Yes, I actually watched Melrose Place

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Richard McKewen

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I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox.

Geesh! How disgusting. The cast consisted of nothing
but beautiful (?) people. I know that _we_ are not *that*
omnipresent.

But in spite of that, I was amused. The bit about the girl
who has her honors degree from some east coast school, and
is now working as a receptionist; sad, but true to life.

And there's the token homosexual amongst the beautiful people.....

It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment
to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted
her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."

Later, when another beautiful person moves into the building, the
token homosexual tells the token black female that he thinks the
new guy is cute, TBF says she saw him first, and they proceed to
get into some kind of friendly slap fight. Then at the end of the
show, after TBF had a date with a jerk, TBF tells TH that she hates
men, dating, etc., and why can't they date: "we get along great,
we have fun together, I like talking to you, etc., blah blah blah."
TH says there's a slight problem: sexual attraction. "But there's
a special person for you and a special person for me." (why didn't
he say there's a special MAN for you and a special MAN for me---now
that would have been worth noting....)

And that was about it for the TH. One and half hours and he got
about 5 minutes total air time.

So will the writers give him more later, after the straight audience
has been "hooked" and hence more likely to accept gay themes?

Or will he always be stuck with five minutes of obscure platitudinal
(is that a word?) comments that could-maybe-if-you-think-real-hard
actually be interpreted as being an expression of his sexuality.

So is the TH cute? I guess so. Very pretty. Washboard stomach,
great pecs, nice arms, cute smile, yummy butt, twinkly eyes,
but *no* body hair (?!?!). Some well distributed chest hair
might be nice.

But I'm not complaining. :-}

He does seem to dress like Marky Mark, though.

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Ken ``Blackfur'' Jones

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Jul 9, 1992, 3:29:47 PM7/9/92
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remc...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:

>I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox.

<guiltily raising another hand>

>And there's the token homosexual amongst the beautiful people.....

>It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment
>to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted
>her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."

That's what I thought I heard, too. Then upon further reflection, I
realized that he must have said "street kids." After all, he *does*
work for a shelter.

>So will the writers give him more later, after the straight audience
>has been "hooked" and hence more likely to accept gay themes?

Supposedly, yes. Or so goes the story in The Advocate. And he's
supposed to tend to fall for "non-stereotypical" men, like a guy with
a kid. Perhaps around episode 6.

Uh oh. I admitted to watching Melrose Place and reading The Advocate
all in the same article. I'm toast...

- Ken

BEEZER

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Jul 9, 1992, 6:46:00 PM7/9/92
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In article <1992Jul9...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, remc...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes...

>It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment
>to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted
>her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."


Since I was 'looking' for the comments, I thought the same thing at
first. But I think it was in reference to 'fifteen clean kids', as
in not using drugs - that is what he said he was trying to do - find
things for kids to do other than take drugs.

My hope is that they don't make him the one that has to deal with
all issues about AIDS - just because he's the "TH" (the homosexual).

henry.o.tirado

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Jul 9, 1992, 5:42:25 PM7/9/92
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In article <1992Jul9...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> remc...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:
>I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox.
>
I saw it too ... without knowing about its homosexual content (in this case
the very little there was of it), so I think THAT would be a little more
embarrassing to reveal :-). I was waiting for the retelecast of "Longtime
Companion."

>And there's the token homosexual amongst the beautiful people.....
>It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment
>to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted
>her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."

You picked up all the references to his sexuality, 'cause he had VERY
LITTLE AIR TIME, and the show'd hint in each of his little scenes.

I hope he doesn't turn into the "voice of happy reasoning" for the rest
of the cast. After all, everyone else was showcased with a problem or
a storyline except him. We know the producers probably didn't want to scare
the potential straight audience off in the debut. I hope they will indeed
use him as a MAIN CAST member and not as a recurring one.

>So is the TH cute?

YES!!

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Bob Donahue

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Jul 9, 1992, 8:50:51 PM7/9/92
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remc...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:
>I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox.

>Geesh! How disgusting. The cast consisted of nothing
>but beautiful (?) people. I know that _we_ are not *that*
>omnipresent.

Who you callin' "we"? My GBLO* community is diverse enough to
include "the beautiful people", "The people who THINK they are the beautiful
people", "the people who know they are not but wish they were the beautiful
people", "the people who don't care one way or another about being one of
the beautiful people", "the people who want nothing whatsoever to do with
being part of the beautiful people", "the people who woulnd't know
one of the beautiful people if they bit them ont he ass", and all
the other permutations in a Zen-squared sort of way there are.

Sorry to hear about yours....

Why don't you have some fun and hjoin us on the clue bus?

BBC

John Dorrance

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Jul 10, 1992, 3:02:50 AM7/10/92
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I watched it, and I guess I kinda liked it. It was nice how the queer guy
(no chest hair; damn. But the 'ladies' man' guy, though... ooh baby! I
guess it's another example of 'only bad guys are hairy' bias... watch
Disney's Beauty and the Beast. You'll see.) was working for a shelter.
Gives him a nice 'selfless caring for others' feel, while taking the 'all
homoseckshuls are child molesters' screech and dealing with it directly.
But still...

h...@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (henry.o.tirado) writes:

>>And there's the token homosexual amongst the beautiful people.....
>>It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment
>>to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted
>>her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."

(I hoped this comment meant that TBF (who had groovy hair, anyway) was
queer, too. No such luck, though she still could be bi...)

>I hope he doesn't turn into the "voice of happy reasoning" for the rest
>of the cast. After all, everyone else was showcased with a problem or
>a storyline except him. We know the producers probably didn't want to scare
>the potential straight audience off in the debut. I hope they will indeed
>use him as a MAIN CAST member and not as a recurring one.

I doubt he'll be a very interesting character. Far too aw-shucks, beam-
ing-n-aggreable to ever suffer strife. I think maybe he'll be pretty
asexual, too... I mean, he just ventured a lukewarm 'he's cute' when he
saw the new guy (who had groovy hair, too). Why not an offhand 'I'd do
'im'? I think they're only going to allude to his sexuality enough to
be able to say 'Hey, look! We've got a Positive Homosexual Character!',
while having him be mildly attractive scenery and confidant-to-the-black-
girl. I'd love to be provven wrong, though, and will keep watching.

Gaydar aside: I knew right away which one was the faggot...

>>So is the TH cute?

>YES!!

Meh... far too Ken-doll for me...

One last bitch about the show: exactly how frequently can we expect to
see people being tossed into the pool for warm-comedic effect? I'm
gagging...

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In article <thaaang.710751770@odin> tha...@odin.unomaha.edu (John Dorrance) writes:
>it's another example of 'only bad guys are hairy' bias...

You ignorant child! Body hair is the sign that *SATAN* is in your flesh!
working his *WICKED* *PERVERTED* *LUSTFUL* ways upon you, you must *THRUST*
him out! Repent of your *SINFUL* thoughts, and *BEASTLY* passions. Now
take off your clothes, Grandmama has Nair with baby oil just for you.

KKruella
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Richard McKewen

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Jul 10, 1992, 12:44:11 PM7/10/92
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In article <1992Jul9.2...@cbfsb.cb.att.com>, h...@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (henry.o.tirado) writes:
>
> After all, everyone else was showcased with a problem or
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Golly, what does that say about the twenty-something generation?

I admit, I'm a member of that group, Generation X, and my friends
and I seem to have more problems to showcase than other groups.

Or is it just a sort of ego-centrism on our part.

Anyone out there read _Generation_X_ by Douglas Coupland (sp?)?
An excellent first novel for this guy, and Melrose Place seems
to be banking on and tapping into this segment of the population
(if not directly emulating the novel).

For those of you who have read the novel, I love the margin notes
(flahbacks to dry college textbooks). Veal fattening pens and
recreational slumming are two I'm all too familiar with. I borrowed
the book from a friend, and now wish I had my own copy just for
the margin notes. And what was the one about developing a philosophy
based on old sitcoms: it's just like the time that Jan lost her
glasses.....


>
>>So is the TH cute?
>
> YES!!
>

I said before, and I'll say it again: I'm not complaining....

Jake Coughlin

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Jul 10, 1992, 4:44:26 PM7/10/92
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remc...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen):

>> After all, everyone else was showcased with a problem or
>
> Anyone out there read _Generation_X_ by Douglas Coupland (sp?)?
> An excellent first novel for this guy, and Melrose Place seems
> to be banking on and tapping into this segment of the population
> (if not directly emulating the novel).

i have read about 1/2 of it so far, being distracted from it by
work and a novel written by a close friend. however, i have read
enough to think that there isn't a parallel between Melrose Place
and _Generation X_.

i watched Melrose Place, and my first thought was "you assholes
call THIS shit problematic?" these pukes are white, upper-Middle
to lower-Upper class background whiners who seem more isolated
from the 20-something crowd than 3rd world babies. Desmond Tutu
could tell you more about what it's like being 20-something in our
culture than the writers of MP, which, btw, seems to be the grand
prize for a middle-school writing contest.

in contrast, the characters in _GX_ are handling much deeper issues,
but i still have a hard time equating them with 20-something. they just
try a bit too hard to be Generation Andy Warhol if he just had a bit
more Ecstasy -- it would be awfully stressful to be in their
relationship, trying to be so witty and creative all the time, and yet,
at the same time, trying to fail so energetically.

so what's it like being 20-something? well, i can only answer for
myself. i'm not the best candidate since everyone i identify
with is actually 30 or older, but ... maybe that's part of it.

my parents tell me they were hell-raisers when they were my age,
going to woodstock, playing around with free love, being political
by following the crowd, etc. they went in search of their lives
instead of planning it. it was possible to skip school and drive
across the country, making money with odd jobs, then settle down
later.

now, at 23, i'm already part of that system of credit cards, a
full-time career, bills, taxes. i'm facing political backlash of
the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and there aren't any leaders, only placcards.
i haven't really found my situation so much as i find myself IN
a situation. there seem to be more variables today and not much
guidance or latitude on what they mean.

while MP seems to hit some of these areas, it does so only
superficially in my mind. it's more of a product of our culture
than a reflection of it.
--
Jason Coughlin ( ja...@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )
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"I find myself suddenly in the world, and I recognize that I have one
right alone: that of demanding human behavior of the other." -- Fanon

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In article <1992Jul10.2...@watson.ibm.com>, ja...@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com
(Jake Coughlin) writes:

[Stuff about Melrose Place deleted]

> it's more of a product of our culture
> than a reflection of it.

Hunh? Wanna run that by me again?

How can something be a product of our culture *without* being a reflection
of it?

> Jason Coughlin ( ja...@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com )


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Jake Coughlin

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tdo...@llnl.gov:

>> it's more of a product of our culture
>> than a reflection of it.
>
> Hunh? Wanna run that by me again?
>
> How can something be a product of our culture *without* being a reflection
> of it?

yeah, that wasn't worded too intuitively -- i even got stuck on that
when i wrote it, but i was too lazy to rewrite it. [i was also late
for ST:TNG.]

would you consider Beverly Hills 90210 to be a reflection of
high school kids? or, would you consider BH90210 to be a
product *sold* to high school kids? i accept the latter and
laugh my ass off at the former...
--

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Penn Collins

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Jul 10, 1992, 9:58:33 AM7/10/92
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remc...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:

> I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox.

(nice description deleted that allows me to fake having watched
the show, tho I didn't- thanks for the synopsis!)


> So is the TH cute? I guess so. Very pretty. Washboard stomach,
> great pecs, nice arms, cute smile, yummy butt, twinkly eyes,
> but *no* body hair (?!?!). Some well distributed chest hair
> might be nice.

but we ALL know that hair (and fat) are NOT hip (bullchit!)
maybe he and the TBF can have a 'waxing VS nair' discussion?


>
> He does seem to dress like Marky Mark, though.

gosh, according to media, I thought they ALL did in California
(I am from the South, therefore I wear bib overalls and have sex
with my relatives (when not working on the transmission in the front
yard....)

Tom Barrett

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Jul 10, 1992, 5:37:02 PM7/10/92
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AGGGGGGGGGH!!! AGGGGGGGGH!!! AGGGGGGGGGH!!!

Sorry about that, but I saw my taped Melrose Place last night and I
just had to get that off my chest.

They spent most of the hour letting us get to know all those other
characters (the only one that I could feel with was the black aerobics
instructor... a vitamin slaesman tried to use his sexuality to get her
to sell his pills), but we only got to see a very small peek at the
gay character (AND WHERE THE HELL ARE THE LESBIANS!)... basically we
know that he helps run a shelter, has a nice body, isn't a queen (no
offense), is asexual having not been able to find anyone (ie. safe for
TV), eats healthy, and his apartment is apparently a mess (we didn't
go in). Jeez... after all the hoopla about not just another token gay
character! I just hope to gosh they devote an episode (soon) to this
guy, his life, his loves, and his shelter.

AGGGGGGGGH!!!

Sorry, last one... til next Wed, at least :)
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Shawn Hicks

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Jul 11, 1992, 7:56:13 PM7/11/92
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In article <1992Jul9...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, remc...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:
>I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox.
>
>Geesh! How disgusting. The cast consisted of nothing
>but beautiful (?) people. I know that _we_ are not *that*
>omnipresent.

>And there's the token homosexual amongst the beautiful people.....

"token"? Would you have prefered *no* queer character? Or maybe a pshycho
queen? A man killing lesbian? There was also a token doctor, a token doctor's
wife, a token single woman, etc... please. *Why* was he (the gay character)
"token"?

>It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment
>to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted
>her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."

Geez... the straight kids line might have been easy to miss, but when he
drooled over the new resident, no one could have missed that. And then
he says he has no physical attraction for a women. Get a clue. It didn't
take a big neon pink arrow to spot him for queer. Did you notice he was
wearing political Tshirts?

>Later, when another beautiful person moves into the building, the
>token homosexual tells the token black female that he thinks the

A gee, a token black too... *I* thought she was well played.

>And that was about it for the TH. One and half hours and he got
>about 5 minutes total air time.

Maybe if they had him screw the new cute roomie you'd have been more
impressed? I thought the idea was to put a bunch of people in an
apartment complex and tell us about their lives, two of which happen
to be Black and Homosexual. I was happy that they didn't toss his
queerness all over the place, but instead showed his *humanity*, part
of which was gay.

>So will the writers give him more later, after the straight audience
>has been "hooked" and hence more likely to accept gay themes?

Maybe they just wanted to represent queers, and give *us* something to
relate to. Why does a queer character have to be for the straights??? Why
can't she/he be for *us*.

>Or will he always be stuck with five minutes of obscure platitudinal
>(is that a word?) comments that could-maybe-if-you-think-real-hard
>actually be interpreted as being an expression of his sexuality.

Oh gawd, it wasn't that hard to figure out. Maybe you are just too used
the flaming queen/bull dyke stereotypes and can't see a queer character
unless they are spewing that one small part of their personhood all over
the tube.

>So is the TH cute? I guess so. Very pretty. Washboard stomach,
>great pecs, nice arms, cute smile, yummy butt, twinkly eyes,
>but *no* body hair (?!?!). Some well distributed chest hair
>might be nice.

You didn't mention his redish hair. Shame on you.

>But I'm not complaining. :-}

could have fooled me.


Shawn, who liked the show in spite of its fluffiness. Isn't it nice to see
a doctor and his wife not having a *perfect* life on tv??

Karl MacRae - Burnin' with Optimism's Flames

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>It wasn't subtle, but not too overt either. He made some comment
>to the token black female about going to work at the shelter, he wanted
>her to come along: "it'll be just us and fifteen straight kids."


No, no, no, it was "just us and fifteen STREET kids..."


Sorry to disapoint you....


-Karl


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Tom Barrett

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>Now take off your clothes, Grandmama has Nair with baby oil just for you.

YIPES! Only for charity :)

Tom Barrett

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Jul 11, 1992, 3:25:20 PM7/11/92
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>Why not an offhand 'I'd do 'im'?

I don't think the character was that type of guy... he is more
of a romantic type, don't you think? Hopefully, the writers
will wake up and realize that the lonely token homosexual
needs a mate... I think it would be so cool to see them
relaxing by the pool imbracing and kissing, or just walking as
one down the street like any other normal couples. But, I'm afraid
that in this case, non-stereotypical homosexual means celibate
lonely homosexual.

Jess Anderson

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to...@tandon.com (Tom Barrett) writes:

>But, I'm afraid
>that in this case, non-stereotypical homosexual means celibate
>lonely homosexual.

What's non-stereotypical about that? The hate-folks mustn't
be given any fuel along the lines of the idea that maybe we
actually fuck or fall in love or anything gross like that.
Especially not in prime time. God forbid if we should be
seen as having *actual* "family values."

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John Dorrance

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Jul 12, 1992, 6:30:06 AM7/12/92
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bfb...@penn.Gwinnett.COM (Penn Collins) writes:

>remc...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:

>> He does seem to dress like Marky Mark, though.
> gosh, according to media, I thought they ALL did in California
> (I am from the South, therefore I wear bib overalls and have sex
> with my relatives (when not working on the transmission in the front
> yard....)

Relatives? you mean you're related to livestock?

Towheaded, stupid, and looking for a corncob to load,

Frank Elliott

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Jul 12, 1992, 11:31:40 AM7/12/92
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Suffice it to say that no matter how this character is portrayed some of
us would complain. (I can't blame them; I complain as much as anyone.)

For some people, it is natural to be celibate between relationships.
Why is it so wrong to have one character that represents these people?
Aren't they apart of the community?

-- Frank

Rob Bernardo

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bali...@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) wrote:
>In article <1992Jul9...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, remc...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:
>>And that was about it for the TH. One and half hours and he got
>>about 5 minutes total air time.
>
>Maybe if they had him screw the new cute roomie you'd have been more
>impressed? I thought the idea was to put a bunch of people in an
>apartment complex and tell us about their lives, two of which happen
>to be Black and Homosexual.

With maybe one possible exception (the bitchy southern women), each
of the other 7 in the group had a whole subplot dedicated to them. The
gay character only had two incidental scenes.
--
Rob Bernardo
r...@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US

John Dorrance

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Jul 13, 1992, 4:44:54 AM7/13/92
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r...@mtdiablo.Concord.CA.US (Rob Bernardo) writes:

>With maybe one possible exception (the bitchy southern women), each

Did anyone else think all her lines sounded like overdubs? Like some bad
porno movie or something?

Penn Collins

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Jul 11, 1992, 9:29:13 PM7/11/92
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rdon...@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue) writes:
> remc...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:
> >I saw Melrose Place last night on Fox.
> >Geesh! How disgusting. The cast consisted of nothing
> >but beautiful (?) people. I know that _we_ are not *that*
> >omnipresent.
> Who you callin' "we"? My GBLO* community is diverse enough to
> include "the beautiful people", "The people who THINK they are the beautiful
> people", "the people who know they are not but wish they were the beautiful
> people", "the people who don't care one way or another about being one of
> the beautiful people", "the people who want nothing whatsoever to do with
> being part of the beautiful people", "the people who woulnd't know
> one of the beautiful people if they bit them ont he ass", and all
> the other permutations in a Zen-squared sort of way there are.
ummm.....BBC, and what "people" are you a part of?
"the people who got grumpy at Richard's beautiful people post"?
(typed with a smile)

ryerson.schwark

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Jul 13, 1992, 1:49:10 PM7/13/92
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In article <1992Jul11....@tandon.com> to...@tandon.com (Tom Barrett) writes:
>>Now take off your clothes, Grandmama has Nair with baby oil just for you.
>
>YIPES! Only for charity :)

Very well. We'll auction you off to support Grandmama KKruella's home
ministry (Haalleluyaaah! cast OUT the seed of SATAN from your quivering
*SINFUL* flesh!)

KKruella
r...@usl.com

Shawn Hicks

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Jul 16, 1992, 12:52:51 PM7/16/92
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Well, I was hoping last nights episode would rectify that, but it
didn't. :( In fact, the 90210 brats got more air time than most
of the regulars... I'm still pleased that they even included a
gay character, and I'm sure they'll do something with him
in the future. The fact that they haven't given him a swish, dress,
butcher knife, or illness, suggests they might deal fairly when the
time comes.

Shawn

Jake Coughlin

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Jul 16, 1992, 3:28:12 PM7/16/92
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bali...@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks):
> The fact that they haven't given [the token homo] a swish, dress,

> butcher knife, or illness, suggests they might deal fairly when the
> time comes.

...to kill him off with "the big one"?

William Tsun-Yuk Hsu

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Jul 16, 1992, 5:19:22 PM7/16/92
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Well I saw Melrose Place last night. (Why do people feel embarrassed about
watching Melrose Place? You can use pornography and still read Michel
Foucault, you know. Besides, Foucault probably had a great pornography
stash.) My reactions:

1) Gee, do all TV actors go to the same acting school?
2) Maybe my friends are fucked up, but they're easier to deal with than
these babies.
3) Did they paint some of the storefronts so they'll look nicer on TV?
I don't remember there being so many bad haircuts in the Melrose
district either. But I haven't been there since the earthquake,
maybe that's why :-)

Bill


adolphson

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Jul 16, 1992, 6:38:14 PM7/16/92
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In article <1992Jul16....@csrd.uiuc.edu>
h...@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
> Well I saw Melrose Place last night. (Why do people feel embarrassed about
> watching Melrose Place? You can use pornography and still read Michel
> Foucault, you know.

I guess so, but reading Foucault always makes me feel so sleazy.

> Besides, Foucault probably had a great pornography
> stash.) My reactions:
>
> 1) Gee, do all TV actors go to the same acting school?

Let's see. Grant Show: UCLA. Corbin Bernson: UCLA Joyce DeWitt: UCLA.
Richard Chamberlain: UCLA. Carol Burnett: UCLA.

> 2) Maybe my friends are fucked up, but they're easier to deal with than
> these babies.

But you don't live in LA. If you did, your fucked up friends would be
just like these babies.

> 3) Did they paint some of the storefronts so they'll look nicer on TV?

Yep.

> I don't remember there being so many bad haircuts in the Melrose
> district either. But I haven't been there since the earthquake,
> maybe that's why :-)

You do hair on top of everything else?


Arne

Richard Poppen

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Jul 17, 1992, 12:52:30 AM7/17/92
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In article <l6buim...@mizar.usc.edu> adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>In article <1992Jul16....@csrd.uiuc.edu>
>h...@sp24.csrd.uiuc.edu (William Tsun-Yuk Hsu) writes:
>>
>> 1) Gee, do all TV actors go to the same acting school?
>
>Let's see. [...] Richard Chamberlain: UCLA. [...]

Maybe for graduate school, but he got his undergraduate degree at Pomona
College in Claremont (class of '56).

--Rich (Pomona '73)

Richard McKewen

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Jul 17, 1992, 11:02:04 AM7/17/92
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In article <1992Jul16....@nevada.edu>, bali...@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks) writes:
>>
>>With maybe one possible exception (the bitchy southern women), each
>>of the other 7 in the group had a whole subplot dedicated to them. The
>>gay character only had two incidental scenes.
>
> Well, I was hoping last nights episode would rectify that, but it
> didn't. :( In fact, the 90210 brats got more air time than most
> of the regulars...

And his only air time last night was as a 'nice guy' trying to
keep the macho studs from starting a fist fight. Don't queers
like a knock down drag out every so often? ;-)

Of course he was only wearing a bath robe at the time.....

Shawn Hicks

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Jul 17, 1992, 11:27:17 AM7/17/92
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In article <1992Jul16.1...@watson.ibm.com>, ja...@ralvmm.vnet.ibm.com (Jake Coughlin) writes:
>bali...@big-brother.nevada.edu (Shawn Hicks):
>> The fact that they haven't given [the token homo] a swish, dress,
>> butcher knife, or illness, suggests they might deal fairly when the
>> time comes.
>
>...to kill him off with "the big one"?

You mean.... NO! Not the Dildo 'o Death!(tm)


;>

Shawn

Michael A. Thomas

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Jul 17, 1992, 1:03:46 PM7/17/92
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In article <1992Jul17...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, remc...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Richard McKewen) writes:
> And his only air time last night was as a 'nice guy' trying to
> keep the macho studs from starting a fist fight. Don't queers
> like a knock down drag out every so often? ;-)

Yes, but only the ones on TV between Alexis and Krystal...
--

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William Tsun-Yuk Hsu

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Jul 17, 1992, 6:51:35 PM7/17/92
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Me:

> I don't remember there being so many bad haircuts in the Melrose
> district either.

adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>You do hair on top of everything else?

Yup. My own on occasion. So did Foucault. Neither is difficult :-)

Bill

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