Eradicate!!!
Michael Nieuwenhuizen
Called the doctor this morning, cause I just couldn't
wait til tomorrow for the first results of the trial.
And great news: my viral load had gone to an undetectable
level *within* *ONE* *week*!!!!! In the 3-drug combos
that seem so hopeful these days this drop usually takes
several weeks (my doctor was talking about an avarage
of 50 days), but my 5-drug combo seems to be so strong
that this happened within a week. And not just with
me, but with all the patients of the trial (there's only
a few still in the trial). The strongest cocktail ever?
Eradication of the virus?
Mikkie
Gavin Wheeler
In article <339E87...@nikhef.nl>, Michael Nieuwenhuizen <t...@nikhef.nl>
wrote:
> Called the doctor this morning, cause I just couldn't
> wait til tomorrow for the first results of the trial.
> And great news: my viral load had gone to an undetectable
> level *within* *ONE* *week*!!!!! [snip]
Well, there's not a lot to say to that except congratulations!! And are
you feeling better, too?
And IIRC there are a number of the new antiretroviral drugs that have
now been shown to cross the meningal barrier, thus raising the hope that
we will be able to eradicate the virus from the body entirely, and not
just from the bloodstream.
(I'm curious to see if the Blackdog will have something to say about your
good news, or if he will have the decency to not rain on your parade)
--
Gavin Wheeler whe...@lpbc.jussieu.fr
Joseph Canale
On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Michael Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> Called the doctor this morning, cause I just couldn't
> wait til tomorrow for the first results of the trial.
> And great news: my viral load had gone to an undetectable
> level *within* *ONE* *week*!!!!! In the 3-drug combos
> that seem so hopeful these days this drop usually takes
> several weeks (my doctor was talking about an avarage
> of 50 days), but my 5-drug combo seems to be so strong
> that this happened within a week. And not just with
> me, but with all the patients of the trial (there's only
> a few still in the trial). The strongest cocktail ever?
> Eradication of the virus?
>
Congratulations. What are the medications, by the way?
Were you on any other combo therapies before this one?
If so, how did you respond to the previous meds?
Did they work for a time and then fail?
Is nelfinavir one of the inhibitors or have you been put on
something entirely new?
JC
Gavin Wheeler
In article
<Pine.SUN.3.95L.97061...@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu>,
Joseph Canale <jc...@columbia.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, Michael Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
[Good news about his viral load taking a nose dive]
> Congratulations. What are the medications, by the way?
[loadsa questions...]
> Is nelfinavir one of the inhibitors or have you been put on
> something entirely new?
The details are available on Mikkie's 'Positive' page,
http://wwwcn.cern.ch/~nieuwen/positive.html , but if he'll excuse a little
plagiarism of his site, he was on:
===========From Mikkie's website===============
8am - dose I: 3x 100 mg Abacavir
2x 200 mg Nevirapine
1x 40 mg d4T
5x 200 mg Indinavir
11am - dose II: 4x 100 mg DDI
4pm - dose III: 5x 200 mg Indinavir
8pm - dose IV: 3x 100 mg Abacavir
1x 40 mg d4T
12pm - dose V: 5x 200 mg Indinavir
=================================================
Bon appetit, hum?
So, yes, he was on something new, Glaxo's latest supposed wonder-drug
Abacavir. And if it *does* cross the blood-brain barrier as well as
claimed, it might not be just in his blood that the level of virus has hit
rock bottom and started to dig. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed for him
and all the others on the trial.
--
Gavin Wheeler whe...@lpbc.jussieu.fr
Robert S. Coren
In article <339E87...@nikhef.nl>,
Michael Nieuwenhuizen <t...@nikhef.nl> wrote:
>Called the doctor this morning, cause I just couldn't
>wait til tomorrow for the first results of the trial.
>And great news: my viral load had gone to an undetectable
>level *within* *ONE* *week*!!!!! In the 3-drug combos
>that seem so hopeful these days this drop usually takes
>several weeks (my doctor was talking about an avarage
>of 50 days), but my 5-drug combo seems to be so strong
>that this happened within a week. And not just with
>me, but with all the patients of the trial (there's only
>a few still in the trial). The strongest cocktail ever?
>Eradication of the virus?
This is potentially good news for a very large number of people, but
for the moment I'm concentrating my rejoicing on the good news
specifically for our Mikkie.
--
-------Robert Coren (co...@spdcc.com)-------------------------
"Ideas aren't responsible for the people who believe in them."
--Melinda Shore
himself
whe...@lpbc.jussieu.fr "Gavin Wheeler" writes:
> (I'm curious to see if the Blackdog will have something to say about your
> good news, or if he will have the decency to not rain on your parade)
People can convince themselves of anything. The so-called "viral
load test" is another of these meaningless pseudo-scientific
pieces of quackery that are only ever used against "HIV positive"
people. Some excellent scientific articles exposing the junk
science and medical flummery behind these "tests" has been
published recently in 'Reapraising AIDS'; the newsletter of the
Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV Hypothesis of
AIDS. As expected, the "viral load test" is complete rubbish on
any genuine scientific evaluation.
Also, it is worth remembering that so far not a shred of actual
evidence exists to suggest that consumption of combinations of
deadly toxins is any safer than one toxin. Responsible scientists
have dissassociated themselves from any such intervention. When
it is realised that all such drugs are prescribed under false
pretences, and that the safest thing to do with an "HIV" label
has been proved to be to ignore it, the danger of these drugs
becomes clear.
John
--
Dr Ian Weller of University College, London, said the effects of
protease inhibitors were not known and he would be conservative
about prescribing them.
"You are actually committing people to many, many years of treatment
with combination drugs and you don't know what the long-term effects
are." Reuters, Sept 10, 1996
FJ!!
In article <339E87...@nikhef.nl>,
Michael Nieuwenhuizen <t...@nikhef.nl> wrote:
>And great news: my viral load had gone to an undetectable
>level *within* *ONE* *week*!!!!!
Woah! Dude! That's quick.
That's also news, not just because you'll feel better, but also because
with less virus in you, the chance is smaller that one of them is mutating
into resistancy.
>Eradication of the virus?
Not too fast, not too fast... but get some weight on ya to begin with, ok?
Congrats. We are all very happy to hear this.
FJ!! (who may get tested
after all, then)
"Oh, and the dishwasher only burned for a little while" - Jeffrey Sandris
John Dorrance
jo...@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip (himself) wrote:
What kind of fucking creep are you?
John
FJ!!
In article <qkrae89...@hp0.astro.su.se>,
Toft <rob...@hobbes.astro.su.se> wrote:
>??? I don't understand this. Why should good news about _treatment_
>affect whether you get _tested_ or not?
My ability to deal with unmutable bad news has its limitations.
FJ!!
Yes.
JohnM
In article <33a8f436...@news.demon.co.uk>, archdruid@here.? writes
>On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:43:48 +0100, JohnM <jo...@scroll.demon.co.uk>
>wrote thus:
>
>>This is excellent news. I told you that I believed that you'd get top
>>treatment in Holland. Here, some local authorities do not
>>put you on the 3-drug treatment because of the cost and
>>they discourage people from opting into it.
>
>Ms Jowell: The Department has allocated a total of £199.6 million for
>HIV/AIDS treatment and care in 1997-98. This represents a seven per
>cent. increase over the allocation for 1996-97 as a contribution
>towards new combination therapies and the Department is keeping in
>close touch with health authorities, clinicians and others on
>developments in this area and the costs and benefits associated with
>them.
>
>The treatment and care budget, which is allocated to health
>authorities in line with the number of AIDS cases, is intended to
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I didn't know that.
>cover services for people with HIV and AIDS as determined through
>local needs assessment and priorities.
>
That sounds promising, given that they are working within the framework
of the internal market, but local authorities can be real bastards as we
know. Look at Lambeth who would not pay the grant of the boy they sent
to a foster family in Kent.
------------- Real Headlines of Our Time # 40 ------
"Enfield Couple Slain; Police Suspect Homicide"
Gregory Parkinson
In article <339f5663...@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
jhdo...@students.wisc.edu (John Dorrance) wrote:
> jo...@blackdog.demon.co.uk.snip (himself) wrote:
>
> What kind of fucking creep are you?
A well-known one, if you'd ever spent any time reading
misc.health.aids.
John and his ilk are being driven into a frenzy by the
success of the combo drug treatments which include the
protease inhibitors. For years now they've been saying
that it's the drugs that kill, not the HIV - as though
HIV didn't kill plenty of people before there were drugs
available to treat it - and now that there are drugs that
clearly reduce mortality and improve well-being they don't
know what to do. They deny that the drugs work - teeheehee! -
and they blather on about the possible long-term effects
- as though anyone thought that this was a miracle cure.
Or they make up bizarre explanations about the toxic qualities
of one of the combo drugs negating the toxic qualities of
the others, that sort of thing. Desperation.
Ignore him. Almost everyone else does. If you argue with
him he just gets nastier and (if it's possible) more irrational.
In the scheme of things he's irrelevent.
Michael Hawkes
Michael Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>
> Called the doctor this morning, cause I just couldn't
> wait til tomorrow for the first results of the trial.
> that seem so hopeful these days this drop usually takes
> several weeks (my doctor was talking about an avarage
> of 50 days), but my 5-drug combo seems to be so strong
> that this happened within a week. And not just with
> me, but with all the patients of the trial (there's only
> a few still in the trial). The strongest cocktail ever?
> Eradication of the virus?
>
>
> --
> http://wwwcn.cern.ch/~nieuwen
Congratulations. Good to hear that your local health authority is
actually spending money on combinations. Ours isn't.
--
Mike
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. Mike Hawkes PhD MACS Email: mi...@mhawkes.demon.co.uk
Joseph Canale
On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, himself wrote:
> "You are actually committing people to many, many years of treatment
> with combination drugs and you don't know what the long-term effects
> are."
I don't know about you, but I prefer "many, many years of
treatment" to eminent death. Who are these "responsible scientists"
anyway? Same ones who deny the very existence of the HIV virus?
Nick Nussbaum
The scary thing is that these cranks may actually convince
someone to not take the treatment and depend on the theory that
it has no relation to HIV.
Mark Y-M
On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:57:33 +0100, JohnM <jo...@scroll.demon.co.uk>
wrote thus:
>>The treatment and care budget, which is allocated to health
>>authorities in line with the number of AIDS cases, is intended to
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I didn't know that.
Ah well you don't read Hansard you see....
You should have an occasional look you know, speeches (especially
people like Robin Cook) are often very good and rather funny.
Mark mark@@archdruid.demon..co..uk
http://www.libdems.org.uk/people/aos/delga/index.htm
Opinions etc are mine and not Demon Internet's
FJ!!
In article <qkiuzja...@hp0.astro.su.se>,
Toft <rob...@hobbes.astro.su.se> wrote:
>But you don't mind not knowing?
Guess.
FJ!!
"It takes a village to have an idiot" - Fred Huntington
JohnM
>Called the doctor this morning, cause I just couldn't
>wait til tomorrow for the first results of the trial.
>And great news: my viral load had gone to an undetectable
>level *within* *ONE* *week*!!!!! In the 3-drug combos
>that seem so hopeful these days this drop usually takes
>several weeks (my doctor was talking about an avarage
>of 50 days), but my 5-drug combo seems to be so strong
>that this happened within a week. And not just with
>me, but with all the patients of the trial (there's only
>a few still in the trial). The strongest cocktail ever?
>Eradication of the virus?
>
This is excellent news. I told you that I believed that you'd get top
treatment in Holland. Here, some local authorities do not
put you on the 3-drug treatment because of the cost and
they discourage people from opting into it.
Mark Y-M
On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:43:48 +0100, JohnM <jo...@scroll.demon.co.uk>
wrote thus:
>This is excellent news. I told you that I believed that you'd get top
>treatment in Holland. Here, some local authorities do not
>put you on the 3-drug treatment because of the cost and
>they discourage people from opting into it.
cf. the answer given to an LD MP on the 10th June by the Scottish
Health Minister:
Mr. Gorrie: To ask the Secretary of State for Scotland if he will
provide additional funds for the provision of the new combination
therapies for HIV/AIDS patients.
Mr. Galbraith: It is for health boards to consider the treatment and
care to be provided to HIV/AIDS patients in their areas in the light
of local needs and of the total resources available to them. The
implications of the new combination therapies will be among the
factors they consider.
In the current year, health boards in Scotland have been given, within
their general allocations, funds totalling £9.6 million to respond to
the treatment and care needs of persons with HIV/AIDS. In addition,
boards are receiving some £6.4 million to engage in prevention
activities.
And the one given to an SNP MP by an English Health Minister:
Ms Roseanna Cunningham: To ask the Secretary of State for Health
(1) what additional funding for HIV/AIDS therapy has been allocated in
light of the increased availability of more effective HIV/AIDS drug
treatments; and if he will make a statement;
(2) what steps he is taking to ensure full availability of combination
therapies, counselling services, dietetic treatments, in-patient
services, psychiatric support in the community and district nurse
services and other necessary services for HIV/AIDS patients; and if he
will make a statement.
Ms Jowell: The Department has allocated a total of £199.6 million for
HIV/AIDS treatment and care in 1997-98. This represents a seven per
cent. increase over the allocation for 1996-97 as a contribution
towards new combination therapies and the Department is keeping in
close touch with health authorities, clinicians and others on
developments in this area and the costs and benefits associated with
them.
The treatment and care budget, which is allocated to health
authorities in line with the number of AIDS cases, is intended to
cover services for people with HIV and AIDS as determined through
local needs assessment and priorities.
Mark mark@@archdruid.demon..co..uk
Ree-shar
On Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:49:52 -0400, Joseph Canale <jc...@columbia.edu>
wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 1997, himself wrote:
>
> > "You are actually committing people to many, many years of treatment
> > with combination drugs and you don't know what the long-term effects
> > are."
>
> I don't know about you, but I prefer "many, many years of
> treatment" to eminent death....
^^^^^^^
ROTFL
Nice one, Joseph! I wish we could all have an eminent death. I agree
with the sentiment though.
Richard
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between "rick" and "coopinf.demon.co.uk". Should be a doddle
if you've ever built anything using Blue Peter instructions ;-)
JDD
In article <glp-120697...@ppp73.cinenet.net>, Gregory Parkinson
<g...@cinenet.net> writes
>John and his ilk are being driven into a frenzy by the
>success of the combo drug treatments which include the
>protease inhibitors. For years now they've been saying
>that it's the drugs that kill, not the HIV - as though
>HIV didn't kill plenty of people before there were drugs
>available to treat it - and now that there are drugs that
>clearly reduce mortality and improve well-being they don't
>know what to do. They deny that the drugs work - teeheehee! -
>and they blather on about the possible long-term effects
>- as though anyone thought that this was a miracle cure.
>Or they make up bizarre explanations about the toxic qualities
>of one of the combo drugs negating the toxic qualities of
>the others, that sort of thing. Desperation.
John (blackdogs) behaviour is quite a common psychological
behaviour. I recall a reading about a group (cult) who had given a
specific date for the world to end and that UFOs where going to come
down and deliver them from their doom. The date duly arrived and
nothing happened. Instead of excepting the obvious - we were wrong
scenario - the events seem to strengthen their beliefs. This seems to
be a common psychological phenomena.
--
John D
====================================================================
NB: My email address has been corrupted to avoid unwanted mail.
Remove the # from the end of "zalophus" for corrent address.
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Michael Nieuwenhuizen
FJ!! wrote:
>
> but get some weight on ya to begin with, ok?
Who wants to come over and cook for me?
Mikkie, hungry
Marina Muilwijk
Michael Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>
> FJ!! wrote:
> >
> > but get some weight on ya to begin with, ok?
>
> Who wants to come over and cook for me?
Well, I would, but I usually cook exotic food, which you claim you don't
like. I could make you pasta+sauce, though; that's not really exotic.
Marina (willing to try to cook a traditional Dutch meal, but not
promising anything)
Michael Thomas
das...@ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu (Darren Scott Cobb) writes:
> In article <33A7D8...@nikhef.nl>,
> Michael Nieuwenhuizen <t...@nikhef.nl> wrote:
> >Who wants to come over and cook for me?
> >
> >Mikkie, hungry
>
> I could fix you pork-n-beans like we had at Janet & Ken's
> place. (I think maybe you didn't like it, though).
Umm, Pork (v).
Say Mikkie, I made a new batch of puff pastry
the other week: wanna come to dinner for another
leek, pancetta and goat cheese tart?
AsideToDarren: albacore are showing up off the
coast already!
--
Michael Thomas (mi...@mtcc.com http://www.mtcc.com/~mike/)
"I dunno, that's an awful lot of money."
Beavis
Darren Scott Cobb
>>
>> but get some weight on ya to begin with, ok?
>
>
>Mikkie, hungry
I could fix you pork-n-beans like we had at Janet & Ken's
place. (I think maybe you didn't like it, though).
Darren Scott Cobb __ . __ . _/|__ ,
Indiana University }<_;> . }<_;> . /`o _ `\_/
das...@indiana.edu __ . >,_____,/^\
http://ezinfo.ucs.indiana.edu/~dascobb/ }<_;> \| `
Michael Nieuwenhuizen
>> place. (I think maybe you didn't like it, though).
Well, I might even like it, that's how hungry I am.
> Say Mikkie, I made a new batch of puff pastry
> the other week: wanna come to dinner for another
> leek, pancetta and goat cheese tart?
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It must have been the first time in my life that
I ate a second portion because *I* wanted to...
Mikkie
Michael Nieuwenhuizen
Marina Muilwijk wrote:
>>
>> Who wants to come over and cook for me?
Eeeewwww!!!
Actually I had an old high school friend over for
diner, I cooked and she even like it....
Mikkie, now officially 50% disabled and soon
working on a Dell with Pentium II 266MhZ
from home
Brian Vogel
Michael Thomas wrote:
>
>
> Say Mikkie, I made a new batch of puff pastry
> the other week:
Mr. Thomas, you are one *ambitious* cook. I didn't
think anyone made puff pastry or phyllo from scratch anymore.
> wanna come to dinner for another
> leek, pancetta and goat cheese tart?
Even though I wasn't invited I'm still requesting the
recipe and the leftovers.
Yuuuuuuuum! The thought of pancetta and goat cheese in
the same dish is making my knees weak.
--
~ Brian Vogel | bvogel AT polaris<.>attmail<.>com | Herndon, VA
~ A sensible person realizes that all principles that can be
~ expressed in a statement of finite length are oversimplified.
~ -- Robert Heppe
Marina Muilwijk
Michael Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
>
> Marina Muilwijk wrote:
> > Michael Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
> >>
> >> Who wants to come over and cook for me?
> > Well, I would, but I usually cook exotic food,
>
> Eeeewwww!!!
>
> Actually I had an old high school friend over for
> diner, I cooked and she even like it....
You cooked?! Wow, I'm impressed.
> Mikkie, now officially 50% disabled and soon
> working on a Dell with Pentium II 266MhZ
> from home
So, if that Dell is a compensation for being 50% disabled, what would a
100% disabled person get?
I see possibilities here.
Marina