Homoerotic bible quotes?
Ciaran McHale
Does anybody have a list of homoerotic quotes from the bible?
Thanks in advance.
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Karin E. Baker
>Does anybody have a list of homoerotic quotes from the bible?
>Thanks in advance.
You could view the Book of Ruth as homoerotic.. this woman refuses to go
off and marry some guy in order to stay with another woman...
><> "If there was a straight pill, would you take it?"
><> "I dunno. I can't even bother with aspirin."
><> --- From the movie _Together Alone_
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Ciaran McHale
keb...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Karin E. Baker) writes:
>>Does anybody have a list of homoerotic quotes from the bible?
>
>off and marry some guy in order to stay with another woman...
Thanks, but it's not exactly what I am looking for. I want short quotes
(just a few lines long) from the bible which might be considered
homoerotic or pro-queer. Such quotes would be great for writing on
posters during, say, GLBO Awareness Week in college. I have one so far,
but it's one I made up rather than being authentic:
"Oh wow! I'm queer. Yippee!
Revelations 10:19
adolphson
cjmc...@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
| ... I want short quotes
| (just a few lines long) from the bible which might be considered
| homoerotic or pro-queer. Such quotes would be great for writing on
| posters during, say, GLBO Awareness Week in college. [...]
I've always thought this kind of theological debate is pointless.
Let's face it, the Bible is stacked against you. Oh sure, there's
the story of David and Jonathan, and there's some ambiguous stuff
about Jesus and John, and there is Ruth (whither thou goest...),
but really not much else. It's makes more sense to me to refuse
to *argue* with them and, instead, throw things like "You call
it sodomy, we call it fabulous" at them.
Arne
Rod Williams
>> cjmc...@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>
>| ... I want short quotes
>| (just a few lines long) from the bible which might be considered
>| homoerotic or pro-queer. Such quotes would be great for writing on
>| posters during, say, GLBO Awareness Week in college. [...]
>
>I've always thought this kind of theological debate is pointless.
> ...It's makes more sense to me to refuse
>to *argue* with them and, instead, throw things like "You call
>it sodomy, we call it fabulous" at them.
What happened to Leviticus Nation, the group in Portland
that combined both tactics by making fun of the contra-
dictions in the Bible -- picketing seafood restaurants,
chastising clean-shaven men, poly/cotton wearers, etc...?
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Annemarie Succop
>What happened to Leviticus Nation, the group in Portland
>that combined both tactics by making fun of the contra-
>dictions in the Bible -- picketing seafood restaurants,
>chastising clean-shaven men, poly/cotton wearers, etc...?
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i wonder how orthodox jews, who actually *follow* these restrictions,
feel about this? i'd imagine somewhere b/w insulted & confused...
song of solomon has some beautiful stuff about sex/romance in
general; maybe u could quote that & change the pronouns? seems kinda
pointless & obnoxious, tho.
annemarie
Laura Halliday
> Does anybody have a list of homoerotic quotes from the bible?
There's lots in the bible that can be read homoerotically - remember that the
common marriage vow (`Whither thou goest...') was one woman talking to another.
There's lots like that...OK, I know, the only example I can think of offhand is
Ruth and Naomi, but I *am* a dyke; I'll let you boys find stuff about men. :-)
:-)
...laura
Ciaran McHale
>>> cjmc...@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>>
>>| ... I want short quotes
>>| (just a few lines long) from the bible which might be considered
>>| homoerotic or pro-queer. Such quotes would be great for writing on
>>| posters during, say, GLBO Awareness Week in college. [...]
>>
>>I've always thought this kind of theological debate is pointless.
>>Let's face it, the Bible is stacked against you...
>> ...It's makes more sense to me to refuse
>>to *argue* with them and, instead, throw things like "You call
>>it sodomy, we call it fabulous" at them.
I'm past the stage of trying to argue with people who quote the bible.
But a few posters with homoerotic biblical quotes would nicely
complement a few other irreverent designs. I got the idea from somebody
else in the college GL society last year. Instead of putting up the
conventional posters which boringly state when/where the next meeting
will take place, we started putting up posters which poked fun at
stereotypes and oppression in a very irreverent manner. Here are a few
examples to show what I mean. Imagine a basic poster which has the name
of the Society at the top and the location of meetings at the bottom. In
the middle is lots of room to write details about meetings (date & time,
name of speaker/discussion topic etc).
Now imagine having some of the following messages written in on these
posters:
====cut here====
"John the Baptist and Watersports"
--- Open group discussion
Thursday 8pm
====cut here====
<simple drawing of a mirror>
Look in the mirror.
What do you see? Yourself.
Absolutetly queer!
So come along this Thursday 8pm
====cut here====
Recruitment now underway.
Application forms available Thursday 8pm.
====cut here====
<drawing of official-looking "CONDEMNED" sign placed haphazardly>
By the Church, State and Cliff Richard <or other whimsical celebrity>
Find out why this Thursday 8pm.
====cut here====
Terminally straight? Don't fear! There is hope for you yet.
Miracle cures now available every Thursday night 8pm.
====cut here====
"Can Heterosexuality be Cured?"
--- Talk by leading expert
Thursay 8pm.
====cut here====
KY, PROBE and Wetgel
We put them to the test
Thursday 8pm.
====cut here====
Do vegetarians really taste better?
Find out Thursday 8pm when we compare vegetarians and meat-eaters in a
head-to-head contest.
====cut here====
Do you have any idea what might have caused you to be straight?
'Cos we're buggered if we know!
====cut here====
"Hot Bi Chicks"
"My Best Mate Went Down on Me"
and other heterosexual male fantasies explored Thursday 8pm
====cut here====
Interior decorating and fashion tips
Thursday 8pm
====cut here====
"Does aversion therapy really work?"
--- Three former heterosexuals attest to its effectiveness
Thursday 8pm.
====cut here====
I think that a few homoerotic bible quotes would fit in quite nicely
with the above.
heather e blair
[David and Saul's son Jonathan are well... and Saul hates David]
[I Samuel 18:1-4]
And it came to pass, when [David] had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that
the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved
him as his own soul. ... Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he
loved him as his own soul. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that
was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and
to his bow, and to his girdle.
[Jonathan is killed]
[II Samuel 1:25-6]
[David's lament:] How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle!
O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. I am distressed for
thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy
love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
--
- Heather Blair h4...@midway.uchicago.edu
Jari Junikka
>I've always thought this kind of theological debate is pointless.
>Let's face it, the Bible is stacked against you.
Wait. What about Jesus and the apostoles.
Would you expect they were doing during those long nights....
Ora ed labora.
jari
Elf Sternberg
one give ME a hard-on... :-)
"And it came to pass that the soul of Jonathon was with the soul of
David and he loved him as his own soul. And the soul of David was with
Jonathan and he loved him as his own soul. And Jonathon and David made
a covenant. And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was on him
and gave it to david, and his garments, even to his sword and to his
bow and to his girdle ... Jonathon, Saul's son, delighted much in
David."
Samuel I, 18:19
Elf !!!
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Mike Drayton
>Does anybody have a list of homoerotic quotes from the bible?
----------
I think one was just posted.
Mike Drayton
mdra...@sr.hp.com
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
[deletions]
>
>====cut here====
>
><simple drawing of a mirror>
>Look in the mirror.
>What do you see? Yourself.
>Absolutetly queer!
>So come along this Thursday 8pm
>
>====cut here====
>
Normally I no more enter into a bible discussion than I
would try to persuade an emacs user to devote him or herself to
the VI editor.
However, Ciaran puts me in mind of my personal god and
savior, Cole Porter. I recently got a four-cassette set of
Cole Porter songs from the Smithsonian and ever since have as
been as near to heaven I ever expect to get.
The bit above in particularly reminded of Charlotte
Greenwood's rendition of "Nobody's Chasing Me" from _Out of
this World_. In it she sings in her inimitable fashion the
following:
"Each night I take my mirror
Down from the shelf.
Each night I'm getting queerer,
Chasing myself."
--
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
"Well, I'm a little muddled." -- Glinda
Djelrik Solis
Well, I've looked, and ... nope, not a bible in the house. There
were two Mormon varieties lying about for a while, but two weeks ago they
went in the trash. I *really* hate to throw books away, but what does one
do with these things? Read them for a good laugh?
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Arnold M Zwicky
let me recommend ella fitzgerald's _the cole porter songbook_
and (even better, i think) _the rodgers and hart songbook_.
delicious stuff. (hmm...i think i'll jettison _morning edition_
and go back to ella...)
arnold
Doretta Schrock
>rjw...@PacBell.COM (Rod Williams) writes:
>
>
>>What happened to Leviticus Nation, the group in Portland
>>that combined both tactics by making fun of the contra-
>>dictions in the Bible -- picketing seafood restaurants,
>>chastising clean-shaven men, poly/cotton wearers, etc...?
>>--
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>>rod williams -=- pacific bell -=- san francisco -=- rjw...@pacbell.com
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>
>
> i wonder how orthodox jews, who actually *follow* these restrictions,
> feel about this? i'd imagine somewhere b/w insulted & confused...
>
No, no, no. They aren't making fun of contradictions in the Bible.
They are making fun of the contradiction involved in claiming it is
absolutely critical to take one set of things absolutely seriously
and literally while blithely ignoring everything else. And, mind you,
with no rationale for picking which things go in which set. (Well,
they do have Peter's experience as a reason for dumping the dietary
restrictions, but that still leaves a whole bunch of other stuff they
pick and choose from.)
Doretta
dor...@agora.rain.com
'
a flying squirrel
> Well, I've looked, and ... nope, not a bible in the house. There
>were two Mormon varieties lying about for a while, but two weeks ago they
>went in the trash. I *really* hate to throw books away, but what does one
>do with these things? Read them for a good laugh?
A couple of years ago, Brad and I used it to murder about a dozen
mosquitos (this one *can* be spelled with an 'e', Danny) in Yosemite.
It was like a performance art scene: late at night, a bug would land on the
ceiling, Brad would scream "Praise the Lord" and the book would sail up
and crush the life out of the little bloodsucker. There was only this
one lamp in the room, casting these strange shadows as the book approached
impact. The little bug stains were unusual as well.
I wonder what the other guests thought of these noises late (1AM) at
night? A revival meeting? Too bad this wasn't the Ahwahnee.
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i'm your girl friend
i'm your squirrel friend
i'm your round the world friend
Lewis
>Now imagine having some of the following messages written in on these
>posters:
One of the best ones that showed up here was somewhat of a local phenomenon.
I'll be very descriptive, for those in other countries/locales.
It involved Bart Simpson (a rebellious TV cartoon character), with a single
earring in his right ear (in this part of the world, it supposedly denotes
homosexuality), on lavender paper. The 'voice balloon' said
"Get used to it, man."
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"Under heaven, all can see beauty only because there is ugliness.
All can know good as good only because there is evil."
--
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"Under heaven, all can see beauty only because there is ugliness.
All can know good as good only because there is evil."
Kevin D Colagio
->
->Does anybody have a list of homoerotic quotes from the bible?
->
->Thanks in advance.
->
I don't know of any, but I have heard that there is a disciple (sp?) who
wrote that the entire group of disciples were gay. I have know idea who
this was (as I have [basically] NO religious training) but if someone finds
out and can pass the info on to me.....
I would be GREATLY appreciative...how greatly? <grin> VERY!
*hugs*
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Nelson Minar
>What happened to Leviticus Nation, the group in Portland that
>combined both tactics by making fun of the contra- dictions in the
>Bible -- picketing seafood restaurants, chastising clean-shaven men,
>poly/cotton wearers, etc...?
Still going strong. The group you're thinking of is actually the
"Family Alliance of God", and as you pointed out the purpose of the
group is to encouraging legislating all of the laws of Leviticus, not
just the invectives against homosexuality. Or as they so succinctly
put it, "we put in what the OCA left out."
If you were at the motss.con, you might have seen me passing around
Alan's membership - yes, he's a card-carrying FAG. I'm a dues-paying
member, too, but I lost my card somewhere.
There were rumours of an Oyster Eater Nation, a counter-protest
movement to protect shellfish-space from the FAG fundies. They are a
rather sporadic group, though, torn with internal struggles over
economic issues.
--
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adolphson
fra...@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
[...]
> However, Ciaran puts me in mind of my personal god and
> savior, Cole Porter. I recently got a four-cassette set of
> Cole Porter songs from the Smithsonian and ever since have as
> been as near to heaven I ever expect to get.
Ditto for me wrt Cole Porter. I've been thinking of buying
the set, but I'm afraid I might have a lot of it already and
it's *so* *expensive*.
> The bit above in particularly reminded of Charlotte
> Greenwood's rendition of "Nobody's Chasing Me" from _Out of
> this World_. In it she sings in her inimitable fashion the
> following: [...]
Charlotte Greenwood is wonderful, isn't she. So what else
in on it? Any unusual Ethel Merman?
Well, my vote for the *queeniest* of all Cole Porter songs is
"Is It the Girl (Or Is It the Gown)?", which was introduced
by the, um, imitable Dolores Gray in the review _Seven
Lively Arts_. Let's see if I can remember the refrain.
Is it the girl or is it the gown?
Which one of the two do you love?
Is it her hair that makes her so fair?
Is it her lips you long to caress
Or is it that exquisite dress?
Is she the dream of all you desire
Or is it her frock that happens to knock you down?
Is it the girl you love so dearly
Or is it merely her beautiful gown?
I think I got that right. Dolores Gray actually recorded it
on one of the Ben Bagley records. She also recorded an OK
version of "I'm Unlucky at Gambling" (a song in which she
finds out that both she and her dat really like John Gilbert
a *lot*), but Julie Wilson's recording of that is much better.
I can't think of a lesbian song by Porter at the moment, although
one of the lines in "Can-Can" is "If in Lesbos a pure Lesbian can/
Baby you can can-can too".
Oh, and I echo Arnold on the Ella songbooks. The Cole Porter
is very good, and the Rodgers and Hart is *great*.
Arne
J. N. Shaumeyer
> fra...@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>
> [...]
> > However, Ciaran puts me in mind of my personal god and
>
> Well, my vote for the *queeniest* of all Cole Porter songs is
> "Is It the Girl (Or Is It the Gown)?", which was introduced
> by the, um, imitable Dolores Gray in the review _Seven
> Lively Arts_. Let's see if I can remember the refrain.
[he does!]
Something for everyone, Arne. Let's not forget
that *delicious* line ["You're the Top", from
the show "Anything Goes"]:
But if, baby, I'm the bottom, you're the top!
--jns
Jess Anderson
In article <1992Aug8.0...@wam.umd.edu>
j...@wam.umd.edu (J. N. Shaumeyer) writes:
>Let's not forget
>that *delicious* line ["You're the Top", from
>the show "Anything Goes"]:
> But if, baby, I'm the bottom, you're the top!
As it happens, I saw a quite spirited, amazingly good
production (local folks, no less) of this very delightful
musical just this evening. Such a fun show.
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John Ioannidis
>In <1992Aug5.1...@dsg.cs.tcd.ie> cjmc...@dsg.cs.tcd.ie (Ciaran McHale) writes:
>
>
>>Does anybody have a list of homoerotic quotes from the bible?
>
One of my favorite passages (thanks to BBC for pointint it out):
LUKE 17:34:
I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one
shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
(I've checked the greek "original"; "two men" is really "two" (DYO),
but we know it's talking about men because the word for "the one"
(EIS) is male).
/ji
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John Ioannidis
>Normally I no more enter into a bible discussion than I
>would try to persuade an emacs user to devote him or herself to
>the VI editor.
>
BURN THE HERETIC!
(emacs lives!)
Hillel Gazit
#that combined both tactics by making fun of the contra-
#dictions in the Bible -- picketing seafood restaurants,
#chastising clean-shaven men, poly/cotton wearers, etc...?
In article <asuccop.713036834@milton> asu...@milton.u.washington.edu
(Annemarie Succop) writes:
> i wonder how orthodox jews, who actually *follow* these restrictions,
> feel about this? i'd imagine somewhere b/w insulted & confused...
Orthodox jews are almost never confused, they just ask the
rabbi what they should think...
They hate the people who eat non Kosher, and they hate homosexuals.
Last year rabbi Shach (90 years old, the *top* rabbi of the
Mitnagdim) attacked the kibbutzs because they eat rabbits. (The
kibbutzs show enough homophobia so he could not attack them on
that...)
Actually, the orthodox jews manage to win more victories in the
fight against secular jews than in the fight against homosexuals.
It is illegal to grow pigs in most of Israel, and there is no
public transportation in Shabbat. The laws against homosexuals
are still in the books from the time that Israel was a part
of the British Empire, but the chief prosecutor issued an
instruction to ignore them. (The homophobic police still
arrests gays for 48 hours, but it can't prosecute them.)
> annemarie
Hillel ga...@cs.duke.edu
"Golems are *goyim* that always wanted to be Jewish. But they never suffered
enough guilt." --- ("From A to Z, in the Chocolate Alphabet", Harlan Ellison)
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>fra...@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
>>Normally I no more enter into a bible discussion than I
>>would try to persuade an emacs user to devote him or herself to
>>the VI editor.
>BURN THE HERETIC!
>(emacs lives!)
Yes, but it's a conspiracy by all of us vi users: While you
are all out there getting Carpal Tunnel Syndrome from typing things like
M-x IvebeentypingthenameofthiscommandforsolongIforgetwhatitissuppsedtodo!
all the time, we're taking your jobs and getting your work in faster... :-)
(Using emacs and TeX at the same time is the most heinous thing, it ends
up being something like 5 keystrokes per printed character...)
The other neat thing I've seen happen from using emacs is when someone
has put in shortcut commands all other the place, then goes to help
someone on their workspace, forgets they are in a different environment,
and starts using their shortcuts with someone else's mappings! (Oops!)
I've seen some HORRIBLY nasty things occur, wiping out some long
editing sessions.
Whereas we happy vi users, can be virtually 100% certain
that hjkl will still get us back to where we started (literally,
try it! :-)
[Insert a gazillion smileys here...]
Smooches,
BBC
Lovegod
*looks side to side to see if any of his techno/house peers are watching*
Polydor/Verve also put out two Cole Porter compilations with such greats a
Billie Holiday, Sarah Vaughn, Blossom Dearie, Betty Carter, Ella Fitzgerald,
Dinah Washington, etc ...
UTTERLY DELECTABLE!!! Tell them that Donald said so!
*returns to his headphones with are blasting Black Traxx Volume III*
David G. Schutt
what Sodom is all about, but he wants to know what Gomorrah is?
Nelson Minar
>A friend of mine claims to know about Sodom & Gomorrah. He says he knows
>what Sodom is all about, but he wants to know what Gomorrah is?
stealth lesbians.
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Jack B. Nimble
li...@netcom.com (Lile Elam) writes:
>
>dso...@koko.csustan.edu (Djelrik Solis) writes:
>
>
>
>> Well, I've looked, and ... nope, not a bible in the house. There
>>were two Mormon varieties lying about for a while, but two weeks ago they
>>went in the trash. I *really* hate to throw books away, but what does one
>>do with these things? Read them for a good laugh?
>
>Well, you could always recycle them instead of filling dumps with such
>items. They could even be recycled into toilet paper and cardboard or
>prehaps paper for newsprint. :)
>
Or, I suppose, you could borrow one from your friendly hotel the next
time you travel. Hell, you'd be doing your fellow travellers a service
by giving them more room to store their personal stuff in the night
table. :-)
-jbn
Jon Conrad
>I can't think of a lesbian song by Porter at the moment, although
>one of the lines in "Can-Can" is "If in Lesbos a pure Lesbian can/
>Baby you can can-can too".
There's a passing reference in "Kate the Great," a song dropped from
"Anything Goes" before it opened. It's about Catherine the Great of
Russia, and the couplet in question goes something like:
She made the butler, she made the groom,
She made the maid who made the room.
This line made it "too dirty" for Ethel Merman to sing on opening night
("Cole, my *parents* are going to be in the audience!"), so out it went.
Kim Criswell performs it in the appendix that ends the McGlinn recording
of "Anything Goes" on EMI.
Jon Alan Conrad
John Ioannidis
>In article <tb2mv9d...@netcom.com> sch...@netcom.com (David G. Schutt) writes:
>>A friend of mine claims to know about Sodom & Gomorrah. He says he knows
>>what Sodom is all about, but he wants to know what Gomorrah is?
>
>stealth lesbians.
>--
*ROFL*
Thanks, Nelson. This made my day!
Don Hopkins
Djelrik Solis writes:
> Well, I've looked, and ... nope, not a bible in the house.
>There were two Mormon varieties lying about for a while, but two
>weeks ago they went in the trash. I *really* hate to throw books
>away, but what does one do with these things? Read them for a
>good laugh?
A couple of years ago, Brad and I used it to murder about a dozen
mosquitos (this one *can* be spelled with an 'e', Danny) in
Yosemite. It was like a performance art scene: late at night, a
bug would land on the ceiling, Brad would scream "Praise the Lord"
and the book would sail up and crush the life out of the little
bloodsucker. There was only this one lamp in the room, casting
these strange shadows as the book approached impact. The little
bug stains were unusual as well.
I wonder what the other guests thought of these noises late (1AM) at
night? A revival meeting? Too bad this wasn't the Ahwahnee.
Thank you for associating a new meaning with the term "bible thumper"!
When staying in a hotel room that included a free bible, I would
autograph it, "God".
-Don
adolphson
| In article <l8601f...@mizar.usc.edu>
| adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
|
|
| There's a passing reference in "Kate the Great," a song dropped from
| "Anything Goes" before it opened. It's about Catherine the Great of
| Russia, and the couplet in question goes something like:
|
| She made the butler, she made the groom,
| She made the maid who made the room.
Ah yes, I'd forgotten "Kate the Great". I like the couplet
immediately following the one you quoted:
She made the army, she made the marines,
Made some of them princes, and some of them queens
| This line made it "too dirty" for Ethel Merman to sing on opening night
| ("Cole, my *parents* are going to be in the audience!"), so out it went.
A pity, too. Ethel would have been *brilliant* on it.
| Kim Criswell performs it in the appendix that ends the McGlinn recording
| of "Anything Goes" on EMI.
And Karen Morrow sings it on one of the Ben Bagley Cole Porter
Revisted records. (She sings it quite well, too.)
Arne
A Usenet Pal
>Or, I suppose, you could borrow one from your friendly hotel the next
>time you travel. Hell, you'd be doing your fellow travellers a service
>by giving them more room to store their personal stuff in the night
>table. :-)
"Bibles can ALWAYS be obtained FOR FREE from Hotels, Church organizations,
the Gideon Society, thrift stores, and your parents' house. Be advised
that in certain instances theft is a moral obligation."
-Mark Pauline
-paul asente
ase...@adobe.com ...decwrl!adobe!asente moo-...@cs.stanford.edu
To beguile the tedium of the journey Albert read aloud from Volume Eleven
of the "Encyclopedia of Unimaginable Customs."
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
>
>Charlotte Greenwood is wonderful, isn't she. So what else
>in on it? Any unusual Ethel Merman?
>
Probably not unusual in your terms, but for us lesser
mortals "Down in the Dumps on the 90th Floor" might be
considered so. What is that word for the kind of gown she's
wearing, p-somethng-lated?
In the book that comes with the tapes, there's a picture of
Greenwood. She's wearing slacks and a mink coat, studying
her script with one long leg sticking up the air with an
almost impossible flexibility. How I would have loved to
seen her on stage in her prime -- a long prime it was.
adolphson
> Probably not unusual in your terms, but for us lesser
> mortals "Down in the Dumps on the 90th Floor" might be
> considered so. What is that word for the kind of gown she's
> wearing, p-somethng-lated?
*Fabulous* song, isn't it? (It should "Down in the Depths on
the 90th Floor".)
"Here I sit above the town in my pet pailletted gown"
Paillettes are spangles. Merman wore a dress *covered*
with bugle beads during that number.
> In the book that comes with the tapes, there's a picture of
> Greenwood. She's wearing slacks and a mink coat, studying
> her script with one long leg sticking up the air with an
> almost impossible flexibility. How I would have loved to
> seen her on stage in her prime -- a long prime it was.
Thank god she made as many movies as she did. I've always
been particularly fond of her in the 20th Century Fox musicals
she made in the '40s, especially "Down Argentine Way" and
the truly brilliant "The Gang's All Here".
Arne
Tane' Tachyon
In article <l8iqg...@mizar.usc.edu> adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>*Fabulous* song, isn't it? (It should "Down in the Depths on
>the 90th Floor".)
>
>"Here I sit above the town in my pet pailletted gown"
Oh dear ... my ears always interpreted that as "ventilated gown" and
assumed it was supposed to be a cute way to describe a revealing outfit.
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and... no bus. Ah well, the next one's in about 10 minutes. Oh,
there it is, merging back into traffic, climbing the hill. It's hot
already, and the sun off the windows of the bus is blinding. There's a
golden shimmer, and I catch a glimse of the driver. Four inches of
dangling, gold earrings. I move back, the door opens, and in the blink
on an eye, realize that it's a man. My God, a drag queen's driving the
bus! Looking around, everything seems normal. I turn forward, she's
quite a sight. Red, two inch nails, and black, fingerless gloves. Hey,
she's a professional driver! Redder-than-thou lipstick. Heavy base.
Eye make-up from hell. Big, round, vain, sunglasses. Hair tied back.
She's making conversation with the thin woman. It's gonna be a hot one.
Twenty-eighth. We're pulling up. I can't stop smiling. It's the
bookworm. Clerical sort. Kinda attractive, nerdish. Fag. Those
annoying glasses which darken, so you can't see the man. He boards.
Nothing. No reaction. He's turned inward. Perhaps he's content, and
not looking for anything.
Thirty-fourth, the light. Another man, closeted. Wait! He reacts!
A series of emotions, settling finally into distaste. I *Smile*. Nothing.
He walks passed.
The fire-station. I pull the cord, and stand. Love the leather hand-
holds they've added.
"Take care." Lame, but my auto-farewell, & I'd not had coffee yet.
"Have a *Nice* Day.", with the acknowledgement of a smile. I hope
she does.
I like Portland. Smiling, I putz off to starbucks. I'm happy.
ben tucker -- b...@agora.rain.com -- (503) 236-5138 H - (503) 777-3361 W
Mark Morrissey
> I like Portland. Smiling, I putz off to starbucks. I'm happy.
Starbucks! Has anyone verified that Starbucks is giving money to the
OCA? I hope to have final confirmation at the No on Hate meeting on
the 19th, but if anyone on the net has this info...
I can see a kiss-in at Starbuck's looming on the horizon.
--mark
--
Mark Morrissey One Hatred to rule them all. One Hatred to find them.
ma...@cse.ogi.edi One Hatred to bring them all and in the darkness bind
them. In the land of Bigotry where the Shadows lie.
Nelson Minar
>Starbucks! Has anyone verified that Starbucks is giving money to the OCA?
I've never heard this one before. You've got more information than I
do, though. This shouldn't be too hard to determine - isn't there a
public register of who gave money to what PAC?
>I can see a kiss-in at Starbuck's looming on the horizon.
as long as we don't have to drink the coffee.
--
__
nel...@reed.edu \/ There is absolutely no other possibility
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
>
>*Fabulous* song, isn't it? (It should "Down in the Depths on
>the 90th Floor".)
>
>"Here I sit above the town in my pet pailletted gown"
>
>Paillettes are spangles. Merman wore a dress *covered*
>with bugle beads during that number.
>
Thanks for the correction and the information. One cannot
know too much about spangles.
BTW, another Merman number that is a little out of the ordinary and
included in this set is a duet from "Panama Hattie" (I think that's
right), sung with a young girl. It's a variation of the let's-be-pals
song that Cole did so well. The girl corrects La Merman's grammar and
taste, is too sophisticated for all the childish treats the woman
suggests, etc. A lot of fun. I don't have the tapes here today so I
can't be more specific, but I'll be awfully let down if you don't
recognize even this vague description.
peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)
>
>Recruitment now underway.
>Application forms available Thursday 8pm.
>
>====cut here====
bisexual myths in action! i *like* it!
>====cut here====
>
>"Can Heterosexuality be Cured?"
>--- Talk by leading expert
>Thursay 8pm.
>
>====cut here====
this reminds me! i saw one of the funniest papebacks
at a local alternative/feminist/lesbian bookstore!
it was titled _heterosexuality: what causes it_ or
something very similar. i read the intro and first
2 chapters there, but had no $$$. :( i was chortling
rather noticably, much to the amusement of my so and
a friendly dyke who had apparently already read it.
the charts alone, on all the possible "causes" of
heterosexuality (wonderful reversals!) are worth noting.
and chapter 2, on what it takes for a normal man to
pass as a heterosexual -- <giggle> -- read it.
peg
-smiling at the memory and looking a bit foolish at usite...
adolphson
| BTW, another Merman number that is a little out of the ordinary and
| included in this set is a duet from "Panama Hattie" (I think that's
| right), sung with a young girl. It's a variation of the let's-be-pals
| song that Cole did so well. [...]
Let's Be Buddies. The young girl is Joan Carroll. Does the set
include Make It Another Old Fashioned? That's my favorite Panama
Hattienumber.
Arne
Elizabeth Zwicky
>In article <l8iqg...@mizar.usc.edu> adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
>>Paillettes are spangles. Merman wore a dress *covered*
>>with bugle beads during that number.
>Thanks for the correction and the information. One cannot
>know too much about spangles.
In that case, you would probably like to know that paillettes are a
particular type of spangle; they are, in fact, large, flat sequins. A
dress covered in bugle beads is not pailletted. Because paillettes are
large (in the 1 inch diameter range). a pailletted dress would be less
pretty and less expensive than one made with bugle beads. Webster's
New Collegiate claims that any old spangle is a paillette, but it was
probably compiled by people who believed that it was all too easy to
know too much about spangles, and didn't shop in the right catalogues.
Elizabeth D. Zwicky
zwi...@erg.sri.com
Ciaran McHale
pm...@ellis.uchicago.edu (peggy boucher murphy (you had to ask?)) writes:
>this reminds me! i saw one of the funniest papebacks
>at a local alternative/feminist/lesbian bookstore!
>it was titled _heterosexuality: what causes it_ or
>something very similar. i read the intro and first
>2 chapters there, but had no $$$. :( i was chortling
>rather noticably, much to the amusement of my so and
>a friendly dyke who had apparently already read it.
>
>the charts alone, on all the possible "causes" of
>heterosexuality (wonderful reversals!) are worth noting.
>and chapter 2, on what it takes for a normal man to
>pass as a heterosexual -- <giggle> -- read it.
Here's the reference to the book (short review afterwards):
@book{misc-4,
author = "Gillian E. Handscombe and Martin Humphries",
title = "{Heterosexuality}",
publisher = "GMP Publishers Limited",
year = "1987",
address = "P.O. Box~247, London~N15~6RW, England",
edition = "1st",
month = sep,
note = "Distributed in North America by Subterranean Company,
P.O. Box~10233, Eugene, Oregon~97440, USA.
ISBN~0-85449-034-5.
UK~\pounds4.95;
US~\$9.95",
blurb = "Why are some people so stubbornly attracted to the
opposite sex? What exactly {\em is\/} heterosexuality?
What causes it? Is it a satisfactory lifestyle for the
individuals affected? Can it be cured? And why is it so
often the subject of powerful irrational feelings?
\par
Questions like these have vexed lesbians and gay men
from time immemorial. In this highly original
anthology, the nature of heterosexuality is examined
from a wide range of converging perspectives. The
contributors use memoir, fiction, illustration and
verse as well as the more scholarly techniques of
social psychology. They explore such themes as
friendship with heterosexual women, working politically
with straight men, social behaviour in the heterosexual
community, and the philosophical basis of the
heterosexual norm---to name but a few.
\par
Produced by a team of acknowledged experts, each with
long experience in this field of study, this book has
an appeal for both specialist and general reader.
Certain to become the established authority on its
subject."
}
From the blurb on the back cover, it appears that the book is one which
pokes fun at heterosexuality. _Some_ articles in the book certainly do
this. Like Peg, I recommend the following from it:
"What Exactly is Heterosexuality... and what causes it?"
--- The name says it all
"Hetiquette"
--- This is a fictional letter from a man to his boyfriend about
how to behave when they go to visit his parents for a weekend.
It is a wonderful satire of the hassles of being in the closet.
And also:
"Whose Problem is it Anyway"
--- This gives an account of a heterosexual women who goes for
psychoanalysis in order to be "cured." Most of the text is
composed of the dialogue between the patient and her doctor.
The rest of the book is composed of a few personsl accounts and serious
essays, many of which are excellent. I recomend the book, but don't be
mislead into thinking this book is composed entirely of homour.
<> It goes without saying that I have no motivation to fit in any more. I
<> prefer sanity.
<> --- "The Tables Need Turning" by Jan Parker, in "Heterosexuality"
Ciaran.
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Betsy Perry
>just in case you don't already know (about) these recordings,
>let me recommend ella fitzgerald's _the cole porter songbook_
>and (even better, i think) _the rodgers and hart songbook_.
>delicious stuff. (hmm...i think i'll jettison _morning edition_
>and go back to ella...)
Thttttthpppp! Ella (or her arranger) censored Porter something
fierce. In "Too Darn Hot", "According to the Kinsey report/Every
average man you know" becomes "...the latest report", and "Prefers to
play his favorite sport/When the temperature is low" becomes "Prefers
his lovey-dovey to court". (Why she can sing "Love For Sale" but not
mention Kinsey I leave to historians of the period.) Furthermore,
she sings "I'm always true to you, DARling in my fashion", thus
obliterating a neat internal rhyme and syncopation.
For Rodgers and Hart, I highly recommend Frederica von Stade's *My
Funny Valentine*; von Stade sings the songs absolutely straight,
to the original orchestrations, no operatic mannerisms. (Thanks to Jon
Conrad for turning me on to this one.)
Ella's *Songbook* may be great Ella, but it's so-so Porter.
Hopelessly unjazzy,
--
Betsy Hanes Perry (note P in userid) bet...@apollo.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard Company
"It seems to us that the readers who want fiction to be like life are
considerably outnumbered by those who would like life to be like fiction."
adolphson
bet...@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) *blasts* Ella Fitzgerald:
> Thttttthpppp! Ella (or her arranger) censored Porter something
> fierce.
Good heavens, Betsy, Porter was censored until *very* recently.
I imagine that it still wouldn't be possible to sing "Her Heart
Was in Her Work" (particularly not the stanza about the opera
singer who so put her heart into her work that she now has an opera
box). I think that "I Want to Be Raided By You" would not pass
Family Hour muster on TV -- can one sing "There's a policeman on
my street / And he's so sweet / When he shakes his stick /
I get a kind of kick / I thought was obsolete" (it goes on like
that)?
This is not to say that I'm crazy about Ella's Cole Porter
songbook. I like it very much, but I'm not *crazy* about it.
> For Rodgers and Hart, I highly recommend Frederica von Stade's *My
> Funny Valentine*; von Stade sings the songs absolutely straight,
> to the original orchestrations, no operatic mannerisms. (Thanks to Jon
> Conrad for turning me on to this one.)
AAAAARRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!!!
Tell me you're joking. *Please* tell me you're joking.
You want to hear some good Rodgers and Hart? How about Lee Wiley's
"The Songs of Rodgers and Hart"? How about Mary Martin's recording
with Rodgers on the piano? How about Ella's songbook?
Arne
Steven Levine
>Thttttthpppp! Ella (or her arranger) censored Porter something
>fierce.
Not near so fierce as others. These are off the top of my head,
so I may have some references wrong:
"I Get a Kick out of You," as we all know, contains the lines:
Some get a kick from cocaine
I'm sure that if I took even one sniff
That would bore me teriff-
ically too...
The published music reads:
Some like a bop type refrain
I'm sure that if I heard even one riff...
In the movie "Night and Day" it is sung (by Ethel Mermen?)
Some go for perfume from Spain
I'm sure that if I took even one sniff...
Spanish perfume?
Then there's "My Heart Belongs to Daddy," which includes the intro:
I used to fall
In love with all
Those boys who maul
Refined ladies
But now I tell
Each young gazelle
To go to hell..
I mean Hades!
I have seen a published version that reads:
I used to fall
In love with all
Those boys who maul
The young cuties
But now I find
I'm more inclined
To keep my mind
On my duties.
Which is hardly less suggestive, but avoids the word "hell."
"I Hate Men" from Kiss Me Kate includes:
Then ever marry one of them I'd rest a virgin rather
For husbands are a (boring?) lot, and often quite a bother
Of course I'm rather glad that mother *had* to marry father
Oh I hate men!
The movie version changed this:
Of course I'm rather glad that mother *deigned* to marry father...
And it's not just Cole Porter who was so bowdlerized for
Hollywood. Even good ol' wholesome Oscar Hammerstein
got reworked. In Carouse, Arminy ("Been married a year")
sings of her ordeal:
The clock just ticks your life away
There's no relief in sight
It's cookin' and scrubbin' and sewin' all day
And god-knows-whattin' all night
In the movie version, Arminy sang:
...And not much sleepin' at night
Some movie I can't recall, one of those every-Irving-Berlin
song-ever-written-performed-badly extravangazas, included
"Heat Wave." You know, the song that goes:
...She started the heat wave
By letting her seat wave.
Not in California. There
...She started the heat wave
By letting her feet wave.
Her feet? Somehow that seems worse.
Same song, same movie. Original lyrics:
It's so hot the coldest maiden feels just as warm as a bride
Movie lyrics:
It's so hot a hefty maiden lost thirty pounds from each side.
How do you lose pounds from a side? Odd.
I could go on.
-Steven Levine
ste...@cray.com
Steve Dyer
>Funny Valentine*; von Stade sings the songs absolutely straight,
>to the original orchestrations, no operatic mannerisms. (Thanks to Jon
>Conrad for turning me on to this one.)
I think I'd rather listen to _Classical Barbra_, if I felt like a
cross-over record.
If there's any sound more unnerving than fingernails on a
blackboard, it's an opera singer trying to sing popular
favorites.
--
Steve Dyer
dy...@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
Alan Batie
>This shouldn't be too hard to determine - isn't there a
>public register of who gave money to what PAC?
Yes, but unless you go down there to look at it, it costs $.15/page. I
was told it would be >$100.00 for the OCA, so Monday I'll probably just
call Just Out.
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Roger Phillips
ste...@cray.com (Steven Levine) cites
many ingenious bowdlerisations, including:
> "I Hate Men" from Kiss Me Kate includes:
> Then ever marry one of them I'd rest a virgin rather
> For husbands are a (boring?) lot, and often quite a bother
> Of course I'm rather glad that mother *had* to marry father
> Oh I hate men!
> The movie version changed this:
> Of course I'm rather glad that mother *deigned* to marry father...
> In Carouse[l], Arminy ("Been married a year") sings of her ordeal:
> The clock just ticks your life away
> There's no relief in sight
> It's cookin' and scrubbin' and sewin' all day
> And god-knows-whattin' all night
> In the movie version, Arminy sang:
> ...And not much sleepin' at night
(which gets the message across more subtly, I think.)
From memory, the part of the soliloquy:
And I'm damned if he'll marry the boss's daughter,
A skinny-lipped virgin with blood like water
became:
And I'm hanged if he'll marry the boss's daughter,
A skinny-lipped *lady* with blood like water
[I can't resist continuing:
Who'll give him a peck and call it a kiss
And look at his eyes through a lorgnette -
Say, why am I takin' on like this?
My kid ain't even been born yet!
I can see him when he's seventeen or so,
And starting in to go
With a girl.
I can give him lots of pointers, very sound,
On the way to get round
Any girl.
I can tell him - Wait a minute! Could it be?
What the - ? What if *he*
Is a girl?
All very sexist, but in character.]
--
Roger Phillips ro...@quantime.co.uk
"eclair, n. a cake, long in shape but short in duration, with cream
filling and chocolate or other icing." -- Chambers English Dictionary
Tim Pierce
> The other neat thing I've seen happen from using emacs is when someone
>has put in shortcut commands all other the place, then goes to help
>someone on their workspace, forgets they are in a different environment,
>and starts using their shortcuts with someone else's mappings! (Oops!)
>I've seen some HORRIBLY nasty things occur, wiping out some long
>editing sessions.
>
> Whereas we happy vi users, can be virtually 100% certain
>that hjkl will still get us back to where we started (literally,
>try it! :-)
Whereas those of us who use Emacs as a text editor (perish the thought
-- don't tell the FSF folks, either), rather than a combination
washing-machine-and-apple-corer, end up pretty happy no matter whose
environment we're in. :-)
--
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\ / twpi...@amherst.edu /
\/ (BITnet: TWPIERCE@AMHERST) / -- Rock Hudson
adolphson
> In article <1992Aug13.1...@microsoft.com>
> fra...@microsoft.com (Frank R.A.J. Maloney) writes:
> >In article <l8iqg...@mizar.usc.edu>
> >adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
> >>Paillettes are spangles. Merman wore a dress *covered*
> >>with bugle beads during that number.
That number being Cole Porter's "Down in the Depths on
the 90th Floor", which, btw, is identified in _Boys in the
Band_ as the faggots' national anthem. It's such a great
song, and it has some of my *favorite* Cole Porter touches:
When the crowds at El Morocco punish the parquet
And at 21 the couples clamor for more
I'm deserted and depressed
In my regal eagle nest
Down in the depths on the 90th floor
and my *favorite* internal rhyme:
When the only one you wanted wants another
What's the use of swank or cash in the bank galore?
> >Thanks for the correction and the information. One cannot
> >know too much about spangles.
>
> In that case, you would probably like to know that paillettes are a
> particular type of spangle; they are, in fact, large, flat sequins. A
> dress covered in bugle beads is not pailletted. Because paillettes are
> large (in the 1 inch diameter range). a pailletted dress would be less
> pretty and less expensive than one made with bugle beads.
Hmmm. This is very interesting. Merman made a huge fuss about
her costume for this number. Her reasoning was that if she was
going to sing the line "Here I sit above the town in my pet
pailletted gown", then she should be *wearing* a pailletted gown.
Sounds reasonable to me. The producers were tightwads and tried
to argue that the audience wouldn't notice or care, so Ethel
threatened to walk. So they authorized new costume e fr her
and she held out for the most expensive gown she could get.
(Ethel loved to twist the knife.) That probably explains why
the paillettes were actually the more expensive (and attractive)
bugle beads.
> Webster's
> New Collegiate claims that any old spangle is a paillette, but it was
> probably compiled by people who believed that it was all too easy to
> know too much about spangles, and didn't shop in the right catalogues.
You can say the same about the people who compiled the American
Heritage Dictonary, too. (Even if they *do* use a photograph of
Edouard de Reszke in costume for _Faust_ to illustrate
"Mephistopheles".)
Arne
adolphson
> In article <Bszq1...@apollo.hp.com>
> bet...@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>
> >Thttttthpppp! Ella (or her arranger) censored Porter something
> >fierce.
>
> Not near so fierce as others.
Cole Porter had to do a lot rewrites himself just to get
the music published.
> "I Get a Kick out of You," as we all know, contains the lines:
[about cocaine]
> In the movie "Night and Day" it is sung (by Ethel Mermen?)
[about perfume from Spain]
No, but I don't know who did sing it. And isn't that movie
*awful*? Alexis Smith as Linda Porter is bad enough, but what
about the relationship the movie purports they had with each
other? Yuck. Anyway, Merman sang the "perfume from Spain"
(what *would* that be? Maja?) line until the late '60s.
I just thought of another Cole Porter naughty lyric. It wasn't
in the published music, and Merman and Bert Lahr didn't record it,
not that they would have been able to. It's from "But in the
Morning No" from _Dubarry Was a Lady_, and it was sung by the
two of them in bed:
Lahr: Are you good at figures, dear?
Kindly tell me if so.
Merman: Yes I'm good at figures, dear,
But in the morning no.
Do you do double entry, dear?
Kindly tell me if so.
Lahr: I do double entry, dear,
But in the morning no.
Arne
adolphson
adol...@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
I did some checking and would like to take this
opportunity to correct a couple of errors:
> When the crowds at El Morocco punish the parquet
Should be "While the crowds at El Morocco..."
While I'm at it, I might as well note that Cole Porter had
to change the lines:
Why even the janitor's wife
Has a perfectly good love life
to read
Why even the janitor's wife
Has some sentiment in her life
in order to get the music published.
> So they authorized new costume e fr her
> and she held out for the most expensive gown she could get.
> (Ethel loved to twist the knife.)
Ethel claims that the gown (gold bugle beads) cost $1000. That's
a lot of money for a dress (I think) in 1992. _Red, Hot and Blue_,
however, was in *1936*. The producers thought they'd get even with
her, though, by having a silly bustle sewn onto the back of the
gown, so that when Ethel turned to leave the stage the audience would
laugh. Ethel wouldn't stand for that -- if an audience was going
to laugh at her, she said, it would be when she was facing them, so
she took a pair of scissors and cut the bustle off the dress.
Arne
Alan Dye
place for the alternative type. I'm having a cup of Latte' with the sisters
and to my slight surprise, a cab pulls up to the bar across the way. The
driver is a man in drag. Knowing that I am in Boise Idaho, a "slightly"
conservative place, I ask John about it, and he says, smiling, "Oh, her.
Well, she's been doing that for a couple of years now. Most of the locals
don't seem to mind." It sure made my evening.
Alan "Slightly prouder now..." Dye
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Jon Conrad
>In article <Bszq1...@apollo.hp.com> bet...@apollo.hp.com (Betsy Perry) writes:
>>For Rodgers and Hart, I highly recommend Frederica von Stade's *My
>>Funny Valentine*; von Stade sings the songs absolutely straight,
>>to the original orchestrations, no operatic mannerisms. (Thanks to Jon
>>Conrad for turning me on to this one.)
>If there's any sound more unnerving than fingernails on a
>blackboard, it's an opera singer trying to sing popular
>favorites.
Have you *heard* Von Stade's recording, Steve? She's not "trying" to
sing popular music; she's succeeding. Just as Eileen Farrell and Dorothy
Kirsten did, all in their very different ways. If you find the latter
two ladies unacceptable, then I guess we have nothing to talk about.
(Von Stade is, however, horrid on her CBS "Another Side of Flicka"
album, where she's trying to be something she's not; the "My Funny
Valentine" CD is in another class altogether.)
Let's remember that the musicals of the 20s-40s were, by and large,
written for cultivated singers -- I don't mean "classical," but they're
closer to it on the continuum than the pop singers of today or recent
times are. (Yes, even Ethel Merman, if you listen to her earliest
recordings.) They sang in strict rhythm and didn't mess around with the
tune. Of COURSE Ella and Sarah and Lee Wiley and all the others are
wonderful too. But there's definitely room for Von Stade's way. (And
don't let miserable experiences with Dame Kiwi et al ruin one's
receptiveness to the things a sufficiently versatile classical singer
can offer.)
Jon Alan Conrad
Roger Phillips
con...@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:
> In article <1992Aug15.0...@spdcc.com> dy...@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:
> >If there's any sound more unnerving than fingernails on a blackboard,
> >it's an opera singer trying to sing popular favorites.
> (And don't let miserable experiences with Dame Kiwi [sic] et al
> ruin one's receptiveness to the things a sufficiently versatile
> classical singer can offer.)
I just want to make it clear that Dame Kiri is *NOT* *MY* *FAULT*.
--
Roger Phillips ro...@quantime.co.uk
"poot, (Scot.) v.i. to shoot at young partridges or young grouse."
-- Chambers English Dictionary (1988)
Lou Madigan
impression that Jesus himself is not above doubt. I mean lets face it, we have
a guy here, 30 years old, never married, who hung out with 12 guys.
I friend of mine claims that it says in one of the gospels that pual loved to
put his head on jesus's breast.
I'm sold.
Lou
Ann Carlson
|> Sorry, i don't have any actual quotes for you. But i have always been of the
|> impression that Jesus himself is not above doubt. I mean lets face it, we have
|> a guy here, 30 years old, never married, who hung out with 12 guys.
|>
|> I friend of mine claims that it says in one of the gospels that pual loved to
John (the beloved disciple)
see John 21:20
|> put his head on jesus's breast.
|>
|> I'm sold.
|>
|> Lou
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George V. Reilly
) Sorry, i don't have any actual quotes for you. But i have always been of
) the impression that Jesus himself is not above doubt. I mean lets face it,
) we have a guy here, 30 years old, never married, who hung out with 12 guys.
There's an old joke which goes:
Q. How do you know Jesus was Irish?
A. Because he lived at home with his mammy until he was 30,
and hung around with a dozen fellas.
I think Ciaran will agree that that's still pretty common
in Ireland and rarely indicates homosexuality---immaturity
perhaps. I don't know how common it was in Jesus's time.
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George V. Reilly <Geor...@Microsoft.Com>
John Clark
+There's an old joke which goes:
+ Q. How do you know Jesus was Irish?
+ A. Because he lived at home with his mammy until he was 30,
+ and hung around with a dozen fellas.
+
I thought that was the Irish form of birth control.
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John Clark
jcl...@ucsd.edu
Alan Bowler
>Or, I suppose, you could borrow one from your friendly hotel the next
>time you travel. Hell, you'd be doing your fellow travellers a service
>by giving them more room to store their personal stuff in the night
>table. :-)
>
A few years ago CBC radio was interviewing someone from the Gideon
society. His job was going arround to hotels and restocking the
rooms with Bible's. He said it was expected that people would
take them, and this was just fine with the Gideons. They want people
people to have Bibles and this was as good a method as any.
Me, I went and bought on the other day. I finally have a reference
for those crossword puzzle clues "son of Jacob and Leah" etc.
John Clark
+
+Me, I went and bought on the other day. I finally have a reference
+for those crossword puzzle clues "son of Jacob and Leah" etc.
Well, that narrows the field, since Jacob and Leah had 6 sons.
Rachel being 'baren' gave her handmaiden to Jacob, who bore 2 sons.
Then Leah, being jealous gave Jacob her handmaiden who also bore 2
sons. Eventually, Rachel bore 2 sons of her own. (Only one daughter
is mentioned, Dinah).
Well, there you have it, 'Traditional Family Values' as advertized
on TV. Boy, I really think that if Hollywood would take some of
those lurid stories of the bible, give them the full biblical
discription, they would be banned.
In one case Leah bartered with Rachel for sex with Jacob. In another
time, and this is the only real mention of Dinah, Dinah had sex with a
local lothario, who then offered to marry her. Jacob made the 'must
be circumsized' requirement, which was met. The man took the woman, but
her brothers attacked the town and killed every male there.
Gosh with 'Family Values' like that it's no wonder the Christians have
had a hard sell on their high moral background. Well, the god did indicate
that that kind of behavior was a little out of order, but not enough
to have Jacob recind the name Israel.
--
John Clark
jcl...@ucsd.edu
Loren I. Petrich
And while we are on the subject of "Family Values" in the
Bible, let us not forget how many wives some of the kings of Israel
had had. Lots more than one.
And let us not forget Lot's daughters making him drunk with
wine and having sex with him in that condition.
And if one reads the New Testament carefully, one has to
conclude that the ideal kind of family life is being celibate -- and
single. Consider what Paul said about marriage being for those who
couldn't manage celibacy.
I've got a whole list of unflattering things in the Bible in
the form of my Biblical Satanic Verses [WARNING! Some of what I
comment is NOT very pretty, so if you are sensitive about that sort of
thing, it is best not to request.]