End the Current UnConstitutional and Illegal Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
Marcus Aurelius
"causus belli" (latin for just legal cause for war).
No formal legal declaration of war has ever been made by the U.S.
Congress against either nation. This is indicative of the lack of a
reasonable legal basis for initiating and continuing these wars and a
disrespect for the rule of Constitutional law within the USA and of
International Law.
These same wars, in my opinion, are similar to the U.S.-Mexican War
( 1846-1848), although in that war a formal declaration of war against
Mexico WAS MADE by the U.S. Congress.
The Washington establishment does not have the commitment to the
concepts of honor and the rule of law to do the same in these wars.
These wars, as was the case prior to the American Civil War, underlie
fundamental political conflicts within the USA which subsequently may
result in the disruption in the body politic of the USA.
Inclusive of the same, as was the case in the American Civil War, is a
body politic and political establishment which is aggressive and which
is unresponsive to calls for justice internationally and internally.
In the parlance of Vietnam Veterans: "What goes around, comes around."
End the current illegal, aggressive, and criminal wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan but support the returning veterans!
The following quote from Civil War Union General and U.S. President
U.S. Grant is appropriate:
" As the United States is the freest of all nations, so, too, its
people sympathize with all people struggling for liberty and self-
government; but while so sympathizing it is due to our honor that we
should abstain from enforcing our views upon unwilling nations and
from taking an interested part, without invitation, in the quarrels
between different nations or between governments and their subjects.
Our course should always be in conformity with strict justice and law,
international and local.
o Ulysses S. Grant's First State of the Union Address (6 December
1869)"
End of Quote
lorad
Everybody is avoiding these requisite constitutional requirements.
I fully expected that a change control in the legislature and the
presidency would bring a return to our US constitutional rule of
Law...
Something that the dictatorial Bush administration trampled on
routinely.
But, ominously, that hasn't happened.
Obama is continuing along the same course... using the previous
illegal Bush violations as precedent.
Society
"Marcus Aurelius" <alexan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have no reasonable
> legal basis nor "causus belli" (latin for just legal cause
> for war).
That's an unsupported assertion.
And just plain false, too. In the case of Afghanistan, I remind you
of its government's aid and comfort to Osama bin Ladin and the
rest of al-Qaida after their 9/11 attack on U.S. territory. As for Iraq,
its violations of the cease-fire since the 1991 war are a sufficient
_causus belli_ (to repeat your lawyer-Latin phrase).
> No formal legal declaration of war has ever been made by the U.S.
> Congress against either nation. [...]
False again. In both cases, the U.S. Congress passed resolutions
authorizing the use of force against those nations. Those are the
declarations of war you're looking for.
I wonder if you also have the misunderstanding that a written contract
requires the word "Contract" on it in order for it to be a legal
and binding contract.
--
There seems to be something like a Gresham's law
of cultural evolution according to which the
oversimplified ideas will always displace the
sophisticated and the vulgar and hateful will
always displace the beautiful. And yet the
beautiful persists.
Gregory Bateson, _Mind and Nature_
New York: E. P. Dutton; 1979.
page 6 (Bantam New Age edition, 1980)
Masculist
> "Marcus Aurelius" <alexander...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:59527b12-2ab9-42e0...@26g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > The Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have no reasonable
> > legal basis nor "causus belli" (latin for just legal cause
> > for war).
>
> That's an unsupported assertion.
>
> And just plain false, too. In the case of Afghanistan, I remind you
> of its government's aid and comfort to Osama bin Ladin and the
> rest of al-Qaida after their 9/11 attack on U.S. territory.
There were other ways to address those issues like bombing, diplomacy,
and sanctions. The truth is we wanted a major provocation in order to
justify an aggressive stance. Our intelligence agencies were
intentionally looking the other way just for that reason. There may
be some good reasons to have done that however. As time went on the
threat may have become more potent with nuclear or biological
terrorism.
> As for Iraq,
> its violations of the cease-fire since the 1991 war are a sufficient
> _causus belli_ (to repeat your lawyer-Latin phrase).
True but weak "causus belli". The mistake was during the first Bush
admin by not going in then.
All that said, let us not forget that for whatever reason Americans
had had it and Bush really had to do what he did. And let's not
forget that Hitlary, the true power on the Left, supported all of his
efforts and even advocated Homeland Security when Bush was poo pooing
it. Hitlary and the feminsts not only supported both wars but pushed
Bush into Homeland Security, one of the most eggregious outcomes of
the whole mess.
Bush had to do it for domestic political reasons as well. It was just
too tempting not to do. It bought him two terms thereby helping his
party. If casualties were low and it produced some stability in Iraq
then that could be considered a win. I said as much at the beginning
of the mess though I supported none of it...Afghanistan either.
Obviously I could never be president.
> > No formal legal declaration of war has ever been made by the U.S.
> > Congress against either nation. [...]
>
> False again. In both cases, the U.S. Congress passed resolutions
> authorizing the use of force against those nations. Those are the
> declarations of war you're looking for.
Yeah, and the pussy boys on the Left were pushed aside anyway by Big
Mama like they have been since 1972. Jeeze, when are those assholes
going to wake up and realize they are hen pecked and have no power?
> I wonder if you also have the misunderstanding that a written contract
> requires the word "Contract" on it in order for it to be a legal
> and binding contract.
>
> --
> There seems to be something like a Gresham's law
> of cultural evolution according to which the
> oversimplified ideas will always displace the
> sophisticated and the vulgar and hateful will
> always displace the beautiful. And yet the
> beautiful persists.
>
> Gregory Bateson, _Mind and Nature_
> New York: E. P. Dutton; 1979.
> page 6 (Bantam New Age edition, 1980)
Wonderful quote.
Tom