Queer Songs
Megatone
>Also, "Band of Gold", by Frieda Payne (covered by Belinda Carlisle and
>Bonnie Tyler):
....and Sylvester!!!!!
<sigh> How quickly they forget.
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he...@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
> What I was wondering is if anyone out there can come up with
>other songs that might have blatent, or latent queer significance or
>sensibility. Post 'em! Maybe I'll compile a list....
If you're counting cover versions where the gender is not switched to
portray a motos-situation, don't forget:
"Crimson and Clover" - Joan Jett
"My Man's Gone Now" - The Gun Club (doing the George and Ira Gershwin jewel.)
There's also "unpleaseant underbelly" songs -
"Fiddle About" - from the Who's "Tommy". An enterprising Uncle Ernie, left
to mind the Pinball player from Hell, takes a liberty or
two.
"53rd and 3rd" - Supposedly a sordid chapter from the life of
Dee Dee "Chinese Rocks" Ramone, this song from the otherwise
entertaining first album by the Ramones is the story of a
hustler who is handy with a razor blade, but proves, at last,
that he is "no sissy".
As for vague "are they really talking about *that*?" insinuations, the
Pretenders have "When Will I see You?" from 'Packed', in which the
chorus goes:
"Demand the impossible!
everyone will be free
We'll walk down the Avenue
Openly - openly!"
(exclamation points from the lyric sheet, not me...)
and finally, coming back to the Stones (as we all must, really), with a
little thing I forgot - the 'third' verse of "Honky Tonk Women",
reserved for live performance until 1976:
".. I strolled along the blue-light boards of Paris,
as naked as the day that I will die,
the sailors, they're so charming there in Paris,
but they just don't seem to sail you off my mind."
Ron Buckmire
> A few weeks ago, while searching through the bin of used
>cassettes at a local record store. I came across Sinead O'Conner's
>latest effor "Am I Not Your Girl?".
> Well, I was listening to it today, and one of the songs she
>covers, "Secret Love", seem to have some underlying queer
>significance:
How interesting! I hadn't noticed that. I do like that album a lot though,
except for the ill-fated cover of DON'T CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA.
I sometimes play Sinead on HOMOradio (WRPI, Troy 91.5 FM Sundays 12-2pm) and
we only play gay/lesbian/bisexual affirming artists on that show...
Cool to have an apropos song to pick, also.
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> OK, so the queer sentiment may be subtle, and it may have come
>long after the thing was originally penned, but none the less, it
>made me smile a little bit on an otherwise drab day.
> What I was wondering is if anyone out there can come up with
>other songs that might have blatent, or latent queer significance or
>sensibility. Post 'em! Maybe I'll compile a list....
Well, of course there are Bronski Beat and Jimmy Somerville.
For a song with a subtle context try this one by Styx. The
song is called "First Time". It is sung by Dennis De Young
and the dedication reads "For Paul".
The lights are low
And we're alone
The fire's glow
It keeps us warm
As I reach out and touch your face
The moon lights up our first embrace
But please don't hesitate
Hold my hand, don't be afraid
Of the feelings in your heart
Just close your eyes, no one will mind
If we're to fall in love this first time
Don't be afraid of love
Don't be afraid of love
Don't be afraid of love
(chorus)
It's the first time
The first time for love
There could be so many worlds and mountains
We could climb
Together, the two of us tonight
The two of us, we're quite a pair
Those lonely nights we both can share
So don't be shy, 'cause it's okay
I understand feeling thta way
Hold my hand, don't be afraid
Of the feelings in your heart
Close your eyes, no one will mind
If we're to fall in love this first time
It's the first time
(repeat chorus)
It is a very beautiful love song, IMO.
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George Dalton Madison
>What I was wondering is if anyone out there can come up with
>other songs that might have blatent, or latent queer significance or
>sensibility. Post 'em! Maybe I'll compile a list....
_Valerie_, by Quarterflash.
I didn't have a chance in art school
You offered to help this poor fool
And I was more than pleased
That you had taken me under your wing
And during those first encounters
I sensed a curious power
But I was ill-equipped
To understand your subtle hints....
Chorus:
Oh, Valerie!
I never thought it would go this far
Oh, Valerie!
I never thought it would go this far
I never suspected your intentions
When you showed unusual affection
But when you kissed my cheek
My world collapsed, my knees went weak
In a moment that just made no sense
I lost my nerve and innocence
I turned and ran away
I'll never understand that day
(Chorus)
It's so easy to see, now
You dropped a thousand clues
But no matter which way I turned
I'd got something to lose, something to lose
(Bridge)
(Chorus)
The last I saw of Valerie
She was hung in the student gallery
By some aspiring soul
I hope she understands her role
Since stumbling in my confusion
With one last innocent illusion
I've got just this to say
I wish there had been an easier way
(Chorus x2)
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Given that Quarterflash has a female lead singer (Rindy Ross), it
would seem pretty clear this is about a lesbian encounter.... I
was rather surprised that an apparently quite straight band (the
two principal members -- Marv and Rindy Ross -- are married) would
put a song like this on their debut album. I'm pleased they did,
of course.
() You never know till you take a chance,
() If you're out on that wire, you might as well dance!
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love song. I can't recall all the lyrics but it strikes me that
there is no way that it can be construed that a woman is involved
however I don't know the origin of the song.
I have this very vague perhaps pseudo-memory that it is a World War I
song. Anyone know?
In any case a very sad and lovely song.
Jack Carroll
I Got a Million of'em
"Hetero Scum" - The Sugar Cubes
Bob Koenig
Lesse if I can think of some more motss-related songs/albums...hmmm.
Village People-"San Francisco", "Key West", and many others. Oh hell.
Lets just say:
Village People-"Greatest Hits" :)
Ah, well. That's too obvious. :)
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instantly knew was "queer-coded" was "I Honestly Love You",
sung by Olivia Newton-John, which contains the unforgettable
lines:
And if we both were born in another place and time,
this evening might be ending with a kiss;
but there you are with yours and here I am with mine --
I guess we'll just be leaving it at this.
Joe and Jane Straight might have thought "there you are
with yours and here I am with mine" referred to spouses,
but I knew in my heart the songwriter was talking about
matching genitalia.
Anyone know who did write the song? And was he or she
family?
Stephen Nicholson
he...@athena.cs.uga.edu writes:
> What I was wondering is if anyone out there can come up with
>other songs that might have blatent, or latent queer significance or
>sensibility. Post 'em! Maybe I'll compile a list....
Hmm, there's an Australian singer/guitarist called Rob Clarkson
(who I think is just adorable) who has a wonderful song called
"Beautiful Girls and Beautiful Boys". Its all about how
"beautful girls go out with beautiful boys and average boys
go out with average girls..." However, it has a great pro-gay
verse & chorus in it which goes:
"Up 'til now my songs have been Heterosexist,
but it seems in the gay scene the same exists,
people want to get attached - the ideology of perfect match,
boys and boys, and girls and girls,
everyone around the world knows ...
Beautiful boys go out with beautiful boys,
and beautiful girls go out with beautiful girls
....."
Great stuff! Note that there are NEVER any average boys'n'boys
or girls'n'girls :-) I'm not sure if Rob is Family or not -
but I hope so ;-)
The next song on the album called "Pickup Situation", starts:
"As Tonto said to the Lone Ranger
I like the way you hold
that horse between your legs young man,
may I be so bold as to
ask you back to my wigwam
and put some pork upon your fork
and if not fork at least some ham ... "
Yum! Rob can take me to his Wigwam any time he likes!
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beginning of this thread. Sorry if some of these are repeats.
Ma Rainy (and 1920s blues singer) had a blatantly lesbian song.
I used to have a scratchy version on an LP collection, but if
I still have it it's buried in a box at the bottom of a closet.
Part of the lyrics: "I went out last night with a bunch of my friends,
They must have been women,
cuz I don't like no men(s)"
Frankie Goes to Hollywood, _Welcome to the Pleasuredome_ has "Krisco
Kisses".
"Krisco kisses never misses
Krisco kisses never misses
...
Aaaargh! higher, higher
I like black thunder, you feed my hunger
Aaaargh, higher, higher
.....you fit me like a glove,
you fit me like a glove
....you can take it all, you can take it
all. Up!
Give us a blooooooow"
Bronski Beat, _Age of Consent_: "Why", "Screaming", "Smalltown Boy"
Jack Carroll
Howard Solomon - SunSoft Sales Support Engineer
let's test my memory:
Here's the second verse. I can't remember the first. Ironically, I sang the first
and NOT the second. The refrain follows...
Buddy's through all of the gay days
Buddies when something went wrong
I ......... through the gray days
Missing your ... and your song
Nights are long since you went away
I think about you all through the day
My buddy, My buddy
Your buddy misses you.
Howard
Howard Solomon - SunSoft Sales Support Engineer
There a wonderful Joe Jackson song from the early 80s I think that goes:
See the nice boys
Dancing in pairs
Golden earring, golden tan
and blow wave in their hair
Sure they're all straight
Straight as a line
All the gays are macho
Can't you see their leather shine
Here they go
Go 'round again
And now and then we wonder who the real men are.....
Howard, the proud pappa of the six year old motss.con still going strong
PS: trying to be back again, can someone point me to where I can get nn or
something similar so I don't go insane sorting through an ancient news
reader? PLEASE...
Howard Solomon - SunSoft Sales Support Engineer
All the time I thought
There's only me
Crazy in a way
That no one else could be
If I had known that you were somewhere too
Thinking all the time
There's only you
All the time I thought
That I was wrong
Wanting to be me
But needing to belong
Some other refrain like above
All the time
All the wasted time
All the years
Waiting for a sign
To think I had it all
All the time...
Howard (lots 'o songs in my head) Solomon
Steven Levine
>I was musing on the notion of Doris Day as
>Lesbian. It certainly would put an extra
>spin on "Pillow Talk".
Think of her as Calamity Jane. (Isn't that where "Secret Love"
comes from? Wasn't she riding a horse in cowgirl drag when
she sang it?) Think of the "tomboy" aspects of her
early screen persona. Think of Holly Near singing "Sentimental
Journey."
>There were a lot of songs that seemed to be
>code songs. "Little Girl Blue" was one.
Jack Carroll wrote me that "Love Look Away" was another.
>It's the kind of thing that's known by the
>people who know it. You know?
I suspect that Sinead O'Conner, or at least her producers,
knew it when they included "Secret Love" on her album.
>Arne, sitting there counting the raindrops
Me, I sit at the window and watch the rain.
-Steven Levine
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Tane' Tachyon
In article <93215.23...@CUNYVM.BITNET> <KE...@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
>I've always considered that ancient song "My Buddy" as a male/male
>love song. I can't recall all the lyrics but it strikes me that
>there is no way that it can be construed that a woman is involved
>however I don't know the origin of the song.
"Out on the Road" release. I'd check its attribution but I gave
someone my copy and haven't gotten a replacement yet.
>Ma Rainy (and 1920s blues singer) had a blatantly lesbian song.
>I used to have a scratchy version on an LP collection, but if
>I still have it it's buried in a box at the bottom of a closet.
>
>Part of the lyrics: "I went out last night with a bunch of my friends,
> They must have been women,
> cuz I don't like no men(s)"
>
One place to find it and other such songs is the "Sissy Man Blues"
compilation, available from Ladyslipper (800-634-6044).
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Charlie Fulton
Pete Shelley, "Homosapien" (1981)
(I can't remember the verses to this, but I jees love the
chorus)
I'm a shy boy/You're a coy boy/And you know we're homosapien too
I'm a cruiser/You're a loser/Me & you sir/Homosapien too
Homo Superior/In my interior
But for your-->[never could make this phrase out...sylvia?]
Homosapien too/ & you're homosapien too/ & I'm homosapien like you/
And we're homosapien too
Lou Christie, "The Boys Lazed on the Verandah" (1970)
And the boys lazed/ On the verandah/ Watched by hungry eyes
Never doubting/ The attraction/ Of their sunburnt thighs
Chorus:
They're not for you, little girl/ They're much too beautiful for that
But take a look at Mr. X/ And see the way the boys react
(reaaaaaact)
Now the man he/ Points his finger/ And the boy will come
Swaying gently/ Full of purpose/ Sucking on his thumb
Repeat chorus
Watch him smiling/ So beguiling/ No, it's not your son
Can't you tell from/ The way he's standing/ What will soon be done
Now they're leaving/ The verandah/ For a quiet place
Don't be worried/ Or get uptight/ It's quite commonplace
Charlie
Steven Levine
>it is a World War I song. Anyone know?
My 78 rpm recording of it is by Bing Crosby and is from the WWII years,
but I also have a vague memory of running across the sheet music
somewhere and noting that it was a WWI song. I think it had
a second life with the second World War.
I also once had a 78 of Bing Crosby singing "I Only Want a
Buddy, Not a Sweetheart," which is not necessarily a
queer-resonant song but I can identify with it.
As long as we're talking WWII songs, one of the oddest (and
campiest) records I own is "You Can't Say No to a Soldier."
Pieces of it:
...So if you're patriotically inclined
Heed the call to arms, and keep this thought in mind.
Oh you can't so "no" to a soldier
A sailor or a handsome marine
If he says it's cold on that submarine
You can knit a sweater, but that's not what he means
So get out your lipstick and powder
Be beautiful and dutiful too..
The song goes on to imply that you should have sex with
servicemen if you want to preserve liberty, which seems
a somewhat contradictory exhortation.
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Don't forget Tom Robinson: "Proud to be Gay", "Cabin Boy", many others.
On Cindy Lauper's first record, "She's So Unusual", she does a Prince
song, "When You Were Mine", about her boyfriend leaving her for a guy.
Mat Baskin bas...@watson.ibm.com
BG
>On Cindy Lauper's first record, "She's So Unusual", she does a Prince
>song, "When You Were Mine", about her boyfriend leaving her for a guy.
Or was it her GIRLFRIEND leaving her for a guy?
"Don't care that you're sleeping with another guy"
"another" could mean "you are sleeping with guys again"
Lots of interpretations, though the original posters one is the one
I like the most...
BG
Benjamin J Doherty
> What I was wondering is if anyone out there can come up with
>other songs that might have blatent, or latent queer significance or
>sensibility. Post 'em! Maybe I'll compile a list....
Perhaps my favorite has to be "Kashka from Baghdad" by Kate Bush.
Kashka from Baghdad
Lives in sin, they say,
With another man,
But no one knows who.
Dark lights at night.
No one thinks there's life inside at all,
That there's life inside at all.
At night
They're seen
Laughing,
Dancing.
They know
The way
To be
Happy.
Never go for walks.
Maybe it's because
The moon's not bright enough.
Light in love, you see.
I watch their shadows,
Tall and slim,
In the window opposite.
I long to be with them.
At night
They're seen
Laughing,
Loving.
They know
The way
To be
Happy.
And there is "The Handsome Cabin Boy" which is a traditional seafaring song
from Irish sources.
'Tis of a pretty female
As you may understand.
Her mind being bent for rambling
Unto some foreign land,
She dressed herself in sailor's clothes,
Or so it does appear,
And she hired with a captain
To serve him for a year.
[The captain's wife she being on board,
She seemed in great joy
To think the captain had engaged
Such a handsome cabin boy,
That now and then she'd slip him a kiss,
And she'd have liked to toy,
But 'twas the captain found out the secret
Of the handsome cabin boy.]
Her cheeks they were like roses
And her hair rolled in a curl.
The sailors often smiled and said
He looked just like a girl.
But eating of the captain's biscuit
Her colour did destroy,
And the waist did swell of pretty Nell,
The handsome cabin boy.
'Twas in the bay of Biscay
Our gallant ship did plow.
One night among the sailors
Was a fearful flurry and row.*
They tumbled from their hammocks
For their sleep it did destroy,
And they sworn about the groaning
Of the handsome cabin boy.
"Oh doctor, dear, oh doctor,"
The cabin boy did cry.
"My time has come, I am undone,
And I will surely die."
The doctor come a-runnin'
And a-smilin' at the fun.
To think a sailor lad should have
A daughter or a son.
The sailors when they saw the joke
They all did stand and stare.
The child belonged to none of them,
They solemnly did swear.
The captain's wife, she says to him,
"My dear, I wish you joy,
For 'tis either you or me's betrayed
The handsome cabin boy!"
[Now sailors, take your tot of rum
And drink success to trade,
And likewise to the cabin boy
That was neither man nor maid.
Here's hoping the wars don't rise again
Our sailors to destroy,
And here's hoping for a jolly lot more
Like the handsome cabin boy.]
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adolphson
> In article <93215.23...@CUNYVM.BITNET> <KE...@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
> >I've always considered that ancient song "My Buddy" as a male/male
> >love song...I have this very vague perhaps pseudo-memory that
> >it is a World War I song. Anyone know?
>
> My 78 rpm recording of it is by Bing Crosby and is from the WWII years,
> but I also have a vague memory of running across the sheet music
> somewhere and noting that it was a WWI song. I think it had
> a second life with the second World War.
I'd always assumed it was a WWII song. Odd. The most
famous recording of "My Buddy" is Frank Sinatra's, made
when he was crooning to the bobbysoxers during his first
career. He sings it as a romantic ballad. Another especially
good version of the song is Chet Baker's. The song is
*intensely* homoerotic, but then the whole military buddy
thingie is intensely homoerotic.
> I also once had a 78 of Bing Crosby singing "I Only Want a
> Buddy, Not a Sweetheart," which is not necessarily a
> queer-resonant song but I can identify with it.
CBS Legacy has just issued a CD called "Can't Help Lovin'
That Man", which is a collection of songs usually sung by
women (like the title song) but recorded by men in the
'20s and '30s. A few months ago I heard Bing Crosby's
1920s recording of Libby Holman's great song "There Ain't
No Sweet Man Who's Worth the Salt of My Tears", but it
isn't on this CD. Bing Crosby does have a couple of cuts
on it, though, along with Ukelele Ike and a dozen or so
others.
> As long as we're talking WWII songs, one of the oddest (and
> campiest) records I own is "You Can't Say No to a Soldier."
I've never heard it. Who do you have singing it? And
is it from one of the War Department-sponsored drag
reviews?
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Mike Reaser
|> In article <1993Aug3.1...@hemlock.cray.com>
|> ste...@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes:
|> > In article <23migv$1...@mizar.usc.edu>
|> > adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|> > >Arne, still not over the thought that the love that
|> > > Doris Day shouted from the highest hill might have
|> > > been sapphic in nature
|> > Are you serious, that this is the first you've heard of this
|> > connection? Although it wasn't the sapphists in particular
|> > who took this up as one of their theme songs, as far as I know.
|> It's not the first time I've heard of the
|> connection between gay men and "Secret Love".
|> I was musing on the notion of Doris Day as
|> Lesbian. It certainly would put an extra
|> spin on "Pillow Talk".
Yes, but then how should we take Thelma Ritter's character?
Chief fag hag? Frustrated mature dyke? Hmmmm....
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adolphson
> In article <23n1a7$a...@mizar.usc.edu>
> adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >I was musing on the notion of Doris Day as
> >Lesbian. It certainly would put an extra
> >spin on "Pillow Talk".
> Think of her as Calamity Jane. (Isn't that where "Secret Love"
> comes from? Wasn't she riding a horse in cowgirl drag when
> she sang it?)
Yes, she's riding a horse, and there are lots of
swooping camera moves.
> Think of the "tomboy" aspects of her early screen persona.
Doris Day never really lost that "tomboy" thing.
It's odd, but it wasnt' until yesterday that I
thought to refract her image and persona through
a lesbian filter. I've thought of her as a RuPaul-ish
drag queen, I've thought of her as a living, breathing
Barbie doll, etc. etc., but not once had I thought
of her as Lesbian. "Pillow Talk", because it's
already got all sorts of crypto-fag stuff going on,
takes on a whole new edge if you factor in crypto-dyke
stuff. And I think it might just *be* there, too.
Anyway, I think that Doris Day is one of a handful of
the most brilliant movie actors ever to have stepped in
front of a camera. And no, I'm not joking. You can
have your boring Meryl Streeps and Glenn Closes. Give
me Doris Day.
> Think of Holly Near singing "Sentimental Journey."
Do I have to?
> >There were a lot of songs that seemed to be
> >code songs. "Little Girl Blue" was one.
>
> Jack Carroll wrote me that "Love Look Away" was another.
Oh yes. That does make sense to me.
> >It's the kind of thing that's known by the
> >people who know it. You know?
>
> I suspect that Sinead O'Conner, or at least her producers,
> knew it when they included "Secret Love" on her album.
Absolutely. Why else would someone record *that* song?
--
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adol...@mizar.usc.edu long as it encourages people to keep flexible."
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Michael Hefner
(of "I Spent My Last Ten Dollars on Birth Control and Beer" fame)
I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna be
Soon you're gonna be fuckin' me
I'm gonna tell you what your mama will say
"I'm ashamed my daughter is gay
I always knew that it was true
You're a queer, and your brother is too
I don't know what I did wrong
But I hope your fixation does not last too long"
I'm gonna tell you what's going down town
All those people are putting you down
Some day you'll get scared when you're watching TV
Thinking "what the hell is wrong with me?
I must be fucked in the head
'Cause I want to take that girl to bed"
You can be afraid and it's okay
'Cause I'm so in love with you anyway
I'm gonna take you to queer bars
I'm gonna drive you in queer cars
You're gonna meet all my queer friends
Our queer, queer fun it never ends
We're gonna have a happy life
Both of us are gonna be the wife
I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna be
It's queer, queer fun for you and me
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UNC-Chapel Hill CS Dept. \ / coexistence with homosexuals."
Geek Stuff: hef...@cs.unc.edu \/ -Kevin Tebedo, co-founder of Colorado For
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Michael Schwartz
>
> A few weeks ago, while searching through the bin of used
>cassettes at a local record store. I came across Sinead O'Conner's
>latest effor "Am I Not Your Girl?".
> Well, I was listening to it today, and one of the songs she
>covers, "Secret Love", seem to have some underlying queer
>significance:
>
>
> OK, so the queer sentiment may be subtle, and it may have come
>long after the thing was originally penned, but none the less, it
>made me smile a little bit on an otherwise drab day.
>other songs that might have blatent, or latent queer significance or
>sensibility. Post 'em! Maybe I'll compile a list....
>
For a truly queer experience, you should try the original recording of "Secret
Love" by Doris Day. Now that takes on all sorts of overtones and undertones.
For at least one generation of gay men, the unofficial gay anthem was "We Kiss
in the Shadows" from "The King & I," sung by the concubine Tuptim (played by Rita
Moreno!) and her boyfriend. Lyrics include:
"Alone in our secret, together we sigh
For one smiling day to be free
To kiss in the sunlight and say to the sky,
'Behold and believe what you see --
Behold how my lover loves me.' "
But my favorite unintentionally-queer queer song is "All the Sad Young Men." Sample
lyrics (misquoted from memory):
"All the sad young men, sitting in the cold,
Trying to forget that they're growing old. ...
Pretty little girl does the best she can,
Trying to be gay for a sad young man ... "
I'm told there's a rendition of this by Roberta Flack, but for the truly queer
experience, search out the over-the-top version by Shirley "Goldfinger" Bassey. If
you need a definition of "camp," this is it.
adolphson
> >I've always considered that ancient song "My Buddy" as a male/male
> >love song...I have this very vague perhaps pseudo-memory that
> >it is a World War I song. Anyone know?
>
> My 78 rpm recording of it is by Bing Crosby and is from the WWII years,
> but I also have a vague memory of running across the sheet music
> somewhere and noting that it was a WWI song. I think it had
> a second life with the second World War.
I just ran to the music library to look it up. "My Buddy",
with words by Gus Kahn and music by Walter Donaldson, bears
a 1922 copyright. The lyrics, while I'm at it, are quite
simple:
Nights are long since you went away,
I think about you all through the day;
My buddy, my buddy,
No buddy quite so true.
Miss your voice, the touch of your hand,
Just long to know that you understand;
My buddy, my buddy,
Your buddy misses you.
Homoerotic?
DWA...@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
Heath) says:
>
> What I was wondering is if anyone out there can come up with
>other songs that might have blatent, or latent queer significance or
>sensibility. Post 'em! Maybe I'll compile a list....
>
Bronski Beat, "Smalltown Boy"
Billy Bragg, "Tender Comrade"
"Sexuality"
The Smiths/Morrissey, "This Charming Man"
"Ask"
"Hairdresser on Fire"
Depeche Mode, "Strange Love"
"Master and Servant"
Sugar, "The Slim"
Boy George, "The Crying Game"
Not surprisingly, most of these groups/singers are openly gay or bi (Billy
Bragg), although Morrissey claims to be "asexual."
Dennis
dwa...@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
bas...@watson.ibm.com
bgo...@gnumath.rutgers.edu (BG) writes:
>bas...@watson.ibm.com writes:
>
>
> >On Cindy Lauper's first record, "She's So Unusual", she does a Prince
> >song, "When You Were Mine", about her boyfriend leaving her for a guy.
>
>Or was it her GIRLFRIEND leaving her for a guy?
You're right! I never thought of that possibility. In either case,
though, her ex has to be bi. Anyway, I love that song and that whole
record. (Anyone check out her latest record?)
Sting has also done some gay songs. "Secret wedding" is about a gay
wedding, and "Englishman in New York" is about Quentin Crisp, who is in
the video.
Mat Baskin bas...@watson.ibm.com
FJ!!
>of her as Lesbian. "Pillow Talk", because it's
>already got all sorts of crypto-fag stuff going on,
>takes on a whole new edge if you factor in crypto-dyke
>stuff. And I think it might just *be* there, too.
Ah yes. What was it? Pretzels? Cookies? Calling mom?
I spent a Sunday afternoon recently watching that movie (I _do_ so love
the BBC) and had a most delightful time.
FJ!!
Ron Monteiro
>I've always considered that ancient song "My Buddy" as a male/male
>there is no way that it can be construed that a woman is involved
>however I don't know the origin of the song.
>
>song. Anyone know?
>
The Flirtations, at least, agree with you on this one - they did a cover
of it on their secod CD "Out on the Road"....
Ron
Ron Monteiro
>In article <CB7HA...@spdcc.com>, r...@spdcc.com (Ron Monteiro) writes:
>
>
>>Also, "Band of Gold", by Frieda Payne (covered by Belinda Carlisle and
>>Bonnie Tyler):
>
>....and Sylvester!!!!!
>
><sigh> How quickly they forget.
I humbly apologize - I didn't know that Sylvester had covered the song.
Now I have to find a copy! :>
Ron
Ron Monteiro
the following:
[Note: I'm excluding the obvious, like Romanovsky and Phillips, the
Flirtations, Tom Robinson, etc.]
Don Dixon - "Andy"
The story of a bisexual dancer. "He had a way with women/he listened to
their lies/but he could live without 'em/cuz he had a way with guys" [...]
"Ain't no doubt about it/There ain't no doubt at all/Andy's favorite
party/is in a restroom stall"...
Blow Monkeys - Cover of Lesley Gore's "You Don't Own Me" on the Dirty
Dancing Soundtrack
No genders changed for the male lead singer: "You don't own me/I'm not
just one of your many toys/you don't own me/don't say I can't go with
other boys"
Elton Motello/The Damned - "Jet Boy/Jet Girl"
Teenager's masturbatory fantasy about another guy...
Tim Curry - "Birds of a Feather"/"Alan"
In the first, a street pick up.
The second, a man cares for his best friend, who had just gotten beaten up...
Ron
Clay Colwell
In article <23obi1$8...@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM>, h...@thetemple.East.Sun.COM (Howard Solomon - SunSoft Sales Support Engineer) writes:
> Not fully up on motss again, yet, just skimming, but...
>
> There a wonderful Joe Jackson song from the early 80s I think that goes:
>
> See the nice boys
> Dancing in pairs
> Golden earring, golden tan
> and blow wave in their hair
>
> Sure they're all straight
> Straight as a line
> All the gays are macho
> Can't you see their leather shine
>
> Here they go
> Go 'round again
> And now and then we wonder who the real men are.....
>
And the most telling verses:
Don't want to sound dumb
Don't want to offend
So don't call me a faggot
Unless you are a friend
And then if you're tall
and handsome and strong
You can wear the uniform
and I can play along
It was off the "Night And Day" album. I'll look it up tonight.
--
Clay Colwell "If homosexuality is a disease, then let's all call
aka PlainsSmurf in queer to work." - Robin Tyler
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Ron Monteiro
>
>Don't forget Tom Robinson: "Proud to be Gay", "Cabin Boy", many others.
>
Actually, the title is "Glad to Be Gay"....
Tom Robinson is one of the great unknowns (in this country, anyway).
Probably my favorite album if his is "still loving you" which I only have
on tape. But he's been pretty prolific - songs like "Never Gonna Fall in
Love Again" written with Elton John, "Old Friend", "You Tattoed Me", a
WICKED cover of "Rikki Don't lose that Number" (with the new bridge "I can
tell you all I know, the where to go, the what to do/and you can try and
run, but you can't hide from what's inside of you") and lots of others all
have an overt gay sensibility. He was an openly gay performer back in 1977,
and has been recording since then.
And besides which, he's a damn good song writer.
Chuck Meares
>
> A few weeks ago, while searching through the bin of used
>cassettes at a local record store. I came across Sinead O'Conner's
>latest effor "Am I Not Your Girl?".
> Well, I was listening to it today, and one of the songs she
>covers, "Secret Love", seem to have some underlying queer
>significance:
>
> that lived within the heart of me.
> All too soon, my secret love
> Became impatient to be free.
>
> "So I told a friendly star,
> The way that dreamers often do.
> Just how wonderful you are,
> Why I'm so in love with you.
>
> "Now I shout it from the highest hill,
> even told the golden daffodil.
> At last my hearts an open door,
> and my secret love's no secret anymore."
>
Good thought. I too have always had warm thoughts for this song.
Unfortunately, it is origionally from a musical about Kalamity Jane.
I saw the movie version, with Doris Day playing Jane, when I was younger.
The premis of the song is that Jane is supposed to be this 'tough' tomboyish
person and she is secretly in love with the male lead.
In the movie, at least, the song is performed while Jane is sitting under
a tree by a river.
This has no motss context, but it was fun remembering!
:)
Chuck
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Mike Reaser
Damn you both. Now, all I can hear in my mind, over and over and over
and over and ... is Ms. Payne's version.
A kick-ass version of the song, no question. But when I found myself
humming it as I visited the "facilities" and getting fascinated with
the echo effects around the urinals, I knew I was in trouble... :-)
adolphson
chu...@seahawk.tcs.com (Chuck Meares) writes about "Secret Love":
> Unfortunately, it is origionally from a musical about Kalamity Jane.
> I saw the movie version, with Doris Day playing Jane, when I was younger.
>
> The premis of the song is that Jane is supposed to be this 'tough' tomboyish
> person and she is secretly in love with the male lead.
>
> In the movie, at least, the song is performed while Jane is sitting under
> a tree by a river.
I haven't seen the movie in years, but I remember Doris
Day singing the song while riding a horse, with all sorts
of sweeping camera movements on "now I shout it from
the highest hill".
Under a tree by a river? Hmmmmm. Maybe I should throw
myself a Doris Day Film Festival. Let's see, what should
I screen? "Love Me or Leave Me", of course. "Pillow
Talk" and "That Touch of Mink". What else?
Steven Levine
My 78 rpm recording of it is by Bing Crosby and is from the WWII years,
but I also have a vague memory of running across the sheet music
somewhere and noting that it was a WWI song.
Arne checked on this:
I just ran to the music library to look it up. "My Buddy",
with words by Gus Kahn and music by Walter Donaldson, bears
a 1922 copyright. The lyrics, while I'm at it, are quite
simple:
Nights are long since you went away,
I think about you all through the day;
My buddy, my buddy,
No buddy quite so true.
Miss your voice, the touch of your hand,
Just long to know that you understand;
My buddy, my buddy,
Your buddy misses you.
My recollection (which I would not swear by) of the copy of the sheet
music I saw is that it had a drawing of a WWI soldier, and the
implication (either explicit or in my mind) that the song is about a
soldier who was killed in the war. This might make sense, given
a copyright of 1922. If this was the understood meaning of the
song, then a WWII revival of its popularity makes sense.
Homoerotic?
Absolutely. And morbid.
The most distressing WWII song I know is "My Sister and I". My father
sang this to me once when I was a kid as if the song were a joke, but
the words upset me terribly. This song, as best as I can gather,
was a big hit, but for some reason it doesn't get put on
tv-advertised war-music-nostalgia records, so it is not as
well known as "Don't Sit Under the Apple Tree" and "The White
Cliffs of Dover." From memory (but I could check out my sheet
music if anyone cares):
My sister and I remember still
A tulip garden by an old Dutch mill
And a farm that was all our own until...
But we don't talk about that
My sister and I recall once more
A fishing schooner pulling into shore
And the dog-cart we drove before the war...
But we don't talk about that
We're longing to forget the fear
That comes from a troubled sky
We're almost happy over here
But sometimes we wake at night and cry
My sister and I recall the day
We said good-bye and then we pulled away
And we think of our friends who had to stay...
But we don't talk about that
--
Steven Levine
ste...@cray.com
Mike Reaser
|> In article <23p7pj$q...@hpscit.sc.hp.com>
|> m...@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
|>
|> > "Please Don't Eat the Daisies".
|>
|> Of course!
|>
|> > "Sudden ???"
|> > I can't remember the entire title -- it was a suspense thriller, her
|> > character's name was "Kit" [...]
|>
|> Ohmigod, I forgot "Midnight Lace"!!!
I could see it in my mind's eye -- American Movie Classics just ran it
(and ran it, and ran it, and ... ) a few weeks ago, but I just drew a
_complete_ blank on the title. All I could think of was "Sudden Fear",
and I __KNEW__ that was wrong -- "Sudden Fear" starred our own, dear Joan.
Twenty lashes with James Garner's eyebrows from "That Touch of Mink"
for forgetting this one... :-)
|> It's such
|> a faaaaabulous movie. Then there's "Julie", too.
Yup -- let's keep it up. We'll come up with the compleat Dodo filmography
soon!
Emily Rizzo
>adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>|> Under a tree by a river? Hmmmmm. Maybe I should throw
>|> myself a Doris Day Film Festival. Let's see, what should
>|> I screen? "Love Me or Leave Me", of course. "Pillow
>|> Talk" and "That Touch of Mink". What else?
>"Please Don't Eat the Daisies".
Wasn't she also in "The Man Who Knew Too Much" with Jimmy Stewart? Anyway,
the one where she sang "Que Sera Sera" and played the mother of a kidnapped
child --- obviously a departure from her usual roles unless you are a good
Catholic and have no difficulty with the concept of a virgin birth.
Emily
Mike Reaser
|> Wasn't she also in "The Man Who Knew Too Much" with Jimmy Stewart?
( Shit ) ^ 4.
Damn it, Arne, how could we have _both_ forgotten this one?
And by Hitchcock, one of my favorite directors (along with Michael
Curtiz, George Stevens, and Fred Zinnemann).
Mike Reaser
|> Under a tree by a river? Hmmmmm. Maybe I should throw
|> myself a Doris Day Film Festival. Let's see, what should
|> I screen? "Love Me or Leave Me", of course. "Pillow
|> Talk" and "That Touch of Mink". What else?
"Please Don't Eat the Daisies".
"Sudden ???"
I can't remember the entire title -- it was a suspense thriller, her
character's name was "Kit", and I believe the producer was (as always)
Ross Hunter. I think it came out in '62 or '63. I'll look it up
tonight in my copy of "Inside Oscar" -- Hunter blew a bundle trying to
get her nominated for the Academy Award for Best Actress. After all,
it worked with "Pillow Talk". :-)
Greg Parkinson
In article <23p5hm$q...@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, m...@atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
|> In article <CB8uz...@spdcc.com>, r...@spdcc.com (Ron Monteiro) writes:
|> |> In article <23n5pk$d...@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> syl...@CVI.HAHNEMANN.EDU writes:
|> |> >In article <CB7HA...@spdcc.com>, r...@spdcc.com (Ron Monteiro) writes:
|> |> >>Also, "Band of Gold", by Frieda Payne (covered by Belinda Carlisle and
|> |> >>Bonnie Tyler):
|> |> >
|> |> >....and Sylvester!!!!!
|> |> ><sigh> How quickly they forget.
|> |>
|> |> I humbly apologize - I didn't know that Sylvester had covered the song.
|> |> Now I have to find a copy! :>
|>
|> Damn you both. Now, all I can hear in my mind, over and over and over
|> and over and ... is Ms. Payne's version.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Bindy Carlisle's
version. It was special.
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adolphson
> "Please Don't Eat the Daisies".
Of course!
> "Sudden ???"
> I can't remember the entire title -- it was a suspense thriller, her
> character's name was "Kit" [...]
Ohmigod, I forgot "Midnight Lace"!!! It's such
a faaaaabulous movie. Then there's "Julie", too.
--
Arne Adolphson "A lesbian? My dear -- she's the wooden bucket
adol...@mizar.usc.edu itself from _The Well of Loneliness_!"
ar...@ursa-major.spdcc.com -- Dorothy Gish
Mike Reaser
>
>In article <23p5hm$q...@hpscit.sc.hp.com>, m...@atl.hp.com (Mike Reaser) writes:
>|> In article <CB8uz...@spdcc.com>, r...@spdcc.com (Ron Monteiro) writes:
>|> |> In article <23n5pk$d...@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> syl...@CVI.HAHNEMANN.EDU writes:
>|> |> >In article <CB7HA...@spdcc.com>, r...@spdcc.com (Ron Monteiro) writes:
>|> |> >>Also, "Band of Gold", by Frieda Payne (covered by Belinda Carlisle and
>|> |> >>Bonnie Tyler):
>|> |> >
>|> |> >....and Sylvester!!!!!
>|> |> ><sigh> How quickly they forget.
>|> |>
>|> |> I humbly apologize - I didn't know that Sylvester had covered the song.
>|> |> Now I have to find a copy! :>
>|>
>|> Damn you both. Now, all I can hear in my mind, over and over and over
>|> and over and ... is Ms. Payne's version.
>
>I'm surprised no one has mentioned Bindy Carlisle's
>version. It was special.
Uh, Greg, are "Bindy" and "Belinda" one and the same, or is Bindy Carlisle
some singer who simply hasn't "hit" in the southeastern U.S.?
Chris Ambidge
>
> A few weeks ago, while searching through the bin of used
>cassettes at a local record store. I came across Sinead O'Conner's
>latest effor "Am I Not Your Girl?".
> Well, I was listening to it today, and one of the songs she
>covers, "Secret Love", seem to have some underlying queer
>significance:
>
> "Once I had a secret love,
> that lived within the heart of me.
> All too soon, my secret love
> Became impatient to be free.
>
> "So I told a friendly star,
> The way that dreamers often do.
> Just how wonderful you are,
> Why I'm so in love with you.
>
> "Now I shout it from the highest hill,
> even told the golden daffodil.
> At last my hearts an open door,
> and my secret love's no secret anymore."
>
>
>long after the thing was originally penned, but none the less, it
>made me smile a little bit on an otherwise drab day.
published when I was an infant. It was popular in
late 1953/early 1954 and was one of the songs my
parents used to sing to me to get me to go to sleep
-- I don't remember a time, obviously, when I
*didn't* know all the words.
Must've turned me into the faggot I am today!
[throw THAT data into the nature/nurture debate!]
Chris
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Nick Fitch
"Tubeway Army"):
Jo the waiter worked for me
Serving wine in basement bars
Only madmen ever stayed, got no time
If you're mindless, please take mine
Jo the waiter held me close
Behind the door marked "Gentlemen"
Just for now that's all I need
Won't someone call me friend?
Long gone, I recall good times
I must confess I cried.
We burned out and the line went dead
At six o' clock I felt so alone
I crawl inside, where else to go?
I could be dead for all you know.
Every day I died for you
Valium boys with painted eyes
Young men need love special
I don't think I want it at all.
Long gone, I recall good times
I must confess I cried.
Me, I've retired to a back-street flat
Picture eyes in a cold steel frame
The freaks arrive: broken needles and blood
What you on, man, to get those eyes?
It's very touching I'm so close to me
False smiles I've rehearsed for days
Come inside you won't know I'm wrong
Give me your heart, I'm so quickly gone.
Not a very jolly song. But then Gary Numan has done more songs about
antidepressants, tranquillizers, failed affairs and joyless masturbation
than anyone with the possible exception of Marc Almond. Speaking of whom,
I *know* there are some wonderfully depressing motss songs on "Torment and
Torreros". I'll check the lyrics this evening...
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Steven Levine
>
>... Maybe I should throw
>myself a Doris Day Film Festival. Let's see, what should
>I screen? "Love Me or Leave Me", of course. "Pillow
>Talk" and "That Touch of Mink". What else?
Off the top of my head: With Six you Get Eggroll, Where Were
You When the Lights Went Out, the Pajama Game, Romance on the
High Seas (? -- her first film), Moonlight Bay, The West
Point Story, Calamity Jane, The Man Who Knew Too Much...
um, give me a few minutes on this.
--
Steven Levine
ste...@cray.com
adolphson
riz...@FASECON.ECON.NYU.EDU (Emily Rizzo) writes:
> Wasn't she also in "The Man Who Knew Too Much" with Jimmy Stewart? Anyway,
> the one where she sang "Que Sera Sera" and played the mother of a kidnapped
> child --- obviously a departure from her usual roles unless you are a good
> Catholic and have no difficulty with the concept of a virgin birth.
Yes, Doris was in "The Man Who Knew Too Much". She also
sang "Que Sera Sera" in at least one other movie. I can't
remember its title -- something like "Tell It to Jane"?
--
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adol...@mizar.usc.edu long as it encourages people to keep flexible."
ar...@ursa-major.spdcc.com -- Joan Crawford
Greg Parkinson
>In article <CB969...@fig.citib.com>, g...@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>>
>>I'm surprised no one has mentioned Bindy Carlisle's
>>version. It was special.
>Uh, Greg, are "Bindy" and "Belinda" one and the same, or is Bindy Carlisle
>some singer who simply hasn't "hit" in the southeastern U.S.?
Belinda, sorry. From seeing the GoGos before they
learned how to (look like they could) play their
instruments and hearing things like "Look at Bindy,
she can barely stand up".
And look at her now. A ~career and shampoo
commercials, and videos wearing a bra and
cheekbones.
I do like _Circle In The Sand_, though.
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George Dalton Madison
>Mike Reaser writes:
[Re: _Band Of Gold_]
>|> Damn you both. Now, all I can hear in my mind, over and over and over
>|> and over and ... is Ms. Payne's version.
>
>I'm surprised no one has mentioned Bindy Carlisle's
>version. It was special.
I didn't even know she'd done one. The only version I've heard
is Bonnie Tyler's.
Which reminds me of another song from that same album (_Secret
Dreams and Forbidden Fire_ -- HM!!), "If You Were A Woman (And
I Was A Man)".
Not specifically motss-relevant, but the idea of "if you
[heartbreaking male asshole] could stand in my shoes you'd hate
what you saw" sort of thing.
The **VIDEO**, however, was/is just astonishing. Magnificent
production, and the video woven into an interesting external
context. I've never been able to get a copy, so these bits are
from memory:
- Near the opening of the video, a man on the street offends a
woman passing by; she and her friends hold him down and
carefully apply lipstick.
- Near the end of the video, a Rambo-esque type comes crashing
through a window; the crowd on the dance floor all hold up
female symbols, and he twitches, writhes, and in an incredible
SFX sequence, is transformed into a Marilyn Monroe lookalike,
who blows a kiss to Bonnie as they pass each other, which
Bonnie returns.
I would ***LOVE*** to get my hands on a copy of this video;
unfortunately, as you might guess from the description, it is NOT
the kind of thing MTV is likely to play.
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Tim Wilson
"Band of Gold" by Frieda Payne.
I must've missed something. How on earth is "Band of Gold" a queer
song? I've been listening to that song since, what?, the fifth, the
sixth grade, and I've never noticed any motss content other than my
liking it. I must not've been listening closely enough.
Did he leave her at the altar for a guy? What's the story here? I
feel so... so... clueless.
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Internet: t...@ear-ache.mit.edu UUCP: mit-eddie!mit-athena!tim
klekanos,andrew j
> The first mainstream pop song I can remember hearing that I
> instantly knew was "queer-coded" was "I Honestly Love You",
> sung by Olivia Newton-John, which contains the unforgettable
> lines:
>
> And if we both were born in another place and time,
> this evening might be ending with a kiss;
> but there you are with yours and here I am with mine --
> I guess we'll just be leaving it at this.
>
> Anyone know who did write the song? And was he or she
> family?
I think it was written by the late Peter Allen and yes he was
family.
andy K.
KE...@cunyvm.bitnet
that it is "Prove It On Me Blues" and that rings a bell with me.
Below are some liner notes I pulled out which sheds some light on
her sexual preferences:
"The fact that both of these blues giants [Ma Rainey and Bessie Smith] were
bisexual was no doubt connected with the attitude of independence that they
projected. (Rainey's bisexuality brought her a brush with the law around
the time these recordings were made [mid-1920's], according to Chris
Albertson. She was charged by Chicago police with running what was then
referred to as an indecent party with other women. It was her friend
Bessie Smith who bailed her out of jail.)"
From the liner notes for _"Ma" Rainey, The Paramounts, Volume Two_ on
Black Swan records, #HCD 12002, by Chip Deffaa, Jazz/blues critic for
the New York Post. Copyright is 1989.
Jack Carroll
Greg Parkinson
>In previous articles, everyone, their sister and bother, write about
>"Band of Gold" by Frieda Payne.
>I must've missed something. How on earth is "Band of Gold" a queer
>song? I've been listening to that song since, what?, the fifth, the
>sixth grade, and I've never noticed any motss content other than my
>liking it. I must not've been listening closely enough.
>Did he leave her at the altar for a guy? What's the story here? I
>feel so... so... clueless.
He marries her. He either can't get it up or
can't get into it. He leaves, either out of
shame or to find a piece of something he *can*
get into.
Season Marie Taylor
anyway, as i said before, "we are one body' by sophie b. hawkins
"we are one body
we are one spirit
one dream of life and death
one god, one sex"
season, who gets to see Ashley tomorrow :) :) :)
--
Season Marie Taylor __|"sometimes i think you want me to touch you
cz...@gibbs.oit.unc.edu \/|how can i when you build the great wall around you
(yes, it is my real name)|in your eyes i saw a future together
finger thing under repair|you just look away in the distance" --tori amos
Season Marie Taylor
searches for a new hubby for her?
season, who always got Doris Day and Dinah Shore confused as a child (*ducks*)
Jerry Hill
the Bottom of My Garden."
I believe it was written by Noel Coward, and the version I heard was sung
by Bea Lillie.
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NFA
>
> How about "The Queer Song" by Two Nice Girls
> (of "I Spent My Last Ten Dollars on Birth Control and Beer" fame)
>
> I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna be
> Soon you're gonna be fuckin' me
.
.
.
This has almost *got* to be to the tune of 'Not Fade Away', a tune every
Stones fan & Deadhead knows by the first guitar lick.
__
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Ron Monteiro
Since I brought it up initially, I guess I should attempt this one.
I always got the feeling from the song that this guy married this woman
as a cover. They kissed after taking vows, but stayed in separate rooms
on their honeymoon. Then he left her. She wants him to come back "And
love her like he tried before..." She was too naive to realize the truth
(you took me from the shelter of my mother, I have never known or loved
any other)...
Hmmm... a little disjointed, but that's my take on the song...
Ron Monteiro
In article <CB969...@fig.citib.com> g...@fig.citib.com (Greg Parkinson) writes:
>
>|> |> >In article <CB7HA...@spdcc.com>, r...@spdcc.com (Ron Monteiro) writes:
>|> |> >>Also, "Band of Gold", by Frieda Payne (covered by Belinda Carlisle and
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'm surprised no one has mentioned Bindy Carlisle's
>version. It was special.
She also released a single where she sang it in duet with Freida Payne.
Ron
Steven Levine
adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>> As long as we're talking WWII songs, one of the oddest (and
>> campiest) records I own is "You Can't Say No to a Soldier."
>
>I've never heard it. Who do you have singing it? And
>is it from one of the War Department-sponsored drag
>reviews?
My recording is by Joan Merrill (who?), and is the B side
to "There Never Will Be Another You," which was actually
something of a hit. According to the record label (Bluebird
B-11574), both songs are from the 20th Century Fox Film
"Iceland," which is a 1942 Sonja Henie work. I have never
seen it. Have you?
The song is by Mack Gordon and Harry Warren, so it's pedigree
is better than its quality.
--
Steven Levine
ste...@cray.com
Jake Coughlin
>The Smiths/Morrissey, "This Charming Man"
> "Ask"
> "Hairdresser on Fire"
it's easier to find Smiths/Morrissey songs
which _aren't_ queer than to identify all
the queer ones. my absolute favorite is
"stretch out and wait" on "Louder than
Bombs."
off the high-rise estates,
what at the back of your mind?
two icy cold hands, conducting the way
it's the eskimo blood in my veins
with concrete and clay and general decay
nature must still find her way.
so ignore all the codes of the day
let your juvenile impulses sway
this way and that way
god how sex _involves_ you
so let yourself lose yourself
stretch out and wait
stretch out and wait
there is no debate, no debate, no debate
how can you consciously contemplate,
when there's no debate, no debate, no debate?
stretch out and wait
stretch out and wait
let your puny body lie down, lie down
everybody says,
"will the world end in the night time?"
i really don't know.
"will the world end in the day time?"
i really don't know.
"and is there any point ever having children?"
oh, i don't know.
what i _do_ know is that we're here and it's now
so stretch out and wait...
another of my favorites is "cemetery gates" on
"The Queen Is Dead." i'm convinced that
Morrissey is singing about AIDS:
dreaded sunny day so i'll meet you at the cemetery gates
keats and yates are on your side
while wilde is on mine.
so we go inside and we gravely read the stones
all those people, all those lives, where are they now?
with love and hate and passions just like mine,
they were born and then they lived and then they died.
seems so unfair. ohhh, i want to cry!
thrice the sun sung salutations to the moon [ed: something like that]
and you claim these words as your own.
but i've read well, and i've heard them said
a hundred times, maybe less maybe more...
if you _must_ write prose and poems,
the words you use should be your own.
don't plagiarize or take on loan.
there's always _someone_, _somewhere_ with a big nose who knows
and trips you up and laughs when you fall.
he'll trip you up and laugh when you fall.
long dong do [blah...blah]
words which could only be your own
and then produce the text from whence was ripped
some dizzy whore 1800 and 4
dreaded sunny day so i'll meet you at the cemetery gates
keats and yates are on your side
but you lose 'cause i've the love of wilde on mine.
Mary Ballard
>
> A few weeks ago, while searching through the bin of used
> cassettes at a local record store. I came across Sinead O'Conner's
> latest effor "Am I Not Your Girl?".
> Well, I was listening to it today, and one of the songs she
> covers, "Secret Love", seem to have some underlying queer
> significance:
>
> "Once I had a secret love,
> that lived within the heart of me.
> All too soon, my secret love
> Became impatient to be free.
>
> "So I told a friendly star,
> The way that dreamers often do.
> Just how wonderful you are,
> Why I'm so in love with you.
>
> "Now I shout it from the highest hill,
> even told the golden daffodil.
> At last my hearts an open door,
> and my secret love's no secret anymore."
>
>
> OK, so the queer sentiment may be subtle, and it may have come
> long after the thing was originally penned, but none the less, it
> made me smile a little bit on an otherwise drab day.
> What I was wondering is if anyone out there can come up with
> other songs that might have blatent, or latent queer significance or
> sensibility. Post 'em! Maybe I'll compile a list....
>
> --
> Terrance Heath he...@athena.cs.uga.edu
> ******************************************************************
> YOUR COMFORT IS MY SILENCE!!!!! ACT-UP! FIGHT BACK! TALK BACK!
> ******************************************************************
Faith No More (a metal/alternative band whose piano player is an
out, gay man) has one very homoerotic song on their most recent
album "Angel Dust" - sorry I can't remember the song title right
now.
Mary
Steven Levine
>
>Yes, Doris was in "The Man Who Knew Too Much". She also
>sang "Que Sera Sera" in at least one other movie. I can't
>remember its title -- something like "Tell It to Jane"?
It Happened to Jane?
OK, here is the Do Day filmography. How many of these movies
have you seen? (I've seen precious few) How many are
even available, in any form?
Romance on the High Seas (1948) [Occasionally shown on TNT]
My Dream is Yours (1949)
It's a Great Feeling (1949)
Young Man with a Horn (1950) [How could we have forgotten that one?]
Tea for Two (1950) [Billy De Wolfe fans unite!]
The West Point Story (1950) [Was Gene Nelson family?]
Storm Warning (1951) [With Ronald Reagan!]
Lullaby of Broadway (1951) [With that nelly Gene Nelson again.]
On Moonlight Bay (1951) [Rosemary De Camp. Need I say more?]
Starlift (1951) [Was this a science fiction film? G.N. again. Sigh...]
I'll See You In My Dreams (1952) [With Danny Thomas]
The Winning Team (1952) [Again with Ronald Reagan. And "Rusty" Tamblyn.]
April in Paris (1953)
By the Light of the Silvery Moon (1953) [More R. DeCamp. And Billy Gray.]
Calamity Jane (1953) ["Secret Love" wins academy award.]
Lucky Me (1954) [Nancy Walker. Did Ms. Day define camp, or what?]
Young at Heart (1955)
Love Me or Leave Me (1955)
The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956) [Que Sera, Sera wins Academy Award.]
Julie (1956)
The Pajama Game (1957)
Teacher's Pet (1958) [I wanna' take homea a diploma... with Clark Gable.]
Tunnel of Love (1958)
It Happened to Jane (1959)
Pillow Talk (1959) [Doris is nominated for an Academy Award.]
Please Don't Eat the Daisies (1960)
Midnight Lace (1960) [John Gavin, Roddy McDowall]
Lover Come Back (1962) [More Rock and Tony (Randall)].
That Touch of Mink (1962) [With Dick Sargent!]
Billy Rose's JUMBO (1962)
The Thrill of It All (1963) [Zasu Pitts]
Move Over, Darling (1963)
Send Me No Flowers (1964) [Rock and Tony, of course, and Paul Lynde!]
Do Not Disturb (1965)
Glass Bottom Boat (1966) [The return of Paul Lynde.]
Caprice (1968) [Was Ray Walston Family? "Uncle" Martin, indeed.)
Ballad of Josie (1967)
Where Were You When the Lights Went Out? (1967) [Robert Morse, Terry-Thomas]
With Six You Get Eggroll (1968)
All info from _Doris Day, Her Own Story_.
--
Steven Levine
ste...@cray.com
Tim Wilson
used w/o permission
There are some things you can't cover up with lipstick and powder
Thought I heard you mention my name, can't you talk any louder?
Don't come any closer, don't come any nearer
My vision of you can't come any clearer
Oh I just wanna hear girls talk
Got a loaded imagination being fired by girls' talk
It's a more or less situation inspired by girls' talk
But I can't say the words you wanna hear
I suppose you're going to have to pay my dear, right here
And now -- girls talk
And they wanna know how -- girls talk
And they say it's not allowed -- girls talk
If they say that it's so, don't they think that I know by now?
But the word upon everyone's lips stick that you're dedicated
You may not be an old fashioned girl, but you're going to get dated
Was it really murder? Were you just pretending?
Baby I have heard you are the living end -- girls talk
And they wanna know how -- girls talk
And they say it's not allowed -- girls talk
And they think they know how -- girls talk
If they say that it's so, don't they think that I know by now
But I can't say the words you wanna hear,
I suppose you're going to have to play, my dear -- I hear
There are some things you can't cover up with lipstick and powder
Thought I heard you mention my name, can't you talk any louder?
Don't come any closer, don't come any nearer
My vision of you can't come any clearer -- girls talk
And they wanna know how -- girls talk
And they say it's not allowed -- girls talk
And they think they know how -- girls talk
Girls talk, girls talk, girls talk, girls talk
Girls talk, girls talk -- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah -- girls talk
Girls talk, girls talk -- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah -- girls talk
David Fox
wrote:
>
> Hmmmmm. Maybe I should throw
> myself a Doris Day Film Festival. Let's see, what should
> I screen? "Love Me or Leave Me", of course. "Pillow
> Talk" and "That Touch of Mink". What else?
I'm surprised at you! MIDNIGHT LACE of course, and JULIE -- the two best
DD-as-masochist films. And don't forget CAPRICE (her best clothes) and THE
GLASS BOTTOM BOAT (just looking at Rod Taylor trying to squeeze into a
generous pair of swimtrunks makes that worthwile).
David
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David Fox
University of Pennsylvania / College of General Studies
df...@mail.sas.upenn.edu
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Tim Wilson
writes:
This has almost *got* to be to the tune of 'Not Fade Away', a tune
every Stones fan & Deadhead knows by the first guitar lick.
i.e., generic Bo-Diddly riff
David Fox
greatest careers I could imagine, but I haven't seen any listings in job
publications. I hope it's not too late -- anyone know where I can apply?
(And do I get to wear white vinyl go-go boots?)
adolphson
jh...@convex.com (Jerry Hill) writes:
> Why don't you look for some really queer songs like "There are Fairies at
> the Bottom of My Garden."
>
> I believe it was written by Noel Coward, and the version I heard was sung
> by Bea Lillie.
"There Are Fairies at the Bottom of Our Garden" was
written by Liza Lehmann around 1915, and it was the
Lady Peel's theme song. Cathy Berberian recorded a
particularly good version of the song in her Live from
the Edinburgh Festival recital -- a great recital, btw,
which includes gems like "Grandfather's Clock" and
"Father's a Drunkard and Mother Is Dead".
Arne, still not over the thought that the love that
Doris Day shouted from the highest hill might have
been sapphic in nature
Rachel
he...@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
> What I was wondering is if anyone out there can come up with
>other songs that might have blatent, or latent queer significance or
>sensibility. Post 'em! Maybe I'll compile a list....
"Horses" (Patti Smith) graphic male rape scene
"Redondo Beach" ( "" "" ) Ladies' vacation spot marred
by tragic disagreement
"Cocksucker Blues" (Rolling Stones) The ultimate - only half-camp
"When the Whip Comes ( "" "" ) "A gay in York is just a fag
Down" in LA"
"Queen Bitch" (David Bowie) Tries desperately to be Lou Reed
"Winners and Losers" (Iggy Pop) The ending extols the virtues of
hustling old trolls.
Honorable mention:
------------------
Lou Reed - responsible for much of VU's stuff, including "Sister Ray",
as well as classics "Smalltown",
"Walk on the Wild Side", and "Halloween Parade". Also,
check out the bounty on his "Coney Island Baby" CD (1976)
+-- Sylvia --------------------------------------- syl...@cvi.hahnemann.edu --+
"When you're growin' up in a small town, bad eyes, bad skin, gay and fatty,
people look at you funny..." - Lou Reed, 1990
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
BG
>Pet Shop Boys: Being Boring (if you listen closely)
"All the people I was kissing
Some are here and some are missing
In the nineteen nineties.."
I lost it the first time I heard this, thinking of a friend who had
recently passed.
BG
Greg Parkinson
|> "Redondo Beach" ( "" "" ) Ladies' vacation spot marred
|> by tragic disagreement
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I love this. Wonderful.
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The opinions expressed are my own and not those of the big 'ol bank.
adolphson
> In article <23pjc2$7...@mizar.usc.edu>
> adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >Yes, Doris was in "The Man Who Knew Too Much". She also
> >sang "Que Sera Sera" in at least one other movie. I can't
> >remember its title -- something like "Tell It to Jane"?
>
> It Happened to Jane?
Oh yes, "It Happened to Jane".
> OK, here is the Do Day filmography. How many of these movies
> have you seen? (I've seen precious few) How many are
> even available, in any form?
>
> Romance on the High Seas (1948) [Occasionally shown on TNT]
I don't like it very much. Doris hadn't yet
found herself.
> My Dream is Yours (1949)
> It's a Great Feeling (1949)
Haven't seen either of them.
> Young Man with a Horn (1950) [How could we have forgotten that one?]
Oh my. What a flick!
> Tea for Two (1950) [Billy De Wolfe fans unite!]
But he was *such* a bad role model, Steve.
> The West Point Story (1950) [Was Gene Nelson family?]
I've always assumed so. And he's really good in "There's
No Business Like Show Business", a film that features
Ethel Merman in a blonde wig singing "A Pretty Girl Is
Like a Melody" and Ethel and Mitzi Gaynor in sailor drag
singing "A Sailor's Not a Sailor 'Til a Sailor's Been
Tattooed". Anyway, I've never seen "The West Point Story".
> Storm Warning (1951) [With Ronald Reagan!]
Only seen it once, and that was years ago, but I remember
that Doris (or was it Ginger Rogers?) has a miscarriage
in the backseat of a car in it.
> Lullaby of Broadway (1951) [With that nelly Gene Nelson again.]
Shhhhh! Bad role model! Fun flick.
> On Moonlight Bay (1951) [Rosemary De Camp. Need I say more?]
I have vague memories of the film, but I couldn't
tell you anything about it.
> Starlift (1951) [Was this a science fiction film? G.N. again. Sigh...]
> I'll See You In My Dreams (1952) [With Danny Thomas]
> The Winning Team (1952) [Again with Ronald Reagan. And "Rusty" Tamblyn.]
Haven't seen any of them.
> April in Paris (1953)
Nope.
> By the Light of the Silvery Moon (1953) [More R. DeCamp. And Billy Gray.]
Hmmm. Maybe it's this I saw rather than "On Moonlight
Bay"?
> Calamity Jane (1953) ["Secret Love" wins academy award.]
Haven't seen it in years.
> Lucky Me (1954) [Nancy Walker. Did Ms. Day define camp, or what?]
She came pretty damn close. Haven't seen this film.
> Young at Heart (1955)
Enjoyable fluff.
> Love Me or Leave Me (1955)
*Faaaaaabulous* film. Doris gives one of the most
stunning performances ever captured on film. Cagney
is great as her bad-news boyfriend. And the music
is wonderful, given that it's all Ruth Etting stuff
(with the exception of a couple of Sammy Cahn numbers).
Do like the voodoos do
Listening to a voodoo melody
> The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956) [Que Sera, Sera wins Academy Award.]
Not my favorite Doris Day film, but quite enjoyable
nonetheless.
> Julie (1956)
ONE OF THE FUNNIEST, CAMPIEST MOVIES EVER MADE IN
THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE. Newlywed Doris runs
away from her psychotic husband, Louis Jourdan, who
just happens to have murdered her first husband. She
screams a lot. She cries and moans a lot. She looks
concerned and perturbed and terrified a lot. Later,
as a stewardess, she ends up having to land a plane
(with some assist from ground crews) after Louis goes
wacko and shoots the pilot.
SEE IT.
> The Pajama Game (1957)
> Teacher's Pet (1958) [I wanna' take homea a diploma... with Clark Gable.]
Seen both. I especially like "Teacher's Pet".
> Tunnel of Love (1958)
I'm sure I've seen it, but I can't remember anything
about it. Who else is in it?
> It Happened to Jane (1959)
Doris is a feisty small-town gal from Maine who sets
out to ruffle some feathers in the big city. Lots of fun.
> Pillow Talk (1959) [Doris is nominated for an Academy Award.]
And she should have won. Fabulous.
> Please Don't Eat the Daisies (1960)
Wonderful.
> Midnight Lace (1960) [John Gavin, Roddy McDowall]
Doris' reaction each time she answers the phone
is *hilarious*. The final scene, with Doris
scrambling over girders while wearing a slip and
black high heels, is *faaaaabulous*.
> Lover Come Back (1962) [More Rock and Tony (Randall)].
Adore it. There's *loads* of fag stuff going on.
> That Touch of Mink (1962) [With Dick Sargent!]
And Cary Grant! Gig Young, as Grant's shrink,
thinks he might be in love with him. Faaaabulous.
> Billy Rose's JUMBO (1962)
I never liked it very much.
> The Thrill of It All (1963) [Zasu Pitts]
Faboo.
> Move Over, Darling (1963)
I just can't imagine Marilyn Monroe in that part.
> Send Me No Flowers (1964) [Rock and Tony, of course, and Paul Lynde!]
Wonderful.
> Do Not Disturb (1965)
Marvelous.
> Glass Bottom Boat (1966) [The return of Paul Lynde.]
It almost made me want to visit Florida.
> Caprice (1968) [Was Ray Walston Family? "Uncle" Martin, indeed.)
I don't think he is. Doris' costumes in this are
not to be believed.
> Ballad of Josie (1967)
Never a favorite of mine.
> Where Were You When the Lights Went Out? (1967) [Robert Morse, Terry-Thomas]
> With Six You Get Eggroll (1968)
Both are enjoyable, but hardly the kinds of movies
that someone should end a career with.
So how many of her films have I seen? Something like 30?
Sheesh, you'd think I've never done anything but watch
movies.
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Robert Hansen!
>what is that one where her husband thinks he's going to die soon and
>searches for a new hubby for her?
>season, who always got Doris Day and Dinah Shore confused as a child (*ducks*)
In the book "Call Her Miss Ross", the author (I can't for the life of me
remember the author's name) mentions a scene where Berry Gordy Jr. takes the
Supremes to Hollywood for the first time. They go to the Walk of Fame, and
he has them pose around Dinah Shore's star. According to the author, Dinah
Shore and Doris Day were Berry Gordy's two favorite singers.
ROBERT HANSEN - Oregon Health Sciences University - Portland, Oregon USA
- - - -
"...just another face in a red jump suit" - MST3K theme song
Tommy
>Honorable mention:
>------------------
then forgets Pete Townshend!!! AAAARGH!!
"Rough Boys" An absolute peak. Pete maintained for years that this
was just about the young class of '77, the punk rockers
taking the throne from older groups, but even the video
had more to do with pool tables and rough trade in bars
than a musical passing of generations (!).
"And I Moved" Same album. Pete didn't want to record it, as he admitted
in an interview that it sounded like an admission of
"homosexual tendencies". Said he wanted to hear it done
by Bette Midler (!)
"I'm a Boy" Third child, the protagonist, with only two sisters in
the family, deals with a mother that makes him wear
girls' clothes. Less to do with actual sexuality than
someone defining what it means to adopt "masculine"
behaviour, but genius anyway.
+-- Sylvia --------------------------------------- syl...@cvi.hahnemann.edu --+
" I wanna play cricket... ride my bike across the street, cut myself, and
see my blood. I wanna come home covered in mud.
I'm a boy, I'm a boy, though my ma won't admit it." - The Who, 1965
Terrance Heath
One of the songs I remeber from my teenage, coming-out years
is "The Way He Makes Me Fel", sung by Barbra Striesand in Yentl.
Imagine being in the throes of coming out, watching this movie, and
seing a woman, pretending to be a man, singing this song about another
man. It definitely makes my list.
Terrance Heath
>The first mainstream pop song I can remember hearing that I
>instantly knew was "queer-coded" was "I Honestly Love You",
>sung by Olivia Newton-John, which contains the unforgettable
>lines:
>
>And if we both were born in another place and time,
>this evening might be ending with a kiss;
>but there you are with yours and here I am with mine --
>I guess we'll just be leaving it at this.
>
Jezus! I'd never even thunk it! I used to sing along with
this one everytime it came on the radio (Back when 'Livie and I had
the same range. Great!
Hmmm. I'm gonna hafta work on compiling a list. Will post when
done. Keep them titles comin!
Terrance Heath
In article <23oc1n$8...@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> h...@thetemple.East.Sun.COM writes:
>Another favorite. By, now hold your breath, Barry Manilow!
>
>All the time I thought
>There's only me
>Crazy in a way
>That no one else could be
>
>If I had known that you were somewhere too
>Thinking all the time
>There's only you
>
>All the time I thought
>That I was wrong
>Wanting to be me
>But needing to belong
>
>Some other refrain like above
>
>All the time
>All the wasted time
>All the years
>Waiting for a sign
>To think I had it all
>All the time...
>
This is another blast from the past for me.
Ron Monteiro
>
>He marries her. He either can't get it up or
>can't get into it. He leaves, either out of
>shame or to find a piece of something he *can*
>get into.
>
Geez, I wish I could have explained it so well... :->
Ron
Jack Hamilton
>I just ran to the music library to look it up. "My Buddy",
>with words by Gus Kahn and music by Walter Donaldson, bears
>a 1922 copyright. The lyrics, while I'm at it, are quite
>simple:
>
> Nights are long since you went away,
> I think about you all through the day;
> My buddy, my buddy,
> No buddy quite so true.
>
> Miss your voice, the touch of your hand,
> Just long to know that you understand;
> My buddy, my buddy,
> Your buddy misses you.
>
>Homoerotic?
The San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus used to sing it.
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Daniel Bidwa
The only queer-related song I can think of (and it's more about AIDS than
queers) is "Isolation is the Best Protection", by the Folk Devils:
"I just left the republic of my dreams
A drug culture with no known vaccine
[can't remember this line]
Stop shaking your head, what did you expect?"
The chorus is, not surprisingly, "Isolation is the best protection", with
another oft-repeated line being "Behind closed doors again". I've heard the
song a whole bunch of times, and I still can't decide exactly what their point
is (or at least what their angle is; their point's pretty clear). It's been a
while since I've heard it (and I had a hell of a time remembering what the
name of the group is; embarrassing, considering that I have a couple of their
singles and like "Isolation" so much). They are/were an English group
(I think), and part of the whole Ron Johnson sound crowd (along with folks
like Big Flame and Death By Milkfloat -- people more in the known re: Brit
punk pop feel free to correct me). Kind of like early That Petrol Emotion,
only more warped.
It's kind of annoying that I can't think of any other songs, especially since
I find most gay-approved music to be rather dull. (Doris Day's cool, tho.) I
guess most of the bands that have/had queer members either use that queerness
to fuel their warped-ness (the Electric Eels come to mind; I'm sure there's
others), or don't consider it enough of an issue to sing about. Or aren't
public about it at all, which is kind of unfortunate -- I hate to be
represented in the music world by lousy bands like Faith No More or Pansy
Division.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
dbi...@sei.cmu.edu what we do is secret
Terry McConnell
Erasure: "Hideaway" (from "The Innocents")
Chorus - "Don't be afraid; Love will mend your broken wings; time slips
away; learn to by gay"
New Order: "1963" (from ?)
(You may want to check the lyrics to this one on a lyrics server, they
are somewhat bizzare ... but most of my friends say I'm right, it's a
gay song)
The Kinks: Lola
Lo Lo Lo lo lo Lola!
Alphaville: "Romeos" (from "The Breathtaking Blue")
"Jet Set" (from "Forever Young")
Actually, "Jet Set" only eludes to tricks ... "If she's a liar, I'm
her lover; If she's a priestess, I'm her cover; If she's a lady, I'm a
man; If she's a man, I'll do what I can!"
I'm sure I could think of tons more ... Marc Almond comes to mind (but no
specifc song...).
Terry
Steven Levine
adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> Tunnel of Love (1958)
I'm sure I've seen it, but I can't remember anything
about it. Who else is in it?
Richard Widmark, Gig Young, Elisabeth Fraser, Gia Scala,
and Elizabeth Wilson. It was directed by Gene Kelly. (Gig
Young was also in Young at Heart, Teacher's Pet, and That Touch
of Mink).
The Doris biography ends with some fashion and beauty tips,
in Doris's own words. This is where we discover the
origin of her support for gay rights:
There are such prejudices about clothes, almost none
of them are valid. Like the prejudice against
gray -- that it's an old lady color -- but it
isn't, it's beautiful. Two of my favoarite combinations
are gray-and-white and gray-and-Camel. I have greys
in dresses, pants, coats, jackets, and pants suits. I just
love going against most prejudices.
The thing is, she means it.
-Steven Levine
ste...@cray.com
Janis
dbi...@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa) writes:
>It's kind of annoying that I can't think of any other songs, especially since
>I find most gay-approved music to be rather dull. (Doris Day's cool, tho.) I
>guess most of the bands that have/had queer members either use that queerness
>to fuel their warped-ness (the Electric Eels come to mind; I'm sure there's
>others), or don't consider it enough of an issue to sing about. Or aren't
>public about it at all, which is kind of unfortunate -- I hate to be
>represented in the music world by lousy bands like Faith No More or Pansy
>Division.
Well, the list of modern musical artists with some sophisticated level of
glob sensibility represents a pretty wide range, if you've been following this
thread.
However, not every artist feels the need to build their *whole* artistic
life around their sexuality.... uh, oh.
Would it be *absolutely evil* at this point to start
a: "Homomusicality: Genetically Determined?" thread?
We could discuss acts who are "professionally" queer, acts whose work
just happens to have queer content, acts that don't feel the need
to have it be the first thing you notice about them...
+-- Sylvia --------------------------------------- syl...@cvi.hahnemann.edu --+
"This video's got bikini girls. And machine guns. Heh. Heh Heh Heh." - Beavis
TDO
> Another favorite. By, now hold your breath, Barry Manilow!
Perhaps I oughtn't to admit this, but I actually know this song, and
you've missed a couple of (imho) significant lines:
> All the time I thought
> There's only me
> Crazy in a way
> That no one else could be
I would have given everything I owned
If someone would have said,
"You're not alone."
> All the time I thought
> That I was wrong
> Wanting to be me
> But needing to belong
If I'd have just believed in all I had,
If someone would have said,
"You're not so bad."
> All the time
> All the wasted time
> All the years
> Waiting for a sign
> To think I had it all
> All the time...
All the time I thought
There's only me
Crazy in a way
That no one else could be
I can't believe that you were somewhere too
Thinking all the time there's only you...
(repeat chorus)
TDO, former Barry Manilow fan (I'm much better now! :-)
--
These opinions belong to tdo...@llnl.gov (and probably no one else!)
"People don't like what they don't understand. People don't know that the
trick is to try to understand what they don't like."--Emma Bull and Will
Shetterly, "Danceland", _Bordertown_
adolphson
ste...@cray.com (Steven Levine) writes about "You Can't
Say No to a Soldier":
> My recording is by Joan Merrill (who?), and is the B side
> to "There Never Will Be Another You," which was actually
> something of a hit. According to the record label (Bluebird
> B-11574), both songs are from the 20th Century Fox Film
> "Iceland," which is a 1942 Sonja Henie work. I have never
> seen it. Have you?
I've never heard of Joan Merrill. And I know I'll
probably get nasty mail from the Norwegian Embassy,
but I've never seen a Sonja Henie movie. I *have*
seen "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves Meet the Three
Stooges", though, and that had lots of dramatic
ice skating.
> The song is by Mack Gordon and Harry Warren, so it's pedigree
> is better than its quality.
Why hasn't anyone recorded an entire album of their
songs? There's a lot of really good material.
--
Arne Adolphson "When you try on a new hat, look your best,
adol...@mizar.usc.edu wear street makeup, and wear earrings."
ar...@ursa-major.spdcc.com -- Joan Crawford
adolphson
df...@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David Fox) writes:
> Re: CAPRICE: DD was a cosmetics spy.
Do you remember the name of the product that figures
so prominently in the film? I've been trying to think
of it all day.
> I still think this is one of the
> greatest careers I could imagine, but I haven't seen any listings in job
> publications. I hope it's not too late -- anyone know where I can apply?
Let me know, too!
> (And do I get to wear white vinyl go-go boots?)
Only when you've got white lipstick on.
Scott Wells
schw...@icd.teradyne.com writes:
>For at least one generation of gay men, the unofficial gay anthem was "We Kiss
>in the Shadows" from "The King & I," sung by the concubine Tuptim
(played by Rita Moreno!) and her boyfriend. Lyrics include:
>
> "Alone in our secret, together we sigh
> For one smiling day to be free
> To kiss in the sunlight and say to the sky,
> 'Behold and believe what you see --
> Behold how my lover loves me.' "
>
I must be in that generation, even though I'm twenty-four. I usually
sing it in duet with Barbra S., off the _Broadway Albumn_
In fact, that who medley is rather queer.
(Hi, T.)
--
Scott Wells + Athens, Georgia + U. of Georgia + we...@athena.cs.uga.edu
"Give them, not Hell, but hope and courage. Do not push them deeper
into their theological dispair, but preach the kindness and
everlasting love of God." -- Universalist preacher John Murray, 1770
Terrance Heath
Hot & Blue" came out, and how some of those Cole Porter songs took on
a new significance when sung in the context of the AIDS epidemic, like
Annie Lenox's version of "Everytime We Say Goodbye"? Well, there's
another song on Sinead O'Conner's new ablum that seems to have that
same kind of significance, its "Gloomy Sunday". I don't have the
lyrics handy, tho'. If anyone does, feel free to post 'em.
boy brent
>>Don't forget Tom Robinson: "Proud to be Gay", "Cabin Boy", many others.
>Actually, the title is "Glad to Be Gay"....
>Tom Robinson is one of the great unknowns (in this country, anyway).
The first time i heard this song, on _The Secret Policemen's
Ball_ if i remember correctly, must have been about '81 or so.
i had just barely put 2 and 2 together and figured out i was
queer, and i was staying with my hated brother one summer when
that song came on --
"You don't have to be gay to sing this song -- but it helps"
Sing if you're glad to be gay
Sing if you're happy that way
Time has erased the rest of the lyrics from my mind, but i remember
the song had kind of a bitter overtone to it.
Actually i'm amazed that no one in this thread has mentioned some
songs i thought were really obvious -- like "Lola" by The Kinks --
Now I'd left home just the day before
And I'd never ever kissed a woman before
She picked me up, took me by my hand
And said, "little boy, I'm going to make you a man"
Now I'm not the world's most passionate man
But I know what I am, and what I am is a man
And so is Lola
L-O-L-A Lola...
--
boy brent (B4) htw[csegk]++ | [When asked by Alexander if he wanted
bca...@agora.rain.com (gay stuff) | anything:] Stand a little out of my sun.
bca...@atlas.com (telecom stuff) | -- Diogenes
Daniel Bidwa
>It's kind of annoying that I can't think of any other songs, especially since
>I find most gay-approved music to be rather dull. (Doris Day's cool, tho.) I
>guess most of the bands that have/had queer members either use that queerness
>to fuel their warped-ness (the Electric Eels come to mind; I'm sure there's
>others), or don't consider it enough of an issue to sing about. Or aren't
>public about it at all, which is kind of unfortunate -- I hate to be
>represented in the music world by lousy bands like Faith No More or Pansy
>Division.
syl...@CVI.HAHNEMANN.EDU (Janis):
|>Well, the list of modern musical artists with some sophisticated level of
|>glob sensibility represents a pretty wide range, if you've been following
|>this thread.
|>
|>However, not every artist feels the need to build their *whole* artistic
|>life around their sexuality.... uh, oh.
Offhand, I can't think of anyone who's built a career around hir sexuality
(unless you want to consider someone like Madonna, but I think that's more an
example of building on sexuality in general, without much personal connection;
Madonnaphiles, prepare your weapons), but I suspect that has a lot to do with
me and the artists I listen to. Brandon Whatshisname from World of Pooh may be
a big ol' fag, but that's not too apparent from their music (probably because
Barbara Manning wrote a lot of it, but maybe not). Anyway, they broke up, so
what difference does it make. Cecil Taylor's never done an expressly gay song
(that I know of -- Bill?).
If I was going to pontificate and theorize about this, I'd say that the
phenomena of acknowledged glbo artists doing material that has nothing
explicitly glbo in it is a sign of their acceptance of their glbo-ness. On the
other hand, I'd also say that phenomena is a sign of their lack of acceptance
of their glbo-ness, and their unwillingness to be publicly glbo. So I'm not
going to pontificate and theorize.
Oh yeah, another song: The Fibonaccis, "I've Had It With Girls":
"Now that you're gone, it's a [blanky blank] world.
Now that you're gone, I've had it with girls.
I've had it with girls.
I've had it with girls..."
Marc Almond
he...@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:
> This may be stretching things a bit, but remember when "Red
>Hot & Blue" came out, and how some of those Cole Porter songs took on
>a new significance when sung in the context of the AIDS epidemic, like
>Annie Lenox's version of "Everytime We Say Goodbye"?
How about Johnny Cash's "Man in Black", redone by Marc Almond
on the "'til things are brighter.." compilation???
William Hsu
> It's kind of annoying that I can't think of any other songs,
> especially since I find most gay-approved music to be rather dull.
> (Doris Day's cool, tho.) I guess most of the bands that have/had
> queer members either use that queerness to fuel their warped-ness
> (the Electric Eels come to mind; I'm sure there's
> others), or don't consider it enough of an issue to sing about.
> Or aren't public about it at all, which is kind of unfortunate --
> I hate to be represented in the music world by lousy bands like Faith
> No More or Pansy Division.
I agree with Dan (ok, so we agree a lot), except I can come up
with a few more bands that we can be Proud of :-) :-). (Dan knows
all these bands, but I just happen to have a better memory on
Thursday afternoons, must be the cooling effect of the San
Francisco fog after the sweltering Dore Alley fair last weekend,
where a netter or two had a great time, but I digress :-)).
I was going to post a bunch of Queer New Music but kept getting
sidetracked (ok, so I'm lazy). It would have been more complaints
and certain records would be shown as examples of why it might
be difficult to make clear queer statements in music (for example,
Chris Cochrane/No Safety and Bob Ostertag's Burns like Fire
because of their obscurity, and the uneven David Wojnarowicz/
Ben Neill CD because of some very weak musical sections).
But then there's NY-based God is My Co-pilot, whose recent CD
Speed Yr. Trip is a masterpiece drawing from No Wave, art funk
and free improvisation, plus some feisty bitter lesbian
relationship lyrics worthy of the wonderful Rebecca Brown.
God is My Co-pilot has recorded a new CD which will be out on
SF's Outpunk label (home of Tribe 8 and Pansy Division; it's
all recorded and in production, according to Matt of Outpunk
when I spoke to him at the Dore Alley fair).
God is My Co-pilot has several queer members, according to
an interview in Outpunk #2 (that's the zine).
There's also Tuxedomoon, long defunct, another fine band
with several openly queer songs. Good videos too.
Bill
john whiteside
> didn't we already do this?
>
> anyway, as i said before, "we are one body' by sophie b. hawkins
>
Not to mention "Damn I Wish I Was Your Lover"
Mod Bob
> syl...@CVI.HAHNEMANN.EDU (Janis):
> |>Well, the list of modern musical artists with some sophisticated level of
> |>glob sensibility represents a pretty wide range, if you've been following
> |>this thread.
> |>
> |>However, not every artist feels the need to build their *whole* artistic
> |>life around their sexuality.... uh, oh.
>
> Offhand, I can't think of anyone who's built a career around hir sexuality
> (unless you want to consider someone like Madonna, but I think that's more an
> example of building on sexuality in general, without much personal connection;
> Madonnaphiles, prepare your weapons), but I suspect that has a lot to do with
> me and the artists I listen to.
How about Jimmy Sommerville? Much of his work with Bronski Beat was
overtly
queer (Small Town Boy, etc.) with Bronski Beat carrying on in that vein
after his departure--"Hit that perfect beat, boy!" His solo stuff (I think
the album is eponymous, and features a killer cover of Sylvester's "You
Make
Me Feel (Mighty Real)", IMHO better, if less historically significant, than
the original) is unapologetically OUT as well. And quite good, I might
add.
Add to that the album from Paul Lekakis (the "Boom, boom, boom, let's go
back to my room" boy), all of which can be read as WAY queer. That album
is pretty good as well (especially for those of you into aerobic
floorwork),
and titled "Tattoo It". "Boom Boom" is easily the lamest (and last) cut on
it. Advocate ran an article about this boy a few years back that covered
how that song came about, but I prefer Doogie's Lekakis story.
Bob, crazy about the boys
Forrest T Stevens
>How about Jimmy Sommerville? Much of his work with Bronski Beat was
>overtly
>queer (Small Town Boy, etc.) with Bronski Beat carrying on in that vein
>after his departure--"Hit that perfect beat, boy!"
You should go see Sally Potter's _Orlando_: Sommerville sings throughout
the movie. BTW, _Orlando_ is fabulous; don't believe the bad reviews. It's
really quite rich. Tilda Swanson is an eerie, edible Orlando . . .
Sadly, the end of the film mars the whole, but otherwise its an understated,
humorous romp.
-tyler
--
----tyler stevens --------------"I'm all agog for an outing.-----------
the johns hopkins university let's go see something queer."
ty...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu - Charles Dickens to Mark Lemon, 1854
William Hsu
> Cecil Taylor's never done an expressly gay song
> (that I know of -- Bill?).
Actually there is only one clear instance that I know of,
(and I have access to some of the best Cecil Taylor collections
in the country). This is a spoken-word piece, not available
anywhere else, performed on the Columbia University radio
station (WKCR?) on one of their Cecil Taylor birthday
celebrations. There are some vague references to romping in
the sun in the Greek Isles or somewhere, then suddenly he
switches to a few lines about fucking boys.
There's another spoken word piece on the Chinampas record
that mentions his "outing" by Stanley Crouch, but I've never
been able to find the reference.
Otherwise, Cecil Taylor has been very reticent about his
sexuality (tho I'm told he brings young cute boys to concerts
he attends in NYC). As far as I know, there aren't even any
references to it in the titles of any of his instrumental
pieces.
On the other hand, Swiss pianist Irene Schweizer who is
often compared to Taylor, is very open about being a lesbian.
I'm not sure how you make open queer statements playing the
piano :-), but one of her pieces is titled "Dykes on bikes".
Bill