Ty Fox scandal
Alex Elliott
Just today, I was reading the News of the Day on Out Magazine's web
site and came across a shocking little tidbit. Although, like most
gay men, I am usually totally above repeating filthy gossip, I felt
compelled to relate a few details in this select and intimate forum.
Apparently, a 30-year-old gentleman by the name of Jeffery Dion Bruton,
a teacher of physical education at a middle school in Virginia and father
of a six-week-old daughter, is in the middle of divorce proceedings. As
part of the divorce brief, Mr. Burton's wife Melanie presented as evidence
the cinematic gem "Hot Day in L.A." which features her husband (before
he was in fact her husband) in a starring role using the nom de porn
"Ty Fox".
If pressed, I might be forced to admit that I have not only seen Mr.
Bruton in his Ty Fox incarnation but actually I seem to recall that
somewhere within the confines of my bedroom there is a magazine whose
cover photo features a head shot of "Ty Fox" and another gentleman's
tumescent manhood (which only partially visible since Mr. Bruton's
lips seem to have blocked part of the view). In fact, it seems to me
that Ty Fox has been so ubiquitous in porn magazines over the past
few years that one wonders how he could have had a marriage that
lasted as long as it takes to whelp a daughter before anyone pointed
out his prior occupation to his wife.
Anyway, not only is his wife using this video (along with Mr. Bruton's
alleged steriod abuse) in an effort to divorce him and presumably get
sole custody of their loinfruit, but his employers (the middle school,
not Falcon studios) are investigating the allegations of porn stardom
(which, owing to Ty Fox's aforementioned ubiquity, should not be
difficult to prove) and if they turn out to be true, they plan to fire
him and get his Virginia teaching license revoked.
If you want more details on this scurrilous gossip, check out Out's
website (www.out.com) under the news section or last Friday's
Washington Post (Out's source for the info).
Alex, who is tempted to traipse off to his local video store and rent
"Fox's Lair" (in which Ty Fox has extensive dalliances with a variety
of men, two of whom are supposed to be his brothers) before it becomes
a hugely sought-after collectors item.
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Alex Elliott
Yale University Physics Department
New Haven, CT, USA
email: ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
WWW: http://pantheon.cis.yale.edu/~elliott
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ABulous
In article <4t6j6s$8...@news.ycc.yale.edu> ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Alex Elliott) writes:
>Just today, I was reading the News of the Day on Out Magazine's web
>site and came across a shocking little tidbit. Although, like most
>gay men, I am usually totally above repeating filthy gossip, I felt
>compelled to relate a few details in this select and intimate forum.
[...]
Living as a married, closeted gay porn-star and then having your life
fall apart is certainly no picnic. I am always suspicious of people who
snicker at the tragedy of others. Not to mention the fact that
Tim #1 already provided a summary here quite recently.
Harry, using the "t" word again
--
Harry A. Kaplan, Ph.D., (new) IRC nick: ABulous
e-mail: hka...@panix.com, web: <http://www.panix.com/~hkaplan>
Current research: Colonial Huguenot farmhouses in New Amersfoort, New York
Ellen Evans
In article <4t81gf$3...@mercury.mcs.com>, David Morck <dmo...@MCS.COM> wrote:
>Alex Elliott (ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu) wrote:
>> loinfruit
[]
>The man
>has *no* balls. Literally.
Who do we suspect: the milkman?
--
Ellen Evans 17 Across: The "her" of "Leave Her to Heaven"
je...@netcom.com New York Times, 7/14/96
Alex Elliott
On 25 Jul 1996 10:48:45 -0400 ABulous (hka...@panix.com) wrote:
> In article <4t6j6s$8...@news.ycc.yale.edu> ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Alex Elliott) writes:
> >Just today, I was reading the News of the Day on Out Magazine's web
> >site and came across a shocking little tidbit. Although, like most
> >gay men, I am usually totally above repeating filthy gossip, I felt
> >compelled to relate a few details in this select and intimate forum.
> Living as a married, closeted gay porn-star and then having your life
> fall apart is certainly no picnic. I am always suspicious of people who
> snicker at the tragedy of others.
I'm not snickering at him for having his life fall apart. I think
that it's a shame that he is losing his wife, his child, and his job
because of things (which were presumably even *legal*) that he did
before he acquired said wife, child, and job.
*However*, I think it is woefully naive that he could have thought that
with as much exposure he had as Ty Fox, he could hide himself in one of
the most conservative pockets of the country and no one would ever find
out about his past life.
After he has (a) hidden something of this magnitude from his wife ("by
the way, dear, I may have forgotten to mention that I fucked several
dozen men on camera"), and (b) taken a teaching job (a job that the
Christian Right is particulary sensitive about) in Virginia (where there
is no non-discrimination law and the Right is strong) in a school system
that is conservative even by Virginia standards; I think what is
happening was completely inevitable.
While *I* don't think he deserves what is happening to him and if *I*
were making the decisions at his school system I would not fire him.
Given who *does* make the decisions in Virginia, however, I am not at
all suprised that it is turning out this way, and he shouldn't be either.
> Not to mention the fact that
> Tim #1 already provided a summary here quite recently.
I really am sorry about repeating this - I haven't been reading soc.motss
regularly for a couple of weeks. I really did scan the subjects to see
if there was already a thread about this, but either it is hidden under
some weird subject (what was the subject line for Tim's post?), or it
scrolled off my newsreader already.
In a different article, Brian Kane (ka...@buast7.bu.edu) wrote:
> Porn is not filthy!
I didn't say it was. I said that gossip was filthy.
Alex.
Tony Sarris
> In article <4t6j6s$8...@news.ycc.yale.edu> ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
(Alex Elliott) writes:
> >Just today, I was reading the News of the Day on Out Magazine's web
> >site and came across a shocking little tidbit. Although, like most
> >gay men, I am usually totally above repeating filthy gossip, I felt
> >compelled to relate a few details in this select and intimate forum.
>
> [...]
>
> Living as a married, closeted gay porn-star and then having your life
> fall apart is certainly no picnic.
Corporate *or* otherwise! But do you know for sure that he was 'closeted'
to his wife? Or is this just a presumption. It could be that she knew all
about his porn activities all along, and is just using this now as a way
to get back at him for the real reason she's divorcing him. Maybe he
refused to do more movies even though she's sick of living on a teacher's
salary and wanted the extra income from his moonlighting job to pay for
her expensive taste in home furnishing and jewelry and her $500/day
cocaine habit. Or maybe he told her he'd done it only for the money, then
she came home one day and caught him and another coach from the school
doing a little nekkid wrestling. None of us know anything about their
private lives, really, but I agree with Alex that Ty's public porn star
life was way out there in the gay media, so he seems like pretty fair game
to me for a little gossip by his admiring pubic^H^Hlic.
> I am always suspicious of people who
> snicker at the tragedy of others.
What is so tragic about this? Was he forced into porn sex slavery? It
certainly seems like he was more than willing to sell his body/image to
the highest bidder, something that is his right, and the right of anybody
who chooses to earn money this way. I even saw a 'new release' advertised
a few weeks ago (before this incident) staring Ty Fox, but that could have
been filmed a while ago I guess. And he was marketed to the max. But the
downside to that is that when you change gears radically, or have a
parallel life that involves a cozy little family, a teaching job in a
conservative school district with a morals clause in their contract, etc.
then you run the risk of the this sort of unwanted exposure.
Let's assume for a minute that he regretted he ever did the porn stuff,
gay or not, and attempted to get married, get a 'real job' and put it all
behind him. Not telling his wife would be stupid. Telling the school
administration would probably have cost him the job in the first place,
but is he any better off now? He could have gotten a job in some other
district/state/whatever where he could have been more open about his past
and slowly put it erm...behind him.
The only thing I'm curious about if what would have happened if he had
claimed to have found Jesus (not the Weather one, that would be a
different story) and repented. Would the district's Xian right-wingers
have blacklisted him, or held him up as a shining example of a reformed
gay porn star who saw the light?
Tony, currently staring in "Tongue Ty'd"
John Whiteside
In article <nfitch-2507...@rufus.ucsd.edu>,
nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) wrote:
> Alex hasn't been reading much lately because of work pressure.
Wasn't that Rex's excuse, too?
John, ducking.
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John Whiteside / jwhi...@concentric.net
http://www.concentric.net/~jwhitesi
Brian Kane
In article <4t6j6s$8...@news.ycc.yale.edu>,
Alex Elliott (ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu) wrote:
>Just today, I was reading the News of the Day on Out Magazine's web
>site and came across a shocking little tidbit. Although, like most
>gay men, I am usually totally above repeating filthy gossip
Porn is not filthy!
>I felt compelled to relate a few details in this select and intimate forum.
>Apparently, a 30-year-old gentleman by the name of Jeffery Dion Bruton,
>a teacher of physical education at a middle school in Virginia and father
>of a six-week-old daughter, is in the middle of divorce proceedings. As
>part of the divorce brief, Mr. Burton's wife Melanie presented as evidence
>the cinematic gem "Hot Day in L.A." which features her husband (before
>he was in fact her husband) in a starring role using the nom de porn
>"Ty Fox".
Tim Evanson posted this juicy gossip to soc.motss last weekend
(it was front page news in the Washington Post last Friday).
--
Brian Kane~~ka...@buast7.bu.edu~~http://buast7.bu.edu/~kane/
"And in the demon's hat discolored flowers grew/and they had
fleshy stems and fleshy petals, too/To slither is divine, to
multifoliate/She just lost her watch, she couldn't concentrate/
She was vibrating..."---Robyn Hitchock
David Morck
Alex Elliott (ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu) wrote:
: Anyway, not only is his wife using this video (along with Mr. Bruton's
: alleged steriod abuse) in an effort to divorce him and presumably get
: sole custody of their loinfruit, but his employers (the middle school,
: not Falcon studios) are investigating the allegations of porn stardom
: (which, owing to Ty Fox's aforementioned ubiquity, should not be
: difficult to prove) and if they turn out to be true, they plan to fire
: him and get his Virginia teaching license revoked.
Well, I didn't know that Ty Fox was really a mild-mannered middle school
teacher in real life, but the steroid abuse is clearly obvious. The man
has *no* balls. Literally. Granted, the man is very muscular, but the
complete lack of testicles was a bit off-putting.
Not that I've actually *seen* any videos featuring Ty Fox... Ahem.
dave, who remembers the first time he saw Ty Fox, and immediately
thinking "Steroids"
--
David Morck
dmo...@mcs.com
Tony Sarris
In article <tony-25079...@tonys-mac.ontek.com>, to...@ontek.com
(Tony Sarris) wrote:
> What is so tragic about this?
To follow-up to my own post regarding one point:
The only tragedy here IMHO is that someone could lose their job over being
a 'former' porn sta,r or 'former' anything for that matter. Whether
companies can regulate your current moonlighting activities while you are
employed with them is a different, sticky legal matter. But something
you've done in the past? That's scary. If I wrote a pornographic story
once and it got published, can I teach in that school district in
Virginia? What about any sexually-oriented postings I've made on
soc.motss?
In *MY* ideal world, companies should only be able to fire someone for
shortcomings in their on-the-job performance -- any other performances, on
film or otherwise, ought to be none-of-their-friggin' business.
In this case, though 'Ty' apparently knew the conditions of his
employment, so under the circumstances, his potentially being fired over
this shouldn't come as a complete surprise. Unfair as it may be.
Tony, feeling like those announcers at the end of car commercials and so
noting that YMMV
Nick Fitch
> In article <4t6j6s$8...@news.ycc.yale.edu> ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
(Alex Elliott) writes:
> >Just today, I was reading the News of the Day on Out Magazine's web
> >site and came across a shocking little tidbit. Although, like most
> >gay men, I am usually totally above repeating filthy gossip, I felt
> >compelled to relate a few details in this select and intimate forum.
>
> [...]
>
> Living as a married, closeted gay porn-star and then having your life
> fall apart is certainly no picnic.
Harry, sweetheart, as far as I'm concerned anyone stupid enough to think
he *can* be a closeted gay porn star deserves to have Life deal him a
little electroconvulsive therapy. I mean, we're not exactly talking about
a single scene in a jack-off video or posing for a photo spread when young
and broke here. We're talking serious porn megastardom. "Closeted"???
If I spent *years* being photographed and filmed engaging in rampant
hot-hot-man-man-sex-sex for major adult magazine and movie companies with
nationwide distributorship; having my face and entire naked body displayed
prominantly on boxes and covers in every adult bookstore all over the
bloody country and beyond time after time, it would hardly occur to me to
assume that no-one would notice. It *certainly* wouldn't occur to me to
think that not only would no-one notice but that I could also pass myself
off as a nice, wholesome, all-American football coach and paragon of
heterosexual masculinity with a lovely wife and adorable baby daughter.
That Bruton attempted to do so merely marks him as possibly the most
amazingly stupid man I have come across in some considerable time.
> I am always suspicious of people who
> snicker at the tragedy of others.
Sod the "Poor Jeffery, it's a tragedy" spiel, Harry. I read once that
there's a Creole version of a Hausa concept which they call "sans
humanite". It apparently translates as "It's your own fault, you deserve
it and you'll get no sympathy from me." I think that sums it up nicely.
> Not to mention the fact that
> Tim #1 already provided a summary here quite recently.
Alex hasn't been reading much lately because of work pressure.
-- Nick.
David Stevenson
dmo...@MCS.COM (David Morck) writes:
>
>Well, I didn't know that Ty Fox was really a mild-mannered middle school
>teacher in real life, but the steroid abuse is clearly obvious. The man
>has *no* balls. Literally. Granted, the man is very muscular, but the
>complete lack of testicles was a bit off-putting.
>
wife is an "unfit" mother? I >heart< divorces.
ABulous
>Harry, sweetheart, as far as I'm concerned anyone stupid enough to think
>he *can* be a closeted gay porn star deserves to have Life deal him a
>little electroconvulsive therapy...
>It *certainly* wouldn't occur to me to
>think that not only would no-one notice but that I could also pass myself
>off as a nice, wholesome, all-American football coach and paragon of
>heterosexual masculinity with a lovely wife and adorable baby daughter.
>That Bruton attempted to do so merely marks him as possibly the most
>amazingly stupid man I have come across in some considerable time.
Nicky, I do so love your florid prose. But, actually, it's others who
are stupid. People do *not* notice these things, because in fact most
people have their heads to the ground worrying about the things they
need to do to survive from one day to the next.
It seems that the eponymous "Ty" did in fact manage to pass for quite
a long time. I think it's sad that his wife was apparently not very
sympathetic with his career as a gay porn star. I personally
would strive to be a more understanding spouse in that situation.
>"It's your own fault, you deserve it and you'll get no sympathy
>from me."
Then think about the tragedy of the budding young football stars who
will be stuck with some uninspiring dullhead coach. "Ty" radiates quite
a bit of personal warmth, at least in the one video I recall seeing him
in.
Harry
--
Harry A. Kaplan, Ph.D., IRC nick: ABulous
Tony Sarris
In article <jwhitesi-250...@cnc098048.concentric.net>,
jwhi...@concentric.net (John Whiteside) wrote:
> In article <nfitch-2507...@rufus.ucsd.edu>,
> nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) wrote:
>
> > Alex hasn't been reading much lately because of work pressure.
>
> Wasn't that Rex's excuse, too?
>
> John, ducking.
Yeah, but the difference is that in Alex's case he is apparently trying to
relieve some of that pressure constructively by practicing relaxation
techniques during Ty Fox videos.
Tony, breathing deeply
Brian Kane
Ilona:
>"tim"?
The "t" word for Tim today is "troubleshooting". He's
having his gall bladder removed at GWU Hospital today.
I think he'd appreciate some e-mail during his recovery
this weekend.
ABulous
In article <tony-25079...@tonys-mac.ontek.com> to...@ontek.com (Tony Sarris) writes:
>The only thing I'm curious about if what would have happened if he had
>claimed to have found Jesus (not the Weather one, that would be a
>different story) and repented. Would the district's Xian right-wingers
>have blacklisted him, or held him up as a shining example of a reformed
>gay porn star who saw the light?
>
>Tony, currently staring in "Tongue Ty'd"
Now that's a good question. It reminds me of the (tragic) story of Bob
Birdsong, who gave up his days as a top Hollywood bodybuilder hustler
when he found the Lord and ended up as a short-order cook in a divey
restaurant somewhere out near 29 Palms.
Or something like that. Arne?
Nick Fitch
In article <jwhitesi-250...@cnc098048.concentric.net>,
jwhi...@concentric.net (John Whiteside) wrote:
>> In article <nfitch-2507...@rufus.ucsd.edu>,
>> nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) wrote:
>>
>> > Alex hasn't been reading much lately because of work pressure.
>>
>> Wasn't that Rex's excuse, too?
I dunno. Rex, have you been trying to write up a PhD in between teaching
duties, research commitments and installing networks?
>> John, ducking.
Nick, raising an expressive eyebrow.
--
Alex Elliott: "Guess what P-word describes me at the moment!"
Jo Njoku: "Penis?"
Greg Havican
In message <4tb7rl$b...@panix.com> - hka...@panix.com (ABulous) writes:
:>
:>
:>It seems that the eponymous "Ty" did in fact manage to pass for quite
:>a long time. I think it's sad that his wife was apparently not very
:>sympathetic with his career as a gay porn star. I personally
:>would strive to be a more understanding spouse in that situation.
I think it's sad that he apparently couldn't be honest with her in the
first place.
Greg
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topm...@io.com / Finger for PGP key
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Tony Sarris
In article <4tb86d$c...@panix.com>, hka...@panix.com (ABulous) wrote about:
> the (tragic) story of Bob
> Birdsong, who gave up his days as a top Hollywood bodybuilder hustler
> when he found the Lord and ended up as a short-order cook in a divey
> restaurant somewhere out near 29 Palms.
Don't you mean 29 Psalms?
Tony, praying he's right
Nick Fitch
> Nicky, I do so love your florid prose. But, actually, it's others who
> are stupid. People do *not* notice these things, because in fact most
> people have their heads to the ground worrying about the things they
> need to do to survive from one day to the next.
>
> It seems that the eponymous "Ty" did in fact manage to pass for quite
> a long time. I think it's sad that his wife was apparently not very
> sympathetic with his career as a gay porn star. I personally
> would strive to be a more understanding spouse in that situation.
Look, Harry, he married the woman so he should at least have had a pretty
good idea of her personality before he went in for the white silk and
bouquets thing; assuming he had the intelligence to assess his presumably
beloved's opinions and attitudes in the first place; or indeed sufficient
intelligence to comprehend the awfully simple and basic point that anyone
who spends several years of his life getting paid for having rampant sex
with legions of men for the entertainment of the masses would be well
advised to shack up with someone with a broad mind and a closed mouth.
Just as he should damn well have realised that you can't be an invisible
porn actor forever, and that opting for a middle school teaching job in
the Crotch-Stain under the Bible Belt is a tad unwise, he should have
bloody well *known* that the woman was intolerant long before he tied the
knot. The man has no idea of forward planning, damage control or
contingency plans, and evidently seems to think he can go from "Ty me up"
to "It's a Wonderful Life" in one easy movement with no repurcussions. It
would be amusing if I didn't find such idiocy annoying. The man is dumb
as shit, Harry. Feel sorry for him if you want, but stupidity has it's
consequences. Sometimes it gets you elected, and sometimes it gets you
sacked, divorced and ridiculed.
> >"It's your own fault, you deserve it and you'll get no sympathy
> >from me."
>
> Then think about the tragedy of the budding young football stars who
> will be stuck with some uninspiring dullhead coach.
Oh how tragic. In a world of tears this has touched my heart the deepest.
*Something* *must* *be* *done*!
--Nick, wondering what Sophocles would have made of all this but knowing
Aristophanes would have had a ball.
ABulous
In article <nfitch-2607...@rufus.ucsd.edu> nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) writes:
>Just as he should damn well have realised...
Everybody makes errors in judgement, whether stupid or smart. This
ex-marine I once went out with is now leading a quiet, married life
somewhere in San Luis Obispo. I can't say if that's the best decision
for him. But he's not a dumb guy.
alan miles
In article <4t6j6s$8...@news.ycc.yale.edu>, ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
(Alex Elliott) wrote:
>
> Anyway, not only is his wife using this video (along with Mr. Bruton's
> alleged steriod abuse) in an effort to divorce him and presumably get
> sole custody of their loinfruit, but his employers (the middle school,
> not Falcon studios) are investigating the allegations of porn stardom
> (which, owing to Ty Fox's aforementioned ubiquity, should not be
> difficult to prove) and if they turn out to be true, they plan to fire
> him and get his Virginia teaching license revoked.
I cannot believe this woman exists. What kind of horrible person would do
this do her husband? I am shocked that this sort of thing happens in
1996.
Alan Miles
krost
In article <4tb86d$c...@panix.com>, hka...@panix.com (ABulous) says:
>
>In article <tony-25079...@tonys-mac.ontek.com> to...@ontek.com (Tony Sarris) writes:
>>The only thing I'm curious about if what would have happened if he had
>>claimed to have found Jesus (not the Weather one, that would be a
>>different story) and repented. Would the district's Xian right-wingers
>>have blacklisted him, or held him up as a shining example of a reformed
>>gay porn star who saw the light?
>>
>>Tony, currently staring in "Tongue Ty'd"
According to the Washington Blade article on this, the school district stated
that the issue is not his being gay. The official stated that they would
have sought revocation of his teaching license if he had done heterosexual
porn. The issue is pornography, officially. I think it's just a convenient way
to get rid of a gay employee.
Kevin
Pete
> Well, I didn't know that Ty Fox was really a mild-mannered middle school
> teacher in real life, but the steroid abuse is clearly obvious. The man
> has *no* balls. Literally. Granted, the man is very muscular, but the
> complete lack of testicles was a bit off-putting.
He does have a small scrotum which, in certain poses, tends to look as if
it is nonexistent. However, from other angles and in certain poses, his
scrotum is quite apparent. In any case, I'd be happy to entertain Mr. Fox
whenever he's available.
Pete
Queen of the Damned
alan miles (ami...@interport.net) wrote:
: In article <4t6j6s$8...@news.ycc.yale.edu>, ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
: (Alex Elliott) wrote:
I would be more than a little miffed if my husband hadn't
bothered to mention that he was a gay porn star. For
that matter, I think it somewhat enlightening that a
homosexual male Republican rep has been accused, in one part
of soc.motss, of being a pig who supported that marriage
bill thing (which he didn't), and of "not being homosexual
enough," and over here, we've got a closeted porn star
(go figure) who is generally being painted as the "good
guy" because his closet door has been opened and his
wife wants a divorce.
I am quite sure that a homosexual male who discovered he
was gay and insisted on divorcing his wife would also be
considered the "good guy" - because, after all, it was
his idea.
--
Queen of the Damned---x@mtcc.com---http://www.mtcc.com/~x/
Splat X Splat
*X*
Mark Roberts
ami...@interport.net (alan miles) had written:
|
| I cannot believe this woman exists. What kind of horrible person would do
| this do her husband? I am shocked that this sort of thing happens in
| 1996.
|
wife he was gay and he wanted a divorce. She promptly maxed out all
his credit cards, forcing him into bankruptcy court. Amazingly enough,
though, he kept the house and he did manage to pay off the debts.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Roberts | Kansas City, Missouri (USA) | http://www.crl.com/~transvox/
The Mid-America Radio Page: also at http://www.littleblue.com/kcradio/marp/
=============================================================================
Nick Nussbaum
In article <amiles-2907...@amiles.port.net>, ami...@interport.net
(alan miles) wrote:
> In article <4t6j6s$8...@news.ycc.yale.edu>, ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
> (Alex Elliott) wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyway, not only is his wife using this video (along with Mr. Bruton's
> > alleged steriod abuse) in an effort to divorce him and presumably get
> > sole custody of their loinfruit, but his employers (the middle school,
> >... plan to fire him and get his Virginia teaching license revoked.
>
> I cannot believe this woman exists. What kind of horrible person would do
> this do her husband? I am shocked that this sort of thing happens in
> 1996.
I take it you've haven't watched many divorces.
--
All opinions expressed herein are my own.
P.O. Box 4738 Seattle, WA 98104
Darren Scott Cobb
In article <4tl4rd$t...@panix.com>, ABulous <hka...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <31fd5be1...@nnrp.crl.com> tran...@crl.com (Mark Roberts) writes:
>> What happened to my second ex may be instructive. He told his
>>wife he was gay and he wanted a divorce. She promptly maxed out all
>>his credit cards, forcing him into bankruptcy court. Amazingly enough,
>>though, he kept the house and he did manage to pay off the debts.
>
Cancel your credit cards before you come out.
My credit cards are maxed already. I feel invincible.
Darren Scott Cobb __ . __ . _/|__ ,
Indiana University }<_;> . }<_;> . /`o _ `\_/
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Nick Fitch
> In article <31fd5be1...@nnrp.crl.com> tran...@crl.com (Mark
Roberts) writes:
> > What happened to my second ex may be instructive. He told his
> >wife he was gay and he wanted a divorce. She promptly maxed out all
> >his credit cards, forcing him into bankruptcy court. Amazingly enough,
> >though, he kept the house and he did manage to pay off the debts.
>
> I'm still waiting for the lesson here.
Well, I can think of a couple offhand.
The first involves the basic truism that, despite what certain bisexuals
consistently and tiresomly insist we're all supposed to think whenever the
topic comes up, those of us without the inbuilt capacity to happly shag
anything human regardless of plumbing frequently do not consider our
partners slyly rogering across genders or announcing they want to break up
because they've discovered the sexual joys of the other 50% to be remotely
comperable to the notion of their keeping their adulteries safely
in-house, as it were. As I've said before, discovering my boyfriend had a
history of playing Heterosexual Hide The Salami would miff me quite
considerably, and probably spectacularly. Having him tell me that he
planned to leave me because he'd met the girl of his dreams and wanted to
get married would probably result in a scene that would leave the ghost of
Sophocles speechless and give even OJ's lawyers a hard time getting me
acquitted.
The other thing that springs to mind involves an old proverb about Hell
hath-ing no Fury.
--Nick, who, fortunately for all concerned, finds it a tad unlikely that
Alex might be a closet heterosexual. Even if he does have stunning
butchitude.
Tim Wilson
In article <nfitch-3007...@gila.ucsd.edu>
nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) writes:
>As I've said before, discovering my boyfriend had a
>history of playing Heterosexual Hide The Salami would miff me quite
>considerably, and probably spectacularly.
Well, at least he's not a Christian. Lord knows we don't need to hear
that tired old rant again.
--
Tim Wilson http://www.ee.memphis.edu/~tim/ mailto:t-wi...@memphis.edu
FJ!!
In article <4to43u$s...@tom.amherst.edu>,
B Slinker <bsli...@unix.amherst.edu> wrote:
>In article <nfitch-3007...@gila.ucsd.edu> Nick Fitch wrote:
>: The first involves the basic truism that, [...] those
>: of us [who are not bisexual] frequently do not consider our
>: partners [crossing gender lines in partner-choice]
>: comperable to the notion of their keeping their adulteries safely
>: in-house, as it were.
Uh, speak for yourself, ok?
>why? the idea of being left (by someone of either gender) for a guy
>doesn't bother me nearly as much as the idea of being left for a woman
>would. if i get left for a guy, it's because he's a guy and men and women
>are different. if i get left for a woman, it's more likely because she's
>smarter/prettier/more fun/better in bed/whatever, which would probably
>make me feel insecure, inadequate and otherwise undesirable in a way that
I don't know why Fitch's reasons to feel this way, but what gets reported a
lot by the spouses left behind by people who have come out while in a
marriage, are feelings like that the whole marriage was a lie ("s/he
never really loved/desired me, s/he likes the other gender") and that
there is just no competing with the other gender. Were the other
person of the same gender as the person being cheated on, the cheated
always could have slimmed down/read up/become more seductive/etc,
or so they think. Instead, they feel utterly defeated by the fact
that the new person is of the other gender: there is just no attaining
that, while the insecurities you mention can be theoretically surmounted.
FJ!!
"Oh, and the dishwasher only burned for a little while" - Jeffrey Sandris
Dan Benfield
das...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (Darren Scott Cobb) writes:
>
>Cancel your credit cards before you come out.
>
>My credit cards are maxed already. I feel invincible.
Amen!
Dan, caught between the Sallie Mae and Chase Visa
<ObMotss: disproportionate motss wealth -- ha!>
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B Slinker
: > In article <31fd5be1...@nnrp.crl.com> tran...@crl.com (Mark
: Roberts) writes:
: > > What happened to my second ex may be instructive. He told his
: > >wife he was gay and he wanted a divorce. She promptly maxed out all
: > >his credit cards, forcing him into bankruptcy court. Amazingly enough,
: > >though, he kept the house and he did manage to pay off the debts.
: >
: > I'm still waiting for the lesson here.
: Well, I can think of a couple offhand.
: The first involves the basic truism that, despite what certain bisexuals
: consistently and tiresomly insist we're all supposed to think whenever the
: topic comes up, those of us without the inbuilt capacity to happly shag
: anything human regardless of plumbing frequently do not consider our
: partners slyly rogering across genders or announcing they want to break up
: because they've discovered the sexual joys of the other 50% to be remotely
: comperable to the notion of their keeping their adulteries safely
: in-house, as it were.
why? the idea of being left (by someone of either gender) for a guy
doesn't bother me nearly as much as the idea of being left for a woman
would. if i get left for a guy, it's because he's a guy and men and women
are different. if i get left for a woman, it's more likely because she's
smarter/prettier/more fun/better in bed/whatever, which would probably
make me feel insecure, inadequate and otherwise undesirable in a way that
simply not being male wouldn't. (note, this is all speculation as
i've never done the monogamous relationship thing). of course, being a
bisexual woman gives me a somewhat different perspective on this sort of
thing. could you explain the logic (if there is any, it's not at all
unreasonable to be guided entirely by one's emotions in this area)
behind your position?
-beth
--
Beth Linker (bsli...@unix.amherst.edu)
http://www.amherst.edu/~bslinker/
"The nice thing about insanity is that you can say the
most whacked things with a str8 face" - Michael Thomas
Nick Fitch
In article <w4ru3uo...@banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu>,
t-wi...@memphis.edu wrote:
>In article <nfitch-3007...@gila.ucsd.edu>
>nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) writes:
>
>>As I've said before, discovering my boyfriend had a
>>history of playing Heterosexual Hide The Salami would miff me quite
>>considerably, and probably spectacularly.
>
>Well, at least he's not a Christian. Lord knows we don't need to hear
>that tired old rant again.
Well of course he isn't. You can spot christians a mile off but closet
heteros tend to look just like everyone else.
Speaking of tired old rants, though, do you suppose you could find it in
yourself to spare us the impression of a college professor hoisting the
Confederate flag and screaming impreciations at the top of his voice next
time someone points out that the South is widely known for its rednecks?
--
"I don't know, Scotty.....maybe it's just the *idea* of an inflatable rubber starship that bothers me." -- John M. Ford, 'How Much For Just The Planet?'
Carl Hoffman
B Slinker <bsli...@unix.amherst.edu> wrote in article
<4to43u$s...@tom.amherst.edu>...
<previous posts snipped>
> why? the idea of being left (by someone of either gender) for a guy
> doesn't bother me nearly as much as the idea of being left for a woman
> would. if i get left for a guy, it's because he's a guy and men and women
> are different. if i get left for a woman, it's more likely because she's
> smarter/prettier/more fun/better in bed/whatever, which would probably
> make me feel insecure, inadequate and otherwise undesirable in a way that
> simply not being male wouldn't. (note, this is all speculation as
> i've never done the monogamous relationship thing). of course, being a
> bisexual woman gives me a somewhat different perspective on this sort of
> thing. could you explain the logic (if there is any, it's not at all
> unreasonable to be guided entirely by one's emotions in this area)
> behind your position?
>
> -beth
>
> --
> Beth Linker (bsli...@unix.amherst.edu)
> http://www.amherst.edu/~bslinker/
> "The nice thing about insanity is that you can say the
> most whacked things with a str8 face" - Michael Thomas
>
I've been lurking (why does that sound so dirty?) in soc.motss for a while
now and never really had any reason to post, but perhaps I could throw in
my 2 cents ...
About 2 years ago, I broke up with my very last girlfriend. The unusual
thing about that relationship was that we were both pretty sure that I
was/am gay, but she said that she didn't mind and I really didn't want to
know. During the relationship, I eventually succumbed to my inate
biological urgings <grin> and had the best sex in my life (up to that
time). Although we (my ex and I) entered into a relationship knowing it's
likely outcome, we had decided (in retrospect, quite naively) that should I
seek greener (or more well endowed) pastures, we would handle the situation
like adults and not muddy our friendship with a bunch of unnecessary
emotions. Foolish humans!
After I informed her that I had sex with a man (that picked me up from a
bar, no less), our relationship went into an emotional tailspin, despite
our previously agreed upon resolution. Only recently have I been able to
broach the conversation with her (we somehow remained friends ... not as
good as we were before, but we gots what we gots) and I asked her why she
reacted the way she did. Her reply: because, 1. Like it or not, she had
feelings for me that went beyond fuck-buddy. 2. Due to those feelings,
she started questioning the sex we had: did I *ever* enjoy it? Was I
faking it? 3. She had tried to accomodate my particular sexual fantasies
(with interesting toys and such) to no avail. She had explored sexual
things with me that she wouldn't have with a straight man, but despite all
that ... she still couldn't satisfy me. 4. She questioned whether or not I
had ever thought that she was attractive, was I just using her to 'get
off,' was she my convenient front, was our relationship a lie (which, by
the way, I found quite ridiculous because we had discussed the "what if I
sleep with a man" question long before we dated) ... but her point was
whether or not I really cared for her the way that she did for me.
Anyway, to make a long ramble less long, she admitted that she would've
preferred (at that time) that I'd left her for another woman ... with the
caveat that had I done that, we wouldn't be friends today. If I'd left her
for a woman, she wouldn't have questioned her own womanhood, just her
attractiveness/sexual ability/desireability ... known entities. Having a
man leave for another man was unknown emotional turf, and that threw her.
So, after alot of soul searching, she forgave me and herself.
I don't know if this sheds any light on your question or not ...
Carl Hoffman
ca...@erols.com
Tim Wilson
In article <nfitch-3107...@julius.extern.ucsd.edu>
nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) writes:
>Speaking of tired old rants, though, do you suppose you could find it in
>yourself to spare us the impression of a college professor hoisting the
>Confederate flag and screaming impreciations at the top of his voice next
>time someone points out that the South is widely known for its rednecks?
I think you've got me confused with someone else, but that shouldn't
surprise anyone. Show me where I've ever hoisted the Confederate flag
round here or suggested that there aren't rednecks in the South.
Learn to read, moron.
Nick Fitch
In article <w4rbugv...@banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu>,
t-wi...@memphis.edu wrote:
> In article <nfitch-3107...@julius.extern.ucsd.edu>
> nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) writes:
>
> >Speaking of tired old rants, though, do you suppose you could find it in
> >yourself to spare us the impression of a college professor hoisting the
> >Confederate flag and screaming impreciations at the top of his voice next
> >time someone points out that the South is widely known for its rednecks?
>
> I think you've got me confused with someone else, but that shouldn't
> surprise anyone. Show me where I've ever hoisted the Confederate flag
> round here or suggested that there aren't rednecks in the South.
>
> Learn to read, moron.
Ahhh...the sun is shining, the birds are singing, and Tim Wilson is doing
his yearly mating display. Bottom waggling, chest puffed out, the call of
"Show me proof! Show me proof!" echoing across the verdant meadows as he
dances to attract a mate.
If we all keep very quiet and don't disturb him, we may be lucky enough to
see the nest-building.
Nick Fitch
> In article <4to43u$s...@tom.amherst.edu>,
> B Slinker <bsli...@unix.amherst.edu> wrote:
> >In article <nfitch-3007...@gila.ucsd.edu> Nick Fitch wrote:
> >: The first involves the basic truism that, [...] those
> >: of us [who are not bisexual] frequently do not consider our
> >: partners [crossing gender lines in partner-choice]
> >: comperable to the notion of their keeping their adulteries safely
> >: in-house, as it were.
>
> Uh, speak for yourself, ok?
Are you aware of what the word "frequently" implies or are you merely
pretending it's not there.
Nick Fitch
In article <4to43u$s...@tom.amherst.edu>, bsli...@unix.amherst.edu (B
Slinker) wrote:
>In article <nfitch-3007...@gila.ucsd.edu> Nick Fitch wrote:
>
>: The first involves the basic truism that, despite what certain bisexuals
>: consistently and tiresomly insist we're all supposed to think whenever the
>: topic comes up, those of us without the inbuilt capacity to happly shag
>: anything human regardless of plumbing frequently do not consider our
>: partners slyly rogering across genders or announcing they want to break up
>: because they've discovered the sexual joys of the other 50% to be remotely
>: comperable to the notion of their keeping their adulteries safely
>: in-house, as it were.
>
>why? the idea of being left (by someone of either gender) for a guy
>doesn't bother me nearly as much as the idea of being left for a woman
>would. if i get left for a guy, it's because he's a guy and men and women
>are different. if i get left for a woman, it's more likely because she's
>smarter/prettier/more fun/better in bed/whatever, which would probably
>make me feel insecure, inadequate and otherwise undesirable in a way that
>simply not being male wouldn't. (note, this is all speculation as
>i've never done the monogamous relationship thing). of course, being a
>bisexual woman gives me a somewhat different perspective on this sort of
>thing. could you explain the logic (if there is any, it's not at all
>unreasonable to be guided entirely by one's emotions in this area)
>behind your position?
I think any attempt to give a precise and objective description of why we
feel the way we feel will end up as much an exercise in rationalization as
in logic. The human brain has layer after layer whose sole purpose is
sophisticated pattern-matching; we like to find patterns, it's what we're
good at. Ask someone "Why is this so?" and the brain will go into
overdrive trying to connect the dots and synthesize a new layer of
abstraction in which all the dots join up to form a greater image.
Sometimes this is a valid exercise and leads to greater understanding of
how things fit together; but ask someone to do it to their own responses
and emotions and as often as not what you'll get is a mish-mash of real
precursors with spurious "because"s fitted in where necessary to make the
pattern we want to find.
If you ask me to come up with reasons for the way I think and feel the way
I do on this subject or any other, I could come up with a whole slew of
them. But which ones are real and which ones are merely rationalizations
backwards to add dots which can be joined to form the picture of my psyche
which satisfies the pattern-fixation of the brain? And how can you, or I,
tell the difference? And even if you could tell the difference, does that
mean the rest, the true precursors, can be pinned down like a butterfly
and labelled "Cause of Nick's dislike of bisexuality", or "Cause of Nick's
violent tendencies concerning being cheated on, or left, for a woman"?
Could anyone then read those reasons and exclaim "Aha! I understand it
perfectly now!", whether they felt the same way or not?
Sometimes things simply *are*, or at least that's to say that the reasons
*why* they are are not capable of being explained, even to ourselves; even
if we knew them. Some things can only be intuited or not intuited.
Intuited if you feel similarly, not-intuited if you don't. When it comes
to sexuality, I understand the sexual attraction towards men. I
comprehend it because my brain is wired up to comprehend it. Because I
share it, and so understanding is automatic. The sexual attraction
towards women is not something I can intuit or understand because my brain
is simply not capable of sharing in it to even the smallest degree. That
doesn't mean, of course, that I refuse to believe it exists; since that
would be ridiculous given that it self-evidently does. But it's utterly
alien to me and I will never be capable of understanding it in the same
way that a two dimensional being could ever truely *understand* a cube,
for example. Mathematically describe the *possibility* of an object
existing in a dimension he doesn't exist in, yes, the same way our
three-dimensional mathematicians describe tesseracts, but it simply isn't
possible to synthesize that intellectual exercise into your own personal
experience and understanding.
Incomprehension, of course, is only part of the "reason" - if a truely
unifying reason for my attitude could ever be said to exist in the form
for which you're asking. There are other parts too, based on other
feelings like betrayal and a variety of more personal and private
emotions. Can any or all of them and the causes behind *them* and the
causes behind the causes and so on, ad infinitum, be considered the
logical reason for why this is the way I am when it comes to the subject
of potential lovers who want sex with women?
And the precis of all this wittering is basically that while I could
answer your question, there is absolutely no reason to suppose that the
answer would mean anything. And that after all the arguments and the
refutations and the displays of logic or illogic intended to demonstrate
that my "reasons" are wrong, I'd still feel exactly the same way and
everyone's time would have been wasted. Including mine.
--Nick
Tim Wilson
In article <nfitch-0108...@gila.ucsd.edu>
nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) writes:
Surely someone who hobnobs with Watson (or was it Crick?) and then
name-drops about it is smart enough to provide some modicum of
supporting evidence for characterizations about someone else's writing
in a textual medium. Even if you don't have the relevant text at
hand, maybe you could bring up a couple of specific examples from
memory.
>If we all keep very quiet and don't disturb him, we may be lucky enough to
>see the nest-building.
I don't apologize for my place of birth, the places of my living, the
social classes of my friends, the races of the people I know and live
around, to you or anyone else. My posts regarding the South, its
people, its role (and the role of race) in American history, and its
role in twentieth-century English literature display an awareness of
the subtleties and contradictions, the failures and glories, the
distinctions and commonalities, in life that your tiresome rants
regarding either bisexuality or religion never have and, very likely,
never will. Now, piss off.
Jess Anderson
In article <tevansonD...@netcom.com>,
Tim Evanson <teva...@netcom.com> wrote:
>he made the tapes while marred to her.)
Certainly worthy of an entry in the Felicitous Typos collection.
--
Jess's homepage URL is http://www-jsbach.macc.wisc.edu/~anderson/
Copyright 1996 Jess Anderson. *All rights reserved.* Copying in
whole or in part prohibited except for direct response on Usenet.
--
<> Lawyers, I suppose, were children once.
<> -- Charles Lamb
--
Opinions expressed herein have no connection with the UW-Madison.
Jess Anderson ande...@doit.wisc.edu
Nick Fitch
In article <w4rvif2...@banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu>,
t-wi...@memphis.edu wrote:
> I don't apologize for my place of birth, the places of my living, the
> social classes of my friends, the races of the people I know and live
> around, to you or anyone else. My posts regarding the South, its
> people, its role (and the role of race) in American history, and its
> role in twentieth-century English literature display an awareness of
> the subtleties and contradictions, the failures and glories, the
> distinctions and commonalities, in life that your tiresome rants
> regarding either bisexuality or religion never have and, very likely,
> never will. Now, piss off.
My dear, I'm afraid I'm here to stay. Now you have a simple choice of (1)
continuing your uninspired curmudgeon act and accepting that it'll merely
get you ridiculed when you try it on me, (2) acting your age next time and
restraining your adolescent impulse to make snotty non-sequitur comments
about my opinion of religion when it and they have precisely no relevance
to the context at hand, or (3) accepting that killfiles are your friends
and dropping /nfitch@*/ into it with my blessing. Now shit or get off the
pot. Was that sufficiently Southern for you? Or would you prefer
"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"?
And given your paragraph above I suggest you give your Dignity a thorough
workout, before its ponderous weight puts your spine out.
--Nick.
Derik K Cowan
Nick Nussbaum (ni...@nickn.seanet.com) wrote:
: In article <amiles-2907...@amiles.port.net>, ami...@interport.net
: (alan miles) wrote:
: > In article <4t6j6s$8...@news.ycc.yale.edu>, ell...@minerva.cis.yale.edu
: > (Alex Elliott) wrote:
: >
: > >
: > > Anyway, not only is his wife using this video (along with Mr. Bruton's
: > > alleged steriod abuse) in an effort to divorce him and presumably get
: > > sole custody of their loinfruit, but his employers (the middle school,
: > >... plan to fire him and get his Virginia teaching license revoked.
: >
: > I cannot believe this woman exists. What kind of horrible person would do
: > this do her husband? I am shocked that this sort of thing happens in
: > 1996.
: I take it you've haven't watched many divorces.
My favorite show as a child was Divorce Court. When Mom started working
when I got into Junior High, I'd "get sick" all the time so I could stay home
and watch it.
Derik, noting that quite a few of those Hubbys were gay and
sleeping with their wives' lovers
--
Derik K Cowan Angel: Let me be your faggot, sir.
dkc...@unix.amherst.edu Orgone: Are you an angel?
de...@mtcc.com Angel: No, Orgone, I'm a fairy.
-Charles Ludlam, _Turds in Hell_
Tim Evanson
alan miles (ami...@interport.net) wrote:
: In article <DvBK2...@mtcc.com>, x...@mtcc.com (Queen of the Damned) wrote:
: >
: > I would be more than a little miffed if my husband hadn't
: > bothered to mention that he was a gay porn star. For
: > (go figure) who is generally being painted as the "good
: > guy" because his closet door has been opened and his
: > wife wants a divorce.
: One, we don't know the facts of what "Ty Fox" told his wife or didn't
: (though I imagine you're analysis is correct). He may in fact have told
: her only to see her dump him when it became public.
Um...of course we know the sequence of events. The Post's published
accounts, verified by statements made by Fox/Bruton's agent (also in the
Post, but also in the Washington Blade), are that Fox's wife found out
via a friend. She filed for divorce. Confronting one another (no idea
who confronted who, really), he admitted it to her. Fox/Bruton's agent
and lawyer agree he did the videos (not that he's gay), but say that her
divorce petition doesn't prima facially prove that he did them while
married to her. (That's a problem easily rectified by her, since federal
law requires date of manufacture on almost any porn tape made since about
1988. Clearly, if you pay attention to the legalese preceding his tapes,
he made the tapes while marred to her.)
: We don't know if he
: regrets this particular point in his life, when he was probably quite
: young.
Uh....he made his last tape, HOT DAY IN L.A., probably in December,
1995. Anyone implying he made the tapes "while he was young, before he
was married" is not looking at the evidence.
: We do that America is accepting of some men admitting to and
: regretting their youthful discreions. Say, drug use. What if he had been
: in a straight porn film? Do you think the uproar would have been anything
: like this? I doubt it.
Probably the same, although I doubt it might have gotten the local TV
coverage that Fox/Bruton has gotten. Look at the example of the teacher
in Massachusetts, I believe, who did het porn. He got canned, too.
: We HAVE heard he was a good and admired coach. I
: beleive this would be the primary reason for him to keep a job, although
: the steroid use is troubling around young boys.
Or girls. And troubling given that he's a HEALTH teacher.
: I sense a strong
: homophobic theme, here. And I sense very little attempt to forgive,
: understand, or forget. It pisses me off.
No doubt there is a strong anti-gay animus motivating many in Loudoun
County. No doubt that's true in most of Virginia, especially at the
state level (inclusive of courts, legislature, and executive). Is that
ALL that's motivating this? No. There's also the general and
very strong conservative bias against porn as a whole. There's also the
general public bias (not quite so strong) against porn as a whole.
There's also the myth among parents and the public that school teachers
are somehow in a unique position (and presidents, senators, judges,
corporate heads, and others are not) to mold young minds and therefore
they should be paragons of virtue.
As for forgiving, I don't see why... I mean, I don't care one whit if he
did gay porn. I adore the stuff (although he was a rotten actor!). But
he went into this with his eyes WIDE open. He did gay porn almost as
soon as he graduated from college and got his job in Virginia. And thus
far, his agent has said he intends to CONTINUE in gay porn. Nothing to
forgive.
Understand? Oh, I can understand his motivation simply enough. The
closet's a strong thing, and yet so is money, steroid abuse, and
adulation by a host of panting gay men.
Forget? Why should anyone? I mean, it's not like he did this as an
experiment. It's not like he did this without knowing what he was
risking, or not knowing what the consequences (even if I disagree with
the imposition of those consequences) would be.
I kind of treat Fox/Bruton's adventures of late like someone who flashes
a lot of money in a bad neighborhood and then gets mugged. I feel
compassion, sorrow, and all the rest of the person. I don't like that he
or she got mugged. But ya gotta be some kinda stupid to think you could
do that and not get hurt.
See ya...
Tim
--
alan miles
In article <DvBK2...@mtcc.com>, x...@mtcc.com (Queen of the Damned) wrote:
>
> I would be more than a little miffed if my husband hadn't
> bothered to mention that he was a gay porn star. For
> that matter, and over here, we've got a closeted porn star
> (go figure) who is generally being painted as the "good
> guy" because his closet door has been opened and his
> wife wants a divorce.
One, we don't know the facts of what "Ty Fox" told his wife or didn't
(though I imagine you're analysis is correct). He may in fact have told
her only to see her dump him when it became public. We don't know if he
regrets this particular point in his life, when he was probably quite
young. We do that America is accepting of some men admitting to and
regretting their youthful discreions. Say, drug use. What if he had been
in a straight porn film? Do you think the uproar would have been anything
like this? I doubt it. We HAVE heard he was a good and admired coach. I
beleive this would be the primary reason for him to keep a job, although
the steroid use is troubling around young boys. I sense a strong
homophobic theme, here. And I sense very little attempt to forgive,
understand, or forget. It pisses me off.
>
> I am quite sure that a homosexual male who discovered he
> was gay and insisted on divorcing his wife would also be
> considered the "good guy" - because, after all, it was
> his idea.
Frankly I, and almost all the gay men I know, would consider him a
manipulative coward. I've seen children and women wrecked because their
gay husbands "led a lie" for so long. My boyfriend was one such child.
Alan Miles
san...@usa.pipeline.com
Ah, everyone's getting so worked up about Ty...
I think he needs to get away for a little while so he can regroup and go
back to giht the bigots.
I'm clearing off a place on my chin for him.
--
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A little ditty to brighten your days:
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Circles of a human chain
Turning for the wheels of gain
A system with a power of its own
To draw blood from a stone
Every hour like the last
Tomorrow like the day just past
Bearing down on mind and flesh and bone
They draw blood from a stone
Cold machines that never stop
Even if a man should drop
Mercy never lets her face be shown
They draw blood from a stone
--- "Capitalism (Blood from a Stone)" by Cycle V
"METROPOLIS"
Cheers, thanks a lot, sweetie, darling.
ABulous
In article <4tscti$6...@news2.h1.usa.pipeline.com> san...@usa.pipeline.com() writes:
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>A little ditty to brighten your days:
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>--- "Capitalism (Blood from a Stone)" by Cycle V "METROPOLIS"
I am simply *stunned* by these lyrics. Who knew it was really like
this?
Harry
--
Harry A. Kaplan, Ph.D., IRC nick: ABulous
e-mail: hka...@panix.com, web: <http://www.panix.com/~hkaplan>
Brian Kane
Dan Benfield:
>Darren Scott Cobb:
>>Cancel your credit cards before you come out.
>>My credit cards are maxed already. I feel invincible.
>Amen!
The best advice I've heard is that if you max out
on _one_ (hopefully your one and only) card, it
is wise not to even use the others (if any) _at_all_.
Never use a credit card for a one-use item like a
meal out at a restaurant. Pay for things by check
or cash or debit card. If you are lucky enough
to have a reserve credit line attached to your
checking, at least the interest rate isn't as high.
Also, keep your checkbook balanced monthly.
If you find yourself "desperately needing" to buy
things you don't have the money to pay for, do
this first: think of every possible way to cut
your monthly overhead and do it. Only after that
should you use your credit card, and only when
necessary.
Anyhoo, someone told me it was unwise to carry a credit
card debt larger than one month's net income.
--
Brian Douglas Kane~~ka...@buast7.bu.edu~~http://buast7.bu.edu/~kane/
"Sailor bunk agenda: reload baking anus. Balkan road genius, urban
snake dialog. Bunks ordeal again---grain leaks abound. Gabor nude
in 'laska!" --- http://www.infobahn.com/pages/anagram.html
Tim Wilson
In article <nfitch-0208...@rufus.ucsd.edu>
nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) writes:
>In article <w4rvif2...@banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu>,
>t-wi...@memphis.edu wrote:
>
>> I don't apologize for my place of birth, the places of my living, the
>> social classes of my friends, the races of the people I know and live
>> around, to you or anyone else. My posts regarding the South, its
>> people, its role (and the role of race) in American history, and its
>> role in twentieth-century English literature display an awareness of
>> the subtleties and contradictions, the failures and glories, the
>> distinctions and commonalities, in life that your tiresome rants
>> regarding either bisexuality or religion never have and, very likely,
>> never will. Now, piss off.
>
>My dear, I'm afraid I'm here to stay.
Now that much I expected. Sorry if you took it literally. I guess
that's not surprising from someone who can't deal with a two-line
funny followup to an oh-so-typical flaming about bisexuality that
references previous oh-so-typical flamings about religion.
> Now you have a simple choice of (1)
>continuing your uninspired curmudgeon act and accepting that it'll merely
>get you ridiculed when you try it on me, (2) acting your age next time and
>restraining your adolescent impulse to make snotty non-sequitur comments
>about my opinion of religion when it and they have precisely no relevance
>to the context at hand, or (3) accepting that killfiles are your friends
>and dropping /nfitch@*/ into it with my blessing.
The day your of'times clever but distant from reality "ridicule" comes
anywhere close to the mark, I might reconsider. For now, though, I've
made 3 of 3, while you've missed the bullseye each time. I guess I
should thank you for setting me up so well.
Oh yeah: I post what I damn well want to, I read what I damn well want
to, and I followup what I damn well want to. Of course, if you think
that killfiles are the answer to this kind of question, you can edit
your own to your heart's content, but I think I'll pass on your
suggestion.
> Now shit or get off the
>pot. Was that sufficiently Southern for you? Or would you prefer
>"Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"?
I would prefer that you weren't such a horse's ass, but there's really
not much I can do about it.
>And given your paragraph above I suggest you give your Dignity a thorough
>workout, before its ponderous weight puts your spine out.
Hey! I take your posts regarding neurobiology as my model of
Ponderous Weightiness.
Michael Thomas
nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu (Nick Fitch) writes:
> In article <DvFAH...@spdcc.com>, f...@spdcc.com (FJ!!) wrote:
> > >In article <nfitch-3007...@gila.ucsd.edu> Nick Fitch wrote:
> > >: The first involves the basic truism that, [...] those
> > >: of us [who are not bisexual] frequently do not consider our
> > >: partners [crossing gender lines in partner-choice]
> > >: comperable to the notion of their keeping their adulteries safely
> > >: in-house, as it were.
> >
> > Uh, speak for yourself, ok?
>
> Are you aware of what the word "frequently" implies or are you merely
> pretending it's not there.
Then surely you'll see the absurdity of
modifying "truism" with "frequently". Either it is
a truism, or it isn't. Since "truism" cannot be
elided, logically, "frequently" is not there in
any real sense.
--
Michael Thomas (mi...@mtcc.com http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/)
"Give me all of your money, you disgusting fruit!" --
Spats Ransom to Chaz after a fruitless search
for change between the sofa cushions.
Michael Thomas
Tim Pierce <twpi...@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:
> In article <v768701...@fasolt.mtcc.com>,
> Michael Thomas <mi...@fasolt.mtcc.com> wrote:
> > In article <nfitch-3007...@gila.ucsd.edu> Nick Fitch wrote:
> >> > >: The first involves the basic truism that, [...] those
> >> > >: of us [who are not bisexual] frequently do not consider our
> >> > >: partners [crossing gender lines in partner-choice]
> >> > >: comperable to the notion of their keeping their adulteries safely
> >> > >: in-house, as it were.
> >
> > Then surely you'll see the absurdity of
> >modifying "truism" with "frequently".
>
> Surely he will, for he did not do so. In that sentence, "truism"
> stands for the entire remainder of the sentence, in which
> "frequently" modifies "those of us," and is understood to mean
> "many of us."
If there is a truism -- a truth too obvious to
necessitate elaborating -- why should it need
qualification? Doesn't sound much like a
self-evident truth when it has all kinds of
riders and exceptions.
In any case, I think the veracity of his
"truism" is highly debatable. Some people are
going to go postal and need huge, drippy needles
of brain chemicals, and other people will handle
it somewhat more sanely. Some will think the
OS->SS/SS->OS is the worst possible way to lose a
lover, and other will find that losing somebody
who you can "compete" with sucks out loud.
If my lover ditched me for some het babe, I'd
probably laugh at both of them for their
stupidity. Then of course my idea of a
relationship doesn't center around shackles
either, so the added sting of losing one's trophy
isn't in the forefront of my psyche.
> And of course, this is *really* all about Nick's writing skills
> and his grasp of English, isn't it?
Of course not. It's about your wife.
FJ!!
In article <nfitch-0108...@gila.ucsd.edu>,
Nick Fitch <nfi...@popmail.ucsd.edu> wrote:
>In article <DvFAH...@spdcc.com>, f...@spdcc.com (FJ!!) wrote:
>> >In article <nfitch-3007...@gila.ucsd.edu> Nick Fitch wrote:
>> >: The first involves the basic truism that, [...] those
>> >: of us [who are not bisexual] frequently do not consider our
>> >: partners [crossing gender lines in partner-choice]
>> >: comperable to the notion of their keeping their adulteries safely
>> >: in-house, as it were.
>Are you aware of what the word "frequently" implies or are you merely
>pretending it's not there.
No, I am obviously interpreting it as modifying different units in the
sentence than you do. Still, the vastly sweeping tone of this ("basic
truism", "frequently") still make me say "Uh, speak for yourself, ok?"
I am sure you will deal with it.
FJ!!
"The cow is her own mistress." - Marina Muilwijk
Christopher William Niemitz
In article <jbnimbleD...@netcom.com>,
Jack B. Nimble <jbni...@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Coincidentally, the issue of leaving one's spouse and/or lover for
>somebody of a different sexual orientation that you and Beth have both
>discussed is treated in an uncommonly good movie and gay farce titled
>_Maybe, Maybe Not_ (Der Bewegte Mann), My understanding is that it is
Not! This movie is not about a man leaving his GF for a boy...
(but then again that's not what the Ty Fox scandal is about either)
It is about tiresome cliches.... a straight man who can't
stop cruising & fucking other girls...a straight woman who
gets mad at her man for cheating, throws him out, but can't
stop thinking about him...an (older) gay man that silently
& distantly desires the straight boy.
While there are a few funny moments in the beginning of the movie, the cliches
get tired after a while. Even though the movie was 90 minutes,
I felt i was in the theater for over 2 hours & was anxious for it to end.
The characters are lifeless, the plot is thin & the acting
is poor...
This theme was presented in a much intelligent & interesting
fashion in "Threesome."
...a tv docudrama of the Ty Fox scandal would be much more
interesting as well....