Real names of Jeff Stryker & Ken Ryker
Boy WeHo
Just spent the past few hours searching on the net for the real names
of Jeff Stryker and Ken Ryker, w/ no luck.
If anyone knows, I'd surely appreciate this info. Thanks!
http://profiles.yahoo.com/BoyWeHo =)
fog...@netcom.com
> Just spent the past few hours searching on the net for the real names
> of Jeff Stryker and Ken Ryker, w/ no luck.
> If anyone knows, I'd surely appreciate this info. Thanks!
if they wanted you to know them, they wouldn't have used stage names.
Roger B.A. Klorese
>Hey there,
>
> Just spent the past few hours searching on the net for the real names
>of Jeff Stryker and Ken Ryker, w/ no luck.
>
> If anyone knows, I'd surely appreciate this info. Thanks!
Stryker's name is Charles Payton.
Brian Kane
>Boy WeHo:
>>Just spent the past few hours searching on the net for the real names
>>of Jeff Stryker and Ken Ryker, w/ no luck.
>>If anyone knows, I'd surely appreciate this info. Thanks!
If they didn't want their real names known, then they wouldn't
have filed lawsuits. Well, at least "Jeff Stryker" did...in his
lawsuit regarding dildoes fashioned in his likeness.
D Lewis
warrant paying $44.95 to Telecharge...
Brian Kane
>Roger Klorese:
>You have to admit, "Charles Payton Does Hard Time" just doesn't seem to
>warrant paying $44.95 to Telecharge...
Hmmm, I guess you're right.
Howabout "Playtime with Payton"? "Rape Me, Charlie"? "Gay for Payton"?
Brian "anyhow I thought it was 'Peyton' as in 'Peyton Place'" Kane
Frank Swilling
Brian Kane <bdk...@erols.com> wrote in message
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> Howabout "Playtime with Payton"? "Rape Me, Charlie"? "Gay for Payton"?
Peyton Does Dayton? Peyton In Gaytown?
Frank
Brian M. Kochera
>
>Roger B.A. Klorese <rog...@queernet.org> writes:
>
>>Stryker's name is Charles Payton.
>
>You have to admit, "Charles Payton Does Hard Time" just doesn't seem to
>warrant paying $44.95 to Telecharge...
>
Chaz Payton sounds just as much like a porno star name as does Jeff Stryker.
i.e. "Chaz Payton Sticks It To Saitan" or "Chaz Payton Late On Call"
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Arnold Zwicky
brian m. kochera <brian...@aol.comNOSPAM> judges the goodness
of porn star names:
>Chaz Payton sounds just as much like a porno star name as does Jeff
>Stryker.
so it might seem to you, but the actual data don't bear out your
intuitions. i happen to have a sample of 2,622 porn star names,
and there isn't a Payton or Peyton among them. there's only one
Charles, in fact. (Charlie does a bit better, at 3, Chaz/Chas
at 4, and Chuck at a respectable 8.)
in contrast, there are 5 Strykers and 44 Jeffs (no Geoffs, though).
(the multiplicity of Strykers is a follower effect, of course.
first there was Jeff, and then it became a magic name. however,
Stryker also has a connotation of aggression/brutality/raw maleness
utterly lacking in P{a,e}yton.)
rice how nice to have the database on my laptop highland,
2000 miles from home
D Lewis
>Chaz Payton sounds just as much like a porno star name as does Jeff Stryker.
on the stage with Rupert Everett and discussing poetry...
Brian M. Kochera
Zwicky) writes:
>
>in article <19990711152851...@ngol01.aol.com>,
>brian m. kochera <brian...@aol.comNOSPAM> judges the goodness
>of porn star names:
>
> >Chaz Payton sounds just as much like a porno star name as does Jeff
> >Stryker.
>
>so it might seem to you, but the actual data don't bear out your
>intuitions. i happen to have a sample of 2,622 porn star names,
>and there isn't a Payton or Peyton among them. there's only one
>Charles, in fact. (Charlie does a bit better, at 3, Chaz/Chas
>at 4, and Chuck at a respectable 8.)
>
>in contrast, there are 5 Strykers and 44 Jeffs (no Geoffs, though).
>(the multiplicity of Strykers is a follower effect, of course.
>first there was Jeff, and then it became a magic name. however,
>Stryker also has a connotation of aggression/brutality/raw maleness
>utterly lacking in P{a,e}yton.)
FYI - I was not "judging the goodness of porn star names" I was simply stating
that his real name works for me too. That my personal opinion doesn't fit
Arnold Zwicky's research on the subject causes me to think that he has made my
comments something more than they are . It was a personal opinion of
preferance. It doesn't require refutation with statistical data any more than
if I said "I like the color Blue". To each his own.
Arnold Zwicky
give it [exactly] one more try...
in article <19990711195002...@ngol05.aol.com>,
brian m. kochera <brian...@aol.comNOSPAM> responds to my
citing data about porn star names:
>In article <7mb60g$8...@Turing.Stanford.EDU>,
>zwi...@Turing.Stanford.EDU (Arnold Zwicky) writes:
>>in article <19990711152851...@ngol01.aol.com>,
>>brian m. kochera <brian...@aol.comNOSPAM> judges the goodness
>>of porn star names:
>> >Chaz Payton sounds just as much like a porno star name as does
>> >Jeff Stryker.
>>so it might seem to you, but the actual data don't bear out your
>>intuitions... [data omitted]
let me re-phrase that: so that's your judgment about how good a porn
name this is, but the people who choose such names seem to have very
different judgments on the matter.
>FYI - I was not "judging the goodness of porn star names"[;] I was
>simply stating that his real name works for me too.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
which is to say: that you judge his real name to be a good one
for a porn star. that's judging the goodness of porn star names.
don't you see that?
by the way, you weren't "simply stating" something; you were stating
something *in a context*, of people talking about whether this is a
good porn name.
>That my personal
>opinion doesn't fit Arnold Zwicky's research on the subject causes me
>to think that he has made my comments something more than they are .
you seem to think you were being attacked, that your trip wasn't being
properly respected. poor baby. no one's denying you your opinion. i
did point out that it seems to be a very eccentric one. that's not
necessarily a criticism of you (i myself have some extremely eccentric
opinions), but it *is* relevant to the discussion at hand. think of
it as the distillation of hundreds or thousands of other people's
opinions, and imagine that people - you included - might even have
reasons for their opinions, which could be discussed. (for example:
i'll bet that lots of people see Payton as a "high class", even effete
or prissy, name, especially in contrast to the "working class", and
unsubtly aggressive, name Stryker. that makes the first a less
satisfactory choice in the hypermasculine world of porn videos. now
you might have personal associations with the name Payton - maybe it
was the name of some hot stud you once knew - that make it a
dick-hardening hit for you. that would make your judgment
understandable. there are other possibilities. you might
just have a tin ear, for instance.)
>It was a personal opinion of prefer[e]nce. It doesn't require
>refutation with statistical data any more than if I said "I like the
>color Blue". To each his own.
having a conversation with a group of other people is not a matter of
producing streams of unexamined atomic personal opinions. even if
it were, opinions contrary to your own aren't - couldn't be -
"refutations" of yours.
i thought my previous posting was not at all nasty; it was intended
to be light-hearted (including some of my usual self-mocking
academic style). but if you want to write muddled, defensive
prose, i'm happy to be critical.
w m in il, who has now been so
Cornelia Wyngaarden
: FYI - I was not "judging the goodness of porn star names" I was simply stating
: that his real name works for me too. That my personal opinion doesn't fit
: Arnold Zwicky's research on the subject causes me to think that he has made my
: comments something more than they are . It was a personal opinion of
: preferance. It doesn't require refutation with statistical data any more than
: if I said "I like the color Blue". To each his own.
It's my personal opinion (of preference) that you seriously
lighten up but I'll bet anything you would refute that.
corry
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Emily Carr Institute of Art and Design
Vancouver, B.C. Canada
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Michael Palmer
zwi...@Turing.Stanford.EDU (Arnold Zwicky) replied to brian m. kochera
<brian...@aol.comNOSPAM>:
>let me re-phrase that: so that's your judgment about how good a porn
>name this is, but the people who choose such names seem to have very
>different judgments on the matter.
I should think that a study of the (small number of) people
responsible for bestowing such names (and who kept Gillette in
business by insisting until relatively recently that the [male]
bearers of said names be shaved to within an inch of their lives)
might be, if not riveting, at least mildly amusing, in an MEd-thesis
sort of way.
---
Michael Palmer
Famous Bovines International
Claremont, California
mpa...@netcom.com
Lee Rudolph
>having a conversation with a group of other people is not a matter of
>producing streams of unexamined atomic personal opinions.
Cue up "The Sound of Music".
>but if you want to write muddled, defensive
>prose, i'm happy to be critical.
>
>w m in il, who has now been so
l r in mass, traditionally *the* place to be critical
Ann Simonds
> i happen to have a sample of 2,622 porn star names,
Wow.
Did you compile it yourself, or is this commercially
available? Does it include factors *other* than name?
- Ann, impressed
Gene Ward Smith
(Arnold Zwicky) wrote:
>in article <19990711195002...@ngol05.aol.com>,
>brian m. kochera <brian...@aol.comNOSPAM> responds to my
>citing data about porn star names:
>let me re-phrase that: so that's your judgment about how good a porn
>name this is, but the people who choose such names seem to have very
>different judgments on the matter.
So what to they know? Charles Payton sounds sexier to me than Jeff
Stryker, because it sounds more real.
>you seem to think you were being attacked, that your trip wasn't being
>properly respected. poor baby. no one's denying you your opinion. i
>did point out that it seems to be a very eccentric one.
Maybe, but I don't think you can prove it with the data in hand. We would
need, at least, a market survey for that.
--
Gene Ward Smith
gsm...@blazenetme.net
Ellen Evans
Gene Ward Smith <gsm...@blazenetme.net> wrote:
[]
>Maybe, but I don't think you can prove it with the data in hand.
Data?
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je...@panix.com New York Times, 7/14/96
Arnold Zwicky
<al...@yesic.com> marvels:
>zwi...@Turing.Stanford.EDU (Arnold Zwicky) wrote:
>Wow.
compiled it myself, using (mostly) the annual Adam Gay Video
guides. over the years, i've done a large number of data
collection projects where there was no particular time
pressure; i use the last half hour of my day, whenever the
day is not overscheduled, to enter items. over the months,
it grows into something substantial.
and here are the first-name winners (all the names with 45 or
more occurrences; homophones are counted as a single name)...
way out in front of the pack, queen of all he surveys: Mark/Marc, at
65!
first runner-up: Steve, 56.
second runners-up: Mike and John/Jon, 54.
and the remainder of the royal court:
Tony, 51
Sean/Shawn/Shaun, 49
Chris/Kris, 48
Eric/Erik/Erick/Erich, 47
Rick, 46.
i see two soc.motss porn couples here: Steve and Tony, and
Chris and Eric.
rice though i might easily have missed some highland
Gene Ward Smith
>In article <gsmith-1207...@145-64.blazenetme.net>,
>Gene Ward Smith <gsm...@blazenetme.net> wrote:
>>Maybe, but I don't think you can prove it with the data in hand.
>Data?
Er, among other things.
Brian Kane
>Charles Payton sounds sexier to me than Jeff
>Stryker, because it sounds more real.
http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgiqa.dll?SR=&MEM=1&F=jeff&L=stryker&T=&S=&Submit=Search
Brian M. Kochera
>by the way, you weren't "simply stating" something; you were stating
>something *in a context*, of people talking about whether this is a
>good porn name.
>
> >That my personal
> >opinion doesn't fit Arnold Zwicky's research on the subject causes me
> >to think that he has made my comments something more than they are .
>
>you seem to think you were being attacked, that your trip wasn't being
>properly respected. poor baby. no one's denying you your opinion. i
>did point out that it seems to be a very eccentric one. that's not
>necessarily a criticism of you (i myself have some extremely eccentric
>opinions), but it *is* relevant to the discussion at hand. think of
>it as the distillation of hundreds or thousands of other people's
>opinions, and imagine that people - you included - might even have
>reasons for their opinions, which could be discussed. (for example:
>i'll bet that lots of people see Payton as a "high class", even effete
>or prissy, name, especially in contrast to the "working class", and
>unsubtly aggressive, name Stryker. that makes the first a less
>satisfactory choice in the hypermasculine world of porn videos. now
>you might have personal associations with the name Payton - maybe it
>was the name of some hot stud you once knew - that make it a
>dick-hardening hit for you. that would make your judgment
>understandable. there are other possibilities. you might
>just have a tin ear, for instance.)
>
> >It was a personal opinion of prefer[e]nce. It doesn't require
> >refutation with statistical data any more than if I said "I like the
> >color Blue". To each his own.
>
>having a conversation with a group of other people is not a matter of
>producing streams of unexamined atomic personal opinions. even if
>it were, opinions contrary to your own aren't - couldn't be -
>"refutations" of yours.
>
>i thought my previous posting was not at all nasty; it was intended
>to be light-hearted (including some of my usual self-mocking
>academic style). but if you want to write muddled, defensive
>prose, i'm happy to be critical.
>
GOOD GRIEF! To paraphrase the late great Mae West: It's not what you say but
the _way_ that you say it! That's all, brother that's all.
Jeffrey William McKeough
>In article <gsmith-1207...@145-64.blazenetme.net>,
>Gene Ward Smith <gsm...@blazenetme.net> wrote:
>[]
>>Maybe, but I don't think you can prove it with the data in hand.
>
>Data?
Yes, Geordi?
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san...@spdcc.com anything. I hope this will make
san...@homosexualmenace.com things clearer in future."
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Gene Ward Smith
>
http://www.switchboard.com/bin/cgiqa.dll?SR=&MEM=1&F=jeff&L=stryker&T=&S=&Submit=Search
It still sounds more real. There might be real people named Rock Hudson,
and other real people named John Wayne. It still sounds more real to
name someone John Wayne.