Today's Saffy in the NYT URL
Brian Kane
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-campaign-gays.html
[...]
Exit polls from the 2000 presidential election found that an estimated 4
million Americans identified themselves as gay, of which only 1 million voted
for Bush.
The president may see even lower gay support this year, activists predict.
``This election, there really is a huge difference in people wanting to get
involved and to get the Bush administration out,'' said Scott Safier, a
member of Steel City Stonewall, a gay group in Pittsburgh that supports the
Democratic Party.
Since the candidates must gather electoral votes state by state, gays may see
less impact in places such as California, the most populous state, which is
expected to back Kerry anyway.
[...]
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> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-campaign-gays.html
>
> [...]
> Exit polls from the 2000 presidential election found that an
> estimated 4 million Americans identified themselves as gay, of which
> only 1 million voted for Bush.
>
> The president may see even lower gay support this year, activists
> predict.
>
> ``This election, there really is a huge difference in people wanting
> to get involved and to get the Bush administration out,'' said Scott
> Safier, a member of Steel City Stonewall, a gay group in Pittsburgh
> that supports the Democratic Party.
Yeah? How do we know? Was the reporter actually there? Hmmm?
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Scott Safier
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-campaign-gays.html
It's actually a Reuters story... not sure who picked it up.
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> Brian Kane:
> >
> > http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-campaign-gays.html
>
> It's actually a Reuters story... not sure who picked it up.
So, did the Reuters reporter phone you, e-mail you or speak to you in
person?
Seen the Knight-Ridder/MSNBC Pennsylvania poll in today's _Inky_? (Probably
not, I wager. The story, but not the graphic showing the breakdown by
region, is up on Philly.com: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/9716916.htm
. Registration required.)
This year, we *definitely* count. As of today, it's a dead heat between
Kerry and Bush; the poll had Kerry up by one percentage point, well under
the statistical margin of error.
The interesting thing I noticed is the regional breakdown. Of course,
Kerry's margin of support in Philadelphia is huge, as is usually the case
for any Democrat in a statewide contest. But he only carries a *plurality*
of the likely voters over your way in Allegheny County, and Bush is ahead in
the other counties of Southwestern Pennsylvania.
OTOH, Kerry enjoys a 51-to-39-percent margin in Philadelphia's famously
Republican suburbs. *Something interesting is going on here, and I think it
has to do with the culture-war stuff, including gay marriage.*
What we probably need to do is find the 1000 openly gay voters in Lancaster
County and get every last one of them to cast Kerry ballots on Election Day.
Scott Safier
> "Scott Safier" <sc...@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote in message
> news:slrncl0feb...@pong.telerama.com...
>> Brian Kane:
>> >
>> > http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-campaign-gays.html
>>
>> It's actually a Reuters story... not sure who picked it up.
>
> So, did the Reuters reporter phone you, e-mail you or speak to you in
> person?
phone.
> Seen the Knight-Ridder/MSNBC Pennsylvania poll in today's _Inky_? (Probably
> not, I wager. The story, but not the graphic showing the breakdown by
> region, is up on Philly.com: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/9716916.htm
> . Registration required.)
The only poll that counts is on Nov 2. And the only polls I trust are
Zogby. Besides, I'm so stressed about hosting Roberta Achtenberg this
weekend that anything beyond Sunday AM is too far away to even
consider.
On the other hand, everything went real smooth with Chrissy Gephardt a
couple weekends ago that I don't know what I'm worried about.
--
Rebecca Ore
"Exile on Market Street" <SandyS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> OTOH, Kerry enjoys a 51-to-39-percent margin in Philadelphia's famously
> Republican suburbs. *Something interesting is going on here, and I think it
> has to do with the culture-war stuff, including gay marriage.*
There are Republicans and there are neoconservatives. The Philadelphia
Republican suburbs have a range of reasons from good to bad (my
half-Jewish brother-in-law said his Jewish family had to Anglicize their
name in Philadelphia). There's a nasty feeling in some circles that the
war in Iraq is intended to improve Israeli security.
Another factor could be people moving out to the suburbs to escape the
city wage tax but still basically keeping their politics otherwise.
I hope a large chunk of it is support of minding one's own business in
sexual matters, but the state isn't New Jersey yet. Drexel students
were trashing a Powelton Villege house that flew the Rainbow Flag as
late as 1999, speaking of places where you might be working. I almost
bought the house but the guy decided to stay.
Scott Safier
> In article <RQ14d.4450$uz1.3813@trndny03>, Exile on Market Street wrote:
>
>> OTOH, Kerry enjoys a 51-to-39-percent margin in Philadelphia's famously
>> Republican suburbs. *Something interesting is going on here, and I think it
>> has to do with the culture-war stuff, including gay marriage.*
>
You shouldn't strain yourself with things you know nothing about.
Stick to name calling and commenting on people's second and third hand
accounts of things. You'd do better.
--
Scott Safier
>
>> You shouldn't strain yourself with things you know nothing about.
>> Stick to name calling and commenting on people's second and third hand
>> accounts of things. You'd do better.
>
>
> So, tell us, liberator...
How first grade of you...
>What are you actually DOING
A hell of a lot more than you are. But then, anything more than
nothing is a hell of a lot more. I'll just let the fact that I'm
being phoned by Reuter's reporters and you're not speak for itself.
Jealousy is sooooo pathetic, but then, I do consider the source.
Scott Safier
>
>> The only poll that counts is on Nov 2. And the only polls I trust are
>> Zogby. Besides, I'm so stressed about hosting Roberta Achtenberg this
>> weekend that anything beyond Sunday AM is too far away to even
>> consider.
>
>> On the other hand, everything went real smooth with Chrissy Gephardt a
>> couple weekends ago that I don't know what I'm worried about.
>
> the sticks, rather than schmoozing against the machine.
LOL. I've been to Philadelphia.
> All your TG votes are belong to us!
What does the TG community have to do with any of this? Are you
trying to denigrate that community in order to caste aspersions on me?
How pathetic. And next time, try to construct a syntactically correct
sentence.
Exile on Market Street
> the artist formerly known as rzepelaa:
>
> What does the TG community have to do with any of this? Are you
> trying to denigrate that community in order to caste aspersions on me?
Did I stumble across a grudge match?
> How pathetic. And next time, try to construct a syntactically correct
> sentence.
However: Guess you missed that little online pop-cult phenomenon about five
or so years ago, with that dance tune that repeated some bad dialogue from a
Japanese action cartoon: "All your base are belong to us!"
Someone made a slideshow of altered images to go with the tune; I managed to
get a copy in my e-mail. One of them was an NBC10 News billboard on the
Surekill.
--Sandy, bummed that Keith Boykin's "off the ballot"
Exile on Market Street
news:spamtrapforore-50D...@news.verizon.net...
> In article <RQ14d.4450$uz1.3813@trndny03>,
> "Exile on Market Street" <SandyS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> There are Republicans and there are neoconservatives.
YM "paleoconservatives." HTH.
Or are you referring to the more socially tolerant folk?
> The Philadelphia
> Republican suburbs have a range of reasons from good to bad (my
> half-Jewish brother-in-law said his Jewish family had to Anglicize their
> name in Philadelphia). There's a nasty feeling in some circles that the
> war in Iraq is intended to improve Israeli security.
Looks like the Israelis have been taking care of that just fine on their
own. This sentiment strikes me as Jew-baiting.
> Another factor could be people moving out to the suburbs to escape the
> city wage tax but still basically keeping their politics otherwise.
Oh, I'm sure there is some of that going on, but last I looked, Republicans
still hold comfortable registration edges in all four suburban counties
(Bucks possibly excluded).
> I hope a large chunk of it is support of minding one's own business in
> sexual matters, but the state isn't New Jersey yet. Drexel students
> were trashing a Powelton Villege house that flew the Rainbow Flag as
> late as 1999, speaking of places where you might be working. I almost
> bought the house but the guy decided to stay.
I knew the guy whose house it was. He worked at Penn, as did I.
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is not being talked about."
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Exile on Market Street
in message news:ciqkfc$lb5$2...@reader1.panix.com...
> Speaking of Drexel media -- what's up with DUTV (channel 54
> in the local Comcast lineups)? How does such a hardcore lefty
> media outlet keep from getting silenced at that cesspool?
Perhaps the top administrators are so somnambulent that they aren't aware
what their cable TV station is running?
I've heard continuous stories about how bad the management of Drexel is.
That didn't keep me from applying for a position there, though.
Exile on Market Street
> In article <RQ14d.4450$uz1.3813@trndny03>, Exile on Market Street wrote:
>
> > OTOH, Kerry enjoys a 51-to-39-percent margin in Philadelphia's famously
> > Republican suburbs. *Something interesting is going on here, and I
think it
> > has to do with the culture-war stuff, including gay marriage.*
>
> out of the city but not the region, end up inadvertently
> reshaping the political landscape Out There.
So this would mean, then, that all the Republicans who wanted to leave the
city have left already, and now Democrats are joining them?
> Pittsburgh's landscape, OTOH, is one of an ever-growing
> influence of ScaifeMedia(tm).
Scary, but probably more interesting to follow than the _Pittsburgh
Post-Gazette._
Michael Palmer
<sc...@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote:
>I'll just let the fact that I'm
>being phoned by Reuter's reporters and you're not speak for itself.
>Jealousy is sooooo pathetic, but then, I do consider the source.
Darling, it's only the *print* media, and we've *all* been there, done
that, and have the t-shirts to prove it. If you were as cute as you
claim you would have merited the cameras of CNN. Or Entertainment
Tonight. Or 20/20.
Lloyd George
Rebecca Ore
"Exile on Market Street" <SandyS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Rebecca Ore" <spamtra...@NOHarvestverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:spamtrapforore-50D...@news.verizon.net...
> > In article <RQ14d.4450$uz1.3813@trndny03>,
> > "Exile on Market Street" <SandyS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > There are Republicans and there are neoconservatives.
>
> YM "paleoconservatives." HTH.
>
> Or are you referring to the more socially tolerant folk?
Republicans as in the sort of Republican my grandfather in Virginia was,
a Lincoln Republican. I've also read about another honest Republican
who tried to help his constituents fight urban removal (the property
rights of the poor strike me as a cause for honest conservatives). I
respect those kinds of Republicans -- the state out of everyone's lives
equally except to protect rights, again, equally.
>
> > The Philadelphia
> > Republican suburbs have a range of reasons from good to bad (my
> > half-Jewish brother-in-law said his Jewish family had to Anglicize their
> > name in Philadelphia). There's a nasty feeling in some circles that the
> > war in Iraq is intended to improve Israeli security.
>
> Looks like the Israelis have been taking care of that just fine on their
> own. This sentiment strikes me as Jew-baiting.
Ah, yeah. My brother-in-law wasn't all that happy with what he heard
about Philadelphia circa whenever his relative was practicing medicine
there.
>
> > Another factor could be people moving out to the suburbs to escape the
> > city wage tax but still basically keeping their politics otherwise.
>
> Oh, I'm sure there is some of that going on, but last I looked, Republicans
> still hold comfortable registration edges in all four suburban counties
> (Bucks possibly excluded).
There are all sorts of Republicans who aren't religious bozos. And
Kerry's not a liberal Democrat, I don't think.
>
> > I hope a large chunk of it is support of minding one's own business in
> > sexual matters, but the state isn't New Jersey yet. Drexel students
> > were trashing a Powelton Villege house that flew the Rainbow Flag as
> > late as 1999, speaking of places where you might be working. I almost
> > bought the house but the guy decided to stay.
>
> I knew the guy whose house it was. He worked at Penn, as did I.
Small world. I lived across the street from the ex-president of Drexel
on Baring Street for a couple of years, and was following some of the
mess in either the Philadelphia Weekly or The City Paper. I got the
impression that Drexel wasn't immediately responsive, but don't know how
true that was. Knew the guy worked for Penn, and I think my former
boss's housemate, also in Powelton, also worked for Penn, just not
really sure.
Rebecca Ore
"Exile on Market Street" <SandyS...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "the artist formerly known as rzepelaa" <SOC.MOTS...@panix.com> wrote
> in message news:ciqkfc$lb5$2...@reader1.panix.com...
>
> > Speaking of Drexel media -- what's up with DUTV (channel 54
> > in the local Comcast lineups)? How does such a hardcore lefty
> > media outlet keep from getting silenced at that cesspool?
>
> Perhaps the top administrators are so somnambulent that they aren't aware
> what their cable TV station is running?
I overheard someone in an attitude of power telling the English chairman
that it looked like his department had a lot of radicals in it (Guerilla
Grlls poster on one door, Tolkien stuff on another).
>
> I've heard continuous stories about how bad the management of Drexel is.
> That didn't keep me from applying for a position there, though.
If you get it, introduce yourself to the bookstore manager, who seems to
be everyone's info pipeline.
Scott Safier
> Scott Safier:
>
>>I'll just let the fact that I'm being phoned by Reuter's
>>reporters and you're not speak for itself. Jealousy is sooooo
>>pathetic, but then, I do consider the source.
>
When did I ever say that...
Scott Safier
> "Scott Safier" <sc...@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote in message
> news:slrncl1ner...@pong.telerama.com...
>> the artist formerly known as rzepelaa:
>> > All your TG votes are belong to us!
>>
>> What does the TG community have to do with any of this? Are you
>> trying to denigrate that community in order to caste aspersions on me?
>
> Did I stumble across a grudge match?
yes
Scott Safier
> "the artist formerly known as rzepelaa" <SOC.MOTS...@panix.com> wrote
> in message news:ciqkbc$lb5$1...@reader1.panix.com...
>> influence of ScaifeMedia(tm).
>
> Scary,
and not true.
>but probably more interesting to follow than the _Pittsburgh
> Post-Gazette._
The Tribune-Review has poor readership figures in Pittsburgh and
really hasn't taken off. It does better in some of the suburbs. The
Trib runs hot and cold, and there certainly is a bias on their
editorial page and in a small percentage of the news stories. On the
other hand, they are getting a reputation for covering more news than
the P-G does.
--
Scott Safier
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:01:15 -0000, in soc.motss, Scott Safier
><sc...@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote:
>
>>I'll just let the fact that I'm
>>being phoned by Reuter's reporters and you're not speak for itself.
>>Jealousy is sooooo pathetic, but then, I do consider the source.
>
> Darling, it's only the *print* media,
international
> and we've *all* been there, done
> that, and have the t-shirts to prove it.
I know it is no story on Krispy Kremes, but I can still aspire to one
day have such greatness, can't I?
> If you were as cute as you
> claim you would have merited the cameras of CNN. Or Entertainment
> Tonight. Or 20/20.
I have some documents that might interest CBS...
Scott Safier
>
>> A hell of a lot more than you are. But then, anything more than
>> nothing is a hell of a lot more. I'll just let the fact that I'm
>> being phoned by Reuter's reporters and you're not speak for itself.
>
> Bush out of office. And you're so clever, you DID alert the
> media!
Yawn. I had a nice conversation with the gentleman from the press. I
didn't write the story nor even propose the story. I simply answered
his questions. He chose the quote and the angle he wanted to pursue.
But you know that. You just want to put your pathetic jealousy on
display, for some reason. Bless your heart.
Scott Safier
>
>> What does the TG community have to do with any of this? Are you
>> trying to denigrate that community in order to caste aspersions on me?
>
I do really pity you Tony. To be so full of jealousy at the fact that
some people are willing to do some good for others with no expectation
of any rewards for themselves, and then, when the unexpected rewards
do come, to label that "opportunism" simply shows what a small,
pathetic person you are. But please, don't let that stop you from
your childish tirade.
Mike McKinley
> In article <pC64d.8826$QB1.7029@trndny02>,
>>news:slrncl1ner...@pong.telerama.com...
>>>trying to denigrate that community in order to caste aspersions on me?
>>Did I stumble across a grudge match?
> Robert, not touching the other issues
Like this?
> "how vacuous idealism can slide into hubris and then disaster"
From: Talking Points Memo: by Joshua Micah Marshall: September 19, 2004
- September 25, 2004 Archives
<http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_09_19.php#003504>
Mike McKinley
> In article <slrncl2von...@pong.telerama.com>, Scott Safier wrote:
>>Exile on Market Street:
>>>"Scott Safier" <sc...@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote in message
>>>news:slrncl1ner...@pong.telerama.com...
>>>>the artist formerly known as rzepelaa:
>>>>>All your TG votes are belong to us!
>>>>What does the TG community have to do with any of this? Are you
>>>>trying to denigrate that community in order to caste aspersions on me?
>>>Did I stumble across a grudge match?
>>yes
> I hold a grudge. It's not my fault you come off an idiot
> practically every time you post, and leave such tempting,
> low-hanging fruit.
Oh, Antoinette! Get real!!!!!!!!!!
We know that you seethe with impotent subaltern rage over Saffy. She's
a ripped muscle bunny *AND* an internationally recognized very important
gay activist who's listed in the 5 Million Most Fabulous Gay People of
All Time! Get over your pathetic caste aspersions!
Frank McQuarry
Mike McKinley wrote:
Darling, you forgot the sunglasses case.
Ken Rudolph
Get over your pathetic caste aspersions!
We gotta winnah! Eggcorn of the week.
--Ken Rudolph
Ken Rudolph
> Mike McKinley wrote:
>
> Get over your pathetic caste aspersions!
>
> We gotta winnah! Eggcorn of the week.
Oops. I should have read the entire thread before commenting. Of
course Ms. McKinley didn't originate this eggcorn, it being a clever
turn of phrase referencing Saffy's previous one. I still like the
way this one scans. Like all the best eggcorns it has a mad logic
all its own.
--Ken Rudolph
Scott Safier
>> > "Scott Safier" <sc...@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote in message
>> > news:slrncl1ner...@pong.telerama.com...
>> >> the artist formerly known as rzepelaa:
>> >> > All your TG votes are belong to us!
>> >>
>> >> What does the TG community have to do with any of this? Are you
>> >> trying to denigrate that community in order to caste aspersions on me?
>> >
>> > Did I stumble across a grudge match?
>
>> yes
>
> I hold a grudge. It's not my fault you come off an idiot
> practically every time you post, and leave such tempting,
> low-hanging fruit.
Your jealousy is truely pathetic. Those who can, do. Those who can't
act like pre-adolescents on usenet. You, of course, are the latter.
Mike McKinley
Oh, darling! I'm getting all dribbly!
Scott Safier
>
>> Yawn. I had a nice conversation with the gentleman from the press.
>
> he said it himself it wouldn't be Fair and Balanced.
Still, they called me and not you. Wonder why? Oh, because you are a
know nothing do nothing. HTH.
Frank McQuarry
Scott Safier wrote:
[..]
Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
Scott Safier
> She's
> a ripped muscle bunny
don't I wish
> *AND* an internationally recognized
hardly
> very important
> gay activist who's listed in the 5 Million Most Fabulous Gay People of
> All Time! Get over your pathetic caste aspersions!
Your sarcasm would have a point if I actually sought such things out.
I don't. I do what I do, take the heat and sometimes actually achieve
some goal and make some progress. I didn't submit my name to any
website. I did not contact the reporter or post the URL here. I did
not ask for any award or recognition at all for anything I've done or
will do. I can understand how Tony (and you) might be jealous that
someone can actually do something worthy of recognition even when that
recognition is not sought out. It's all the more pathetic that Tony
(and you) are incapable of understanding that recognition is not the
motivating factor for some works, the humbling feeling when those
works are recognized, nor how that feeling can change to pride in
oneself for the accomplishment. You can try and strike at the pride
and the recognition, but it only demonstrates what a small person you
really are.
Scott Safier
>
>
> Scott Safier wrote:
> [..]
>
> Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
Pssst. Frank. I'm not going to take the shit from the do nothing
losers this time. HTH.
Robert S. Coren
the artist formerly known as rzepelaa <SOC.MOTS...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <slrncl1ner...@pong.telerama.com>, Scott Safier wrote:
>
>
><g>
On ne.food recently, somebody used "LoL" as an abbreviation for "leg
of lamb". That's how I'm reading it from now on.
--
---Robert Coren (co...@panix.com)------------------------------------
"I love gardening. It allows me to kill things."--Ann Burlingham
Mike McKinley
> Mike McKinley:
>>She's
>>a ripped muscle bunny
> don't I wish
>>*AND* an internationally recognized
> hardly
>>very important
>>gay activist who's listed in the 5 Million Most Fabulous Gay People of
>>All Time! Get over your pathetic caste aspersions!
> Your sarcasm would have a point if I actually sought such things out.
> I don't. I do what I do, take the heat and sometimes actually achieve
> some goal and make some progress. I didn't submit my name to any
> website. I did not contact the reporter or post the URL here. I did
> not ask for any award or recognition at all for anything I've done or
> will do. I can understand how Tony (and you) might be jealous that
> someone can actually do something worthy of recognition even when that
> recognition is not sought out. It's all the more pathetic that Tony
> (and you) are incapable of understanding that recognition is not the
> motivating factor for some works, the humbling feeling when those
> works are recognized, nor how that feeling can change to pride in
> oneself for the accomplishment. You can try and strike at the pride
> and the recognition, but it only demonstrates what a small person you
> really are.
Ooooh! I've been *READ*!!!
Frank McQuarry
Scott Safier wrote:
> Frank McQuarry:
> >
> >
> > Scott Safier wrote:
> > [..]
> >
> > Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
>
> Pssst. Frank. I'm not going to take the shit from the do nothing
> losers this time. HTH.
>
If your goal was to dole some shit out, you haven't accomplished it. You've only
made yourself look bad.
If you're going to launch an effective grudge match against Tony, you're going
about it all wrong. Listen to MissKinley. Her satire reveals the flaw in your
attack.
Lee Rudolph
> Ooooh! I've been *READ*!!!
Bleak, and right, and read all over. A veritable Cassandra.
Lee Rudolph
Michael Palmer
S. Coren) wrote:
>On ne.food recently, somebody used "LoL" as an abbreviation for "leg
>of lamb". That's how I'm reading it from now on.
I always read IOW as "Isle of Wight". And DP Benefits are "Displaced
Persons Benefits".
--
Michael Palmer
Claremont, California
mpa...@panix.com
Frank McQuarry
the artist formerly known as rzepelaa wrote:
> In article <slrncl3785...@pong.telerama.com>, Scott Safier wrote:
>
> > Your jealousy is truely pathetic.
>
> Hunh. I was "utterly pathetic" in the last thread.
>
> I'm slipping! Frank! Up the terror alert levels!!
Okay. I'm raising the Terror Alert to Chartreuse.
Frank McQuarry
the artist formerly known as rzepelaa wrote:
> In article <4151B018...@earthlink.net>, Frank McQuarry wrote:
>
> > If you're going to launch an effective grudge match against Tony, you're going
> > about it all wrong. Listen to MissKinley. Her satire reveals the flaw in your
> > attack.
>
> Er, what is the sound of one grudger grudging?
Don't make me up the alert to Pink.
> I'm apparently enduring this for the temerity of pointing
> out he (or Champ - whatever) had the bad manners of a gossiping
> adolescent last week. As for his political activism, I have
> little beef with what he seems to have done in substance,
> and usually admire it. (And it is often a vague concept, I
> should add.)
>
> But I have every right to not be impressed with his
> achievements in power-networking or platform-plank pranks
> and have it be something besides a jealous grudge.
> I'm not sure how big a pass he thinks he should be getting
> for all of his tireless efforts, but he clearly seems
> incensed that he's not getting something he wants here.
Peronally, I'd rather not see this devolve into an MT/DRS eBattle.
Frank McQuarry
Jess Anderson wrote:
> Frank McQuarry:
> >Scott Safier:
>
> >>[..]
>
> >Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
>
> No surprise there: walks like an ass, talks like an ass, ...
>
Not always. It's just that his ePersona needs a whack in the head now
and then.
Arnold Zwicky
<ke...@comcast.net> corrects himself:
>Ken Rudolph wrote:
as i noted on Language Log, eggcorns are, in a sense, just
unintentional puns.
alex adams (#3), pleased to announce the publication of
Emily R. Transue's On Call: A Doctor's Days and Nights in Residency
(emily is my step-daughter)
Scott Safier
> Scott Safier wrote:
>> Frank McQuarry:
>> > Scott Safier wrote:
>> > [..]
>> > Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
>> Pssst. Frank. I'm not going to take the shit from the do nothing
>> losers this time. HTH.
> If your goal was to dole some shit out, you haven't accomplished it. You've
> only made yourself look bad.
So, I'm suppose to simply take his pathetic shit. The asshole does
NOTHING at all, and belittles work that I do. I'm sorry that my
taking offense at that makes me look bad.
> If you're going to launch an effective grudge match against Tony, you're
> going
> about it all wrong. Listen to MissKinley. Her satire reveals the flaw in
> your attack.
As I responded to him, I didn't ask for any of the things that his
satire accuses me of.
Sim Aberson
Scott Safier <sc...@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote:
>I did not contact the reporter or post the URL here. I did
>not ask for any award or recognition at all for anything I've done or
>will do.
OTOH, I did. Me!! ME!! ME!!
Didja see me on ABC World News Tonight?
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/SciTech/WorldNewsTonight/ivan_path_potter_040916-1.html
Didja see me in this week's The Economist?
[No URL, since ya gotta pay.]
Didja watch the video of me at the White House?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/09/20040909-9.html
Reuters, pshaw!
--
One day, the wind blowed so hard, it blowed a well up out of the ground;
blowed so hard, it blowed a crooked road straight. Another time it
blowed an' blowed, an' scattered the days of the week so bad Sunday
didn't get around 'til late Tuesday mo'nin. - The WPA Guide to Florida
Frank McQuarry
Scott Safier wrote:
> Frank McQuarry:
> > Scott Safier wrote:
> >> Frank McQuarry:
> >> > Scott Safier wrote:
> >> > [..]
> >> > Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
> >> Pssst. Frank. I'm not going to take the shit from the do nothing
> >> losers this time. HTH.
> > If your goal was to dole some shit out, you haven't accomplished it. You've
> > only made yourself look bad.
>
> So, I'm suppose to simply take his pathetic shit. The asshole does
> NOTHING at all, and belittles work that I do. I'm sorry that my
> taking offense at that makes me look bad.
That's it man. I'm uppin' the ante.
CODE PINK! CODE PINK!
(I can't help but think of Toby when I press caps lock--I guess I always will.)
>
>
> > If you're going to launch an effective grudge match against Tony, you're
> > going
> > about it all wrong. Listen to MissKinley. Her satire reveals the flaw in
> > your attack.
>
> As I responded to him, I didn't ask for any of the things that his
> satire accuses me of.
The only saving grace I have about reacting to a spelling flame is that I know I
have no sense of humor about it.
Mike McKinley
>>Peronally, I'd rather not see this devolve into an MT/DRS eBattle.
Saffy might out-Drissy Drissy, but I fear that Antoinette and I,
combined, could never match the Pocket Buddha. We're just too pathetic
and envious.
Mike McKinley
> Frank McQuarry:
>>Scott Safier wrote:
>>>Frank McQuarry:
>>>>Scott Safier wrote:
>>>>[..]
>>>>Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
>>>Pssst. Frank. I'm not going to take the shit from the do nothing
>>>losers this time. HTH.
>>If your goal was to dole some shit out, you haven't accomplished it. You've
>>only made yourself look bad.
> So, I'm suppose to simply take his pathetic shit. The asshole does
> NOTHING at all, and belittles work that I do. I'm sorry that my
> taking offense at that makes me look bad.
>>If you're going to launch an effective grudge match against Tony, you're
>>going
>>about it all wrong. Listen to MissKinley. Her satire reveals the flaw in
>>your attack.
> As I responded to him, I didn't ask for any of the things that his
> satire accuses me of.
With a girl like you fighting on our behalf for truth, justice and
equality, well -- we just can't lose!
Christian Hansen
wrote:
You should really keep the stone rolled in FRONT of the cave.
Chris "Otherwise things leak in, and things leak out." Hansen
--
Chris Hansen | chrishansenhome at btinternet dot com
The British philosopher J. L. Austin came to Columbia and
pointed out that although two negatives make a positive,
nowhere is it the case that two positives make a negative.
"Yeah, yeah," Dr. Morgenbesser said.
Scott Safier
> In article <slrncl3a8f...@pong.telerama.com>,
> Scott Safier <sc...@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote:
>>I did not contact the reporter or post the URL here. I did
>>not ask for any award or recognition at all for anything I've done or
>>will do.
>
> OTOH, I did. Me!! ME!! ME!!
>
> Didja see me on ABC World News Tonight?
> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/SciTech/WorldNewsTonight/ivan_path_potter_040916-1.html
>
> Didja see me in this week's The Economist?
> [No URL, since ya gotta pay.]
Cool.
> Didja watch the video of me at the White House?
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/09/20040909-9.html
that takes Cool points away you know.
> Reuters, pshaw!
ya ya ya... I know. It's no Krispy Kreme article.
Scott Safier
>
>
> Scott Safier wrote:
>
>> Frank McQuarry:
>> > Scott Safier wrote:
>> >> Frank McQuarry:
>> >> > Scott Safier wrote:
>> >> > [..]
>> >> > Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
>> >> Pssst. Frank. I'm not going to take the shit from the do nothing
>> >> losers this time. HTH.
>> > If your goal was to dole some shit out, you haven't accomplished it. You've
>> > only made yourself look bad.
>>
>> So, I'm suppose to simply take his pathetic shit. The asshole does
>> NOTHING at all, and belittles work that I do. I'm sorry that my
>> taking offense at that makes me look bad.
>
> That's it man. I'm uppin' the ante.
>
> CODE PINK! CODE PINK!
Let me know when it gets to fucshia.
> (I can't help but think of Toby when I press caps lock--I guess I always will.)
>
>>
>>
>> > If you're going to launch an effective grudge match against Tony, you're
>> > going
>> > about it all wrong. Listen to MissKinley. Her satire reveals the flaw in
>> > your attack.
>>
>> As I responded to him, I didn't ask for any of the things that his
>> satire accuses me of.
>
> The only saving grace I have about reacting to a spelling flame is that I know I
> have no sense of humor about it.
I can't spell, and that is no surprise to anyone here. However, to
believe that I will sit back and let Tony (and Mike) belittle what I
do when it is quite evident that they themselves do absolutely
nothing. My question is, why defend them?
Mike McKinley
I'm not belittling what you do. I'm belittling who you are.
Frank McQuarry
Scott Safier wrote:
> My question is, why defend them?
My apologies if it looked like I was defending them. It was not my intention to do
so. I only intended to point out that the tact you were using to attack was not
effectual. Just the opposite, in fact, it was making you look bad. I'm pleased that
you were cited in that list and quoted in the newspaper, and I appreciate the effort
you put into your activism, but when you use these things in an attempt to belittle
another poster you not only display a lack of grace, but also display a considerable
arrogance.
And also, in this forum, where we are all queer or queer friendly, by adopting a
stance that essentially can be descibed as "I Am The Great Queer Warrior So Your
Opinion Doesn't Count", you insult the rest of us as well. I'm sure that Tony, like
me, has been on and off through the years active in the community, and while reporters
aren't knocking down my door for quotes my and Tony's opinions on these topics do
matter, and are just as valid as yours. If Tony thinks aspects of what you do are
ineffectual then so be it. Argue against that point, not his character.
Mike McKinley
> In article <slrncl3ab3...@pong.telerama.com>,
> Scott Safier <sc...@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote:
>>Frank McQuarry:
>>>Scott Safier wrote:
>>>[..]
>>>Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
>>Pssst. Frank. I'm not going to take the shit from the do nothing
>>losers this time. HTH.
> /Robert, a DNL, FTR
As for me, I just leer at Hispanic men.
Scott Safier
> Scott Safier wrote:
>> My question is, why defend them?
>
> My apologies if it looked like I was defending them. It was not my
> intention to do so. I only intended to point out that the tact you
> were using to attack was not effectual. Just the opposite, in fact,
> it was making you look bad. I'm pleased that you were cited in that
> list and quoted in the newspaper, and I appreciate the effort you
> put into your activism, but when you use these things in an attempt
> to belittle another poster you not only display a lack of grace, but
> also display a considerable arrogance.
I appreciate that. I also appreciate the fact that that is the only
thing people in this forum are responding to.
> And also, in this forum,
> where we are all queer or queer friendly, by adopting a stance that
> essentially can be descibed as "I Am The Great Queer Warrior So Your
> Opinion Doesn't Count", you insult the rest of us as well.
As I said, I asked for none of the recognition. However, when others
here are silent for so long when Mike and Tony do belittle it, at some
point I'll reach my limit. I've reached that limit. And from my
point of view, when there is so much silence when they do it, it does
look like y'all are supporting them.
>I'm sure
> that Tony, like me, has been on and off through the years active in
> the community,
I know you have been, and if you note, I have been very careful to
limit the attack to Tony and not to everyone here in general. As for
Tony, from everything I've gleaned over the years, he does nothing.
The community in PA is not so large that I wouldn't hear something or
have my inquiries turn something up should he do anything except sit
on his lazy ass and criticize.
> and while reporters aren't knocking down my door for
> quotes my and Tony's opinions on these topics do matter, and are
> just as valid as yours.
And you only know what the reporter chose to put into print and the
spin he chose to put on the article. Again, I didn't post that URL
here.
> If Tony thinks aspects of what you do are
> ineffectual then so be it.
not ineffectual. That's not the word he used.
> Argue against that point, not his
> character.
His point is attacking me personally. No, in this case, it is one of
character. And Tony's character comes up lacking in my opinion.
Ken Rudolph
> In article <slrncl3a8f...@pong.telerama.com>,
> Scott Safier <sc...@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote:
>
>>I did not contact the reporter or post the URL here. I did
>>not ask for any award or recognition at all for anything I've done or
>>will do.
>
>
> OTOH, I did. Me!! ME!! ME!!
> Didja see me in this week's The Economist?
> [No URL, since ya gotta pay.]
[Here it is from The Economist site:]
According to Sim Aberson, a scientist at the Hurricane Research
Division of America's National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration, in Miami, this is a problem of resolution. Hurricane
computer models work by reducing the storm to a grid of points that
interact with one another according to the model's rules. Even with
improvements in computing power, the finest resolution these models
can manage has grid points about 1km apart. Unfortunately, the
features that cause hurricanes to gain or lose intensity are often
smaller than this. In particular, the “eyewall”, the region of most
intense winds surrounding the relatively tranquil eye of a
hurricane, is only a kilometre or so wide, and understanding the
nature of the eyewall is crucial to understanding a hurricane's
behaviour.
--Ken Rudolph
Exile on Market Street
news:cisfh2$hbb$1...@panix2.panix.com...
> In article <slrncl3a8f...@pong.telerama.com>,
> Scott Safier <sc...@pink-triangle.NO.org.SPAM> wrote:
> >I did not contact the reporter or post the URL here. I did
> >not ask for any award or recognition at all for anything I've done or
> >will do.
>
> OTOH, I did. Me!! ME!! ME!!
>
> Didja see me on ABC World News Tonight?
>
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/SciTech/WorldNewsTonight/ivan_path_potter_040916-1.html
Hey, neat!
*I* did it for the recognition, too. Well, that *and* the money *and* a
chance to add another clip to my portfolio:
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/opinion/local2/region/9725441.htm
There's a face shot of me accompanying the print version. Another one of
these in eight weeks or so.
A friend of mine was tipped off to the column by an acquaintance I hadn't
seen in several months. He knew we were both friends and called him.
--
---------Sandy Smith, Exile on Market Street, Philadelphia--------
SandyS...@yahoo.com / http://mysite.verizon.net/sandy.f.smith
AOL IM: marketstel
"There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that
is not being talked about."
-----------------------------------------------------Oscar Wilde--
Mike McKinley
Oh, Jesus! Blowing marbles again?
I told you to cut that out!
Sim Aberson
Mike McKinley <mp...@NOSPAMutexas.edu> wrote:
> Oh, Jesus! Blowing marbles again?
> I told you to cut that out!
I blow what's available. You know that.
Sim
Frank McQuarry
Scott Safier wrote:
> Frank McQuarry:
> > Scott Safier wrote:
> >> My question is, why defend them?
> >
>
> > My apologies if it looked like I was defending them. It was not my
> > intention to do so. I only intended to point out that the tact you
> > were using to attack was not effectual. Just the opposite, in fact,
> > it was making you look bad. I'm pleased that you were cited in that
> > list and quoted in the newspaper, and I appreciate the effort you
> > put into your activism, but when you use these things in an attempt
> > to belittle another poster you not only display a lack of grace, but
> > also display a considerable arrogance.
>
> I appreciate that. I also appreciate the fact that that is the only
> thing people in this forum are responding to.
>
> > And also, in this forum,
> > where we are all queer or queer friendly, by adopting a stance that
> > essentially can be descibed as "I Am The Great Queer Warrior So Your
> > Opinion Doesn't Count", you insult the rest of us as well.
>
> As I said, I asked for none of the recognition. However, when others
> here are silent for so long when Mike and Tony do belittle it, at some
> point I'll reach my limit. I've reached that limit. And from my
> point of view, when there is so much silence when they do it, it does
> look like y'all are supporting them.
I don't think there's a halo around Tony's head, but The Great Queer Warrior
stuff is so over the top, that I'm not surprised at the intensity of the
reaction.
>
>
> >I'm sure
> > that Tony, like me, has been on and off through the years active in
> > the community,
>
> I know you have been, and if you note, I have been very careful to
> limit the attack to Tony and not to everyone here in general. As for
> Tony, from everything I've gleaned over the years, he does nothing.
> The community in PA is not so large that I wouldn't hear something or
> have my inquiries turn something up should he do anything except sit
> on his lazy ass and criticize.
>
I think the most politically active thing a queer can do is live their life out
of the closet. The success of all other forms of activism are dependent on this
small act of living your life in the open. I've lost family members because of
being out. I've been punched on the street by strangers for being out. I've
received anonymous phone calls threatening me with violence for being out. By
living his life in the open, Tony has done more politically than the vast
majority of homosexuals. By living in the open you more than pay your dues to
the cause.
Besides, all the stories I've read in this forum about the early days -- before
Stonewall and shortly after -- really amaze me, and I'd love to hear more about
that. (I'm thinking of a few weeks back when Jess posted about early activism in
Madison, and Jack Carroll posted about clubbing in NYC in the 60s.) Any activism
I've done in my life doesn't compare with those stories.
>
> > and while reporters aren't knocking down my door for
> > quotes my and Tony's opinions on these topics do matter, and are
> > just as valid as yours.
>
> And you only know what the reporter chose to put into print and the
> spin he chose to put on the article. Again, I didn't post that URL
> here.
>
> > If Tony thinks aspects of what you do are
> > ineffectual then so be it.
>
> not ineffectual. That's not the word he used.
I was being polite.
>
> > Argue against that point, not his
> > character.
>
> His point is attacking me personally. No, in this case, it is one of
> character. And Tony's character comes up lacking in my opinion.
While you could argue that his intention was meant as a personal attack, what he
actually did was say to essentially say that the actions you were taking were
ineffectual. Can you construct and argument that shows that this is not so.
That's the argument you should have presented. If Tony's intentions had been to
belittle you that is the argument that would have exposed that pettiness.
Mike McKinley
> In article <cisn4h$ee9$1...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>,
> Mike McKinley <mp...@NOSPAMutexas.edu> wrote:
>> Oh, Jesus! Blowing marbles again?
>> I told you to cut that out!
> I blow what's available. You know that.
We *won't* get into that.
I feel like Jack Benny. I wish I had his money.
Scott Safier
Activism is work Frank. It takes up a lot of time, energy and
resources. I don't see people here getting away with attacks on
other's work. When Ken wins an Oscar, people don't call him an
"opportunist". When Sim is quoted in some paper, people don't say
that he is being the great weather warrior or that some paper was just
looking for an quote that they agree with. I let Tony and other's get
away with attacking my work for a while, and, as I've pointed out, no
one seemed to think anything wrong about it. Silence. Well, if my
defense of myself and the work I am doing and have done makes me look
like an "ass" or the "great queer warrior", it's only because no one
else had the decency to call him on it. In fact, you continue to
sugar-coat his behavior and act as an apologist for him.
>>
>>
>> >I'm sure
>> > that Tony, like me, has been on and off through the years active in
>> > the community,
>>
>> I know you have been, and if you note, I have been very careful to
>> limit the attack to Tony and not to everyone here in general. As for
>> Tony, from everything I've gleaned over the years, he does nothing.
>> The community in PA is not so large that I wouldn't hear something or
>> have my inquiries turn something up should he do anything except sit
>> on his lazy ass and criticize.
>>
> I think the most politically active thing a queer can do is live
> their life out of the closet. The success of all other forms of
> activism are dependent on this small act of living your life in the
> open. I've lost family members because of being out. I've been
> punched on the street by strangers for being out. I've received
> anonymous phone calls threatening me with violence for being out.
> By living his life in the open, Tony has done more politically than
> the vast majority of homosexuals. By living in the open you more
> than pay your dues to the cause.
> Besides, all the stories I've read in this forum about the early
> days -- before Stonewall and shortly after -- really amaze me, and
> I'd love to hear more about that. (I'm thinking of a few weeks back
> when Jess posted about early activism in Madison, and Jack Carroll
> posted about clubbing in NYC in the 60s.) Any activism I've done in
> my life doesn't compare with those stories.
In the abstract, I don't disagree with you. However, to say that that
is all that is involved is wrong. And my point, which you seem to be
ignoring or missing, is that you and others are allowing those who do
more have that work belittled and demeaned. I think that is just as
wrong.
>>
>> > and while reporters aren't knocking down my door for
>> > quotes my and Tony's opinions on these topics do matter, and are
>> > just as valid as yours.
>>
>> And you only know what the reporter chose to put into print and the
>> spin he chose to put on the article. Again, I didn't post that URL
>> here.
>>
>> > If Tony thinks aspects of what you do are
>> > ineffectual then so be it.
>>
>> not ineffectual. That's not the word he used.
>
> I was being polite.
He wasn't. Why are you sugar coating his obnoxious behavior. You are
calling me on mine, why not call him on his?
>> > Argue against that point, not his
>> > character.
>>
>> His point is attacking me personally. No, in this case, it is one of
>> character. And Tony's character comes up lacking in my opinion.
> While you could argue that his intention was meant as a personal
> attack, what he actually did was say to essentially say that the
> actions you were taking were ineffectual.
the word he used was "opportunistic". its definition is taking
advantage of opportunities as they arise: as a : exploiting
opportunities with little regard to principle or consequences <a
politician considered opportunistic>. That seems to me to be the
opposite of "ineffectual".
> Can you construct and
> argument that shows that this is not so.
Frank, most people in this forum know of most of my activities, and
they have for years. Tony knows it, and he most certainly knows that
they are not ineffectual as you say. But since you want a list:
Domestic partner benefits in the City of Pittsburgh. Domestic partner
benefits at Pitt. Domestic partner benefits at CMU. Educating the
community about marriage. Creating a new chapter of Stonewall
Democrats in Pittsburgh with a descent sized membership in less than
six months. Being appointed to the Democratic Platform Committee and
being given the privilege of speaking for a minority group with no
members on the committee. And many, many more.
Now, to be clear, I'm not claiming to do any of this alone. But I was
certainly a party to it all.
> That's the argument you
> should have presented. If Tony's intentions had been to belittle
> you that is the argument that would have exposed that pettiness.
And so, Tony and Mike are allowed to call me names, make inaccurate
statements and defame my work at their will, but I'm the bad guy. I
don't buy it.
Brian Vogel
[snippage]
> the tact you were using to attack
That's *got* to be an eggcorn.
(On the meta-levels, too).
B
Arnold Zwicky
brian vogel <voge...@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>Frank McQuarry wrote:
>[snippage]
>> the tact you were using to attack
> That's *got* to be an eggcorn.
well, certainly an error. possibly a simple typo (a slip of the
fingers), possibly a spelling error, possibly a (non-eggcorn)
malapropism, possibly an eggcorn, if frank believed that the word he
wanted was related to "tactics"; certainly, some people *do* believe
that, and that gets tack/tact an entry in Garner's Modern American
Usage. it's an old standard.
i hope frank won't mind my continuing to talk about him in the third
person, but his writing is moderately high in errors of one sort or
another, so it's often hard to figure out how they arose. here's a
sentence from yesterday -- already in my files -- with "tendancy" for
"tendency" (either a typo or a spelling error) and "peak" for "peek"
(which i'm not sure at all how to classify; both of these are fairly
common substitutes for the rarer "pique", but less often substitute
for one another):
I confess that when I look at polls, my hands are placed firmly over
my eyes, but I have an awful tendancy to scissor my fingers to peak.
[Frank McQuarry, on soc.motss, 9/21/04]
zotling (#1)
Ellen Evans
>
>>>[..]
>
>>Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
>
No surprise here, either.
--
Ellen Evans If my life wasn't funny, it would
je...@panix.com just be true, and that's unacceptable.
Carrie Fisher
Frank McQuarry
Arnold Zwicky wrote:
>
> i hope frank won't mind my continuing to talk about him in the third
> person
I will mind. I find it very annoying.
Frank McQuarry
Scott Safier wrote:
[..]
Well, I've had my say, (perhaps too much say.)
Cornelia Wyngaarden
<je...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <cischv$pr0$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
> Jess Anderson <ande...@wisc.edu> wrote:
>> Frank McQuarry:
>>> Scott Safier:
>>
>>>> [..]
>>
>>> Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
>>
>> No surprise there: walks like an ass, talks like an ass, ...
>
> No surprise here, either.
Apparently there is a huge blind spot in his self congratulatory social
climbing. I am always surprised when people let themselves be seen like
this. I guess one can't help it when there is a blind spot the size of a
truck.
corry
Scott Safier
> Scott Safier:
>
>>However, to believe that I will sit back and let Tony (and
>>Mike) belittle what I do when it is quite evident that they
>>themselves do absolutely nothing.
>
> it a growing number of times, that what they do is nothing,
> moreover "absolutely nothing"?
>
I know more about such things than you do. Deal.
Scott Safier
>
>
> Scott Safier wrote:
> [..]
>
> Well, I've had my say, (perhaps too much say.)
>
And you are still missing my point.
Scott Safier
> On 22/09/04 4:28 PM, in article cit1ra$pii$1...@panix2.panix.com, "Ellen Evans"
><je...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <cischv$pr0$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
>> Jess Anderson <ande...@wisc.edu> wrote:
>>> Frank McQuarry:
>>>> Scott Safier:
>>>
>>>>> [..]
>>>
>>>> Psssst. Hey, Scott, you're behaving like an ass.
>>>
>>> No surprise there: walks like an ass, talks like an ass, ...
>>
>> No surprise here, either.
>
> Apparently there is a huge blind spot in his self congratulatory social
I'm assuming his is me.
> climbing. I am always surprised when people let themselves be seen like
> this. I guess one can't help it when there is a blind spot the size of a
> truck.
You're right. I hate doing it. However, in this case, I really do
feel like someone with absolutely no right to do so is putting me
down. And I'm not going to let it happen.
Scott Safier
> In article <slrncl3m7p...@pong.telerama.com>, Scott Safier wrote:
>
>> I know you have been, and if you note, I have been very careful to
>> limit the attack to Tony and not to everyone here in general. As for
>> Tony, from everything I've gleaned over the years, he does nothing.
>> The community in PA is not so large that I wouldn't hear something or
>> have my inquiries turn something up should he do anything except sit
>
No. I was wondering whether someone with such a big attitude about
himself actually should have such a thing. You failed.
Cornelia Wyngaarden
"Scott Safier" Entirely not getting it wrote:
>
> You're right. I hate doing it. However, in this case, I really do
> feel like someone with absolutely no right to do so is putting me
> down. And I'm not going to let it happen.
>
Sweetness, you're doing all his dirty work *for* him.
corry
Frank McQuarry
Scott Safier wrote:
> Frank McQuarry:
> >
> >
> > Scott Safier wrote:
> > [..]
> >
> > Well, I've had my say, (perhaps too much say.)
> >
>
> And you are still missing my point.
No, I don't think so. I never blamed you for defending yourself, just criticized
the way you went about it.
As to no one coming to your defense. This is usenet. Are you a newbie?
Scott Safier
If I felt someone else was willing to stand up to him for me, I
wouldn't have to.
Scott Safier
:-) Heh. Are you? I do understand the dynamics. But, when those
dynamics work against someone with a habit of flaming, watch out for a
flame war. You may not appreciate it, but it can be avoided. That's
the message for those that don't like my reaction.
Michael Palmer
<fmcq...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>As to no one coming to your defense. This is usenet. Are you a newbie?
Not only is this usenet, it's soc.motss. Where we'd eat each other's
young, if more of us had any. With some fava beans and a nice
chianti.
Julia's Child
--
Michael Palmer
Claremont, California
mpa...@panix.com