R. Crumb Publishers Need Your Help!
OhSojourner
independent sequential art books around (that's "comic books" to you laymen),
is in danger of going out of business. These are the publishers who have been
carefully compiling the complete works of Robert Crumb, as well showcasing the
talents of artists like The Hernandez Bros., Dan Clowes ("Ghost World"), Peter
Bagge, Chris Ware, and others who have since earned their place in the pop
culture world.
Not created for mass audiences, these books represent each artist's unique
personal, uncensored visions. (Some on this group might want to check out Dave
Cooper's "Crumple", which seems to echo some of the themes here, as well as
other selections)
grey
OhSojourner
>So how is that not spam, ohso?
It isn't "spam" , grey, because I have no connection with this company. It's a
"heads up". If this company goes out of business then we'll be losing a
publisher of books which may be of interest to some members of this group.
John Jones
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R Crumb? The fabulous furry Freak Brothers?
OhSojourner
That was Gilbert Shelton (whose Kitchen Sink publishing company folded not too
long ago). R. Crumb is the iconographic underground cartoonist who never cared
much for political correctness, and was the subject of an independent film
documentary a few years ago...
Mr. F. Le Mur
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->
->"OhSojourner" <ohsoj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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->> Fantagraphics Books, publishers of some of the most
->cutting-edge and original
->> independent sequential art books around (that's "comic books"
->to you laymen),
->> is in danger of going out of business. These are the
->publishers who have been
->> carefully compiling the complete works of Robert Crumb, as well
->showcasing the
->> talents of artists like The Hernandez Bros., Dan Clowes ("Ghost
->World"), Peter
->> Bagge, Chris Ware, and others who have since earned their place
->in the pop
->> culture world.
->>
->> Not created for mass audiences, these books represent each
->artist's unique
->> personal, uncensored visions. (Some on this group might want
->to check out Dave
->> Cooper's "Crumple", which seems to echo some of the themes
->here, as well as
->> other selections)
->>
->> http://www.fantagraphics.com/
->
->R Crumb? The fabulous furry Freak Brothers?
->
FFFB was Gilbert Shelton. In the Outer World, Crumb's known
for "Mr Natural" and "Keep on Truckin'." - I've got a couple
of his Fantagraphics collections/reprints, having lost most
of my old Zaps comix...that definitely warrants a 8-(
If you want to see a very bizarre family show, or rather an
indie film about a very bizarre family, check out "Crumb."
Mr. F. Le Mur
->John Jones wrote:
->
->>R Crumb? The fabulous furry Freak Brothers?
->
->That was Gilbert Shelton (whose Kitchen Sink publishing company folded not too
->long ago). R. Crumb is the iconographic underground cartoonist who never
cared
->much for political correctness, and was the subject of an independent film
That's putting it mildly!
http://www.kkn.com/jochen-gerner/crumb.jpg
http://www.xtec.es/~imagrans/crumb.jpg
->documentary a few years ago...
->
->http://www.who2.com/rcrumb.html
John Jones
"Mr. F. Le Mur" <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message
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OhSo has just recently informed me of this fact. <hangs head>
> In the Outer World, Crumb's known
> for "Mr Natural" and "Keep on Truckin'." - I've got a couple
> of his Fantagraphics collections/reprints, having lost most
> of my old Zaps comix...that definitely warrants a 8-(
>
> If you want to see a very bizarre family show, or rather an
> indie film about a very bizarre family, check out "Crumb."
So who did the "Fritz The Cat" stuff?
Mr. F. Le Mur
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->
->"Mr. F. Le Mur" <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message
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->
->
->So who did the "Fritz The Cat" stuff?
->
Crumb. He hated the movie (so did I), and Fritz was among
the worst of his characters anyway.
grey
>grey wrote:
>
>>So how is that not spam, ohso?
>
>It isn't "spam" , grey, because I have no connection with this company.
It's still spam whether you have a connection with the company or
not--it's a commercial venture, and it's not a soc.men issue.
Chris Raum
Even *that's* putting it mildly. He sold a couple of his sketch books so he
could buy a house in France and let it all hang out. About ten years ago he
did a couple of "When the [insert group here] Take Over America" that are
bru-hoo-hootal!
Chris Raum
I understand he loathed the way the "Keep On Truckin'" thing took off as
well. Heck, Crumb is just an unhappy guy, but what an artist. Remember his
piece that shows some land in America over a span of decades, going from a
pleasant meadow to a stinking inner-city slum? I wouldn't call the man a
misanthropist, though. He's more a misomnipist.
Chris Raum
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Mr. F. Le Mur
->
->"Mr. F. Le Mur" <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message
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->> On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:46:43 GMT, "John Jones"
-><enuf...@nothanks.invalid>
->> wrote:
->>
->> ->
->> ->"Mr. F. Le Mur" <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message
->> ->news:ag35ev4feqdk8ds7e...@4ax.com...
->>
->> ->
->> ->
->> ->So who did the "Fritz The Cat" stuff?
->> ->
->>
->> Crumb. He hated the movie (so did I), and Fritz was among
->> the worst of his characters anyway.
->
->I understand he loathed the way the "Keep On Truckin'" thing took off as
->well. Heck, Crumb is just an unhappy guy, but what an artist. Remember his
Because of money, IIRC. He's see it on advertisements and such.
Interesting aside: he said he picked up that drawing style as
the result of dropping acid. Here's a funny related story:
http://www.baseballreliquary.org/ellis.htm
->piece that shows some land in America over a span of decades, going from a
->pleasant meadow to a stinking inner-city slum? I wouldn't call the man a
->misanthropist, though. He's more a misomnipist.
->
Yeah, I vaguely racall that piece. In an interview he said he
"didn't like very many things."
He, and Shelton too, I think it was, both moved to France.
Mr. F. Le Mur
->
->"Mr. F. Le Mur" <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message
->news:l045ev0d299hpa4pt...@4ax.com...
->> On 07 Jun 2003 19:09:28 GMT, ohsoj...@aol.com (OhSojourner) wrote:
->>
->> ->John Jones wrote:
->> ->
->> ->>
->> ->>"OhSojourner" <ohsoj...@aol.com> wrote in message
->> ->>news:20030607022430...@mb-m06.aol.com...
->> ->>> Fantagraphics Books, publishers of some of the most
->> ->>cutting-edge and original
->> ->>> independent sequential art books around (that's "comic books"
->> ->>to you laymen),
->> ->>> is in danger of going out of business. These are the
->> ->>publishers who have been
->> ->>> carefully compiling the complete works of Robert Crumb, as well
->> ->>showcasing the
->> ->>> talents of artists like The Hernandez Bros., Dan Clowes ("Ghost
->> ->>World"), Peter
->> ->>> Bagge, Chris Ware, and others who have since earned their place
->> ->>in the pop
->> ->>> culture world.
->> ->>>
->> ->>> Not created for mass audiences, these books represent each
->> ->>artist's unique
->> ->>> personal, uncensored visions. (Some on this group might want
->> ->>to check out Dave
->> ->>> Cooper's "Crumple", which seems to echo some of the themes
->> ->>here, as well as
->> ->>> other selections)
->> ->>>
->> ->>> http://www.fantagraphics.com/
->> ->>
->> ->>R Crumb? The fabulous furry Freak Brothers?
->> ->
->> ->That was Gilbert Shelton (whose Kitchen Sink publishing company folded
->not too
->> ->long ago). R. Crumb is the iconographic underground cartoonist who
->never
->> cared
->> ->much for political correctness, and was the subject of an independent
->film
->>
->> That's putting it mildly!
->> http://www.kkn.com/jochen-gerner/crumb.jpg
->> http://www.xtec.es/~imagrans/crumb.jpg
->>
->
->Even *that's* putting it mildly. He sold a couple of his sketch books so he
->could buy a house in France and let it all hang out. About ten years ago he
->did a couple of "When the [insert group here] Take Over America" that are
->bru-hoo-hootal!
Yeah, it was kinda mild - cuz I couldn't find an online version of
"Jumpin Jack Flash," or the incest family, or the Niggerhearts(TM)...
One of the Fantagraphics releases features a fairly new Flakey Foont
story where he's married to a suit-wearing female liaryer. Talk about
gross.
Heh - I just pulled out #14 and opened it to a full page drawing
of a one of his big-legged women sitting in a guy's lap, bawling,
while he "wappity wap waps" her butt and says "Yes, my Darling,
it's a cruel world..."
Sunny
wrote:
>If you want to see a very bizarre family show, or rather an
>indie film about a very bizarre family, check out "Crumb."
I rented that. I gave it five stars.
OhSojourner
> On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 02:26:56 -0400, "Chris Raum" <cr...@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
> -> ->"Mr. F. Le Mur" <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message ->news
> ->> On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:46:43 GMT, "John Jones"
> -><enuf...@nothanks.invalid> ->> wrote: ->> ->> -> ->> ->"Mr. F.
> Le Mur" <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message ->> ->news ->> ->> ->
> ->> -> ->> ->So who did the "Fritz The Cat" stuff? ->> -> ->> ->>
> Crumb. He hated the movie (so did I), and Fritz was among ->> the
> worst of his characters anyway. -> ->I understand he loathed the way
> the "Keep On Truckin'" thing took off as ->well. Heck, Crumb is just
> an unhappy guy, but what an artist. Remember his
> Because of money, IIRC. He's see it on advertisements and such.
He was a purist; very much against prostituting his art. Bakshi actually
obtained the rights to use "Fritz the Cat" from Crumb's (then) wife while Crumb
was off somewhere else getting stoned.
> Interesting aside: he said he picked up that drawing style as the
> result of dropping acid. Here's a funny related story:
> http://www.baseballreliquary.org/ellis.htm
> ->piece that shows some land in America over a span of decades,
> going from a ->pleasant meadow to a stinking inner-city slum? I
> wouldn't call the man a ->misanthropist, though. He's more a
> misomnipist. ->
I had that poster.
> Yeah, I vaguely racall that piece. In an interview he said he
> "didn't like very many things."
Ayup. Little wonder he chose to illustrate the primer "Introducing Kafka".
(If I was a guy I'd prolly be someone like him, misogyny and all [but with a
worse temper]:) ...)
> He, and Shelton too, I think it was, both moved to France.
I wonder what they think of the U.S. now, especially with the latest revelation
on the Iraq war...
Mr. F. Le Mur
->Mr. F Le Mur wrote:
->
->> On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 02:26:56 -0400, "Chris Raum" <cr...@sympatico.ca>
->> wrote:
->
->> -> ->"Mr. F. Le Mur" <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message ->news
->> ->> On Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:46:43 GMT, "John Jones"
->> -><enuf...@nothanks.invalid> ->> wrote: ->> ->> -> ->> ->"Mr. F.
->> Le Mur" <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message ->> ->news ->> ->> ->
->> ->> -> ->> ->So who did the "Fritz The Cat" stuff? ->> -> ->> ->>
->> Crumb. He hated the movie (so did I), and Fritz was among ->> the
->> worst of his characters anyway. -> ->I understand he loathed the way
->> the "Keep On Truckin'" thing took off as ->well. Heck, Crumb is just
->> an unhappy guy, but what an artist. Remember his
->
->> Because of money, IIRC. He's see it on advertisements and such.
->
->He was a purist; very much against prostituting his art. Bakshi actually
->obtained the rights to use "Fritz the Cat" from Crumb's (then) wife while
Crumb
->was off somewhere else getting stoned.
I meant the "Keep on Truckin'" image:
http://www.psu.edu/dept/inart10_110/inart10/cmbk7crumb.html
Unfortunately the seventies were also some of the most difficult times
for Crumb. In Zap #1 which was published in 1968, Crumb created a six
panel cartoon which ended with a big-footed character with his foot out
saying "Keep On Truckin'". This had become a popular image of the hippie
counter-culture and Crumb collected royalties for years, but a suit
emerged challenging Crumb's copyright which hads never been registered
and in 1977 a federal judge ruled that Crumb had let the image fall into
the public domain, freeing pirates from any further royalty payments to
Crumb.
Then he was smacked with an I.R.S. tax bill for $30,000. (some have
said his accountant and his wife....), he divorced his wife Dana, and
was forced to move to Paris, France until he could pay his tax bill.
OhSojourner
On 08 Jun 2003 17:14:05 GMT, ohsoj...@aol.com (OhSojourner) wrote:
->Mr. F Le Mur wrote: -> ->> On Sun, 8 Jun 2003 02:26:56 -0400,
"Chris Raum" <cr...@sympatico.ca> ->> wrote: -> ->> -> ->"Mr. F. Le
Mur" <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message ->news ->> ->> On Sun, 08
Jun 2003 00:46:43 GMT, "John Jones" ->>
-><enuf...@nothanks.invalid> ->> wrote: ->> ->> -> ->> ->"Mr. F.
->> Le Mur" <lemu...@attxbi.com> wrote in message ->> ->news ->> ->>
-> ->> ->> -> ->> ->So who did the "Fritz The Cat" stuff? ->> -> ->>
->> ->> Crumb. He hated the movie (so did I), and Fritz was among ->>
the ->> worst of his characters anyway. -> ->I understand he loathed
the way ->> the "Keep On Truckin'" thing took off as ->well. Heck,
Crumb is just ->> an unhappy guy, but what an artist. Remember his ->
->> Because of money, IIRC. He's see it on advertisements and such.
-> ->He was a purist; very much against prostituting his art. Bakshi
actually ->obtained the rights to use "Fritz the Cat" from Crumb's
(then) wife while Crumb ->was off somewhere else getting stoned.
I meant the "Keep on Truckin'" image:
I know; I was following up to your previous remark about Fritz the Cat.
http://www.psu.edu/dept/inart10_110/inart10/cmbk7crumb.html
Unfortunately the seventies were also some of the most difficult
times for Crumb. In Zap #1 which was published in 1968, Crumb created
a six panel cartoon which ended with a big-footed character with his
foot out saying "Keep On Truckin'". This had become a popular image
of the hippie counter-culture and Crumb collected royalties for
years, but a suit emerged challenging Crumb's copyright which hads
never been registered and in 1977 a federal judge ruled that Crumb
had let the image fall into the public domain, freeing pirates from
any further royalty payments to Crumb. Then he was smacked with an
I.R.S. tax bill for $30,000. (some have said his accountant and his
wife....), he divorced his wife Dana, and was forced to move to
Paris, France until he could pay his tax bill.
Bastards, thieves and robbers. Is it any wonder why he's a misanthrope (and
hates the U.S.)? There 's just no justice at all in the above case.
Hope Munro Smith
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