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Mick Washbrook

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Aug 27, 1993, 8:28:04 PM8/27/93
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Can anybody give me any idea as to what Odessa, Texas is like?
Thanks.


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a flying squirrel

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Aug 27, 1993, 2:43:56 PM8/27/93
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Mick Washbrook:

> Can anybody give me any idea as to what Odessa, Texas is like?

Relax, Mick. I am certain you will be able to get plenty of
Kraft Singles there.
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boy brent

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Aug 27, 1993, 10:56:08 PM8/27/93
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mi...@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:


>Can anybody give me any idea as to what Odessa, Texas is like?
>Thanks.

i'll give you a hint. The locals call it Slowdeatha.

In the Exxon Corporation it used to be a watchword that if you
fucked up, they fired you, but if you __really__ fucked up,
they sent you to Odessa.
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Tom Barrett

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Aug 28, 1993, 4:07:55 PM8/28/93
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In article <25m8ql$3...@autodesk.autodesk.com> mi...@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>Can anybody give me any idea as to what Odessa, Texas is like?

In the middle of no where...
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Chip Graham

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Aug 30, 1993, 8:27:04 AM8/30/93
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In article <1993Aug28.2...@dvorak.amd.com> tdb...@dvorak.amd.com (Tom Barrett) writes:
>In article <25m8ql$3...@autodesk.autodesk.com> mi...@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) writes:
>>Can anybody give me any idea as to what Odessa, Texas is like?
>
Having lived there, I must say it is next to nowhere ( which, by the way
is Midland). The only thing Odessa has going for it is that it is much
looser than Midland, they do have a couple of bars and some porno places
if you are into that. The bars do get some pretty hot blue-collar types
and a few white collar boys. Lots of girls and drag queens, though.

The city itself is pretty ho-hum, just another oil town gone broke.

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Jess Anderson

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Aug 30, 1993, 9:20:36 AM8/30/93
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In article <1993Aug30.1...@convex.com>,
Chip Graham <cgr...@convex.com> wrote:

>The bars do get some pretty hot blue-collar types
>and a few white collar boys. Lots of girls and drag queens, though.

^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
^^^^^^
Hotsie-totsie, another "real man" type, just what we need.

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Chip Graham

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Aug 30, 1993, 9:47:28 AM8/30/93
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In article <25sur4$l...@news.doit.wisc.edu> ande...@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>>The bars do get some pretty hot blue-collar types
>>and a few white collar boys. Lots of girls and drag queens, though.
> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^
>Hotsie-totsie, another "real man" type, just what we need.
>

Ok, I like men. If I wanted to be around girls/women/drag queens, I
would have been straight. 'nough said.

William A. Parsons

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Aug 30, 1993, 11:21:52 AM8/30/93
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ande...@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
: In article <1993Aug30.1...@convex.com>,

: Chip Graham <cgr...@convex.com> wrote:
:
: >The bars do get some pretty hot blue-collar types
: >and a few white collar boys. Lots of girls and drag queens, though.
: ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
: ^^^^^^
: Hotsie-totsie, another "real man" type, just what we need.

Oh Jess, admit it. You just *hate* the competition!

-Will (who is picturing Jess from his college days they
shared together sitting on the UW-Madison Memorial Union
Terrace, leaning back in his chair with his Virginia Slims
cigarette hanging from his lips)

P.S. Jess have you given up that nasty habit yet?

Joe Munsey

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Aug 30, 1993, 12:53:58 PM8/30/93
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All I know is, when you are there, you can stand on your toes and see for
two days.

Joe

David Fox

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Aug 30, 1993, 11:15:22 AM8/30/93
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In article <25m8ql$3...@autodesk.autodesk.com>, mi...@autodesk.com (Mick

Washbrook) wrote:
>
>
> Can anybody give me any idea as to what Odessa, Texas is like?
> Thanks.

And, those of you who are responding to this question, be sure to include
information on whether or not Odessa has branches of Furr's or Luby's; I
have it on good authority that these two cafeteria chains are what Texan's
consider fine dining.

David

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df...@mail.sas.upenn.edu
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randy j futor

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Aug 30, 1993, 1:37:16 PM8/30/93
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mi...@autodesk.com (Mick Washbrook) wrote:
>
> Can anybody give me any idea as to what Odessa, Texas is like?
Ahhh. The low-rent end of the Petroplex. The rhinestone of the Permian
Basin.

Rent the movie 'Waltz Across Texas'; it'll give you a fair idea of what
they do there & what the ( ahem ) scenery is like. Don't listen to Mary
Kay Place's character, however, when she tries to explain how to pronounce
the phrase "oil business"! The first vowel 'maraphthong' ( as I call it )
can only be successfully rendered by natives & there is *no* 'd'-sound in
the second word, 'binniss'.

If you have more specific questions, send me mail. I grew up 90 miles
northwest of Odessa in a little oilfield shithole called Hobbs.
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Jess Anderson

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Aug 30, 1993, 9:51:11 PM8/30/93
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In article <1993Aug30.1...@convex.com>
cgr...@convex.com (Chip Graham) writes:

>In article <25sur4$l...@news.doit.wisc.edu>
ande...@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>>>The bars do get some pretty hot blue-collar types
>>>and a few white collar boys. Lots of girls and drag queens, though.
>> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>> ^^^^^^
>>Hotsie-totsie, another "real man" type, just what we need.

>Ok, I like men. If I wanted to be around girls/women/drag
>queens, I would have been straight. 'nough said.

Pity. Sounds to me like you *are* straight, and not the
nice kind, either.

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Jack Hamilton

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Aug 30, 1993, 11:54:47 PM8/30/93
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cgr...@convex.com (Chip Graham) wrote:
>In article <25sur4$l...@news.doit.wisc.edu> ande...@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>>
>>>The bars do get some pretty hot blue-collar types
>>>and a few white collar boys. Lots of girls and drag queens, though.
>> ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>> ^^^^^^
>>Hotsie-totsie, another "real man" type, just what we need.
>
>Ok, I like men. If I wanted to be around girls/women/drag queens, I
>would have been straight. 'nough said.

If you were straight, you'd want to be around drag queens??


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Chip Graham

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Aug 31, 1993, 11:14:54 AM8/31/93
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In article <jfhCCL...@netcom.com> j...@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>
>>Ok, I like men. If I wanted to be around girls/women/drag queens, I
>>would have been straight. 'nough said.
>
>If you were straight, you'd want to be around drag queens??
>
Well, my foob! The idea was I don't go to the bars to find a
female - real or fake. That's all! When I go out, I go out to
be around men. I like men. That's what I do.

Women are cool, but I don't do them! So why would I want to
pick up a drag queen? I like men who like being men.

a flying squirrel

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Aug 31, 1993, 1:28:51 PM8/31/93
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Chip Graham:

> I like men who like being men.

Wrong. You like men who behave within a confined subset of all
possible expressions of manhood. Drag queens are still very
much "being men", whether you like it or not.

Jack Hamilton

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Aug 31, 1993, 2:21:38 PM8/31/93
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cgr...@convex.com (Chip Graham) wrote:

>In article <jfhCCL...@netcom.com> j...@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:
>>>
>>>Ok, I like men. If I wanted to be around girls/women/drag queens, I
>>>would have been straight. 'nough said.
>>
>>If you were straight, you'd want to be around drag queens??
>>
>Well, my foob! The idea was I don't go to the bars to find a
>female - real or fake. That's all! When I go out, I go out to
>be around men. I like men. That's what I do.
>
>Women are cool, but I don't do them! So why would I want to
>pick up a drag queen? I like men who like being men.

What makes you think drag queens don't enjoy being men? The ones I know
do. Perhaps you're confusing drag queens with transsexuals.

Or perhaps you meant "I like men who dress and behave the way I think men
should dress and behave." You're certainly using a definition of "man"
that includes more than just gender. Does it help if they wear cowboy hats?
Do you consider your position to be different from that of George Madison,
who (supposedly, I don't know) likes his men to smoke cigars and be
covered with motor oil and hair and other "manly" things?

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Drag queen to cop: You know a woman who looks like *me*???

(Robert Patrick, in Street Theatre)

john whiteside

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Aug 31, 1993, 5:31:23 PM8/31/93
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> cgr...@convex.com (Chip Graham) wrote:
> >Well, my foob! The idea was I don't go to the bars to find a
> >female - real or fake. That's all! When I go out, I go out to
> >be around men. I like men. That's what I do.
> >
> >Women are cool, but I don't do them! So why would I want to
> >pick up a drag queen? I like men who like being men.

Honey, drag queen are not women. The difference is this: Drag queens
have dicks. Women don't. It's that simple!

adolphson

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Aug 31, 1993, 5:57:28 PM8/31/93
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In article <1993Aug31....@convex.com>
cgr...@convex.com (Chip Graham) writes:

> Women are cool, but I don't do them! So why would I want to
> pick up a drag queen? I like men who like being men.

Tovah, help me out here. How does it go again?
I'd rather be thought a drag queen by a moron
than a moron by a drag queen.

--
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adol...@mizar.usc.edu beautiful I jump for joy."
ar...@ursa-major.spdcc.com -- Maria Montez

George Dalton Madison

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Aug 31, 1993, 11:51:49 PM8/31/93
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Jack Hamilton writes:
>Do you consider your position to be different from that of George Madison,
>who (supposedly, I don't know) likes his men to smoke cigars and be
^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!

>covered with motor oil and hair and other "manly" things?

If you don't know, why are you dragging *me* into this?

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[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]
[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> fu...@cup.portal.com <]

Jack Hamilton

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adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) wrote:
>In article <1993Aug31....@convex.com>
>cgr...@convex.com (Chip Graham) writes:
>
>> Women are cool, but I don't do them! So why would I want to
>> pick up a drag queen? I like men who like being men.
>
>Tovah, help me out here. How does it go again?
>I'd rather be thought a drag queen by a moron
>than a moron by a drag queen.

I think it was "I'd rather have a bigot think I'm a lesbian than have a
lesbian think I'm a bigot."

"Bigot" is probably closer to the right word than "moron" anyway,
although both apply in this case - bigot for his attitude and moron for
failure to think through what he was saying.

George Dalton Madison

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Sep 1, 1993, 4:35:58 AM9/1/93
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Jack Hamilton writes:
>"Bigot" is probably closer to the right word than "moron" anyway,
>although both apply in this case - bigot for his attitude and moron for
>failure to think through what he was saying.


So what *IS* the Politically Correct, sensitive and inoffensive
way of expressing the idea he (admittedly crudely) put forth?

Or are we going to claim that what turns a person on is
irrelevant to who they "should" be having sex/a relationship
with?

David Stevenson

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Sep 1, 1993, 6:16:16 AM9/1/93
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Fu...@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
>Jack Hamilton writes:
>>Do you consider your position to be different from that of George Madison,
>>who (supposedly, I don't know) likes his men to smoke cigars and be
> ^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!
>>covered with motor oil and hair and other "manly" things?
>
>If you don't know, why are you dragging *me* into this?
>
What, on the internet, constitutes knowing?

Jess Anderson

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Sep 1, 1993, 7:04:45 AM9/1/93
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In article <89...@cup.portal.com>,

George Dalton Madison <Fu...@cup.portal.com> wrote:

>Jack Hamilton writes:

>>"Bigot" is probably closer to the right word than "moron" anyway,
>>although both apply in this case - bigot for his attitude and moron for
>>failure to think through what he was saying.

>So what *IS* the Politically Correct, sensitive and inoffensive
>way of expressing the idea he (admittedly crudely) put forth?

>Or are we going to claim that what turns a person on is
>irrelevant to who they "should" be having sex/a relationship
>with?

>[> George D. Madison | NBCS: B8f+t+w-e+s+k+a!cv | Just say NO to razors! <]


>[> It's a BEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand. <|> fu...@cup.portal.com <]

To get a handle on answering your own question, consider how
and why you'd be offended if I answered:

It's an unBEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand.

A person can easily say what he or she likes (for whatever
kind of relating) without putting down anyone who happens
not to be in that set.

I'm a bit distressed to see you waving the "politically
correct" canard in anyone's face too.

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Tim Wilson

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Sep 1, 1993, 12:23:41 AM9/1/93
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In article <89...@cup.portal.com> Fu...@cup.portal.com (George Dalton
Madison) writes:

So what *IS* the Politically Correct, sensitive and inoffensive
way of expressing the idea he (admittedly crudely) put forth?

He said "girls and drag queens, though" or something to that effect.
If "though" had been "too," no one woulda complained. If he wanted to
add an editorial comment about his preferences in other men, he coulda
done so in a separate sentence than one purporting to give information
about queer happenings in Odessa.

Or are we going to claim that what turns a person on is
irrelevant to who they "should" be having sex/a relationship
with?

People's tastes are their tastes. Talking about sexual tastes in
public can be tacky, especially when done in a snooty way that
discounts the humanity of those who don't fall into the prefered
classes. I'd rather hear someone talk about what turns them on, not
those icky others that turn them off.

People's tastes also evolve. Sometimes if we'd just take off our
fuggin' stylistic -- often self-constructed -- blinders, we'd discover
there're a lot more "attractive" others out there than we might
initially think.

--
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Schwark R.

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Sep 1, 1993, 10:30:42 AM9/1/93
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In article <1993Aug31.2...@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> jwhi...@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (john whiteside) writes:
>
>Honey, drag queen are not women. The difference is this: Drag queens
>have dicks. Women don't. It's that simple!

I don't know. I know some women with REALLY BIG ONES.

Ry

Deborah Swayne

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Sep 1, 1993, 11:59:02 AM9/1/93
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Fu...@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
|>
|> So what *IS* the Politically Correct, sensitive and inoffensive
|> way of expressing the idea he (admittedly crudely) put forth?
|>
|> Or are we going to claim that what turns a person on is
|> irrelevant to who they "should" be having sex/a relationship
|> with?

He didn't seem to be talking about who he wanted to have sex
or a relationship with. He seemed to be talking about who he
was willing to be in the same room with.

Debby
d...@bellcore.com

Jack Hamilton

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Sep 1, 1993, 2:43:29 PM9/1/93
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Fu...@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) wrote:
>Jack Hamilton writes:
>>Do you consider your position to be different from that of George Madison,
>>who (supposedly, I don't know) likes his men to smoke cigars and be
> ^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!
>>covered with motor oil and hair and other "manly" things?
>
>If you don't know, why are you dragging *me* into this?

Because you're a well-known example of someone with decided tastes.

As for the "supposedly", David was right - how would I know on the
Internet? I don't have first hand or even second hand knowledge of what
you really like/do.

Perhaps I should call your would-be flame Arne and ask for the results of
his research.

Jake Coughlin

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Sep 1, 1993, 2:45:21 PM9/1/93
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In <262bmi...@charlie.usl.com>

r...@usl.com (Schwark R.) writes:
>I don't know. I know some women with REALLY BIG ONES.

i know some men with *BIG* *RED* *PUMPS*!

[in SF last week, i met a woman with a beard.
i envy her -- i've just started a goatee, and it's
taking FOREVER to grow in. i think i need a
testosterone injection.]

adolphson

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Sep 1, 1993, 3:19:10 PM9/1/93
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In article <jfhCCo...@netcom.com>
j...@netcom.com (Jack Hamilton) writes:

> Fu...@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) wrote:
> >If you don't know, why are you dragging *me* into this?

> Because you're a well-known example of someone with decided tastes.
>
> As for the "supposedly", David was right - how would I know on the
> Internet? I don't have first hand or even second hand knowledge of what
> you really like/do.
>
> Perhaps I should call your would-be flame Arne and ask for the results of
> his research.

I'm sworn to secrecy, so all I can tell you is that it
involves hairspray, styling mousse, and eyelash curlers.

--
Arne Adolphson "If you live in the country, what are you doing
adol...@mizar.usc.edu with all those town suits and hostess pajamas?"
ar...@ursa-major.spdcc.com -- Joan Crawford

William A. Parsons

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Sep 1, 1993, 3:10:34 PM9/1/93
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Fu...@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
: Jack Hamilton writes:
: >Do you consider your position to be different from that of George Madison,
: >who (supposedly, I don't know) likes his men to smoke cigars and be
: ^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!^!
: >covered with motor oil and hair and other "manly" things?
:
: If you don't know, why are you dragging *me* into this?

Oh George, you big ol' bear. You know that you love rough-n-tumble
play just as much as the rest of us!

-Will

William A. Parsons

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Sep 1, 1993, 3:17:28 PM9/1/93
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Fu...@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) writes:
: Jack Hamilton writes:
: >"Bigot" is probably closer to the right word than "moron" anyway,
: >although both apply in this case - bigot for his attitude and moron for
: >failure to think through what he was saying.
:
:
: So what *IS* the Politically Correct, sensitive and inoffensive
: way of expressing the idea he (admittedly crudely) put forth?
:
: Or are we going to claim that what turns a person on is
: irrelevant to who they "should" be having sex/a relationship
: with?

I have long ago decided (OK maybe it was just last week, so sue me)
that Political Correctness has absolutely no place in eroticism
and sexuality. However, outside of personal tastes and attraction, it
plays an important role in social interactions and the treatment
of others with respect.

-Will
(who is really tired of political correctness getting bad press
and of people using that as an excuse to continue treated others
like shit)

Michael Hefner

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Sep 1, 1993, 4:51:53 PM9/1/93
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In article <46...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>,

William A. Parsons <wpa...@emory.edu> wrote:
>I have long ago decided (OK maybe it was just last week, so sue me)
>that Political Correctness has absolutely no place in eroticism
>and sexuality. However, outside of personal tastes and attraction, it
>plays an important role in social interactions and the treatment
>of others with respect.
>
>-Will
>(who is really tired of political correctness getting bad press
>and of people using that as an excuse to continue treated others
>like shit)

I'm just tired of the term "political correctness." It's become so
amorphous that it has little real meaning. For example, are you
referring here to Afrocentrism, multiculturalism, campus speech
codes, gender-neutral language, or what's really just plain old
politeness (ie. trying not to offend people, and apologizing if
you do).

Most of the time I hear someone bring "political correctness" into a
conversation, they want to lump all these things together and
denigrate the whole lot by attacking the more extreme elements,
like speech codes. It's rather like saying that sun-dried tomatoes
are a bad thing because they are pizza ingredients and anchovies are
just awful.
--
Mike Hefner ____ "There can be no compromise or peaceful
UNC-Chapel Hill CS Dept. \ / coexistence with homosexuals."
Geek Stuff: hef...@cs.unc.edu \/ -Kevin Tebedo, co-founder of Colorado For
Gay Stuff: hef...@gibbs.oit.unc.edu Family Values (sponsors of Amendment 2)

David Stevenson

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Sep 1, 1993, 4:38:33 PM9/1/93
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For some, being in the same room with, and having sex with,
are the same thing, practically speaking, or in practice.

David Stevenson

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adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>
>I'm sworn to secrecy, so all I can tell you is that it involves
>hairspray,
urine-sprayed hair, check
> styling mousse,
aka motor oil, check
>and eyelash curlers.
for cigar holders, check.

That's three out of three for Jack!

Steve Arrants

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Sep 1, 1993, 3:57:49 PM9/1/93
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No, Ry. Those are **REALLY BIG RED PUMPS**

They're delivered by pods, you know.

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step...@netcom.com
My views -- all mine.

George Dalton Madison

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Sep 1, 1993, 11:39:56 PM9/1/93
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Jess Anderson writes:
>George Dalton Madison <Fu...@cup.portal.com> wrote:
>>So what *IS* the Politically Correct, sensitive and inoffensive
>>way of expressing the idea he (admittedly crudely) put forth?
>>Or are we going to claim that what turns a person on is
>>irrelevant to who they "should" be having sex/a relationship
>>with?
>
>To get a handle on answering your own question, consider how
>and why you'd be offended if I answered:
>
> It's an unBEAR thing -- you wouldn't understand.

I wouldn't be offended at all. The answer isn't particularly
relevant to the *question*, but I see no reason for offense --
just as there is no reason for anyone to be offended at the
original version of that phrase from my .sig.

>A person can easily say what he or she likes (for whatever
>kind of relating) without putting down anyone who happens
>not to be in that set.

He said he didn't care for drag queens; I don't see that as
performing character assassinations. Admitted, he bought into
a number of rather noxious stereotypes, but what he got flamed
for seemed to be mainly because of the *idea* he was expressing,
not the *way* he was expressing it.

>I'm a bit distressed to see you waving the "politically
>correct" canard in anyone's face too.

Well, that's how the knee-jerk reaction his posting got struck
me.

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George Dalton Madison

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Jack Hamilton writes:
>Fu...@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) wrote:
>>Jack Hamilton writes:
>>>Do you consider your position to be different from that of George Madison,
>>>who (supposedly, I don't know) likes his men to smoke cigars and be
>>>covered with motor oil and hair and other "manly" things?
>>
>>If you don't know, why are you dragging *me* into this?
>
>Because you're a well-known example of someone with decided tastes.

"Decided" as in "clear and well-defined," I presume.

>As for the "supposedly", David was right - how would I know on the
>Internet? I don't have first hand or even second hand knowledge of what
>you really like/do.

Which is rather my point: I somewhat resent being used as an
example when you haven't the foggiest fucking notion whether it's
an accurate example or not.

>Perhaps I should call your would-be flame Arne and ask for the results of
>his research.

The only way Arne "would-be" my "flame" is if I were to douse him
thoroughly in lighter fluid and toss on a lit match.

Jess Anderson

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Sep 2, 1993, 12:48:48 AM9/2/93
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In article <89...@cup.portal.com>,

George Dalton Madison <Fu...@cup.portal.com> wrote:

>The only way Arne "would-be" my "flame" is if I were to douse him
>thoroughly in lighter fluid and toss on a lit match.

That's it. Madison, you're disgusting!

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adolphson

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Sep 2, 1993, 12:55:41 AM9/2/93
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In article <263tvg$9...@news.doit.wisc.edu>
ande...@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

> In article <89...@cup.portal.com>,
> George Dalton Madison <Fu...@cup.portal.com> wrote:
> >The only way Arne "would-be" my "flame" is if I were to douse him
> >thoroughly in lighter fluid and toss on a lit match.

> That's it. Madison, you're disgusting!

This is news?

Jack Hamilton

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Sep 2, 1993, 12:55:36 AM9/2/93
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Fu...@cup.portal.com (George Dalton Madison) wrote:

>Which is rather my point: I somewhat resent being used as an
>example when you haven't the foggiest fucking notion whether it's
>an accurate example or not.

I don't know what you *do*, but I know what you've *said*.

If you were telling the truth, it's an accurate example.

Chip Graham

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Sep 2, 1993, 8:22:12 AM9/2/93
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>|>
>|> So what *IS* the Politically Correct, sensitive and inoffensive
>|> way of expressing the idea he (admittedly crudely) put forth?
>|>
>|> Or are we going to claim that what turns a person on is
>|> irrelevant to who they "should" be having sex/a relationship
>|> with?
>
>He didn't seem to be talking about who he wanted to have sex
>or a relationship with. He seemed to be talking about who he
>was willing to be in the same room with.
>
OK, let me try this:

Odessa does have a couple of bars. Some blue-collar types, some
white-collar types, some drag queens and some women do go to
the bars. It appears there is something for everyone in Odessa!

Gee, that is better, now isn't it?

But that doesn't change the fact that I like to go out and see
men who look like men. That is my preference and I will not
back down on it. Thank you George for at least allowing me that!

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Mara Chibnik

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Sep 2, 1993, 8:27:30 AM9/2/93
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hef...@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Michael Hefner) writes:
>It's rather like saying that sun-dried tomatoes are a bad
>thing because they are pizza ingredients and anchovies are just awful.

Quotes file.

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ma...@panix.com Life is too important to be taken seriously.

Mara Chibnik

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Sep 2, 1993, 8:25:08 AM9/2/93
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d...@lestat.bellcore.com (Deborah Swayne) writes:
>>He didn't seem to be talking about who he wanted to have sex
>>or a relationship with. He seemed to be talking about who he
>>was willing to be in the same room with.

stev...@netcom.com (David Stevenson) writes:
>For some, being in the same room with, and having sex with,
>are the same thing, practically speaking, or in practice.

Is it because they're supersluts, *extremely* arousable, or just
really picky about what rooms they enter?

George Dalton Madison

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Sep 2, 1993, 11:44:29 AM9/2/93
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Jess Anderson writes:
>That's it. Madison, you're disgusting!

Why, *thank* *you*!

David Stevenson

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Sep 2, 1993, 12:25:20 PM9/2/93
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ma...@panix.com (Mara Chibnik) asks:

>
>stev...@netcom.com (David Stevenson) writes:
> >For some, being in the same room with, and having sex with,
> >are the same thing, practically speaking, or in practice.
>
>Is it because they're supersluts, *extremely* arousable, or just
>really picky about what rooms they enter?
>
Some or all of the above.
First one has the general physio/psycho/sociological dynamics of orgies,
a topic in and of itself.
Second, with the advent of AIDS (paradoxically?), the notion, definition,
and practice of sex and sexuality has broadened considerably, at least in
public and semi-public areas and enclosures, at least around these parts.
And finally, one does not need to be too picky (just sensible) about what
rooms one enters in gay San Francisco.

Schwark R.

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Sep 2, 1993, 1:41:29 PM9/2/93
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In article <1993Sep2.1...@convex.com> cgr...@convex.com (Chip Graham) writes:
>
>But that doesn't change the fact that I like to go out and see
>men who look like men. That is my preference and I will not
>back down on it. Thank you George for at least allowing me that!

gosh. Witness the howling hordes, trying to take away your manly men,
and replace them with hairdressers who will tie you up and make you
listen to judy garland records while moussing your hair.

Such cruelty. Such evil.

*SNORT*

Ry

Melinda Shore

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Sep 2, 1993, 5:28:43 PM9/2/93
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In article <263ucd$k...@mizar.usc.edu> adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <263tvg$9...@news.doit.wisc.edu>
>ande...@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>> That's it. Madison, you're disgusting!
>This is news?

Not really, but I don't think it's anything a change of
clothing and a touch of blush wouldn't fix.
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Mike Reaser

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Sep 2, 1993, 5:33:50 PM9/2/93
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sh...@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
|> In article <263ucd$k...@mizar.usc.edu>
|> adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|> >In article <263tvg$9...@news.doit.wisc.edu>
|> >ande...@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
|> >> That's it. Madison, you're disgusting!
|> >This is news?
|>
|> Not really, but I don't think it's anything a change of
|> clothing and a touch of blush wouldn't fix.

Uh, Melinda, you forgot the blue-light-special-sized bottle of either
Grease Relief or Dawn.

You need _something_ to get that Castrol out of the pores...

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<<Ducking, or do you prefer another brand, George??? :-) >>

Jack Hamilton

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Sep 2, 1993, 11:30:51 PM9/2/93
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cgr...@convex.com (Chip Graham) wrote:

>But that doesn't change the fact that I like to go out and see
>men who look like men. That is my preference and I will not
>back down on it. Thank you George for at least allowing me that!

You still haven't got it.

People weren't objecting to your choice of sex objects. We were objecting to
the way you classify anyone who doesn't fall into your traditional categories
("men who look like men") as not really a man.

Reread what you just wrote.

Tim Pierce

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Sep 3, 1993, 2:59:36 AM9/3/93
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In article <1993Aug31....@convex.com>,
Chip Graham <cgr...@convex.com> wrote:

>The idea was I don't go to the bars to find a
>female - real or fake.

"Real" or "fake?" The ghastly terminology aside, what makes you think
you could tell the difference? Frankly, I doubt you could reliably
distinguish your penis from a dry martini.

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Tim Pierce

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Sep 3, 1993, 3:09:27 AM9/3/93
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For a while there, I was starting to think that maybe Jake Coughlin
and I were really two *different* people. Then I run across a post
like this one:

In article <CCour...@hawnews.watson.ibm.com>,
Jake Coughlin <ja...@rtp.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:

>i've just started a goatee, and it's
>taking FOREVER to grow in. i think i need a
>testosterone injection.]

There's nothing like a good dose of Usenet to re-enervate your
reality. Hey, Jake! Whaddya think of Albany so far?

Michael Hefner

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