BOYCOTT BUDWEISER!!!
lac...@webtv.net
LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
expect to be terminated.
Anheuser Busch Inc. argues in court papers that an EMPLOYEE FIRED BECAUSE
HE IS GAY, HAS NO RIGHT TO BRING A LAWSUIT for wrongful termination.
Budweiser states, in court documents: BEING GAY IS A "FREE CHOICE" AND
NOT A CIVIL RIGHT" protected from discrimination in the workplace in the
state of California. [If that's their attitude, then belonging to a
particular religion SHOULD NOT be a protected right, because most people
choose their religion, plus many people "change" their religion
everyday.]
According to testimony from Human Resources Manager, Bob Warner,,
Anheuser Busch Inc.'s internal investigation confirmed that
ANHEUSER-BUSCH EMPLOYEE'S "USE THE TERM 'F@G' or 'F-GG-T' IN A SHOP TALK
MANNER" at the Los Angeles Brewery.
Manager Bruce Borst testified at his desposition he heard the word f-g
used at Anheuser-Busch AT LEAST 100 TIMES in his presence.
Manager Zane Pickney testified at his desposition that "f-g" could be
used in fashion that is not derogatory towards anyone, and proceed to
highlight some acceptable uses of the word.
Human Resources Manager Bob Warner testified at his desposition that NO
EMPLOYEE HAS EVER BEEN DISCIPLINED AT THE ANHEUSER-BUSCH WORKPLACE FOR
USING INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE TO REFER TO GAY'S & LESBIANS.
Anheuser-Busch Inc. is fighting to stop a sexual orientation case against
it from going foward to trial. It has appealed to higher courts to
prevent this case from being heard.
It's amazing how Budweiser can treat us like this after all the years
that we in the Gay community have purchased and drank their stuff in
bars, dance clubs, and in our homes.
GAY BARS SHALL BE BUDWEISER FREE!!!!
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Yeah, it's shitty beer.
John Hein
Please do not confuse Budweiser Budvar with the tasteless USAnian
concoction which should be boycotted for reasons of good taste let alone
any politics!
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lac...@webtv.net
LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
expect to be terminated.
Anheuser Busch Inc. argues in court papers that an EMPLOYEE FIRED BECAUSE
HE IS GAY, HAS NO RIGHT TO BRING A LAWSUIT for wrongful termination.
Budweiser states, in court documents: BEING GAY IS A "FREE CHOICE" AND
NOT A CIVIL RIGHT" protected from discrimination in the workplace in the
state of California. [If that's their attitude, then belonging to a
particular religion SHOULD NOT be a protected right, because most people
choose their religion, plus many people "change" their religion
everyday.]
According to testimony from Human Resources Manager, Bob Warner, Anheuser
Mike Silverman
> Budweiser states, in court documents: BEING GAY IS A "FREE CHOICE" AND
> NOT A CIVIL RIGHT" protected from discrimination in the workplace in the
> state of California.
The interesting thing is that the State of Califnornia has a law on the
books that makes it illegal to be discriminated against in employment due
to sexual orientation.
Assuming what you posted is true, I'd say that Budweiser needs to find a
better lawyer, at least one who actually knows the law in the state he is
practicing in.
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Nicholas Santoro
lac...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
>
> DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
>
> If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
> expect to be terminated.
Filthy GAY DEMON Verbage terminated.
WHO CARES you should be terminated...stay the fuck in the closet you
faggot.
also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist boycot is killing their
buisness..\
to hell with you fags thats where you are going
L. Michael Roberts
Killing their business??? I guess you did not read the post about how
Disney's profits are up [again] this quarter.... or that many Southern
Baptisis are not supporting the boycott... and even preaching against
it!
+====================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
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If you PHAGGS had your way you would have "Jack Shacks" and "Blow
Rooms" all over disney land. It would not surprise me one bit to see you
faggots at disney trying to pick up little boys.
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lac...@webtv.net
In article <cubsfan-ya0240800...@207.126.101.83>,
cub...@cjnetworks.com (Mike Silverman) wrote:
> Assuming what you posted is true,
I got this source of Info from the November 18th New York Village Voice.
> I'd say that Budweiser needs to find a better > lawyer, at least one who actually knows the
> law in the state he is practicing in.
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lac...@webtv.net
In article <3478FD...@tci.net>,
wise...@tci.net wrote:
> Filthy GAY DEMON Verbage terminated.
> WHO CARES you should be terminated...stay the > fuck in the closet you faggot.
> also DISNEY is now crying because the Baptist > boycot is killing their buisness..\ to hell
> with you fags thats where you are going
Oh, now you're becoming hostile and Unchristianlike, and I didn't even
post this article in the Christian newsgroups (or any other non-Gay
newsgroup).
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Nicholas Santoro <wise...@tci.net> writes:
> [...] ..stay the fuck in the closet you
> faggot.
Nicky baby, you followed up to something appearing only in 3
obviously gay newsgroups. What are you doing there?
Victor.
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Brandon Burt (Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu) wrote:
: The only bad thing about going to Disneyland used to be having to look at
: the gross redneck Baptists with their unwashed children who used to hang out
: there ... now even that problem has been removed! Keep it up! Maybe next we
: can get them to stop going to the movies!
How many putdowns can you shove into one sentence? Most of my relatives on
my mother's side are rednecks of one sort or another, i.e., they're white,
not well-educated, working class, and have thick Southern accents. Which,
aside from the accent, is a perfectly apt description of my partner
Jeremy's relatives, 99 % of whom live in Utah. Ditto, the Southern
Baptists are the largest Protestant denomination in the United States;
there are plenty of well-educated, well-groomed, well-spoken, liberal
minded Southern Baptists, including former President Jimmy Carter.
Exchanging one form of bigotry for another is NOT a pleasant sight.
rpj
Kelly Holmes
Richard Jasper wrote:
> Exchanging one form of bigotry for another is NOT a pleasant sight.
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Brandon Burt wrote:
>
> Kelly Holmes wrote in message <347B6A...@natinst.com>...
> >>Richard Jasper wrote:
> >>
> >>> Exchanging one form of bigotry for another is NOT a pleasant sight.
> >>
> >>My thoughts Exactly, Richard.
>
> intolerance? I don't mind saying, every time I see some wacko bigot spewing
> anti-gay hatred it sickens me. I wouldn't want my children around people
> like that. If people can't play nice, they don't belong in society.
>
> -Brandon Burt
Yes---where are these Kellys and Jaspers when the Xtians and OTHER
Hatemongers post THEIR billets-doux? Perhaps they are one in the same??
RevOink
Pround To Be Politically Incorrect!
Kelly Holmes
Brandon Burt wrote:
> Brandon Burt wrote:
> >The only bad thing about going to Disneyland used to be having to look at
> >the gross redneck Baptists with their unwashed children who used to hang out
> >there ... now even that problem has been removed! Keep it up! Maybe next we
> >can get them to stop going to the movies!
>
> intolerance? I don't mind saying, every time I see some wacko bigot spewing
> anti-gay hatred it sickens me. I wouldn't want my children around people
> like that. If people can't play nice, they don't belong in society.
Well, there's nothing wrong with being sickened by intolerance. I am,
too. However, I try to stay away from making broad generalizations about
a certain group of people.
You are sickened by 'having to look at gross redneck Baptists with their
unwashed children who used to hang out there'? Not all Baptists are
rednecks. And not all Baptists support the Disney boycott. In fact, I
have met tons of Baptists that are tolerant of gays.
Apuleius
lib...@curly.cc.emory.edu (Richard Jasper) wrote to
alt.journalism.gay-press,soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality and
alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Jeremy's relatives, 99 % of whom live in Utah. Ditto, the Southern
== Baptists are the largest Protestant denomination in the United States;
== there are plenty of well-educated, well-groomed, well-spoken, liberal
== minded Southern Baptists, including former President Jimmy Carter.
And Bill clinton doesn't qualify?
Oops, somebody should cut soc.motss out of the newsgroups of this
message. There's some frustrated queen there, probably in the initial
stages of AIDS dementia, who sends wacko complaints off about anybody
who cross posts (I think that's what his gripe is, but who knows, his
message had so much garbage and so many routing headers attached to it
that I never did get to understand what he was griping about. All I
saw was "FAQ").
==
== Exchanging one form of bigotry for another is NOT a pleasant sight.
==
== rpj
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That's all, folks.
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Richard Jasper
Apuleius (alg...@Somnifest.uwm.edu) wrote:
: lib...@curly.cc.emory.edu (Richard Jasper) wrote to
: alt.journalism.gay-press,soc.motss,alt.politics.homosexuality and
: alt.politics.homosexuality:
:
My deepest apologies...
: And Bill clinton doesn't qualify?
Hard to say, don't you think? Well-groomed? Liberal-minded?
Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)
On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:33:05 -0600, lac...@webtv.net screeched:
>
>
>LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
>
>DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
>
>If you come out as being Gay while working for Anheuser-Busch, Inc.,
>expect to be terminated.
>
>Anheuser Busch Inc. argues in court papers that an EMPLOYEE FIRED BECAUSE
>HE IS GAY, HAS NO RIGHT TO BRING A LAWSUIT for wrongful termination.
>
>Budweiser states, in court documents: BEING GAY IS A "FREE CHOICE" AND
>NOT A CIVIL RIGHT" protected from discrimination in the workplace in the
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I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
A proud member of the dreaded Religious Right, who enjoys
nothing more than beating up on those of the dreaded
Anti-Religious Left.
If it ain't right, it's wrong.
Liberals - a dying breed.
frank w elliott jr
Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree) (NOSPAMre...@ibm.net) wrote:
: On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:33:05 -0600, lac...@webtv.net screeched:
:
:
:
:
: >
: >
: >LISTEN UP GAY BARTENDERS and BAR/CLUB OWNERS!!
: >
: >DON'T ORDER BUDWEISER!!! DON'T SERVE BUDWEISER!!
: I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
: its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
It worked Laconia! We're making the fundies drink even more of
that worse-than-piss beer!
Kelly Holmes
Brandon Burt wrote:
>
> Think about it a little longer and figure out who the real enemies of freedom
> are.
I guess I look at the whole issue a little differently than you, then. I
don't see those who are intolerant as "enemies"...I see them as simply
"unenlightened." Maybe if we approached such people with a little more
tolerance on OUR part, they would reciprocate.
Kelly
George M. Carter
NOSPAMre...@ibm.net (Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
>I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
>its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
Go right ahead! Mainline it, too, while you're at it.
Clearly, it is just horrid that the "radical homosexual lobby" is
trying to help protect people from being fired just because the boss
is a homophobic shithead like you. Dreadful and stunningly radical
idea, eh, protecting somebody's job.
George M. Carter
Ward Stewart
Kelly Holmes <kelly....@natinst.com> wrote:
>~Brandon Burt wrote:
>~>
>~> Think about it a little longer and figure out >~>who the real enemies of freedom are.
>~I guess I look at the whole issue a little differently than you, then. I
>~don't see those who are intolerant as "enemies"...I see them as simply
>~"unenlightened." Maybe if we approached such people with a little more
>~tolerance on OUR part, they would reciprocate.
>~Kelly
>
Aloha Kelly --
That is very fine and wide but you are ignoring the source of the
hatred -- NOT coming from the Gay side of this discussion -- after all
WE are, almiost without exeption the children of hets, raised in het
households and (again with a few sad exceptions) loved and were loved
by those parents and siblings.
Pat Robertson, the man who, in this country, has appointed himself
head of what you refer to as the "unenlightened" has publically called
for the death penalty for the abominable crime of irregular love.
This may well be simply a rhetorical, fund raising, flourish. HOWEVER
it is what he says and many of his followers are taking it quite
literally!
I cannot consider that he and his and the Phelps Klan are anything but
my enemies! They lannounce publically that I am something less than
human and something less than a citizen as therefore have no
entitlement to civil-rights or human-rights. If this is not the
speech of an enemy I am sure that I don't know what is.
ward
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Ward and George
41 years together,
yet strangers before
the law.
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Magenta
Victor Eijkhout <eijk...@jacobi.math.ucla.edu> doth speak:
>Nicholas Santoro <wise...@tci.net> writes:
>> [...] ..stay the fuck in the closet you
>> faggot.
>Nicky baby, you followed up to something appearing only in 3
>obviously gay newsgroups. What are you doing there?
Because he's in the closet, and he's lonely and wants us to join him.
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Magenta
gm...@ix.netcom.com (George M. Carter) doth speak:
>NOSPAMre...@ibm.net (Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
>
>>I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
>>its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
>
>Go right ahead! Mainline it, too, while you're at it.
He must be already- it would explain his posts.
Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:52:11 GMT, gm...@ix.netcom.com (George M.
Carter) proclaimed:
>NOSPAMre...@ibm.net (Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
>
>>I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
>>its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
>
>Go right ahead! Mainline it, too, while you're at it.
>
>Clearly, it is just horrid that the "radical homosexual lobby" is
>trying to help protect people from being fired just because the boss
>is a homophobic shithead like you. Dreadful and stunningly radical
>idea, eh, protecting somebody's job.
>
> George M. Carter
>
>
George, the issue isn't whether firing someone because they're
homosexual is wrong. It is wrong. Ultimately, it's stupid business,
as well. Any person that limits his hiring practices from a
particular group, is limiting the quality of his workforce.
The issue is, what do we do about it?
Do we all want to look to the government more and more as the ultimate
arbiter of fairness? No. Personally, I'll take my risks that I'll be
fired because I'm tall, ugly, or whatever, than have Big Brother with
his hand further in my life.
George M. Carter
>>Clearly, it is just horrid that the "radical homosexual lobby" is
>>trying to help protect people from being fired just because the boss
>>is a homophobic shithead like you. Dreadful and stunningly radical
>>idea, eh, protecting somebody's job.
>>
>> George M. Carter
>George, the issue isn't whether firing someone because they're
>homosexual is wrong.
The hell it's not.
>It is wrong. Ultimately, it's stupid business,
>as well. Any person that limits his hiring practices from a
>particular group, is limiting the quality of his workforce.
Duh, right.
>The issue is, what do we do about it?
You are not among the "we" as far as I'm concerned, dear.
>Do we all want to look to the government more and more as the ultimate
>arbiter of fairness? No. Personally, I'll take my risks that I'll be
>fired because I'm tall, ugly, or whatever, than have Big Brother with
>his hand further in my life.
A boycott is not looking to the government. However, looking to the
government to protect people's rights IS appropriate. If you want a
government that does not take care of its roads, bridges, people and
so forth then go away. That's what makes this the United States. Are
you a communist??
George M. Carter
Javier Rocabado
Hello I will be going to Atlanta in a couple weeks, I would appreciate
any info regarding
sex clubs and african american discos.
Thanks
Javier
Melinda Shore
In article <3482F7CC...@lmato.com>,
Javier Rocabado <jav...@lmato.com> wrote:
>Hello I will be going to Atlanta in a couple weeks, I would appreciate
>any info regarding
>sex clubs and african american discos.
Don't bring poppers!
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Daniel Chase Edmonds
Javier Rocabado (jav...@lmato.com) wrote:
: Hello I will be going to Atlanta in a couple weeks, I would appreciate
: any info regarding
: sex clubs and african american discos.
For the latter, on word: Loretta's.
OinK! ~(^@^)~
> >Hello I will be going to Atlanta in a couple weeks, I would appreciate
> >any info regarding
> >sex clubs and african american discos.
>
> --
> Melinda Shore sh...@nr-atp.cit.cornell.edu
> If you send me harassing email, I'll probably post it
Please stop crossposting this to alt.politics.homosexuality
M
Alex Elliott
: >NOSPAMre...@ibm.net (Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
: >
: >>I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
: >>its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
Before you do this, I thought you should know that Bud Light has a
full-page advertisement in the Advocate magazine with the text:
"Another one coming out. Be yourself and make it a Bud Light."
Budweiser and Anheiser-Busch not only advertise in gay publications,
but they have also been known to sponsor gay events.
Now, which of us should be boycotting and which of us should be
supporting Bud?
Personally, I boycott Budweiser because of their policy of
manufacturing anemic, sour-tasting swill and attempting to pass
it off as beer. Nothing but pretentious micro-brews for me.
Alex.
>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<
Alex Elliott
Yale University Physics Department
New Haven, CT, USA
email: ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
WWW: http://pantheon.cis.yale.edu/~elliott
>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<>=<
Diedrich G. Kohl
On Mon 1997/12/01 00:56:23 GMT, in <65t1ve$asc$1...@toto.cc.utah.edu>
Brandon Burt <Brando...@m.cc.utah.edu> wrote:
> Kelly Holmes wrote in message <3480A8...@natinst.com>...
>> I guess I look at the whole issue a little differently than you, then. I
>> don't see those who are intolerant as "enemies"...I see them as simply
>> "unenlightened." Maybe if we approached such people with a little more
>> tolerance on OUR part, they would reciprocate.
> Yes, and maybe monkeys will fly out of Pat Robetson's butt ... [snip]
Right. The approach of trying to "enlighten" is all well and good,
and indeed it has worked on many. Changing attitudes reflect this.
By all means, it's the preferred approach. However, it needs to be
recognized that there are "unenlightenable" writeoffs, and there
probably always will be.
--Rick
lac...@webtv.net
In article <65v74o$2cr$2...@news.ycc.yale.edu>,
ell...@pantheon.yale.edu (Alex Elliott) wrote:
> : >NOSPAMre...@ibm.net (Regular Guy (Rhymes with Tree)) wrote:
> : >>I'll tell you, we must attempt to buy more Budweiser to support Bud in
> : >>its valiant attempt to stand up to the radical homosexual lobby.
> Before you do this, I thought you should know > that Bud Light has a full-page advertisement
> in the Advocate magazine with the text:
> "Another one coming out. Be yourself and make > it a Bud Light."
And during the Soul Train awards show, Denny's had 3 commercials.
> Budweiser and Anheiser-Busch not only
> advertise in gay publications,
Texaco advertizes in Ebony, Essence, and other African American
publications. Plus Texaco has gas stations all over the inner cities of
America. So whats your point??
When a business wants your money, they don't care who you are, Gay,
Straight, Black or White, the color most important to them is GREEN. But
when it's time for them to hire you, and promote you, and pay you, then
it's a diferent story.
Apuleius
no....@my.mailbox (Rev. Billy) wrote to and
alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Javier Rocabado <jav...@lmato.com> wrote:
== >Hello I will be going to Atlanta in a couple weeks, I would appreciate
== >any info regarding
== >sex clubs and african american discos.
== >Thanks Javier
==
== Try here, I understand there are some WILD times !!!
==
== Newt Gingrich
== 3823 Roswell Road
== Suite 200
== Marietta, GA 30062
== Phone: 770/565-6398
But maybe he isn't a chubby chaser.
dsg5
I don't buy any beer . . . never acquired the taste for it.
Gimme a chocolate milk shake any day . . .
-dsg
Dolf
Nicholas Santoro wrote in message <348CA2...@tci.net>...
>
>Learn that LEVITICUS 20:13 tells of what WILL happen to ANY Sodomite
>Or other worker of Inequity. I did not write this GOD Did it is
>irrefutable evidence of his wrath
>
Obviously this poor chap thinks there is something terribly wrong with a
human behavior between consenting adults and that it is in contravention of
the underlying principles of love and dignity that underpin God's seemingly
immutable laws.
When you are finished telling me that gay men and lesbians who engage in
homo-genital sexual acts stand in direct opposition to God's will, I will
simply draw this upon the sand.
The 4th Commandment calls upon us to remember the Sabbath day, to keep it
holy and to grant that rest to others within the scope of our influence.
Exodus 31:13-17 talks of the Sabbath being a perputual convenant and that
its non-observance will result in the penalty of death.
So then, I would ask those who so readily condemn others for seemingly
divergent same gender sexual behaviour, to look at their own lives with
regards to Sabbath observance behaviour. Do you do as the Lord has
commanded and keep Saturday as your Sabbath, or have you my some
rationalisation of human inginuity excused yourself by accepting Sunday as
perfectly acceptable but divergent human behaviour?
If you are so readily able to reconcile your own Sabbath behaviour in the
face of evidence that is far more substantial than same-sex texts so often
quoted by Christians, you might like to extend that same logic to the
question of same gender sexual behaviours.
Before you head for the easy exit and simply claim Sunday as the Christian
Sabbath within the experience of Grace, let me remind you that another
perpetual covenant--circumcision created no small debate within the early
Christian church. It is therefore not plausible for the tradition of the
Sabbath to simply change without dialogue.
I look forward to your response
Dolf Boek
Australia
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Dolf wrote in message <88188781...@kermit.netlink.com.au>...
>
>Nicholas Santoro wrote in message <348CA2...@tci.net>...
>>
>>Learn that LEVITICUS 20:13 tells of what WILL happen to ANY Sodomite
>>Or other worker of Inequity. I did not write this GOD Did it is
>>irrefutable evidence of his wrath
>>
>Obviously this poor chap thinks there is something terribly wrong with a
>human behavior between consenting adults and that it is in contravention of
>the underlying principles of love and dignity that underpin God's seemingly
>immutable laws.
>
court a while back, and they tried using that defence against incest charges
brought against them. What a lovely bunch, everybody in the family screwing
each other willy nilly.
Now we have all these appologists for Sodomy coming out of the woodwork
claiming their godgiven rights. Next we have everybody walking around naked
and fornicating near your sidewalks, after all they are victimless
activities, aren't they?
amor vincit omnia
Frank the Fundy
an atheist who met Christ Jesus
Rev Chuck
bike...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> Hey, Frank, just wondering....
>
> What's been keeping you from fornicating near my sidewalk lately?
>
> Michael
Frank said something about about naked people walking around in
front of my house. Hell, I'd go for that.
bike...@mindspring.com
Harobed Nosnivel
>Dolf wrote in message <88188781...@kermit.netlink.com.au>...
>>
>>Nicholas Santoro wrote in message <348CA2...@tci.net>...
>>>
>>>Learn that LEVITICUS 20:13 tells of what WILL happen to ANY Sodomite
>>>Or other worker of Inequity. I did not write this GOD Did it is
>>>irrefutable evidence of his wrath
Well, the sin of inhospitality being what it is..... (I suggest you do
some serious reading on the real story of Sodom).
>>Obviously this poor chap thinks there is something terribly wrong with a
>>human behavior between consenting adults and that it is in contravention of
>>the underlying principles of love and dignity that underpin God's seemingly
>>immutable laws.
>>
> "Consenting adults" hey? We had a bunch of these consenting adults in
>court a while back, and they tried using that defence against incest charges
>brought against them. What a lovely bunch, everybody in the family screwing
>each other willy nilly.
What part of "adult" do you not understand? The children in this
situation were neither consenting nor adult.
> Now we have all these appologists for Sodomy coming out of the woodwork
>claiming their godgiven rights. Next we have everybody walking around naked
>and fornicating near your sidewalks, after all they are victimless
>activities, aren't they?
While we're at it - would you care to specifically define sodomy? I'd
love to know whether you believe that I practice it, and if not what
your problem is with my relationship with my spouse.
Deborah
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wf...@enter.netxx
> Now we have all these appologists for Sodomy coming out of the woodwork
funny your xtian predecessors had no problem justifying slavery based
on ephesians. your outrage at the idea that people might LOVE each
other is understandable given your religion's high investment at
making them HATE each other.
===============================================================
if you want to know who 'wf3h' is, go to the 'qrz' database and
enter 'wf3h' at the prompt
Tom Goodman
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between
themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even
their women did change the natural use into that which is against
nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that
which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of
their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,
God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are
not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,
covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit,
malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors
of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural
affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such
things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in
them that do them.
Matthew 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders,
adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil
thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness,
an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
^^^^
Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth
forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of
his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of
the heart his mouth speaketh.
John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither
cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
T. Aleks Barbour
>Dolf wrote in message <88188781...@kermit.netlink.com.au>...
>>
>>Nicholas Santoro wrote in message <348CA2...@tci.net>...
>>>
>>>Learn that LEVITICUS 20:13 tells of what WILL happen to ANY Sodomite
>>>Or other worker of Inequity. I did not write this GOD Did it is
>>>irrefutable evidence of his wrath
>>>
<snip>
> Now we have all these appologists for Sodomy coming out of the woodwork
>claiming their godgiven rights. Next we have everybody walking around naked
>and fornicating near your sidewalks, after all they are victimless
>activities, aren't they?
>
> amor vincit omnia
>
> Frank the Fundy
>an atheist who met Christ Jesus
>
what's wrong with walking around naked? isn't that the way "god"
created us...would he be against our displaying ourselves after we
were made in "his image?" or is he shy?
also, clothes were first used as protection from the elements as a
means of survival...not to protect our innocence
Frank Schierenberg
wf...@enter.netxx wrote in message <34948b8c...@news.enter.net>...
>On Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:07:19 +0800, "Frank Schierenberg"
><NOSPA...@mozcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Now we have all these appologists for Sodomy coming out of the
woodwork
>
>on ephesians. your outrage at the idea that people might LOVE each
>other is understandable given your religion's high investment at
>making them HATE each other.
>
then according to the Bible "in the last days" fornicators and their ilk,
(and I don't think it means just Homosexuals,) will be calling good evil and
evil good.
erikc
On Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:07:19 +0800
-- origin: alt.atheism:
>|Dolf wrote in message <88188781...@kermit.netlink.com.au>...
>|>
>|>Nicholas Santoro wrote in message <348CA2...@tci.net>...
>|>>
>|>>Learn that LEVITICUS 20:13 tells of what WILL happen to ANY Sodomite
>|>>Or other worker of Inequity. I did not write this GOD Did it is
>|>>irrefutable evidence of his wrath
>|>>
>|>human behavior between consenting adults and that it is in contravention of
>|>the underlying principles of love and dignity that underpin God's seemingly
>|>immutable laws.
>|>
>| "Consenting adults" hey? We had a bunch of these consenting adults in
>|court a while back, and they tried using that defence against incest charges
>|brought against them. What a lovely bunch, everybody in the family screwing
>|each other willy nilly.
I think you are making this case up. Give us pointers to some material so we
can look at the case ourselves.
>| Now we have all these appologists for Sodomy coming out of the woodwork
>|claiming their godgiven rights. Next we have everybody walking around naked
>|and fornicating near your sidewalks, after all they are victimless
>|activities, aren't they?
Hell, people screwing on the sidewalk would be a good show. wouldn't bother me
in the least. But I don't think they'd be doing it at this time of the year,
though, don't you think? ;-)
Erikc (WA #002) | "An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil."
| "The Truth against the World."
| -- Bardic Motto
Dolf
Tom Goodman wrote in message <34c1ca63...@news.comnet.ca>...
>Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
>the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between
>themselves:
[snipped the rest of Tom's selective Biblical quote]
Hey Tom, you didn't read far enough. Paul was talking of two classes of
people, the Gentiles and the Jews. You quoted the texts relating to the
Gentiles but you forgot something:
"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for
wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest
doest the same things." [Romans 2:1]
That's right Tom the whole purpose of Paul's dialog is to demonstrate that
those who profess to be the Lord's own special people are no better than the
people they condemn. All fall short.
>
>Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth
>forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of
>his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of
>the heart his mouth speaketh.
>
>John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither
>cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
>
Isn't it time you showed us exactly what real Christian love is? We've
gotten a little tired of the fraud. You know Tom, the same kind of self
sacrificing love shown by Jesus Christ when he died for sinners.
What sort of love have you shown today?
Your cup is nearly full
Dolf Boek
Dolf
My Dear Frank,
Whilst I agree Frank that the coming of the Son of Man shall not occur
unless there is a falling away first and the man of sin is revealed.
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except
there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of
perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
showing himself that he is God." [2Thes 2:3-4]
"And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with
the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his
coming:" [2Thes.2.8]
It seems to me that the wickedness that you you describe in the last days is
actually perpetuated by those who pass themselves off as Christians and
religionists.
I think Frank that you spend too long self justifying yourself by pointing
to the sins of others and in seeming contradiction of the advice given by
the early apostles: "Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good
word and work." [2Thes.2.17] When are we going to see kindness and love
towards homosexuals expressed in word and action in fulfillment of the
commandment of our Lord, to love one another as He first loved us?
Your cup is nearly full
Dolf Boek
Frank Schierenberg wrote in message <673hle$9cc$1...@mozcom3.mozcom.com>...
>wf...@enter.netxx wrote in message <34948b8c...@news.enter.net>...
>>On Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:07:19 +0800, "Frank Schierenberg"
>><NOSPA...@mozcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Now we have all these appologists for Sodomy coming out of the
>woodwork
>>
wf...@enter.netxx
>Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
>the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between
>themselves:
ive got a bible of my own thanks. and it supports slavery so all your
posts dont do much good...
Frank Schierenberg
Dolf wrote in message <88219156...@kermit.netlink.com.au>...
>>the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between
>>themselves:
>Isn't it time you showed us exactly what real Christian love is? We've
>gotten a little tired of the fraud. You know Tom, the same kind of self
>sacrificing love shown by Jesus Christ when he died for sinners.
>What sort of love have you shown today?
Tom took the time to tell you what the Good Book says about your
self-professed homosexuality. Doing that he showed true Christian love and
did what the Lord called us to do. If you were so into "minding your own
business" that you would not tell me, though you knew, that I was headed for
some disaster, on surviving that I should have reason to kill you, wouldn't
you say?
But then there is Jesus, who loves the sinner, though He hates the sin.
Can I do less?
Tom Goodman
>Isn't it time you showed us exactly what real Christian love is? We've
>gotten a little tired of the fraud. You know Tom, the same kind of self
>sacrificing love shown by Jesus Christ when he died for sinners.
>
>What sort of love have you shown today?
Dolf, clearly you're the fraud.
1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the
world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in
him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust
of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of
the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that
doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
**Clearly shows that you don't know God(Father) because you love the
world and things(fags) in the it.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between
themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even
their women did change the natural use into that which is against
nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that
which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of
their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,
God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are
not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,
covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit,
malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors
of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural
affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such
things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in
them that do them.
**Notice that God gave them up, that implies fags are destined for
death. However, It is possible they can avoid the real death if they
quit their evilness and accept salvation, but highly unlikely many
will come to their senses.
Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is
evil; cleave to that which is good.
**clearly shows that your(dolf's) kind of love is dissimulated(hide
under a false appearance ). Abhor means " to regard with extreme
repugnance". Clearly you are NOT a true Christian but is a fake, and
a wolf in sheep skin.
Corinthians II 11:12 And what I do I will continue to do, in order to
undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their
boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do.
Corinthians II 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful
workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
Corinthians II 11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself
as an angel of light.
Corinthians II 11:15 So it is not strange if his servants also
disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will
correspond to their deeds.
**Fakes like you pretending to be the righteous by not condemning
evils such as homosexuals, and posed yourself as an angel of light,
accusing those who condemn evils as fraud.
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the
friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will
be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
**do you know what is opposite of friend ? Clearly shows that you're
an enemy of God.
Yes, I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those
who(inculde dolf) would like to claim that in their boasted mission
they work on the same terms as real true Christians do.
Corinthians II 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful
workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
Earle Jones
In article <34c1ca63...@news.comnet.ca>, comme...@headquarter.com
(Tom Goodman) wrote:
[...clipcraphere...]
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth
>forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of
>his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of
>the heart his mouth speaketh.
>
>John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither
>cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
>
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>Dolf wrote in message <88219156...@kermit.netlink.com.au>...
>>
>>Tom Goodman wrote in message <34c1ca63...@news.comnet.ca>...
>>>Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
>>>the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between
>>>themselves:
>
>>Isn't it time you showed us exactly what real Christian love is? We've
>>gotten a little tired of the fraud. You know Tom, the same kind of self
>>sacrificing love shown by Jesus Christ when he died for sinners.
>>What sort of love have you shown today?
>
>
> Tom took the time to tell you what the Good Book says about your
>self-professed homosexuality. Doing that he showed true Christian love and
>did what the Lord called us to do. If you were so into "minding your own
>business" that you would not tell me, though you knew, that I was headed for
>some disaster, on surviving that I should have reason to kill you, wouldn't
>you say?
> But then there is Jesus, who loves the sinner, though He hates the sin.
>Can I do less?
Frank, I'm surprised at you. Tom has repeatedly posted that God hates
homosexuals. He has posted profanity, called people names, and said
the most hurtful things.
I think your post applies to you but I would never believe it of Tom.
Victoria "Lee"
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J.D. Black
In article <3495f0a1...@news.enter.net>, wf...@enter.netxx wrote:
}On Mon, 15 Dec 1997 06:13:09 GMT, comme...@headquarter.com (Tom
}Goodman) wrote:
}
}>Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
}>the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between
}>themselves:
}
}ive got a bible of my own thanks. and it supports slavery
Only if you change the words. Have you changed it so that you are a
believer now?
}so all your
}posts dont do much good...
}
Or yours, since you are wrong.
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satyr
> Tom took the time to tell you what the Good Book says about your
>self-professed homosexuality. Doing that he showed true Christian love and
>did what the Lord called us to do. If you were so into "minding your own
>business" that you would not tell me, though you knew, that I was headed for
>some disaster, on surviving that I should have reason to kill you, wouldn't
>you say?
> But then there is Jesus, who loves the sinner, though He hates the sin.
>Can I do less?
But Frank, you also said:
>There are lots of people that are worthy of love and a lot that are not.
>And that is the uniqueness of Jesus, that he loved each unworthy more than a
>hundred of the righteous kind. How can you fathom such a man? So, when Jesus
>said, seeing me you have seen the father, could He have meant the attribute
>of unconditional love IS the Father I was supposed to have seen in Him?
> Just suppose God is a name for composit of positive human attributes
>then His existence is not in doubt, not only that, but He would be manifest
>in every human who displays those attributes.
So which is it? Is god/jesus the unique entity that loves all
unconditionally? Or is he the author of a disaster which will befall
us if we don't abandon our wicked ways and accept jesus as our
personal savior? And what about the homosexual who accepts jesus?
Doesn't that absolve him of his sins? After all, you are a sinner and
you are saved (unconditionally?). Why can't the gay man be that also?
I can't believe that I am actually arguing this fairy tale. Check out
reality some time Frank. This religion crap is too bizarre.
Dolf
Tom Goodman wrote in message <34af0978...@news.comnet.ca>...
>On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:00:33 +1100, "Dolf"
><no-...@dolf.netlink.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>Isn't it time you showed us exactly what real Christian love is? We've
>>gotten a little tired of the fraud. You know Tom, the same kind of self
>>sacrificing love shown by Jesus Christ when he died for sinners.
>>
>>What sort of love have you shown today?
>
>Dolf, clearly you're the fraud.
>
>[snipped some texts repeatedly quoted by Tom in all his posts from 1 John
2:15-17]
>
>**Clearly shows that you don't know God(Father) because you love the
>world and things(fags) in the it.
>
Let me compose myself first (rolling on the floor laughing). By your
definition then Jesus Christ and John the Baptist were both frauds:
"For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man
gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom
is justified of her children. [Matthew 11:18-19]
You are behaving just like a modern day Pharisee:
"And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he
went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat. And, behold, a woman
in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the
Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, And stood at his
feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe
them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with
the ointment. Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake
within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who
and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner."
[Luke 7.36-39]
"And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I
entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath
washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. Thou
gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased
to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman
hath anointed my feet with ointment. Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins,
which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is
forgiven, the same loveth little." [Luke.7.44-47]
[Snipped more of Tom's repeated texts]
>**Notice that God gave them up, that implies fags are destined for
>death. However, It is possible they can avoid the real death if they
>quit their evilness and accept salvation, but highly unlikely many
>will come to their senses.
>
Well Tom, you might also care to take a look at "And for this cause God
shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"
2Thes.2.11, where it talks of an apostate christian church. You know Tom,
the kind that shows a pretend love.
>
>Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is
>evil; cleave to that which is good.
>
>**clearly shows that your(dolf's) kind of love is dissimulated(hide
>under a false appearance ). Abhor means " to regard with extreme
>repugnance". Clearly you are NOT a true Christian but is a fake, and
>a wolf in sheep skin.
>
"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have
loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that
ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." [John.13.34-35]
Where's you love Tom?
>
>Corinthians II 11:12 And what I do I will continue to do, in order to
>undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their
>boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do.
>Corinthians II 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful
>workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
>Corinthians II 11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself
>as an angel of light.
>Corinthians II 11:15 So it is not strange if his servants also
>disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will
>correspond to their deeds.
>
>**Fakes like you pretending to be the righteous by not condemning
>evils such as homosexuals, and posed yourself as an angel of light,
>accusing those who condemn evils as fraud.
>
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto
me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth
the will of my Father which is in heaven." [Matt.7.20-21]
>
>James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the
>friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will
>be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
>
>**do you know what is opposite of friend ? Clearly shows that you're
>an enemy of God.
There is no greater adulterer than the Christian church passing itself off
as being representative of God.
"And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is
fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of
every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all
nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the
kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of
the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. "
[Revelation 18.2-3]
Its time to repent Tom
>
>Yes, I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those
>who(inculde dolf) would like to claim that in their boasted mission
>they work on the same terms as real true Christians do.
>Corinthians II 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful
>workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
>
I look forward to it Tom, by all means in the name of Christ and
righteousness, bring forth your persecution:
"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is
the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and
persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my
sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven:
for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. [Matt.5.9-12]
But please provide some considered dialog.
Dolf
Dolf
Frank Schierenberg wrote in message <67684k$hmv$3...@mozcom3.mozcom.com>...
> Tom took the time to tell you what the Good Book says about your
>self-professed homosexuality. Doing that he showed true Christian love and
>did what the Lord called us to do. If you were so into "minding your own
>business" that you would not tell me, though you knew, that I was headed
for
>some disaster, on surviving that I should have reason to kill you, wouldn't
>you say?
Reason to kill me. What are you going on about Frank? Have you slipped up
in taking your medication recently or something?
By what authority do you claim to be able to execute judgement?
Not even in the old testament was someone convicted by the testamony of a
single person. Always by the testamony of 2 or 3. But be careful because
the statement 'judge not lest you be judged' applies in such circumstances.
A person who's judgement is found false has the sentence of the accused
taken out upon them.
The first action of sentence being taken by the accused.
So you see, your Christian judgement doesn't even approximate the just
process that God established for the children of Israel.
> But then there is Jesus, who loves the sinner, though He hates the sin.
>Can I do less?
>
A glib phrase if ever I heard one. Jesus love for *all humanity* and not
just christians knew no boundaries. It meant he was prepared to die in
their stead. How dare you even attempt pass your judgement and segmentation
of humanity (worthy and unworthy) as even approximating the love shown by
Christ.
Dolf
wf...@enter.netxx
>In article <3495f0a1...@news.enter.net>, wf...@enter.netxx wrote:
>
>}ive got a bible of my own thanks. and it supports slavery
>
>Only if you change the words. Have you changed it so that you are a
>believer now?
>
gee so you say. funny how the bible disagrees with you. it tells slave
owners to be good slave owners. doesnt tell 'em its wrong. can you
imagine paul saying that gays are MORAL if they give great head? i
dont THINK so.
Mange Grrrl
Tom Goodman (comme...@headquarter.com) wrote:
: 1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the
: world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in
: him.
: 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust
: of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of
: the world.
: 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that
: doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
: **Clearly shows that you don't know God(Father) because you love the
: world and things(fags) in the it.
um, doesn't that passage say that you can't love the father if you love
ANYTHING of the earth? that would include your parents, wife, husband,
children, neighbors, friends, pets. so how do you manage to apply this
solely to fags (or fag-lovers) when it applies to anyone who loves anyone
or anything that is not god?
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Mange Grrrl, wa#435
ejo...@gl.umbc.edu
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Luree
>On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:00:33 +1100, "Dolf"
><no-...@dolf.netlink.com.au> wrote:
>**Clearly shows that you don't know God(Father) because you love the
>world and things(fags) in the it.
Isn't it wonderful that scientists have discovered the genetic link to
homosexuality. Now prospective parents, whose unborn child has this
genetic anomaly, can chose if they want their baby to be born, much
like they do for Down's Syndrome children and those pesky female
fetuses.
This will be a terrific benefit for society because:
1. These children will never have to face the terrible discrimination
that society now imposes on them, through no fault of their own.
2. Parents will no longer have to put up with the stigma of having a
queer child.
3. The Moral Minority will no longer have to expend time and effort
in the harassment and browbeating of these unfortunate members of
society.
God has used the miracle of modern technology to eliminate sinners
before they are even born.
Women should not be enlightened or educated in any way.
They should, in fact, be segregated as they are the cause
of hideous and involuntary erections in holy men.
- St. Augustine
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