?
What's interesting is that most intelligent, civilized persons do
consider homosexual behavior acceptable. It's mostly primitive
throwbacks such as Mr. Walters that get so upset about it.
>Most of them were not born with any evident mutations that would
>cause such aberrant behavior, so how could ANYONE suggest that
>they could be accepted? Sexual orientation is chosen. No one
>forces anyone to copulate with anyone else.
Apparently Mr. Walters in unaware of the difference between
'orientation' and action. Also, there are studies that suggest
physiological differences between some Gays and straights. Mr.
Walters is apparently unaware of this.
>Choosing someone of
>the same sex as your mate is not biologically correct or normal.
^^^^^^^
This concept of 'biological correct' is fascinating. I suggest
that we make of list of 'biological incorrect' behavior (such
as polluting, eating animals when plants are much less resource-
intensive, etc.) and kill everyone who engages in such behavior.
>If it were normal, then why didn't God put 2 men in the garden of
>Eden to BUTTBANG all day? It's NOT right.
If Mr. Walters believes everything he reads in the bible, childish
homophobia is the least of his problems.
>Now, if you are athiest
^^^^^^^ Apparently the education that taught Mr.
Walters to be the arbiter of right & wrong
didn't include spelling.
>or a darwinist, then look at it from a scientific point of view.
>If you take 2 males or females of *ANY* species and lock them in
>a cage, they *will not* make any offspring and the species within
>their biome will become extinct. How can anyone consider
>homosexuality normal if it would wipe out an entire species?
Well, heterosexuality produces murderers, deformed children,
Hitler, and homosexuals. Maybe we should get rid of it, not
homosexuality!!
>As for those still thinking that it would be possible to be born
>that way, how could the genetics of a gay be passed on? If your
>parents were gay, then they wouldn't have reproduced with the
>opposite sex in the first place.
Bravo, Mr. Walters, you've got this reproduction thing figured
out! However, he apparently believes that any condition a baby
is born with must be hereditary.
>I am not discussing Bisexuals
>as they at least show some signs of decency. Homosexuals are
>disease-ridden pests that should be driven from the face of the
>earth to preserve humanity. Burn fags not Flags, and
>may God save us all.
In the end, the real homophobes resort to mindless name calling.
Their tired attempts at logic having run out, they revert to
their normal atavistic flag-waving selves.
>Jonny. Crusading for Decency.
^^^^^^^
Funniest part of the letter. I would have guessed hate.
P.S. Why is this in this newsgroup?
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Kenneth Arromdee
"AMERICANS AGAINST FAGS" is posting from _Australia_?
Come on, it's obviously a forgery.
--
"I will not instigate revolution..." "I will not instigate revolution..."
"I will not instigate revolution..." --The Simpsons
Kenneth Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm;
INTERNET: arro...@crabcake.cs.jhu.edu)
Ran Ever-Hadani
#In <33...@ut-emx.UUCP> rea...@walt.cc.utexas.edu (David M. Read) writes:
#|In article <29...@outback.oz.au> jo...@outback.oz.au (Jonny Walters) writes:
#|Oh, dear. It seems that someone let another one of those crazed self-
#|righteous homophobic Aussie assholes of of his cage again.
#A quick peek at the local network map (kept automatically up to date by
#software you guys can only dream about) shows the conclusive
#non-existence of either outback.oz.au and antares.oz.au.
I am not sure I understand what's going on. Am I the only one
who thought the original posting was a parody?
-- Ran
--
Reply-To: cre...@taux01.nsc.com (Ran Ever-Hadani)
Disclaimer: The above is to be attributed to me only, not to any organization.
Apology: Bad English. E-mailed spelling and style corrections are welcome.
Rob Bernardo
Sit on your hands. Do not post follow ups to soc.motss. If you want to respond,
send email to the author. If you want to complain, send email to
postm...@outback.oz.au.
--
Rob Bernardo, Mt. Diablo Software Solutions
email: r...@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US
phone: (415) 827-4301
Night Watchman
>Don't you think it's a _little_ bit suspicious that an organization named
>"AMERICANS AGAINST FAGS" is posting from _Australia_?
>Come on, it's obviously a forgery.
Ken, I think this post of yours has to be the most amusing, entertaining
thing I've ever read on the net. Thanks. (Seriously!)
--
Michael Rawdon
Tulane University, New Orleans, Louisiana
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Steve Giammarco
<<lots of trash deleted to conserve net.bandwidth>>
Soc.motss is not the place for you to vent your xenophobia. <look it up>
After spending four days with a small fraction of the group you just
insulted, I am pleased to report that I have no energy left to thump you
soundly on your pointy little skull.
Keep your poisoned epithets to yourself. <look it up>
TO SOC.MOTSS: Let me apologize for this weenie. I promise to post con.stuff
when the fog clears :) Suffice it to say that I can't wait til next con.
Film at eleven.
--
Steve Giammarco
AIDS Resource Center
Dallas TX 75219
{mic,void,egsner}!ozdaltx!marco
Martin Schwenke
>jo...@outback.oz.au (Jonny Walters) writes:
>> [jonny's wank deleted]
>>Jonny. Crusading for Decency.
>Computer programming is WRONG. [Klaus's argument mostly deleted...]
>Mankind surely need farmers, but that does not mean that
>everyone has to be a farmer.
Sorry about this, but it appears that I can go one better:
Being "Jonny Walters" or "Theodore Kaldis" is WRONG.
If you take all the Jonny Walters' &/or Theodore Kaldis' and put them in
a cage then they will starve, not reproduce, but possibly fall in love.
After a while they will die. Therefore mankind does not need Jonny
Walters' &/or Theodore Kaldis...
Mankind surely needs UN-Theodore Kaldis' & UN-Jonny Walters'...
... the idea about the cage sounds good though...
peace & happiness,
martin
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/ / / / __ _ _/ o _ ( ' / /_| / / / ( ' / o for /
( / / ( (_( / ' ( ( / > `_) ( / |(__ (__( `_) ( UNISYS Software (
Mathemagician
>If you take 2 males or females of *ANY* species and lock them in
>a cage, they *will not* make any offspring and the species within
>their biome will become extinct. How can anyone consider
>homosexuality normal if it would wipe out an entire species?
Obviously, this person hasn't heard of parthenogenesis (the ability
of some species to produce offspring without the need for sexual
activity). Many species are quite capable of maintaining the biome,
thank you. Only when genetic diversity is lowered do these animals
breed males (they're all females) to diversify the gene pool. And
when it's taken care of, the males are no longer produced.
I'd say that were "just slightly ahead of our time."
--
Brian Evans |"Momma told me to never kiss a girl on the first
bevans at gauss.unm.edu | date...But that's OK...I don't kiss girls."
The Time Traveler
writes:
>
> If you take all the Jonny Walters' &/or Theodore Kaldis' and put them in
> a cage then they will starve, not reproduce, but possibly fall in love.
> After a while they will die. Therefore mankind does not need Jonny
> Walters' &/or Theodore Kaldis...
>
> Mankind surely needs UN-Theodore Kaldis' & UN-Jonny Walters'...
Bravo! Well said -er typed. More than that it was funny!
Couldn't have said it better myself.
> ... the idea about the cage sounds good though...
So good that maybe it SHOULD be done!
> peace & happiness,
To one and all!
> martin
> --
> :: Martin Schwenke :::::::::::: mar...@syacus.acus :::::::::: +61 2 887 6791 ::
> ) _ _ peace & happiness _ ) _ __ _ ) Australian Centre )
> / / / / __ _ _/ o _ ( ' / /_| / / / ( ' / o for /
> ( / / ( (_( / ' ( ( / > `_) ( / |(__ (__( `_) ( UNISYS Software (
Extremely cool (and artistic) - I like it.
Mike McGaughey
Oh, gawd. How naive are you people?
Check the path.
At bruce it was:
Path: bruce!munnari.oz.au!usc!samsung!antare.oz.au!outback!jonny
Forged at either samsung or usc.
Mike.
James Brister
Now wasn't that an intellectual argument!?
I always feel so superior when I see drivel like this.
James
--
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DEC Western Software Lab. .....!decwrl!brister
"I'm speaking for me, not for DEC."
D. J. McCarthy
Jim Whitehead's back, and there's gonna be trouble
(hey naa, hey naa, heyna)
_____
D. J. McCarthy Whoever controls magnetism
dmc...@swtec1.intel.com controls the world.
...!intelca!mipos3!swtec1!dmccart
Davodd Speakman
It is eligible for recording under the Hate Crimes Act, isn't it?
Davodd
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Mac the Ripper/ / / /
favorite group, about half the messages are repeats of month old messages.
It is possible that this has already been discussed here but my site is
slow and I don't want to wade through 200 messages (many of them repeats)
looking for info. What's up with the net? I have noticed this problem with
alt, comp, and news groups.
Email replies to me. Thanks.
ian frechett frec...@snoopy.colorado.edu
SECBH@cunyvm
jo...@outback.oz.au (Jonny Walters) says:
>If it were normal, then why didn't God put 2 men in the garden of
>Eden to BUTTBANG all day? .....(and so forth.)
If the men inclined to these sorts of postings would appeal to their
scriptures in a more direct and less faint-hearted fashion the
power of the word might astound even the most convinced believer.
I would suggest the following method the next time you
feel the urge to approach the keyboard . Instead, take
down your scripture-of-choice from the shelf. Open it up
to a passage which you feel condemns the sexual activities of
others. Take out your penis and lay it across the selected passage.
Then slam the book closed as forcefully as possible.
This method will provide the keenest scriptural focus possible on
sex.
Jack Carroll
Alyce Wilson
Alyce "With a 'Y'" Wilson
*************************************************************************
Name: Alyce Wilson a.k.a. Ecila Nosliw
Bitnet: amw...@psuvm.bitnet
Internet: amw...@psuvm.psu.edu
"And then there wasn't none."
Bruce Becker
|[ mindmeltdown slagheap elided ]
|Jonny. Crusading for Decency.
Hey Jonny
Bend over
Take it like a Man
HeeHee
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`\o\-e UUCP: ...!uunet!mnetor!becker!bdb
_< /_ "I still have my phil-os-o-phy" - Meredith Monk
Michael P. Deignan
kl...@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes:
>Mankind surely need farmers, but that does not mean that
>everyone has to be a farmer.
However, farmers serve a purpose to society. What purpose to society do
homosexuals serve?
MD
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*****Oh I can see the flames comin now!
Timothy Hillmer
and grant equal opportunities to all people. We, being outcast
ourselves, know what it's like to be a minority, and can act as a
gathering point for all marginalized people. We gay men and lesbians
are today's seers and prophets- looking toward a future of full
acceptance of each other.
Naitve Americans revered their gay people. They were called "berdachs"
(sp?). Today, in this country (US) where patriots claim that this is
the only land which is truly free, it amazes and confounds me that
people of color, lesbians and gay men, physically and mentally
challenged people, and many others are not "permitted" by the rest of
society to BE WHO THEY REALLY ARE.
. . . Timothy
Chris Coffin
> Forgive my ignorance, but it seems that lately when I pop into rn to my
> favorite group, about half the messages are repeats of month old messages.
The site that is doing this seems to be "think" (that's the
earliest common site in all the old messages.) It's causing me a
lot of problems also from having to run expire -p several times
a day.
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Steve Portigal
>God created ADam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!!!
Hey, leave me out of this! :-)
Steve
Never Kid A Kidder
are designed not by antiporn/antigay/antiwhatever individuals, but are
in fact a GROSS CONSPIRACY perpetrated by the 'phone companies for the
sole purpose of generating more traffic, and hence more revenue. I'm
tempted not to send this message, but ... well ... one more won't
hurt, will it?
PS: For details on how to increase network traffic by writing abusive
postings, email consp...@phone.cartel.com; they will pay up to $10
per submission they consider to be suitably contentious. Don't worry
about the forging side of things; they have spies in every camp. I
should know. I'm one of them. In fact I might go as far to say that
I've made $150 in the last month and that's only from winding up NASA
about the Hubble Space Telescope!!! (well, that and the poor
Chomskyites in alt.conspiracy). Watch out for "Macintosh users
wouldn't know a *real* computer if it jumped out of the bushes and
gave them a blow job" (note how that one offends both Macintosh users
*and* women), and "I'm replacing my hoover with an Atari-ST".
Davodd Speakman
> God created ADam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!!!
>
> *****Oh I can see the flames comin now!
You know, at the Celebration on the Circle, when we were conterprotesting
the fundemenal ignorants, (who carried signs with slogans like the above
posting), a wonderful lesbian was following them around with a sign that
read:
"Madam and Eve, not Adam and Eve"
I still smile at that.
Filip Gieszczykiewicz
Greetings. Before the flame war starts...
I have tried this before and just want to propose
something.
Some will say that homosexuality is not "natural".
Homosexuals will reply that "Animals in nature, of
the same sex, have sex."
Fine, I say, Let it be so. But the whole idea of
the public's acceptance of homosexuality centers
on the fact that we are HUMANS. If one has to
lower oneself to the ANIMAL level, than something
is wrong.
You may remember that memebers of the same sex, in
nature, often kill each other. I wonder if I could
use that analogy in a homocide trial - with as much
success as the homosequals are NOW??????
I'll add to this when I see what "they" come up with
next.
Take care and have fun (in that order :-)
P.S. I have a feeling that the Emperor are Vader were
homosexuals..... ;-) The Dark Side of The Force.
--
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FMGST@PITTVMS or fm...@unix.cis.pitt.edu "My ideas. ALL MINE!!"
ABA...@liverpool.ac.uk
>
>In my opinion, homosexuality is WRONG. How can any intelligent,
>civilized person suggest with any remote seriousness that the
[tons of garbage deleted]
Please tell me thiss is a joke. Or perhaps its Ted Kaldis in disguise. Jusst
because you disagree with homosexuality doesn't give you the right to spout
this kind of crap. I personally find the idea of having sex with another man
revolting, but thats just me - it doesn't give me the right to tell other
people what to do. There's a theory around that says people who exhhibit
the`kind of reaction you have are latent homosexals thmselves - why not give it
a try, it could be the start of a whole new life for you, its got to be a step
up from doing it with kangaroos, hasn't it?
"What makes you think I care?" - Batman, Legends Of The Dark Knight
Kevin O'Donovan ABADDON @ UK.AC.LIVERPOOL.IBM
KEBAB%CIX.UUCP @ UK.AC.UCP
Gary Weiner
> Today, in this country (US) where patriots claim that this is
>the only land which is truly free, it amazes and confounds me that
>people of color, lesbians and gay men, physically and mentally
>challenged people, and many others are not "permitted" by the rest of
>society to BE WHO THEY REALLY ARE.
>
> . . . Timothy
God, I hate this. Why can't people call things what they are.
America has become the land of euphemism.
*People of Color*..... What color are these people? This is the
stupidest expression I've ever heard. Black, while not exactlty accurate
, is to the point and not derogatory. If you don't like that, you can take
your pick of afro- or african americans. People of color sounds a lot like
Colored People. But We'd never say that, would we?
Physically and Mentally challenged? This is almost moronic. Is
handicapped or disabled such an affront to your sensibilities? Mentally
challenged people are generally taking some sort of test or designing
something new. Physicly challenged people are generally running fast or
lifting heavy objects or competeing for an Olympic Gold Medal
Maybe the reason these people (and others) can't BE WHO THEY
REALLY ARE is that no one knows who they are.
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Mark HAHN
>earth to preserve humanity. Burn fags not Flags, and
>may God save us all.
>
>Jonny. Crusading for Decency.
GOD, think kind of thing turns me on!
I almost COME with the thought of
a big, tough, sweaty, deeply-tanned,
Aussie HUNK, vehemently railing about
the Gay Evil, all the while,
I'm running my hands up and down his bulging, muscled flanks,
my lips toying with his nipples,
biting a little when he says something particularly offensive.
well, actually, I'm hetero,
but what the hell,
in the interests of Art!
--
Mark Hahn microsoft!mar...@uunet.uu.net uunet!microsoft!markha
YES, Bill Gates IS my personal savior, and I CHANNEL for him in CLEAR WEATHER.
Mitch Patenaude
> God, I hate this. Why can't people call things what they are.
>America has become the land of euphemism.
>handicapped or disabled such an affront to your sensibilities? Mentally
>challenged people are generally taking some sort of test or designing
>something new. Physicly challenged people are generally running fast or
>lifting heavy objects or competeing for an Olympic Gold Medal
I tend to agree. The problem isn't with the label.. it's with the
attitudes surrounding the condition. Picking a new label only tranfers
those attitude to that new label. There was a time when the term
"special" had very positive connotations, but now when the Church Lady (TM)
says "Isn't that special?!" it's a derogatory remark. It's only a matter
of time before the term "mentally challenged" becomes just another
derogatory wise-crack, like "special".
There have been a few instances when a new label did allow people
to abandon labels laden with pejeduce or hate. Like the substitution of
the work Black for colored or negro, but it only succeded because there
was an underlying shift in attitudes (and it is still far from complete, and
there are those who try to escape some of the negative connotations of
the term black, and have switched to the term African-american, and at least
this has the virture of being more accurately discriptive.)
> Maybe the reason these people (and others) can't BE WHO THEY
>REALLY ARE is that no one knows who they are.
>
I think we'd all be better off if we paid less attention to the labels,
but of course, as mathematics has shown.. it's easier to deal with large
sets if you can divide them up into subsets with (supposedly) similar
features.
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g-pa...@steer.calstate.edu Gan...@Calstate.BITNET
Jay Hinkelman
> God, I hate this. Why can't people call things what they are.
>America has become the land of euphemism.
True enough, even if your specific examples are kinda screwy.
> *People of Color*..... What color are these people? This is the
> stupidest expression I've ever heard. Black, while not exactlty accurate
>, is to the point and not derogatory.
While I would have chosen another term, like "non-Caucasians", I think
you showed some true ignorance of your own on this one. Do you think
blacks are the only ones that have suffered from discrimination in
thie country because of their race? How about the American Indians?
The Japanese? Do you really think anti-Semitism doesn't exist?
>If you don't like that, you can take
>your pick of afro- or african americans.
Oh good. I have some friends who are from the Phillipines; I'll tell
them that they're really African Americans. They'll like that; it'll
make their lives a whole lot easier or something. *sigh*
> Physically and Mentally challenged? This is almost moronic. Is
>handicapped or disabled such an affront to your sensibilities?
Not mine. But I bet a lot of disabled people object to the term
"disabled". After all, it implies (to some) that there are things I
can achieve that my "disabled" counterpart cannot. Similarly,
"handicapped" sounds like a cry for charity.
Besides, once again you have shown your incredible ignorance of the
complete human condition. Is a deaf person "handicapped"?
"Disabled"? I don't think so. "Physically challenged"? Quite
possibly, since it is only our human societal traditions that put a
deaf person at any disadvantage.
>Mentally
>challenged people are generally taking some sort of test or designing
>something new. Physicly challenged people are generally running fast or
>lifting heavy objects or competeing for an Olympic Gold Medal
If society (INCLUDING the "disabled") decides as a whole to use the
term "physically challenged", then that will be the term that is used,
and too bad if you or I don't like it. If the term is not liked by
the public as a whole, it will disappear. I doubt seriously that the
current slang adjective "hype" will last more than ten years, but look
what happened to the word "cool".
The state of the language is determined through patterns of usage, not
rational argument, and whether or not a word or phrase makes any sense
is completely irrelevant.
--
Jay Hinkelman, a...@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, ja...@purccvm.bitnet
"Eldrad must live." "WHAT??!?" "Just testing."
Caryn S. Prater
>
> *People of Color*..... What color are these people? This is the
> stupidest expression I've ever heard. Black, while not exactlty accurate
>, is to the point and not derogatory. If you don't like that, you can take
>your pick of afro- or african americans. People of color sounds a lot like
>Colored People. But We'd never say that, would we?
A very good friend of mine who is East Indian refers to himself as a man of
color. He feels all people with skin darker than lilly white are persons
of color, blacks, indians ( east and american), mexicans etc. are persons
of color and is not offended by same, since they almost always treated the
same. By the way, he is a board certified pyschiatrist and one of the more
respected in Oklahoma City. But, then prejudice people hardly ever look
deeper than skin color.
Caryn
--
Most people would sooner die than think; in fact, they do.
Bertrand Russell
John Morse
to say that homosexuality is wrong, lets just read what the bible
says:
God created Adam and from Adam, Eve.
(Funny how Adam unnaturally gave birth
to Eve, the only male mother in history.)
They had two children, Cain and Abel. Cain was cast out and married Jezzabel
(who since Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel were by definition the only people on
earth) must have been a monkey. How Sick !!!!!
Obviously, T*d and his friends are throwbacks.
Doesn't the bible say something about it being a sin to charge interest?
Why aren't T*d and his friends out there attacking all the banks etc.
or is the bible only useful for backing up arguments when it is convenient
for his own ends. Doesn't the bible say something about hate and greed Ted
and about being unjustly proud of your wealth (the current term would be
rubbing it in).
How easy it is to use the bible selectively.
It you actually examined it, you would find it is a load of twaddle.
An australian academic recently caused a sensation by getting on national
television and explaining the real meaning of the bible.
After some analysis of the dead sea scrolls.
The parables all had double meanings,
for the lay person a moral story and for people
who knew how to read the code a history of events. For instance the
bit where Jesus was raised from the dead refered to the old practice of
refering to anyone who had abandoned the then code of conduct as dead.
They would even have a banishing ceremony and place the victim in a tomb
for some time. Apparently Jesus was a direct action type protester who
deeply offended the hierachy by performing recommunications after such
events. Someone else recommunicated Jesus.
Blind christianity is a truly evil imprisonment of the mind and soul.
John
Stephen Legate
>In article <29...@outback.oz.au>, jo...@outback.oz.au (Jonny Walters) says:
>>
>>In my opinion, homosexuality is WRONG. How can any intelligent,
>>civilized person suggest with any remote seriousness that the
>>unearthly cretins known as homosexuals are behaving in a way that
> [tons of garbage deleted]
>
>Please tell me thiss is a joke. Or perhaps its Ted Kaldis in disguise. Jusst
>because you disagree with homosexuality doesn't give you the right to spout
>this kind of crap.
No, you don't have to disagree with homosexuality to have the right to spout
this kind of crap. Every citizen of the United States is given the right to
spout as much crap (of any kind) as they please as long as it is not libelous
or slanderous or obscene (appealing to the prurient interest, 2 Live Crew, and
all that happy bullshit).
>I personally find the idea of having sex with another man
>revolting, but thats just me - it doesn't give me the right to tell other
>people what to do.
Actually, you can tell other people what to do all you want. The likelyhood of
them actually doing it is extremely low.
>There's a theory around that says people who exhhibit
>the`kind of reaction you have are latent homosexals thmselves - why not give
>it >a try, it could be the start of a whole new life for you, its got to be a
>step >up from doing it with kangaroos, hasn't it?
There you go, exercising your God-given right to spout crap. Congratulations.
>
>"What makes you think I care?" - Batman, Legends Of The Dark Knight
>
>Kevin O'Donovan ABADDON @ UK.AC.LIVERPOOL.IBM
> KEBAB%CIX.UUCP @ UK.AC.UCP
-Steve, and mabye this group should be renamed to "alt.crap.spouting"...
Mark Miller
(Timothy Hillmer) writes:
|>Gay men and lesbians serve the purpose of calling society to act justly
|>and grant equal opportunities to all people.
Well hell, then we don't need the ACLU anymore.
|>We, being outcast
|>ourselves, know what it's like to be a minority, and can act as a
|>gathering point for all marginalized people.
And all these marginalized people would gather to what end [sic]?
Is there a goal involved in all this?
|>We gay men and lesbians
|>are today's seers and prophets- looking toward a future of full
|>acceptance of each other.
Don't you think this is just a little bit of an exageration?
-MSM
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UUCP: msmi...@Sun.COM things all pigs are upward mobile."
GEnie/AOL: MSMILLER vary" - Hunter S. Thompson
Loren Petrich
And if any of you are interested in seeing the seamy side of
"biblical morality", I am willing to post my "Biblical Satanic
Verses." These are a whole list of things in the Bible that certain of
its worshippers (especially those who hate gays) will not want to hear
about. If you people want to hear about them in soc.motss, please
e-mail me.
^
Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster \ ^ /
lo...@sunlight.llnl.gov \ ^ /
One may need to route through any of: \^/
<<<<<<<<+>>>>>>>>
lll-lcc.llnl.gov /v\
lll-crg.llnl.gov / v \
star.stanford.edu / v \
v
For example, use:
loren%sunlight...@star.stanford.edu
"Crucifixes are sexy because there's a naked man on them" -- Madonna
Daniel Finnigan
disease-ridden pests that should be driven from the face of the
earth to preserve humanity. Burn fags not Flags, and
may God save us all.
Jonny. Crusading for Decency.
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If you are serious (even if you are not), you make me sick. If I
could, I would exploit the theories of social darwinism and go
over and smack you right in the face, but I will hold back and
hope the power of persuasion either teaches you some real
decency or at least keeps you from spreading your filth.
Dan Finnigan
Hoa Tam Trinh
> In my opinion, homosexuality is WRONG. How can any intelligent,
> civilized person suggest with any remote seriousness that the
> unearthly cretins known as homosexuals are behaving in a way that
I suggest you keep your opinion to yourself, I am sick to death ( and
i am sure others are too) of you reposting this anti-social crap.
I am an intelligent and civilised ( and there are lots of others out there)
and i consider homosexuality no less "right", "normal" and "socially acceptable"
than what you are doing and behaving. If you cannot conceive the fact that
any one else can think and feel differently, then i am tempted to do a little
demonstration for you. If i were to ask everyone to post an opinion that
you should be shot dead before you post the next article, the volume of
news that would flood this group will be enough to blow up your terminal
and kill you instantly the next time you read these groups. but i am not going
to and WARNING: please DON'T, I repeat DON'T do what i just said, because
i am not going to play GOD and blow up the world prematurely.
> Most of them were not born with any evident mutations that would
> cause such aberrant behavior, so how could ANYONE suggest that
> they could be accepted? Sexual orientation is chosen. No one
> forces anyone to copulate with anyone else. Choosing someone of
> the same sex as your mate is not biologically correct or normal.
> If it were normal, then why didn't God put 2 men in the garden of
> Eden to BUTTBANG all day? It's NOT right. Now, if you are athiest
sexual orientation may or may not be psychological, biological, genetic
or even religous and ritually link, I won't attempt to prove or disprove
any of it because i am not that well qualified to draw conclusions
in any of those areas. Let me just agree with you that there is at least an
element of choice, so homosexuality is a sexual preference,
just like some of us like tea while others enjoy coffee, some love chocalate
ice-cream others prefer vinilla.
then you are advocating killing all coffee drinkers because you happen to
enjoy tea. Anyone, even an lunatic like you can see that this is ridiculous.
Adoft Hitle(we all know who i am refering to, correct me if i spell the name
wrong) kill 6 million jews because he didnot like them, Its is
daunting to think that you could kill six million gays given half the chance.
That 's why i think we should blow you off the face of the earth.
Let me take you up on the bit about God, (i am not a christian but you seem
to be one so.... does god not teach you to respect others and treat others
as you would like yourself to be treated. I believe so, so you should
really consider killing yourself before advocating killing anyone else.
> or a darwinist, then look at it from a scientific point of view.
> If you take 2 males or females of *ANY* species and lock them in
> a cage, they *will not* make any offspring and the species within
> their biome will become extinct. How can anyone consider
> homosexuality normal if it would wipe out an entire species?
as someone else has already suggested if we lock you up with a woman,
i doubt very much you will make any offsprings so how can we consider you
"normal"
for your information, the most fruitful and fulfilling relationships are
those between women, at the other extreme is those between men, and
hetrosexual relationship lies between the two extremes. Here I am talking
about quality of relationships , let me xplain :
1. When women get together, they talk, they support each other emotionally,
and look after each other. Many women seek relationships with other women
because they donot get the love, tenderness and care from men. This is mainly
a fault of society, which socialise men towards achievement and strength.
expression of tenderness is and emotional dependency are seen as signs of
weakness and must be suppressed. Alse women in hetrosexual relationships
are not on equal footing with men in this traditionally patriarchy framework.
I know things are changing but not much and fast enough. Women are demand
more of things men have been socialised not to give. AS men are not prepared
to change womem are turning towards other women for emotional fulfillment.
2. relationship between men is some what different, when men get together
they get drunk, beatup eachother or other people or they fuck each other.
relationship between men are subject to so much external pressure ,
from their friends, family, guilt if they are religious, and community at
large. With all these forces trying to pull they apart, if they are hanging
in then it must be faith and god must be on their side, either that or they
must be kept together by factors beyond my understanding.
3. hetrosexual relationship has elements from both 1 & 2 above. With women
supporting men emotionlly and sexually, and men getting drunk, beating
them up and fucking them for his own gratification. this gives rise to
images of women in our society being battered, depressed , sexually unfufiled
and generally unhappy. ALSO note that only women suffer from a medical
condition known as depression and are treated with tranquilisers of which
a famous brand is VALIUM.
Note: You may think i am making over generalisations and i admit i may be guilty
of this but it a view based on experience and i am sure many of you will
identify with this view, some would disagree because they have had different
experiences and i am happy for them in that case.
> may God save us all.
>
> Jonny. Crusading for Decency.
expect hell, jonny because thats where you will end up, i am sure of it.
kind regards to everyone else.
sincerrly Hoa.
Geoffrey Scott Puterbaugh
1. There is no evidence that the Emperor/Darth Vader were
queers (although many persons assume this, probably (?)
because "the Nazis were queers" (another urban legend)
2. The most startling fact (for me) about Star Wars was the
Main Love Story -- between Obiwan Kenobe and Luke Skywalker.
If you doubt me, watch the movie again, and watch the anguish
of Luke when Obiwan dies. The ancient ideal of
paiderasteia revived on the big screen. Wonderful.
And the love was clearly mutual.
3. In sum (as often) the homos were on the good side. (Disclaimer:
the homos are not always on the good side.)
Dan Mick
All of you. Get this the hell out of news.admin. Now.
Michael L. Starr
>> In my opinion, homosexuality is WRONG. How can any intelligent,
>> civilized person suggest with any remote seriousness that the
>> unearthly cretins known as homosexuals are behaving in a way that
>> could be considered right, normal, or even socially acceptable?
In article <83...@latcs1.oz.au> tr...@latcs1.oz.au (Hoa Tam Trinh) responds:
>
>I suggest you keep your opinion to yourself, I am sick to death ( and
>i am sure others are too) of you reposting this anti-social crap.
>Anyone, even an lunatic like you can see that this is ridiculous.
>[Adolf Hitler] kill 6 million jews because he didnot like them, Its is
>daunting to think that you could kill six million gays given half the chance.
Nazi Germany killed more that Jews. Along with Jews and gypsies, homosexuals
were required to wear badges visable on their outer clothing identifying
them as such. Millions of them were rounded up and slaughtered also.
From the looks of the original posting, civilization has not advanced
in the last 50 years.
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Lennart Saaf
I find it insulting to be referred to as physically and mentally
unchallenged. I prefer to called a euphamistically challenged person
of hue.
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Zev Sero
Nazi Germany killed more that Jews. Along with Jews and gypsies, homosexuals
were required to wear badges visable on their outer clothing identifying
them as such. Millions of them were rounded up and slaughtered also.
^^^^^^^^
According to `The Pink Triangle' by Richard Plant, approximately
45 000 men and 6 (yes, six) women were `convicted' of being gay, and
approximately 15 000 of them died in the camps. `Millions' is way
out. On the other hand, the Nazis were responsible for about
11 million non-war-related deaths, so if we assume that 10% of them
happened to be homosexual, then it would be correct (though
misleading) to say that they killed `over a million homosexuals'.
The reasons that the numbers are so surprisingly few:
1. Difficulty of detection. Jews and Gypsies are, by and large, a lot
more conspicuous than closeted gays.
2. They were only really concerned about gay Aryans. They really
believed that homosexuals are a danger to society, so they were
happy for their enemies' societies to be undermined and subverted
by these decadent queers.
3. From 1939, almost all German men were in the army. The Gestapo
never had jurisdiction over soldiers, and courts-martial were much
more lenient on homosexuals than were the gestapo. Gay soldiers could
expect one to five years in a military prison, while civilians got
a one way trip to the camps.
4. There was never a law against lesbians. Nevertheless, there was
one incident in which an overzealous official arrested six lesbians.
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Zev Sero - z...@bby.oz.au
...but we've proved it again and again
that if once you have paid him the danegeld,
you never get rid of the Dane. - Rudyard Kipling
Salit
>A very good friend of mine who is East Indian refers to himself as a man of
>color. He feels all people with skin darker than lilly white are persons
>of color, blacks, indians ( east and american), mexicans etc. are persons
>of color and is not offended by same, since they almost always treated the
>same.
I don't think that East Indians get any affirmative action quotas...
Hillel
Madhu Balaban
>[Lots and lots of other followups omitted]
>
>Oh, gawd. How naive are you people?
Let's just see...
>Check the path.
Forget the path. Simply look at the way it was signed:
Jonny. Crusading for Decency.
Notice anything familiar about it? Anybody?... Anybody?...
Okay - I'll give you another hint:
Ned. Christ, these poeple make we want to LITTER.
Ned. T*d has to be this weird for a REASON.
Ned. What does Kent have to say about all this ?
Ned. Helping out intermarital relations since 1923.
Ned. Don't go NEAR my feet, Dolan.
Ned. Really TIRED of this wimp.
Ned. Nuque the French and fuck the Queen.
Ned. Get a grip.
Ned. Put the fucking knife DOWN jennifer.
Got it yet?
Okay - one more:
Ned. Hope this helps.
I sure hope so, too.
>Forged at either samsung or usc.
What's "forged"? It's just another psuedo. You could be too.
So could I. So could all of the "people" posting to this
waste of electricity.
What difference does it make whether someone's name is "real" or not?
If you don't like what "jonny" wrote, and you feel a need to argue
against it, then do it. Although why you'd want to bother is anyone's
guess. So much incredibly useless, stupid shit gets posted to this
pseudo-intellectual garbage-heap anyway, so what's the difference?
But if you really feel you absolutely have to bother arguing it,
do you need to see a valid driver's license and major credit-card first?
Argue (if you must) the "ideas" (such as they are) -- not the "person".
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