A growing trend - Women in the Mens movement
Sir Jessy of Clone
http://www.glennjsacks.com/why_are_there.htm
Why Are There so Many Women in the Fathers' Movement?
By Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson
Three and a half decades after the rise of the feminist movement,
American gender politics have begun to come full circle.
The feminist movement has always been aided by sympathetic men, and
American women would never have come so far so fast without their support.
While women still face many problems, those problems have received a fair
and often extensive public hearing.
Today, men's issues--principally fathers' issues--are where many of
our nation's biggest gender inequities lie. And just as many men helped the
women's movement, many women are stepping forward to help fathers, forming
groups like Moms for Dads and the Second Wives Crusade. Today women make up
half of the membership of the fathers' movement.
Fathers' grievances include: blocked visitation and unenforced
visitation orders; "move away moms" who permit or even use geography to
drive fathers out of their children's lives; acceptance by the courts of
false and/or uncorroborated accusations of domestic violence or child abuse
as a basis for denying custody or even contact between father and child;
rigid, excessive, and often punitive child support awards; a "win/lose"
system which pits ex-spouses against one another by designating a custodial
and a noncustodial parent; and judicial preference for mothers over fathers
as custodial parents.
According to Virginia Forton, the Executive Director of Moms for Dads,
"Our current system torments non-custodial parents and their children by
allowing custodial parents to drive them out of their children's lives.
Children need both parents. At meetings I've seen so many fathers, with
tears running down their faces, talking about the children they're no longer
allowed to see. How could we, as women and as mothers, not try to help
them?"
Just as male feminists have been criticized by traditionalists as
dupes and opportunists, many women in the fathers' movement have been
condemned by the feminist establishment. Kim Gandy, president of the
National Organization for Women, says that women in the fathers' movement
are used by men the way "a man charged with rape will hire a woman lawyer to
represent him."
In The Price of Motherhood, feminist writer Ann Crittenden portrays
these women as petty and shortsighted pawns of men. Susan Faludi, author of
Backlash, likens them to Uncle Toms.
In reality, many pro-father women, such as Canadian Senator Anne
Cools, North America's premier pro-father public official, came from the
feminist movement. Cools was one of the most effective leaders of the
battered women's shelter movement during the 1970s.
Others, like Forton and Melanie Mays, a member of the advocacy group
Child's Best Interest, had little interest in fathers' rights or gender
politics until they came into contact with our family court system's
anti-father bias and its devastating effects on the people they love. In
Mays' case, witnessing a close relative and his children being tormented by
the court system spurred her to action. Other activists are grandmothers who
were cut out of their grandchildren's lives when their sons were cut out of
their children's lives.
At the core of the movement are second wives. Since over half of all
first marriages end in divorce, and 75% of divorcees remarry, there are many
second wives and second husbands who struggle with the effects of their
spouse's divorces.
Many second wives who marry divorced fathers have little inkling of
the maelstrom they are entering--custody disputes, access and visitation
denial, sudden child support increases, and the burden of legal fees spent
on fighting inequities. Some second marriages end in divorce because of
these pressures. Increasingly, however, these women and others are turning
to activism. According to Mays:
"The fathers' rights movement is the civil rights movement of our era.
Some belittle the plight of fathers, saying 'oh, they're men, they're
privileged, what have they suffered compared to other groups?' The answer is
this--whatever horrors blacks or women or other groups have endured in the
past 50 years, nobody ever took their children away. What discrimination and
what injustice is worse than that?"
--
We are all waiting for the day when we can watch with great glee to see
rotten eggs dripping from your no-longer-smirking faces. You will be so
sorry you have been promoting the cause of a ring of sociopath, deadbeat,
and violent abusers who are so bad that most of your conservative friends
have disavowed them for their well documented association with pedophilia.
-Liz Richards; award winning personality shines forth.
Barry Pearson
news:VzRZ8.72983$op.80...@read2.cgocable.net...
> http://www.glennjsacks.com/why_are_there.htm
[snip]
> At the core of the movement are second wives. Since over half of all
> first marriages end in divorce, and 75% of divorcees remarry, there are
> many second wives and second husbands who struggle with the effects
> of their spouse's divorces.
>
> Many second wives who marry divorced fathers have little inkling of
> the maelstrom they are entering--custody disputes, access and visitation
> denial, sudden child support increases, and the burden of legal fees spent
> on fighting inequities. Some second marriages end in divorce because of
> these pressures. Increasingly, however, these women and others are turning
> to activism.
I can confirm that some of the most active & hostile people where child support
is concerned are "new partners of non-resident parents", normally women, for
exactly those reasons. Some of my key contacts in lobby groups are such women,
and some of those lobby groups rely on their time & effort. (They often do NOT
like being called "second wives"!)
Child Support Agenda for the 21st Century
http://www.childsupportanalysis.co.uk/what_next.htm
--
Barry Pearson
http://www.barrypearson.co.uk/photography/
http://www.childsupportanalysis.co.uk/
GodEvolved
The problem with this article, as I see it, is that it paints a rather
bleak picture of women. I am not sure I disagree with it. It tries to
liken women in the men's movement of today with men of women's movement of
yesteryear. But the two cases are not analogous, not in the sense that the
authors seems to think. Men were in the women's movement because they
believed in it; they were not really affected by it, not then. But women
are in the men's movement, to a large degree, because men's problems are
now beginning to affect women. Certainly there are exceptions to this, and
Anne Cools is largely unique. "Second Wives". The authors are also
confusing the men who helped in the women's movement with women who help
*fathers*. I would hazard a guess that they consider childless men
irrelevant.
"Sir Jessy of Clone" <evilinco...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:VzRZ8.72983$op.80...@read2.cgocable.net:
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"...What you have to understand, young lady, is that the Greeks, not
content with dominating the culture of the Classical world, are also
responsible for the greatest, some would say the only, work of true
creative imagination produced this century as well. I refer of course to
the Greek ferry timetables. A work of the sublimest fiction. Anyone who
has travelled the Aegean will confirm this..." Professor Watkin - Dirk
Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
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Gigantic A-Hole
Sir Jessy of Clone
"Gigantic A-Hole" <G...@pecbell.com> wrote in message
news:5d0bf2be.02071...@posting.google.com...
> Tell them to go away.
Whatever for?
Parg2000
{Parg} Signing the name of your second or third wife on a membership roster,
does not "women in the men's movement" make.
Gigantic A-Hole
Well, their presence seems to make about as much sense as would John
Gotti's presence in an Organized Crime Special Prosecutor Task Force.
Jen Larson
Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> Tell them to go away.
Why don't you tell them GA, oh yea you don't have a spine.
Gigantic A-Hole
> Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>
> > Tell them to go away.
>
> Why don't you tell them GA
I just did.
And a few months ago, I told Wendy McElroy to go away and she did,
didn't she? <Loud guffaws>
> oh yea you don't have a spine.
And you don't have a man's intellect or a man's physique. Or a man's
equipment. All that you have is envy of all of those things.
You do have a woman's mouth though. <Chuckle>
Mark Sobolewski
parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote:
Neither does an organization such as NOW with a shrinking roster
that needs smoking cessation funds to survive comprise a successful
growing movement. :-)
regards,
Mark Sobolewski
Parg2000
>From: Mark Sobolewski mark_so...@yahoo.com
>Date: 7/19/2002 6:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <mark_sobolewski-53...@nnrp03.earthlink.net>
member locally while funding globally. <G>
>regards,
>Mark Sobolewski
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jen Larson
Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D386C2F...@udel.edu>...
> > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > Tell them to go away.
> > Why don't you tell them GA
> I just did.
No, you didn't.
> And a few months ago, I told Wendy McElroy to go away and she did,
> didn't she? <Loud guffaws>
Where did she go GA? Seems like she's still around doing what she always
does.
> > oh yea you don't have a spine.
> And you don't have a man's intellect
No such thing.
or a man's physique.
True, and this is a problem for a woman because? Oh it's not,
furthermore you can still tell I have a physique, unlike you of course
who has gone to pot and has to go workout all the time to try to reclaim
yours (have you ever been in shape enough to play 9 innings?).
Or a man's
> equipment.
True, and this is a problem for a woman because? Oh, it's not, it's only
a problem for you because you are a man with the equipment and the
desire but no follow through! Part of that spinal thing no doubt.
All that you have is envy of all of those things.
It would be great for you if that were true, but as you know I am
completely satisfied with myself and am healthy in body spirit and sex
life, unlike some idiots who are spineless sexist shit piles.
>
> You do have a woman's mouth though. <Chuckle>
I have a woman's everything since I am a woman <YAY>.
Gigantic A-Hole
> Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>
> > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D386C2F...@udel.edu>...
>
> > > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>
> > > > Tell them to go away.
>
> > > Why don't you tell them GA
>
> > I just did.
>
> No, you didn't.
Yes I did.
> > And a few months ago, I told Wendy McElroy to go away and she did,
> > didn't she? <Loud guffaws>
>
> Where did she go GA? Seems like she's still around doing what she always
> does.
Not on this ng.
> http://www.zetetics.com/mac/
>
> > > oh yea you don't have a spine.
>
> > And you don't have a man's intellect
>
> No such thing.
That's right; disparage what you can't have. Those grapes are sour
anyway.
> or a man's physique.
>
> True, and this is a problem for a woman because?
Well, it's the reason why men are always knocking you up instead of
the other way around.
> Oh it's not,
> furthermore you can still tell I have a physique, unlike you of course
> who has gone to pot and has to go workout all the time to try to reclaim
> yours
That's a little like saying the most studious kid isn't the brightest
because he spends too much time studying.
> (have you ever been in shape enough to play 9 innings?).
At 9 innings, most casual players in a pickup game are just getting
warmed up.
> Or a man's
> > equipment.
>
> True, and this is a problem for a woman because?
Well, without a penis, your experience of sex isn't enjoyable. But
three bastard kids provide you with all of its headaches.
> Oh, it's not, it's only
> a problem for you because you are a man with the equipment and the
> desire but no follow through!
And you are a woman with a desire to kill men and no follow through.
Just talk.
> Part of that spinal thing no doubt.
> All that you have is envy of all of those things.
Dr. Freud says that you are the envious one, and it stands to reason
that you would be.
> It would be great for you if that were true, but as you know I am
> completely satisfied with myself and am healthy in body spirit and sex
> life, unlike some idiots who are spineless sexist shit piles.
Three bastard kids. Three different fathers. Stuffed you. Might
have raped you. Might have beaten you. Then they left you. You had
it all coming, but it's a shame about those kids who didn't ask to be
born.
> > You do have a woman's mouth though. <Chuckle>
>
> I have a woman's everything since I am a woman <YAY>.
You should try to live a more virtuous life. Then when you die, you
can go to heaven and become a man.
Jen Larson
Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D394B9A...@udel.edu>...
> > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > > Why don't you tell them GA
> > > I just did.
> > No, you didn't.
> Yes I did.
No you didn't.
> > > And a few months ago, I told Wendy McElroy to go away and she did,
> > > didn't she? <Loud guffaws>
> > Where did she go GA? Seems like she's still around doing what she always
> > does.
> Not on this ng.
So, she's still doing what she always does.
> > http://www.zetetics.com/mac/
> > > > oh yea you don't have a spine.
> > > And you don't have a man's intellect
> > No such thing.
> That's right; disparage what you can't have. Those grapes are sour
> anyway.
No such thing is not disparging, just fact.
> > or a man's physique.
> > True, and this is a problem for a woman because?
> Well, it's the reason why men are always knocking you up instead of
> the other way around.
You think that this is a problem? It's easily rectifiable using my own
body. After I had all the children I wanted and could support I simply
altered my reproduction permanently.
> > Oh it's not,
> > furthermore you can still tell I have a physique, unlike you of course
> > who has gone to pot and has to go workout all the time to try to reclaim
> > yours
> That's a little like saying the most studious kid isn't the brightest
> because he spends too much time studying.
No it's not, it's like saying you sat on your ass too long and now you
look like a marshmallow with a jelly spine. It's far better to just not
sit on your ass until you turn into a blob. Really.
> > (have you ever been in shape enough to play 9 innings?).
> At 9 innings, most casual players in a pickup game are just getting
> warmed up.
True, however, have you ever even played a regulation game all the way
through?
> > Or a man's
> > > equipment.
> > True, and this is a problem for a woman because?
> Well, without a penis, your experience of sex isn't enjoyable.
Well, that is incorrect, it is very enjoyable indeed.
But
> three bastard kids provide you with all of its headaches.
I don't get headaches, never did, doubt I will. But my three bastard
kids are the best thing that ever happened to me. All healthy, smart,
and beautiful. All good. No bad.
> > Oh, it's not, it's only
> > a problem for you because you are a man with the equipment and the
> > desire but no follow through!
> And you are a woman with a desire to kill men and no follow through.
> Just talk.
I don't desire to kill anyone, that would be you.
> > Part of that spinal thing no doubt.
> > All that you have is envy of all of those things.
> Dr. Freud says that you are the envious one, and it stands to reason
> that you would be.
No, since sexism has been removed I have no reason to be jealous of ones
without the sexist road blocks. I have made my way with relative lack of
problem and done well.
> > It would be great for you if that were true, but as you know I am
> > completely satisfied with myself and am healthy in body spirit and sex
> > life, unlike some idiots who are spineless sexist shit piles.
> Three bastard kids.
Yup. Love those little bastards!
Three different fathers.
Yup! Love those fathers!
Stuffed you.
Mmmmm right before I crushed them yum.
Might
> have raped you.
No, I'd never reproduce from a rape.
Might have beaten you.
Actually the baby's father did try to, he got a few good hits in before
I nailed him, how pathetic.
Then they left you.
No, I left them, they all wish I never did, but I'm not monagamous for
life type person.
You had
> it all coming,
Certainly a specimen such as myself was indeed destined to reproduce,
likewise the opposite is true with a specimen such as you.
but it's a shame about those kids who didn't ask to be
> born.
No, it's not a shame at all, it is as it should be, all strong and going
fine, honors, trophies, etc. You know the most popular girls, etc.
> > > You do have a woman's mouth though. <Chuckle>
> > I have a woman's everything since I am a woman <YAY>.
> You should try to live a more virtuous life.
Virtuous? No, I don't buy into the fallacy of conforming for idiocy.
Then when you die, you
> can go to heaven and become a man.
I'm happy to just die and die.
Gigantic A-Hole
> Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>
> > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D394B9A...@udel.edu>...
> > > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>
> > > > > Why don't you tell them GA
>
> > > > I just did.
>
> > > No, you didn't.
>
> > Yes I did.
>
> No you didn't.
Yes, I did.
> > > > And a few months ago, I told Wendy McElroy to go away and she did,
> > > > didn't she? <Loud guffaws>
>
> > > Where did she go GA? Seems like she's still around doing what she always
> > > does.
>
> > Not on this ng.
>
> So, she's still doing what she always does.
She left this newsgroup in tears. Don't tell me that I didn't make a
difference.
> > > http://www.zetetics.com/mac/
>
> > > > > oh yea you don't have a spine.
>
> > > > And you don't have a man's intellect
>
> > > No such thing.
> > That's right; disparage what you can't have. Those grapes are sour
> > anyway.
>
> No such thing is not disparging, just fact.
If you had a man's intellect, you wouldn't whine like a Spice Girl.
> > > or a man's physique.
>
> > > True, and this is a problem for a woman because?
>
> > Well, it's the reason why men are always knocking you up instead of
> > the other way around.
>
> You think that this is a problem? It's easily rectifiable using my own
> body.
> After I had all the children I wanted and could support I simply
> altered my reproduction permanently.
You can still be raped. You can't rape men or get them pregnant. It
tears the heart out of you to know that you can't do those things to
men.
> > > Oh it's not,
> > > furthermore you can still tell I have a physique, unlike you of course
> > > who has gone to pot and has to go workout all the time to try to reclaim
> > > yours
>
> > That's a little like saying the most studious kid isn't the brightest
> > because he spends too much time studying.
>
> No it's not, it's like saying you sat on your ass too long and now you
> look like a marshmallow with a jelly spine. It's far better to just not
> sit on your ass until you turn into a blob. Really.
I guess that I should go out and kill someone just to prove that I
have enough resolve for you and that I should stop exercising because
you tell me that it's "far better" that way.
It's nice to know that you have my best interests at heart.
> > > (have you ever been in shape enough to play 9 innings?).
>
> > At 9 innings, most casual players in a pickup game are just getting
> > warmed up.
>
> True, however, have you ever even played a regulation game all the way
> through?
Don't make me treat you like your father did when you were bad.
I'll ask you the same question that he did: "What did I just tell
you?"
> > > Or a man's
> > > > equipment.
>
> > > True, and this is a problem for a woman because?
>
> > Well, without a penis, your experience of sex isn't enjoyable.
>
> Well, that is incorrect, it is very enjoyable indeed.
Then why are you stuffed from head to toe with penis envy?
> But
> > three bastard kids provide you with all of its headaches.
>
> I don't get headaches, never did, doubt I will. But my three bastard
> kids are the best thing that ever happened to me. All healthy, smart,
> and beautiful. All good. No bad.
Right.
> > > Oh, it's not, it's only
> > > a problem for you because you are a man with the equipment and the
> > > desire but no follow through!
>
> > And you are a woman with a desire to kill men and no follow through.
> > Just talk.
>
> I don't desire to kill anyone, that would be you.
You desire to kill all men.
> > > Part of that spinal thing no doubt.
> > > All that you have is envy of all of those things.
>
> > Dr. Freud says that you are the envious one, and it stands to reason
> > that you would be.
>
> No, since sexism has been removed I have no reason to be jealous of ones
> without the sexist road blocks.
You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town
spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life
in every pregnancy. You are envious of the fact that sex has more
consequences for you than it does for him and that you don't even get
any enjoyment out of it in return. There, there.
> I have made my way with relative lack of
everything worth having.
> problem and done well.
>
>
> > > It would be great for you if that were true, but as you know I am
> > > completely satisfied with myself and am healthy in body spirit and sex
> > > life,
Yes, yes.
>unlike some idiots who are spineless sexist shit piles.
> > Three bastard kids.
>
> Yup. Love those little bastards!
So much so that you deprived them of a father.
> Three different fathers.
>
> Yup! Love those fathers!
Even though you acknowledge that one of them beat you.
> Stuffed you.
>
> Mmmmm right before I crushed them yum.
Well, then you had some abuse coming to you.
> Might
> > have raped you.
>
> No, I'd never reproduce from a rape.
It's probably how you came into the world.
> Might have beaten you.
>
> Actually the baby's father did try to, he got a few good hits in before
> I nailed him, how pathetic.
God, with all of the practice that you've had, even you couldn't lie
straight in bed. You just said "love those fathers".
> Then they left you.
>
> No, I left them, they all wish I never did, but I'm not monagamous for
> life type person.
Yes, you left them, right.
> You had
> > it all coming,
>
> Certainly a specimen such as myself was indeed destined to reproduce,
> likewise the opposite is true with a specimen such as you.
Destined?
> but it's a shame about those kids who didn't ask to be
> > born.
>
> No, it's not a shame at all, it is as it should be, all strong and going
> fine, honors, trophies, etc. You know the most popular girls, etc.
You couldn't lie straight in bed.
> > > > You do have a woman's mouth though. <Chuckle>
>
> > > I have a woman's everything since I am a woman <YAY>.
>
> > You should try to live a more virtuous life.
>
> Virtuous? No, I don't buy into the fallacy of conforming for idiocy.
>
> Then when you die, you
> > can go to heaven and become a man.
>
> I'm happy to just die and die.
No comment.
Ted Drake
Why not? They law aren't going to stop her.
> or get them pregnant. It
> tears the heart out of you to know that you can't do those things to
> men.
>
>
> > > > Oh it's not,
> > > > furthermore you can still tell I have a physique, unlike you of course
> > > > who has gone to pot and has to go workout all the time to try to reclaim
> > > > yours
> >
> > > That's a little like saying the most studious kid isn't the brightest
> > > because he spends too much time studying.
> >
> > No it's not, it's like saying you sat on your ass too long and now you
> > look like a marshmallow with a jelly spine. It's far better to just not
> > sit on your ass until you turn into a blob. Really.
>
>
> I guess that I should go out and kill someone just to prove that I
> have enough resolve for you
I'm not saying yes, I'm not saying no.
> and that I should stop exercising because
> you tell me that it's "far better" that way.
Exercise is enjoyable.
> It's nice to know that you have my best interests at heart.
>
>
> > > > (have you ever been in shape enough to play 9 innings?).
> >
> > > At 9 innings, most casual players in a pickup game are just getting
> > > warmed up.
> >
> > True, however, have you ever even played a regulation game all the way
> > through?
>
>
> Don't make me treat you like your father did when you were bad.
>
> I'll ask you the same question that he did: "What did I just tell
> you?"
>
>
> > > > Or a man's
> > > > > equipment.
> >
> > > > True, and this is a problem for a woman because?
> >
> > > Well, without a penis, your experience of sex isn't enjoyable.
> >
> > Well, that is incorrect, it is very enjoyable indeed.
>
>
> Then why are you stuffed from head to toe with penis envy?
Wanting to urinate standing? Some obscure and pointless reason?
As long as you don't leave contact information, you mean.
> and that you don't even get
> any enjoyment out of it in return.
You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
YOu'd be down for the count after one good hit.
> God, with all of the practice that you've had, even you couldn't lie
> straight in bed. You just said "love those fathers".
>
>
>
> > Then they left you.
> >
> > No, I left them, they all wish I never did, but I'm not monagamous for
> > life type person.
>
>
> Yes, you left them, right.
>
>
> > You had
> > > it all coming,
> >
> > Certainly a specimen such as myself was indeed destined to reproduce,
> > likewise the opposite is true with a specimen such as you.
>
>
> Destined?
Most women give themselves more significance than they deserve.
> > but it's a shame about those kids who didn't ask to be
> > > born.
> >
> > No, it's not a shame at all, it is as it should be, all strong and going
> > fine, honors, trophies, etc. You know the most popular girls, etc.
>
>
> You couldn't lie straight in bed.
>
>
> > > > > You do have a woman's mouth though. <Chuckle>
> >
> > > > I have a woman's everything since I am a woman <YAY>.
> >
> > > You should try to live a more virtuous life.
> >
> > Virtuous? No, I don't buy into the fallacy of conforming for idiocy.
> >
> > Then when you die, you
> > > can go to heaven and become a man.
> >
> > I'm happy to just die and die.
>
> No comment.
--
You burden me with your questions
You'd have me tell no lies
You're always asking what it's all about
But don't listen to my replies
You say to me I don't talk enough
But when I do I'm a fool
These times I've spent, I've realized
I'm going to shoot through
And leave you
-- "Unbelievable", EMF
Jen Larson
Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D3ABDB8...@udel.edu>...
> > > > > > Why don't you tell them GA
> > > > > I just did.
> > No you didn't.
> Yes, I did.
No, you didn't.
> > So, she's still doing what she always does.
> She left this newsgroup in tears. Don't tell me that I didn't make a
> difference.
So? She's still doing what she always did!
> > > That's right; disparage what you can't have. Those grapes are sour
> > > anyway.
> > No such thing is not disparging, just fact.
> If you had a man's intellect, you wouldn't whine like a Spice Girl.
Prove men don't whine, prove I do.
> > > Well, it's the reason why men are always knocking you up instead of
> > > the other way around.
> > You think that this is a problem? It's easily rectifiable using my own
> > body.
> > After I had all the children I wanted and could support I simply
> > altered my reproduction permanently.
> You can still be raped.
So can you.
You can't rape men or get them pregnant.
I can rape them and make them reproduce (not that I would).
It
> tears the heart out of you to know that you can't do those things to
> men.
No, it in no way bothers me that I won't rape men or get men pregnant.
> > > > Oh it's not,
> > > > furthermore you can still tell I have a physique, unlike you of course
> > > > who has gone to pot and has to go workout all the time to try to reclaim
> > > > yours
> > > That's a little like saying the most studious kid isn't the brightest
> > > because he spends too much time studying.
> > No it's not, it's like saying you sat on your ass too long and now you
> > look like a marshmallow with a jelly spine. It's far better to just not
> > sit on your ass until you turn into a blob. Really.
> I guess that I should go out and kill someone just to prove that I
> have enough resolve for you
Better than just spewing idiocy. At least then you will have shown some
spinal fortitude.
and that I should stop exercising because
> you tell me that it's "far better" that way.
No, keep it up, it's just a shame that this is what you have reduced
yourself to.
> It's nice to know that you have my best interests at heart.
Likewise, as is my motto.
> > > > (have you ever been in shape enough to play 9 innings?).
> > > At 9 innings, most casual players in a pickup game are just getting
> > > warmed up.
> > True, however, have you ever even played a regulation game all the way
> > through?
> Don't make me treat you like your father did when you were bad.
I can't make you do any such thing.
> I'll ask you the same question that he did: "What did I just tell
> you?"
He never needed to ask that as his comprehension level was sufficient to
discern actual words.
> > > > Or a man's
> > > > > equipment.
> > > > True, and this is a problem for a woman because?
> > > Well, without a penis, your experience of sex isn't enjoyable.
> > Well, that is incorrect, it is very enjoyable indeed.
> Then why are you stuffed from head to toe with penis envy?
I'm not. I just know I don't need a penis to have: physical strength,
intellectual ability, sexual pleasure, athletecism, ability to defend
and protect my home, ability to earn enough to support my family,
ability to understand politics and vote accordingly, etc, etc. Which
deflates your penis "entitlement" attitude and hence harms your fragile
ego.
> > But
> > > three bastard kids provide you with all of its headaches.
> > I don't get headaches, never did, doubt I will. But my three bastard
> > kids are the best thing that ever happened to me. All healthy, smart,
> > and beautiful. All good. No bad.
> Right.
Correct.
> > > And you are a woman with a desire to kill men and no follow through.
> > > Just talk.
> > I don't desire to kill anyone, that would be you.
> You desire to kill all men.
You slander.
> > > > Part of that spinal thing no doubt.
> > > > All that you have is envy of all of those things.
> > > Dr. Freud says that you are the envious one, and it stands to reason
> > > that you would be.
> > No, since sexism has been removed I have no reason to be jealous of ones
> > without the sexist road blocks.
> You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
> intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
Nope.
> You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town
> spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life
> in every pregnancy.
I like being the one with final decision making ability. It is a natural
female advantage.
You are envious of the fact that sex has more
> consequences for you than it does for him
Unless he doesn't control himself and then decides he wants "paper
abortion".
and that you don't even get
> any enjoyment out of it in return. There, there.
This is just personal experience of your lovers being projected onto me,
it changes reality by zero.
> > I have made my way with relative lack of
> everything worth having.
I have all I want and then some.
> > problem and done well.
> > > > It would be great for you if that were true, but as you know I am
> > > > completely satisfied with myself and am healthy in body spirit and sex
> > > > life,
> Yes, yes.
Correct.
> >unlike some idiots who are spineless sexist shit piles.
> > > Three bastard kids.
> > Yup. Love those little bastards!
> So much so that you deprived them of a father.
Wrong!
> > Three different fathers.
> > Yup! Love those fathers!
> Even though you acknowledge that one of them beat you.
Yes, I still love him. I beat him back when he beat me, the likewise
thing. You can't stop love though, and he did get help and he's doing
fine for now anyway.
> > Stuffed you.
> > Mmmmm right before I crushed them yum.
> Well, then you had some abuse coming to you.
They loved it. The sheer muscle power of the vagina is AWESOME men
always make sure to tell me they love it and they show w/action as well,
to me it's "just the way it is and is supposed to be".
> > Might
> > > have raped you.
> > No, I'd never reproduce from a rape.
> It's probably how you came into the world.
Nope.
> > Might have beaten you.
> > Actually the baby's father did try to, he got a few good hits in before
> > I nailed him, how pathetic.
> God, with all of the practice that you've had, even you couldn't lie
> straight in bed. You just said "love those fathers".
I love him. I just can't be monogamous to him.
> > Then they left you.
> > No, I left them, they all wish I never did, but I'm not monagamous for
> > life type person.
> Yes, you left them, right.
Correct. Every single one.
> > You had
> > > it all coming,
> > Certainly a specimen such as myself was indeed destined to reproduce,
> > likewise the opposite is true with a specimen such as you.
> Destined?
Yes, destined.
> > but it's a shame about those kids who didn't ask to be
> > > born.
> > No, it's not a shame at all, it is as it should be, all strong and going
> > fine, honors, trophies, etc. You know the most popular girls, etc.
> You couldn't lie straight in bed.
Reality remains. My kids thrive and are not one single problem or
trouble. Totally under control and progressing at expected (high)
levels.
> > > > > You do have a woman's mouth though. <Chuckle>
> > > > I have a woman's everything since I am a woman <YAY>.
> > > You should try to live a more virtuous life.
> > Virtuous? No, I don't buy into the fallacy of conforming for idiocy.
> > Then when you die, you
> > > can go to heaven and become a man.
> > I'm happy to just die and die.
> No comment.
None needed.
Jen Larson
Ted Drake wrote:
> > > Actually the baby's father did try to, he got a few good hits in before
> > > I nailed him, how pathetic.
> YOu'd be down for the count after one good hit.
I admit it freely, however his hits were NOT good enough to take me out
so he was faced with return with like. If you do not want me to hit you
back after you hit me you need to kill me or be unknown and far away
when I come to.
Angilion
[About the three fathers of her three children]
>No, I left them, they all wish I never did, but I'm not monagamous for
>life type person.
Did they know that before you had the children, or
were they just breeding animals for you?
There is no way I would voluntarily risk becoming a father.
That would mean giving someone else the right to take
my children from me whenever they wanted to, which is
far too great an imbalance of power and far too great
a risk.
[..]
--
Always remember you're unique.
Just like everyone else. (Anon)
Gigantic A-Hole
> In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D3ABDB8...@udel.edu>...
> > > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
<snip>
> > >
> > > You think that this is a problem? It's easily rectifiable using my own
> > > body.
> > > After I had all the children I wanted and could support I simply
> > > altered my reproduction permanently.
> >
> >
> > You can still be raped. You can't rape men
>
> Why not? They law aren't going to stop her.
No, but I doubt that she is strong enough to rape a man.
> > or get them pregnant. It
> > tears the heart out of you to know that you can't do those things to
> > men.
> >
> >
> > > > > Oh it's not,
> > > > > furthermore you can still tell I have a physique, unlike you of course
> > > > > who has gone to pot and has to go workout all the time to try to reclaim
> > > > > yours
>
> > > > That's a little like saying the most studious kid isn't the brightest
> > > > because he spends too much time studying.
> > >
> > > No it's not, it's like saying you sat on your ass too long and now you
> > > look like a marshmallow with a jelly spine. It's far better to just not
> > > sit on your ass until you turn into a blob. Really.
> >
> >
> > I guess that I should go out and kill someone just to prove that I
> > have enough resolve for you
>
> I'm not saying yes, I'm not saying no.
It's different. You might actually be rooting for me. She would be
rooting for me to get caught. That is the idea behind urging me to do
it in the first place.
> > and that I should stop exercising because
> > you tell me that it's "far better" that way.
>
> Exercise is enjoyable.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but what sort of exercise do you
do?
> > > > Well, without a penis, your experience of sex isn't enjoyable.
> > >
> > > Well, that is incorrect, it is very enjoyable indeed.
> >
> >
> > Then why are you stuffed from head to toe with penis envy?
>
> Wanting to urinate standing? Some obscure and pointless reason?
A penis provides more benefits than just that.
<snip>
>
> > > > Dr. Freud says that you are the envious one, and it stands to reason
> > > > that you would be.
> > >
> > > No, since sexism has been removed I have no reason to be jealous of ones
> > > without the sexist road blocks.
> >
> >
> > You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
> > intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
> >
> > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town
> > spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life
> > in every pregnancy. You are envious of the fact that sex has more
> > consequences for you than it does for him
>
> As long as you don't leave contact information, you mean.
I guess that should be inserted as a qualifier.
And I have a feeling that none of these guys did.
> > and that you don't even get
> > any enjoyment out of it in return.
>
> You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
What?
Of course. I see that we are starting to recognize that we really
can't believe everything that the Spice Girl says.
> > God, with all of the practice that you've had, even you couldn't lie
> > straight in bed. You just said "love those fathers".
> >
> >
> >
> > > Then they left you.
> > >
> > > No, I left them, they all wish I never did, but I'm not monagamous for
> > > life type person.
> >
> >
> > Yes, you left them, right.
> >
> >
> > > You had
> > > > it all coming,
> > >
> > > Certainly a specimen such as myself was indeed destined to reproduce,
> > > likewise the opposite is true with a specimen such as you.
> >
> >
> > Destined?
>
> Most women give themselves more significance than they deserve.
Yes, even if God is omnisicient, it's a little hard to believe that
Jennifer Larson could be a part of any divine plan.
Among other things, if she ever met Him face to face, she would call
Him a rancid woman-hating sexist patriarchal piece of shit and
harangue Him for cursing her with a woman's body.
Ted Drake
> ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnajlk7d....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D3ABDB8...@udel.edu>...
> > > > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > > >
> > > > You think that this is a problem? It's easily rectifiable using my own
> > > > body.
> > > > After I had all the children I wanted and could support I simply
> > > > altered my reproduction permanently.
> > >
> > >
> > > You can still be raped. You can't rape men
> >
> > Why not? They law aren't going to stop her.
>
> No, but I doubt that she is strong enough to rape a man.
Depends if she has the element of surprise.
> > > or get them pregnant. It
> > > tears the heart out of you to know that you can't do those things to
> > > men.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > > Oh it's not,
> > > > > > furthermore you can still tell I have a physique, unlike you of course
> > > > > > who has gone to pot and has to go workout all the time to try to reclaim
> > > > > > yours
> >
> > > > > That's a little like saying the most studious kid isn't the brightest
> > > > > because he spends too much time studying.
> > > >
> > > > No it's not, it's like saying you sat on your ass too long and now you
> > > > look like a marshmallow with a jelly spine. It's far better to just not
> > > > sit on your ass until you turn into a blob. Really.
> > >
> > >
> > > I guess that I should go out and kill someone just to prove that I
> > > have enough resolve for you
> >
> > I'm not saying yes, I'm not saying no.
>
> It's different. You might actually be rooting for me.
I always root for the criminal.
> She would be
> rooting for me to get caught. That is the idea behind urging me to do
> it in the first place.
>
> > > and that I should stop exercising because
> > > you tell me that it's "far better" that way.
> >
> > Exercise is enjoyable.
>
> I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but what sort of exercise do you
> do?
Running and exercises to increase the muscle mass in my upper body.
> > > > > Well, without a penis, your experience of sex isn't enjoyable.
> > > >
> > > > Well, that is incorrect, it is very enjoyable indeed.
> > >
> > >
> > > Then why are you stuffed from head to toe with penis envy?
> >
> > Wanting to urinate standing? Some obscure and pointless reason?
>
> A penis provides more benefits than just that.
Masturbation, urination and what else?
> <snip>
>
> > > > > Dr. Freud says that you are the envious one, and it stands to reason
> > > > > that you would be.
> > > >
> > > > No, since sexism has been removed I have no reason to be jealous of ones
> > > > without the sexist road blocks.
> > >
> > >
> > > You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
> > > intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
> > >
> > > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town
> > > spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life
> > > in every pregnancy. You are envious of the fact that sex has more
> > > consequences for you than it does for him
> >
> > As long as you don't leave contact information, you mean.
>
> I guess that should be inserted as a qualifier.
>
> And I have a feeling that none of these guys did.
Perhaps not. The CSA can track people down, though.
> > > and that you don't even get
> > > any enjoyment out of it in return.
> >
> > You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
>
> What?
The women have no sex drive and don't enjoy sex, that's what.
Yes.
> > > God, with all of the practice that you've had, even you couldn't lie
> > > straight in bed. You just said "love those fathers".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Then they left you.
> > > >
> > > > No, I left them, they all wish I never did, but I'm not monagamous for
> > > > life type person.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, you left them, right.
> > >
> > >
> > > > You had
> > > > > it all coming,
> > > >
> > > > Certainly a specimen such as myself was indeed destined to reproduce,
> > > > likewise the opposite is true with a specimen such as you.
> > >
> > >
> > > Destined?
> >
> > Most women give themselves more significance than they deserve.
>
> Yes, even if God is omnisicient, it's a little hard to believe that
> Jennifer Larson could be a part of any divine plan.
God works in very mysterious ways at times.
> Among other things, if she ever met Him face to face, she would call
> Him a rancid woman-hating sexist patriarchal piece of shit and
> harangue Him for cursing her with a woman's body.
He could take her tongue away.
Jen Larson
Angilion wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:57:12 -0400, Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote:
> [About the three fathers of her three children]
> >No, I left them, they all wish I never did, but I'm not monagamous for
> >life type person.
> Did they know that before you had the children, or
> were they just breeding animals for you?
Yes they did absolutely know it, well I did tell them all that I am not
ever getting married nor do I tend to want to nest at all (though father
of youngest did not actually believe me ((he still doesn't! even though
I've been gone for years he _still_ wants me to quit my job and get
married!)).
> There is no way I would voluntarily risk becoming a father.
Your body your choice.
> That would mean giving someone else the right to take
> my children from me whenever they wanted to, which is
> far too great an imbalance of power and far too great
> a risk.
I understand your sentiments wrt sexism in parenting. Well those
daughters of mine have loving dads and this is important to me for them
to have that. I have never once even tried to remove them from the dad.
My oldest's father is/and was married and lied about it, he really isn't
in her life via his choice (he sends her letters and cards and gifts on
occassion), not mine nor does he give money. Middle dad has been there
since birth of his daughter and has joint custody of her, he was very
young at the time of her birth and stepped right up to the plate and she
was a real momma's girl, he took her screaming to the top of her lungs
every weekend :D now she doesn't of course :D The dad of youngest got
PISSED off when I told him I was leaving due to his violent outbursts
and of course got violent but I ran and he couldn't catch me, and kept
me away from her for about 3 mo's before going to court, tried to get
full custody with $$$big time$$$ lawyers, etc. but we have joint
physical custody and he knows she needs us both and he was wrong and
lashing out at me (at her expense). I informed _all_ of them of any
contraceptives I was using and that I would not abort if I became
pregnant. They all were fully informed as to my status and reproductive
decision(s). I'm not busting their balls even a little bit. They know
it (all of them have plenty of assets my middle daughter's father has
advanced himself leaps and bounds in the past 10 yrs since becoming a
parent this is for him and his daughter not MY benefit) I know it my
kids know it and they consider themselves fortunate but to me it is just
the way it _should_ be! I have all of them under my benefit plan which
includes all medical and dental and free college tuition and no, I don't
expect the dad to "pay me back" for it it's not about that it's about
what will benefit my child. I actually believe "best interest of the
child"! I _***LOVE***_ those girls and they are going to learn by my
example that women are not here to LEACH off of men!
Parg2000
>Date: 7/22/2002 6:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <5d0bf2be.0207...@posting.google.com>
>
>ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message
>news:<slrnajlk7d....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
>> In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>> > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message
>news:<3D3ABDB8...@udel.edu>...
>> > > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>
>>
>> > > > Dr. Freud says that you are the envious one, and it stands to reason
>> > > > that you would be.
>>
as a form of humor. Even in the film, Titanic, Freud was portrayed as a target
of fun.
> >
>> > > No, since sexism has been removed I have no reason to be jealous of
>ones>> > > without the sexist road blocks.
>> >
>> >
>> > You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
>> > intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
>> >
{Parg} Why do you suppose a woman would be "jealous" of a person having an
overlysensitive organ on the outside of their bodies, exposed to danger from
anything from a branch to a knife?
>> > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town>> >
spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life in every
pregnancy.
{Parg} Johnny spermalseed is only a tool, hon. <G> Women can have a family
quite without an individual man. Men cannot do the same. If women don't want
the progeny of a Spermalseed, she can abort. That's the way it works.
You are envious of the fact that sex has more
>> > consequences for you than it does for him
{Parg} I guess he doesn't watch Sex and the City. <G>
>> As long as you don't leave contact information, you mean.
>
>
>I guess that should be inserted as a qualifier.
>
>And I have a feeling that none of these guys did.
{Parg} Again, who cares?
>
>> > and that you don't even get
>> > any enjoyment out of it in return.
>>
>> You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
>
{Parg} Yes, he does.
<cut>
>
>
>
>
>
Angilion
>Angilion wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2002 09:57:12 -0400, Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote:
>
>> [About the three fathers of her three children]
>> >No, I left them, they all wish I never did, but I'm not monagamous for
>> >life type person.
>
>> Did they know that before you had the children, or
>> were they just breeding animals for you?
>
>Yes they did absolutely know it, well I did tell them all that I am not
>ever getting married nor do I tend to want to nest at all (though father
>of youngest did not actually believe me ((he still doesn't! even though
>I've been gone for years he _still_ wants me to quit my job and get
>married!)).
OK, so the error was theirs.
>> There is no way I would voluntarily risk becoming a father.
>
>Your body your choice.
Only it isn't because I'm a man. You can ignore the law and social
custom all you like, but they won't go away.
Jen Larson
Angilion wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:24:28 -0500, Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote:
> >Yes they did absolutely know it, well I did tell them all that I am not
> >ever getting married nor do I tend to want to nest at all (though father
> >of youngest did not actually believe me ((he still doesn't! even though
> >I've been gone for years he _still_ wants me to quit my job and get
> >married!)).
> OK, so the error was theirs.
I'm sure they would beg to differ.
> >> There is no way I would voluntarily risk becoming a father.
> >Your body your choice.
> Only it isn't because I'm a man.
Then how do you NOT voluntarilly risk becoming a father???!!!
You can ignore the law and social
> custom all you like, but they won't go away.
Controlling your body is all you need to do to NOT risk becomming a
father. EOS!
Angilion
>Angilion wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 09:24:28 -0500, Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote:
[Attributions already cut by Jen]
>> >> There is no way I would voluntarily risk becoming a father.
>
>> >Your body your choice.
>
>> Only it isn't because I'm a man.
>
>Then how do you NOT voluntarilly risk becoming a father???!!!
>
> You can ignore the law and social
>> custom all you like, but they won't go away.
>
>Controlling your body is all you need to do to NOT risk becomming a
>father. EOS!
We've been here before. It's pointless going there again. I
am, in your own words, a sperm-squirter. Men and men
alone cause pregnancy. A woman cannot rape a man.
I already know your opinions and I don't want to waste
my time with them again.
Gigantic A-Hole
> In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnajlk7d....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > > In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D3ABDB8...@udel.edu>...
> > > > > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > >
> > > > > You think that this is a problem? It's easily rectifiable using my own
> > > > > body.
> > > > > After I had all the children I wanted and could support I simply
> > > > > altered my reproduction permanently.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can still be raped. You can't rape men
> > >
> > > Why not? They law aren't going to stop her.
> >
> > No, but I doubt that she is strong enough to rape a man.
>
> Depends if she has the element of surprise.
I guess that she might use something heavy to knock him unconscious
from behind and then unzip him and...
I can't go on.
> > > > or get them pregnant. It
> > > > tears the heart out of you to know that you can't do those things to
> > > > men.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > Oh it's not,
> > > > > > > furthermore you can still tell I have a physique, unlike you of course
> > > > > > > who has gone to pot and has to go workout all the time to try to reclaim
> > > > > > > yours
>
> > > > > > That's a little like saying the most studious kid isn't the brightest
> > > > > > because he spends too much time studying.
> > > > >
> > > > > No it's not, it's like saying you sat on your ass too long and now you
> > > > > look like a marshmallow with a jelly spine. It's far better to just not
> > > > > sit on your ass until you turn into a blob. Really.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I guess that I should go out and kill someone just to prove that I
> > > > have enough resolve for you
> > >
> > > I'm not saying yes, I'm not saying no.
> >
> > It's different. You might actually be rooting for me.
>
> I always root for the criminal.
I usually root for the bad guy, myself.
> > She would be
> > rooting for me to get caught. That is the idea behind urging me to do
> > it in the first place.
> >
> > > > and that I should stop exercising because
> > > > you tell me that it's "far better" that way.
> > >
> > > Exercise is enjoyable.
> >
> > I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but what sort of exercise do you
> > do?
>
> Running and exercises to increase the muscle mass in my upper body.
I'm surprised. You gave the impression that you never left your room
other than to steal a book of matches or watch an Arsenal match. You
used to talk about how uneventful your life ewas.
> > > > > > Well, without a penis, your experience of sex isn't enjoyable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, that is incorrect, it is very enjoyable indeed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Then why are you stuffed from head to toe with penis envy?
> > >
> > > Wanting to urinate standing? Some obscure and pointless reason?
> >
> > A penis provides more benefits than just that.
>
> Masturbation, urination and what else?
Without it, you would be singing soprano.
> > <snip>
> >
> > > > > > Dr. Freud says that you are the envious one, and it stands to reason
> > > > > > that you would be.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, since sexism has been removed I have no reason to be jealous of ones
> > > > > without the sexist road blocks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
> > > > intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
> > > >
> > > > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town
> > > > spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life
> > > > in every pregnancy. You are envious of the fact that sex has more
> > > > consequences for you than it does for him
> > >
> > > As long as you don't leave contact information, you mean.
> >
> > I guess that should be inserted as a qualifier.
> >
> > And I have a feeling that none of these guys did.
>
> Perhaps not. The CSA can track people down, though.
Even if they don't have a name?
> > > > and that you don't even get
> > > > any enjoyment out of it in return.
> > >
> > > You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
> >
> > What?
>
> The women have no sex drive and don't enjoy sex, that's what.
We've argued this point before, and I still think that I won the
argument.
"There's providence in the fall of a sparrow".
"There's a divinity which shapes our ends/Rough hew them as we will"
I think that both of those lines are from Hamlet.
> > Among other things, if she ever met Him face to face, she would call
> > Him a rancid woman-hating sexist patriarchal piece of shit and
> > harangue Him for cursing her with a woman's body.
>
> He could take her tongue away.
And her typing fingers. What's He waiting for?
Gigantic A-Hole
> >Subject: Re: A growing trend - Women in the Mens movement
> >From: G...@pecbell.com (Gigantic A-Hole)
> >Date: 7/22/2002 6:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: <5d0bf2be.0207...@posting.google.com>
> >
> >ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message
> >news:<slrnajlk7d....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> >> In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> >> > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message
> news:<3D3ABDB8...@udel.edu>...
> >> > > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> >
> <cut>
> >>
> >> > > > Dr. Freud says that you are the envious one, and it stands to reason
> >> > > > that you would be.
> >>
> {Parg} Freud's views, especially on women, have been debunked
Only by people already predisposed to do so.
> and are now used
> as a form of humor.
So?
YOUR views on women have been debunked and are now used as a form of
humor.
You still seem to expect that your opinion will be given respect.
> Even in the film, Titanic, Freud was portrayed as a target
> of fun.
Yes, and in the movie "Field of Dreams", Shoeless Joe Jackson was
portrayed as a right-handed hitter.
Hollywood'll screw it up every time.
> >> > > No, since sexism has been removed I have no reason to be jealous of
> ones>> > > without the sexist road blocks.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
> >> > intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
> >> >
> {Parg} Why do you suppose a woman would be "jealous" of a person having an
> overlysensitive organ on the outside of their bodies, exposed to danger from
> anything from a branch to a knife?
You tell me.
> >> > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town>> >
> spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life in every
> pregnancy.
>
> {Parg} Johnny spermalseed is only a tool, hon.
You wouldn't recognize him if he passed you by in the street, dear.
<G> Women can have a family
> quite without an individual man. Men cannot do the same.
Left to their own devices, men would not want families. Domesticity
is a female-laid trap.
> If women don't want
> the progeny of a Spermalseed, she can abort.
Not in other parts of the world.
> That's the way it works.
That's another concept that you wouldn't recognize if it passed you by
in the street.
> You are envious of the fact that sex has more
> >> > consequences for you than it does for him
>
> {Parg} I guess he doesn't watch Sex and the City. <G>
You keep citing movies and TV shows as though the products of a
writer's imagination were proof of anything.
> >> As long as you don't leave contact information, you mean.
> >
> >
> >I guess that should be inserted as a qualifier.
> >
> >And I have a feeling that none of these guys did.
>
> {Parg} Again, who cares?
You do. The Spice Girl does.
> >
> >> > and that you don't even get
> >> > any enjoyment out of it in return.
> >>
> >> You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
> >
> {Parg} Yes, he does.
Oh Puke; you will do anything to find a friend.
A few months ago, Morgan and I were having an argument on
fundamentalism, and I took the anti-fundamentalist position so you put
your gnarly old arm around my shoulder and called me "friend" and
told me that I seemed well-provided for in the love department.
Bleah!
And now your views on female sexuality coincide more with Morgan's
than with mine so you're trying to seduce him.
Just because he thinks that I have some "stupid ideas" doesn't mean
that he thinks that you have any good ones.
You are so lonely and pitiful. But I just don't have it within me to
feel sorry for you.
Gigantic A-Hole
> Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>
> > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D3ABDB8...@udel.edu>...
>
> > > > > > > Why don't you tell them GA
>
> > > > > > I just did.
>
> > > No you didn't.
>
> > Yes, I did.
>
> No, you didn't.
Yes, I did.
> > > So, she's still doing what she always does.
>
> > She left this newsgroup in tears. Don't tell me that I didn't make a
> > difference.
>
> So? She's still doing what she always did!
Not at my expense.
> > > > That's right; disparage what you can't have. Those grapes are sour
> > > > anyway.
>
> > > No such thing is not disparging, just fact.
>
> > If you had a man's intellect, you wouldn't whine like a Spice Girl.
>
> Prove men don't whine, prove I do.
Every word out of your mouth.
> > > > Well, it's the reason why men are always knocking you up instead of
> > > > the other way around.
>
> > > You think that this is a problem? It's easily rectifiable using my own
> > > body.
> > > After I had all the children I wanted and could support I simply
> > > altered my reproduction permanently.
>
>
> > You can still be raped.
>
> So can you.
>
> You can't rape men or get them pregnant.
>
> I can rape them and make them reproduce (not that I would).
> It
Not that you can.
> > tears the heart out of you to know that you can't do those things to
> > men.
>
> No, it in no way bothers me that I won't rape men or get men pregnant.
Yes, it does. You want to inflict it on them.
> > > > > Oh it's not,
>
> > > > > furthermore you can still tell I have a physique, unlike you of course
> > > > > who has gone to pot and has to go workout all the time to try to reclaim
> > > > > yours
>
> > > > That's a little like saying the most studious kid isn't the brightest
> > > > because he spends too much time studying.
>
> > > No it's not, it's like saying you sat on your ass too long and now you
> > > look like a marshmallow with a jelly spine. It's far better to just not
> > > sit on your ass until you turn into a blob. Really.
>
> > I guess that I should go out and kill someone just to prove that I
> > have enough resolve for you
>
> Better than just spewing idiocy. At least then you will have shown some
> spinal fortitude.
Actually, I would just be showing that I'm as stupid as you are.
Why don't you kill the man who beat you up? Don't you have any spinal
fortitude?
> and that I should stop exercising because
> > you tell me that it's "far better" that way.
>
> No, keep it up, it's just a shame that this is what you have reduced
> yourself to.
I've reduced myself a great deal. I'm able to fit into old clothes
that I was ready to give away. <Chuckle>
> > It's nice to know that you have my best interests at heart.
>
> Likewise, as is my motto.
What kind of a stupid motto is that?
> > > > > (have you ever been in shape enough to play 9 innings?).
>
> > > > At 9 innings, most casual players in a pickup game are just getting
> > > > warmed up.
>
> > > True, however, have you ever even played a regulation game all the way
> > > through?
>
> > Don't make me treat you like your father did when you were bad.
>
> I can't make you do any such thing.
>
> > I'll ask you the same question that he did: "What did I just tell
> > you?"
>
> He never needed to ask that as his comprehension level was sufficient to
> discern actual words.
Why isn't your comprehension that good?
> > > > > Or a man's
> > > > > > equipment.
>
> > > > > True, and this is a problem for a woman because?
>
> > > > Well, without a penis, your experience of sex isn't enjoyable.
>
> > > Well, that is incorrect, it is very enjoyable indeed.
>
> > Then why are you stuffed from head to toe with penis envy?
>
> I'm not.
You are.
> I just know I don't need a penis to have: physical strength,
> intellectual ability, sexual pleasure, athletecism, ability to defend
> and protect my home, ability to earn enough to support my family,
> ability to understand politics and vote accordingly, etc, etc. Which
> deflates your penis "entitlement" attitude and hence harms your fragile
> ego.
You need a penis to do all of those things, or at least to do them
well.
Men can always take it away.
> You are envious of the fact that sex has more
> > consequences for you than it does for him
>
> Unless he doesn't control himself and then decides he wants "paper
> abortion".
>
> and that you don't even get
> > any enjoyment out of it in return. There, there.
>
> This is just personal experience of your lovers being projected onto me,
> it changes reality by zero.
Your reality badly needs changing.
> > > I have made my way with relative lack of
>
> > everything worth having.
>
> I have all I want and then some.
>
> > > problem and done well.
>
> > > > > It would be great for you if that were true, but as you know I am
> > > > > completely satisfied with myself and am healthy in body spirit and sex
> > > > > life,
>
> > Yes, yes.
>
> Correct.
>
> > >unlike some idiots who are spineless sexist shit piles.
>
> > > > Three bastard kids.
>
> > > Yup. Love those little bastards!
>
> > So much so that you deprived them of a father.
>
> Wrong!
Is there or is there not a father living with your little bastards?
> > > Three different fathers.
>
> > > Yup! Love those fathers!
>
> > Even though you acknowledge that one of them beat you.
>
> Yes, I still love him.
You love the man who beat you. Talk about spineless!
I beat him back when he beat me, the likewise
> thing. You can't stop love though, and he did get help and he's doing
> fine for now anyway.
>
> > > Stuffed you.
>
> > > Mmmmm right before I crushed them yum.
>
> > Well, then you had some abuse coming to you.
>
> They loved it.
Sure, that was my original point. Men enjoy sex. That's one of the
reasons why women envy men.
The sheer muscle power of the vagina is AWESOME men
> always make sure to tell me they love it and they show w/action as well,
> to me it's "just the way it is and is supposed to be".
>
>
> > > Might
> > > > have raped you.
>
> > > No, I'd never reproduce from a rape.
>
> > It's probably how you came into the world.
>
> Nope.
>
>
> > > Might have beaten you.
>
> > > Actually the baby's father did try to, he got a few good hits in before
> > > I nailed him, how pathetic.
>
> > God, with all of the practice that you've had, even you couldn't lie
> > straight in bed. You just said "love those fathers".
>
> I love him. I just can't be monogamous to him.
Loves the man who beat her. Spineless. Victimist mentality.
> > > Then they left you.
>
> > > No, I left them, they all wish I never did, but I'm not monagamous for
> > > life type person.
>
> > Yes, you left them, right.
>
> Correct. Every single one.
>
> > > You had
> > > > it all coming,
>
> > > Certainly a specimen such as myself was indeed destined to reproduce,
> > > likewise the opposite is true with a specimen such as you.
>
> > Destined?
>
> Yes, destined.
You have an exaggerated view of your importance.
> > > but it's a shame about those kids who didn't ask to be
> > > > born.
>
> > > No, it's not a shame at all, it is as it should be, all strong and going
> > > fine, honors, trophies, etc. You know the most popular girls, etc.
>
> > You couldn't lie straight in bed.
>
> Reality remains. My kids thrive and are not one single problem or
> trouble. Totally under control and progressing at expected (high)
> levels.
>
> > > > > > You do have a woman's mouth though. <Chuckle>
>
> > > > > I have a woman's everything since I am a woman <YAY>.
>
> > > > You should try to live a more virtuous life.
>
> > > Virtuous? No, I don't buy into the fallacy of conforming for idiocy.
>
> > > Then when you die, you
> > > > can go to heaven and become a man.
>
> > > I'm happy to just die and die.
>
> > No comment.
>
> None needed.
And if you needed one, I wouldn't give it to you. You need a good
deal of help that I couldn't give to you if I wanted to, anyway.
Angilion
>ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnajpd4d....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
>> In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>> > ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnajlk7d....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
>> > > In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>> > > > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D3ABDB8...@udel.edu>...
>> > > > > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You think that this is a problem? It's easily rectifiable using my own
>> > > > > body.
>> > > > > After I had all the children I wanted and could support I simply
>> > > > > altered my reproduction permanently.
>> > > >
>> > > > You can still be raped. You can't rape men
>> > >
>> > > Why not? They law aren't going to stop her.
>> >
>> > No, but I doubt that she is strong enough to rape a man.
>>
>> Depends if she has the element of surprise.
>
>I guess that she might use something heavy to knock him unconscious
>from behind and then unzip him and...
Or she could use a weapon to threaten him. Either a physical
one or a psychological one, like threatening to falsely accuse
him of raping her.
It isn't much more difficult for a woman to rape a man than it
is for a man to rape a woman, if they want to rape someone.
[..]
Ted Drake
> ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnajpd4d....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnajlk7d....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > > > In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > > > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D3ABDB8...@udel.edu>...
> > > > > > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You think that this is a problem? It's easily rectifiable using my own
> > > > > > body.
> > > > > > After I had all the children I wanted and could support I simply
> > > > > > altered my reproduction permanently.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You can still be raped. You can't rape men
> > > >
> > > > Why not? They law aren't going to stop her.
> > >
> > > No, but I doubt that she is strong enough to rape a man.
> >
> > Depends if she has the element of surprise.
>
> I guess that she might use something heavy to knock him unconscious
> from behind and then unzip him and...
>
> I can't go on.
Good.
> > > > > or get them pregnant. It
> > > > > tears the heart out of you to know that you can't do those things to
> > > > > men.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh it's not,
> > > > > > > > furthermore you can still tell I have a physique, unlike you of course
> > > > > > > > who has gone to pot and has to go workout all the time to try to reclaim
> > > > > > > > yours
> >
> > > > > > > That's a little like saying the most studious kid isn't the brightest
> > > > > > > because he spends too much time studying.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No it's not, it's like saying you sat on your ass too long and now you
> > > > > > look like a marshmallow with a jelly spine. It's far better to just not
> > > > > > sit on your ass until you turn into a blob. Really.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I guess that I should go out and kill someone just to prove that I
> > > > > have enough resolve for you
> > > >
> > > > I'm not saying yes, I'm not saying no.
> > >
> > > It's different. You might actually be rooting for me.
> >
> > I always root for the criminal.
>
> I usually root for the bad guy, myself.
I just don't like the police.
> > > She would be
> > > rooting for me to get caught. That is the idea behind urging me to do
> > > it in the first place.
> > >
> > > > > and that I should stop exercising because
> > > > > you tell me that it's "far better" that way.
> > > >
> > > > Exercise is enjoyable.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but what sort of exercise do you
> > > do?
> >
> > Running and exercises to increase the muscle mass in my upper body.
>
> I'm surprised. You gave the impression that you never left your room
> other than to steal a book of matches or watch an Arsenal match.
I don't think I did. I like going out at four or five o'clock in the
morning for a run. Of course, I don't have a trainer like you. Besides,
I don't smoke or commit arson so I wouldn't have much use for matches.
> You
> used to talk about how uneventful your life ewas.
My life is uneventful.
> > > > > > > Well, without a penis, your experience of sex isn't enjoyable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, that is incorrect, it is very enjoyable indeed.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Then why are you stuffed from head to toe with penis envy?
> > > >
> > > > Wanting to urinate standing? Some obscure and pointless reason?
> > >
> > > A penis provides more benefits than just that.
> >
> > Masturbation, urination and what else?
>
> Without it, you would be singing soprano.
No I wouldn't.
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > > > > Dr. Freud says that you are the envious one, and it stands to reason
> > > > > > > that you would be.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, since sexism has been removed I have no reason to be jealous of ones
> > > > > > without the sexist road blocks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
> > > > > intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
> > > > >
> > > > > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town
> > > > > spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life
> > > > > in every pregnancy. You are envious of the fact that sex has more
> > > > > consequences for you than it does for him
> > > >
> > > > As long as you don't leave contact information, you mean.
> > >
> > > I guess that should be inserted as a qualifier.
> > >
> > > And I have a feeling that none of these guys did.
> >
> > Perhaps not. The CSA can track people down, though.
>
> Even if they don't have a name?
Not if they don't have a name, no.
> > > > > and that you don't even get
> > > > > any enjoyment out of it in return.
> > > >
> > > > You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
> > >
> > > What?
> >
> > The women have no sex drive and don't enjoy sex, that's what.
>
> We've argued this point before, and I still think that I won the
> argument.
I still think I won.
I don't know any Shakespear.
> > > Among other things, if she ever met Him face to face, she would call
> > > Him a rancid woman-hating sexist patriarchal piece of shit and
> > > harangue Him for cursing her with a woman's body.
> >
> > He could take her tongue away.
>
> And her typing fingers. What's He waiting for?
Mysterious ways.
Ted Drake
> parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote in message news:<20020723104503...@mb-fz.news.cs.com>...
> > >Subject: Re: A growing trend - Women in the Mens movement
> > >From: G...@pecbell.com (Gigantic A-Hole)
> > >Date: 7/22/2002 6:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
> > >Message-id: <5d0bf2be.0207...@posting.google.com>
> > >
> > >ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message
> > >news:<slrnajlk7d....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > >> In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > >> > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message
> > news:<3D3ABDB8...@udel.edu>...
> > >> > > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > >
> > <cut>
> > >>
> > >> > > No, since sexism has been removed I have no reason to be jealous of
> > ones>> > > without the sexist road blocks.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
> > >> > intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
> > >> >
> > {Parg} Why do you suppose a woman would be "jealous" of a person having an
> > overlysensitive organ on the outside of their bodies, exposed to danger from
> > anything from a branch to a knife?
>
> You tell me.
How often do penises fall victim to branches or knives?
> > >> > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town>> >
> > spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life in every
> > pregnancy.
> >
> > {Parg} Johnny spermalseed is only a tool, hon.
>
> You wouldn't recognize him if he passed you by in the street, dear.
"He"'s an appendage.
> > <G> Women can have a family
> > quite without an individual man. Men cannot do the same.
>
> Left to their own devices, men would not want families. Domesticity
> is a female-laid trap.
Some would still like families, you know. Men come in all kinds.
Were there no women, men might live like gods.
-- Thomas Dekker
> > If women don't want
> > the progeny of a Spermalseed, she can abort.
>
> Not in other parts of the world.
Not without going to prison.
[...]
> > >> > and that you don't even get
> > >> > any enjoyment out of it in return.
> > >>
> > >> You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
> >
> > {Parg} Yes, he does.
Yes, he *has*.
> Oh Puke; you will do anything to find a friend.
>
> A few months ago, Morgan and I were having an argument on
> fundamentalism, and I took the anti-fundamentalist position so you put
> your gnarly old arm around my shoulder and called me "friend" and
> told me that I seemed well-provided for in the love department.
>
> Bleah!
>
> And now your views on female sexuality coincide more with Morgan's
> than with mine so you're trying to seduce him.
I think her views coincide more with yours, that men are sex-crazed
beasts.
> Just because he thinks that I have some "stupid ideas" doesn't mean
> that he thinks that you have any good ones.
She doesn't seem to have any ideas, she just denigrates penises. She
sems obsessed with the male genitalia.
The man-hating woman, like the cold woman, is largely imaginary. She
is simply a woman who has done her best to snare a man and has
failed.
-- Norton
The female, moreover, is completely occupied and content with sexual
matters, whilst men are interested in much else, in war and sport, in
social affairs and feasting, in philosophy and science, in business
and politics, in religion and art. ... Of contemporary women at least
one thing is certain. Apart from an exception to be noted in chap.
xii, it is certain that when the female occupies herself with matters
outside the interests of sex, it is for the man that she loves or by
whom she wishes to be loved. She takes no real interest in things
themselves. It may happen that a real female learns Latin; if so, it
is for some such purpose as to help her son who is at school. Desire
for a subject and ability for it, interest in it, and the facility
for acquiring it, are usually proportional. He who has slight muscles
has no desire to wield an axe; those without the faculty for
mathematics do not desire to study that subject. Talent seems to be
rare and feeble in the real female (although possibly it is merely
that the dominant sexuality prevents its development), with the
result that woman has no power of forming the combinations which,
although they do not actually make the individuality, certainly shape
it.
-- Otto Weininger, "Sex & Character"
> You are so lonely and pitiful. But I just don't have it within me to
> feel sorry for you.
I thought you were compassionate, GA?
Jen Larson
Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>
> Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message news:<3D3C51AD...@udel.edu>...
> > No, you didn't.
> Yes, I did.
Nope. You did not.
> > So? She's still doing what she always did!
> Not at my expense.
Neither were the women in the men's movement whom you asked unknown
other people to ask them to stop. Nonetheless, you make zero difference
to what women do.
> > > If you had a man's intellect, you wouldn't whine like a Spice Girl.
> > Prove men don't whine, prove I do.
> Every word out of your mouth.
Nope, see you lose as usual. Idiotic buffoon.
> > > You can still be raped.
> > So can you.
> > You can't rape men
I can but I won't. Slight difference. To further clarify, I won't
because I don't WANT to unlike you who really really wants to rape and
beat women but WON'T! LOL!
or get them pregnant.
Good, I like reproductive nature as it is.
> > I can rape them and make them reproduce (not that I would).
> > It
> Not that you can.
I could, I won't because I have no interest or desire in doing so.
> > No, it in no way bothers me that I won't rape men or get men pregnant.
> Yes, it does.
No, it does not bother me in the slightest. My cat knocked the fish food
into the aquarium. This bothers me _slightly_. Frame of reference for
you.
You want to inflict it on them.
No this would be your own sick projections, projections of the jelly
spined onto the steel spined. As is often the case, the steel spine
usually comes with integrity and honor and the jelly spine has opposite
potentials to the steel one. Your spine is jelly HTH.
> > > I guess that I should go out and kill someone just to prove that I
> > > have enough resolve for you
> > Better than just spewing idiocy. At least then you will have shown some
> > spinal fortitude.
> Actually, I would just be showing that I'm as stupid as you are.
No, I don't want to kill or injure or rape any person that does not
first attempt or inflict like on me. You would be showing that your
spine has some bracing to it, like mine. If I want to do something I
just do it. Pining away is for weakspine like yourself. Of course you
are not as stupid as me or as stupid as Einstein, you are as stupid as
yourself yet maintain just enough grip on reality to understand that you
are too stupid to do anything of this magnitude without fucking yourself
over.
> Why don't you kill the man who beat you up? Don't you have any spinal
> fortitude?
I could have killed him. As he was clutching his chest I grabbed a heavy
stone lamp and let him know just how weak and FUCKED up he was *get the
mental picture: foot on chest holding 30lb stone over skull. Obviously I
did not WANT to kill him. I don't overreact like some idiotic people.
> > and that I should stop exercising because
> > > you tell me that it's "far better" that way.
> > No, keep it up, it's just a shame that this is what you have reduced
> > yourself to.
> I've reduced myself a great deal. I'm able to fit into old clothes
> that I was ready to give away. <Chuckle>
No, it's a shame you have to reduce your flab and fat accumulation, it's
pathetic. You must have blobbed away quite a few moments in jelly like
stagnancy probably fantasizing about injuring and killing women.
Pathetic!
> > > It's nice to know that you have my best interests at heart.
> > Likewise, as is my motto.
> What kind of a stupid motto is that?
The kind that makes sense.
> > > > > > (have you ever been in shape enough to play 9 innings?).
> > > > > At 9 innings, most casual players in a pickup game are just getting
> > > > > warmed up.
> > > > True, however, have you ever even played a regulation game all the way
> > > > through?
> > > Don't make me treat you like your father did when you were bad.
> > I can't make you do any such thing.
> > > I'll ask you the same question that he did: "What did I just tell
> > > you?"
> > He never needed to ask that as his comprehension level was sufficient to
> > discern actual words.
> Why isn't your comprehension that good?
It is. My dad would never be retarded enough to answer a question with a
statement that has nothing to do with the question.
> > > Then why are you stuffed from head to toe with penis envy?
> > I'm not.
> You are.
Not even a slight tinge. I like my receptacle end. It has the g-spot in
there my men get my clit, dual sensation orgasm it's great. I cum much
harder and longer than most men I've had sex with. It is exhausting. As
for pissing standing up that could be convinient but to trade the
protected clit for the unprotected penis in such sensitive things,
again, I consider myself fortunate.
> > I just know I don't need a penis to have: physical strength,
> > intellectual ability, sexual pleasure, athletecism, ability to defend
> > and protect my home, ability to earn enough to support my family,
> > ability to understand politics and vote accordingly, etc, etc. Which
> > deflates your penis "entitlement" attitude and hence harms your fragile
> > ego.
> You need a penis to do all of those things, or at least to do them
> well.
Nope. Everything I do I do it well. I totally rule!
> > I like being the one with final decision making ability. It is a natural
> > female advantage.
> Men can always take it away.
Nope. Nature rules all things over men.
> > and that you don't even get
> > > any enjoyment out of it in return. There, there.
> > This is just personal experience of your lovers being projected onto me,
> > it changes reality by zero.
> Your reality badly needs changing.
No, it's real which is how reality is. Have some tips that won't land me
in a holding cell for awhile?
> > > So much so that you deprived them of a father.
> > Wrong!
> Is there or is there not a father living with your little bastards?
2 out of 3 yes.
> > Yes, I still love him.
> You love the man who beat you. Talk about spineless!
No, more steel spine. If I hated him I would have cleaned him out when
he took me to court to try to get full custody or killed him like his 2
wk ex-wife tried to do, our daughter is his only heir, if I ever see her
I will pound her sleaze ass into the ground. Instead I helped him to
change his ways for our daughter's sake all is well we all get along
fine and do things together as a family. He doesn't live with me and we
don't have sex anymore *darn it because he is excellent in bed* because
he can't hack the fact that I won't marry him and/or commit for life.
> > > > Mmmmm right before I crushed them yum.
> > > Well, then you had some abuse coming to you.
> > They loved it.
> Sure, that was my original point. Men enjoy sex. That's one of the
> reasons why women envy men.
That stupid idiocy may have wilted your girlfreind in the fifties but I
seriously doubt any modern person would even consider it other than as
laughable feeble attempt to minimize others to prop themselves.
> > I love him. I just can't be monogamous to him.
> Loves the man who beat her. Spineless. Victimist mentality.
He learned not to beat me, good enough for me. He is a good man who lost
control, nothing more or less. It helped him to understand that his
daughter's mother is steel-spined and most likely passed this trait on
to his daughter whom is the apple of his eye. Attitudes about women
often change when you have a daughter, something you'll never
experience.
> > > Destined?
> > Yes, destined.
> You have an exaggerated view of your importance.
Nope.
> > > > I'm happy to just die and die.
> > > No comment.
> > None needed.
> And if you needed one, I wouldn't give it to you.
I can believe that.
You need a good
> deal of help that I couldn't give to you if I wanted to, anyway.
MMmhm. Help yourself first. Why not see if you can brace your spine up a
bit.
Jen Larson
Angilion wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:07:08 -0500, Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote:
> >Controlling your body is all you need to do to NOT risk becomming a
> >father. EOS!
> We've been here before. It's pointless going there again. I
> am, in your own words, a sperm-squirter.
Reproductively speaking yes, and I am a fetus gestator. Are you ashamed
of your reproductive contribution or proud or indifferent?
Men and men
> alone cause pregnancy.
Men inseminating into a reproductive tract of a female cause pregnancy.
A woman cannot rape a man.
BS
> I already know your opinions and I don't want to waste
> my time with them again.
Fine w/me. I know I'm correct and that is satisfying in and of itself.
Angilion
wrote:
>In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
>> ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnajpd4d....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
>> > In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
[..]
>> > > A penis provides more benefits than just that.
>> >
>> > Masturbation, urination and what else?
>>
>> Without it, you would be singing soprano.
>
>No I wouldn't.
That shows some knowledge of male physiology, which is sadly rare.
Point 1: It's the testicles that are the relevant part, not the penis.
Point 2: The relevance is to testosterone production and puberty (higher
testosterone production results in a bigger increase to the size of the
voicebox and thus a deeper voice). Since Ted Drake is an adult, the job
has already been done.
Gigantic A-Hole
> In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote in message news:<20020723104503...@mb-fz.news.cs.com>...
> > > >Subject: Re: A growing trend - Women in the Mens movement
> > > >From: G...@pecbell.com (Gigantic A-Hole)
> > > >Date: 7/22/2002 6:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
> > > >Message-id: <5d0bf2be.0207...@posting.google.com>
> > > >
> > > >ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message
> > > >news:<slrnajlk7d....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > > >> In alt.feminism, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > >> > Jen Larson <stra...@udel.edu> wrote in message
> news:<3D3ABDB8...@udel.edu>...
> > > >> > > Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > >
> <cut>
> > > >>
> [...]
> > > >> > > No, since sexism has been removed I have no reason to be jealous of
> ones>> > > without the sexist road blocks.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
> > > >> > intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
> > > >> >
> > > {Parg} Why do you suppose a woman would be "jealous" of a person having an
> > > overlysensitive organ on the outside of their bodies, exposed to danger from
> > > anything from a branch to a knife?
> >
> > You tell me.
>
> How often do penises fall victim to branches or knives?
Much less frequently if one avoids the company of women.
> > > >> > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town>> >
> > > spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life in every
> > > pregnancy.
> > >
> > > {Parg} Johnny spermalseed is only a tool, hon.
> >
> > You wouldn't recognize him if he passed you by in the street, dear.
>
> "He"'s an appendage.
Yes, and one with whom she is unfamiliar. If you get my drift.
> > > <G> Women can have a family
> > > quite without an individual man. Men cannot do the same.
> >
> > Left to their own devices, men would not want families. Domesticity
> > is a female-laid trap.
>
> Some would still like families, you know. Men come in all kinds.
>
> Were there no women, men might live like gods.
> -- Thomas Dekker
It sounds like Thomas Dekker doesn't agree with you.
> > > If women don't want
> > > the progeny of a Spermalseed, she can abort.
> >
> > Not in other parts of the world.
>
> Not without going to prison.
>
> [...]
> > > >> > and that you don't even get
> > > >> > any enjoyment out of it in return.
> > > >>
> > > >> You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
> > >
> > > {Parg} Yes, he does.
>
> Yes, he *has*.
Yeah, thanks for the sour persimmons, Morgan. Continue to feed the
Pukes, why don't you?
> > Oh Puke; you will do anything to find a friend.
> >
> > A few months ago, Morgan and I were having an argument on
> > fundamentalism, and I took the anti-fundamentalist position so you put
> > your gnarly old arm around my shoulder and called me "friend" and
> > told me that I seemed well-provided for in the love department.
> >
> > Bleah!
> >
> > And now your views on female sexuality coincide more with Morgan's
> > than with mine so you're trying to seduce him.
>
> I think her views coincide more with yours, that men are sex-crazed
> beasts.
No, they coincide more with yours - that men must cater to women's
so-called sexual needs.
> > Just because he thinks that I have some "stupid ideas" doesn't mean
> > that he thinks that you have any good ones.
>
> She doesn't seem to have any ideas, she just denigrates penises. She
> sems obsessed with the male genitalia.
Yes, she wishes to destroy that which she cannot have. Puke and
Jennifer Larson: two of a kind.
Well, there are limits, of course.
Sue
> <cut of article I had no permission to reprint>
>
>
> {Parg} Signing the name of your second or third wife on a membership roster,
> does not "women in the men's movement" make.
Cannot help but to have the impression that some of these
men's-movement women are simply out to score brownie-points with the
guys (as if these women are ashamed of their God-given evolutionary
properties - their womanhood). While it's one thing to be very
critical of radical-feminism, but for these women to fall in and
fOOLfill masculist's (high-heeled)boys-with-hooters fantasies,,, talk
about "prone!"
Sunny
>parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote in message news:<20020719115610...@mb-ca.news.cs.com>...
>> <cut of article I had no permission to reprint>
>>
>>
>> {Parg} Signing the name of your second or third wife on a membership roster,
>> does not "women in the men's movement" make.
>
>Cannot help but to have the impression that some of these
>men's-movement women are simply out to score brownie-points with the
>guys
Sounds like sour grapes on your part... most of the women here who
dislike the rantings of so-called feminists are in fact happily
married women and are not flirting with men. What you disdainfully
refer to as "mens-movement women" really means "women against the
sexism and bias against men as force-fed to women by feminism."
Whenever a woman refuses to be taken in by feminist rantings and does
not show loathing for men, the feminists promptly announce that she
must be a man in disguise, and shower her with epithets and juvenile
insults. Feminism is not supportive of all women, only selected
females who demonstrate anti-male sentiments..
>(as if these women are ashamed of their God-given evolutionary
>properties - their womanhood).
Having a working uterus is not grounds for sainthood, nor is it
something to put on your resume as a qualification for anything.
"Shame" has nothing to do with it.
>While it's one thing to be very
>critical of radical-feminism, but for these women to fall in and
>fOOLfill masculist's (high-heeled)boys-with-hooters fantasies,,, talk
>about "prone!"
Funny, there is at least one feminist who posts here who, when
(frequently) unable to provide rational discussion, resorts to
announcing her bra cup size. Another man-hating feminist likes to
boast that she is a dominatrix who enjoys tying up men and spanking
them. Talk about fulfilling male fantasies... LOL
Ted Drake
That explains my happy life, then.
> > > > >> > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town>> >
> > > > spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life in every
> > > > pregnancy.
> > > >
> > > > {Parg} Johnny spermalseed is only a tool, hon.
> > >
> > > You wouldn't recognize him if he passed you by in the street, dear.
> >
> > "He"'s an appendage.
>
> Yes, and one with whom she is unfamiliar. If you get my drift.
I get your drift.
> > > > <G> Women can have a family
> > > > quite without an individual man. Men cannot do the same.
> > >
> > > Left to their own devices, men would not want families. Domesticity
> > > is a female-laid trap.
> >
> > Some would still like families, you know. Men come in all kinds.
> >
> > Were there no women, men might live like gods.
> > -- Thomas Dekker
>
> It sounds like Thomas Dekker doesn't agree with you.
He never mentioned domesticity.
> > > > If women don't want
> > > > the progeny of a Spermalseed, she can abort.
> > >
> > > Not in other parts of the world.
> >
> > Not without going to prison.
> >
> > [...]
> > > > >> > and that you don't even get
> > > > >> > any enjoyment out of it in return.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
> > > >
> > > > {Parg} Yes, he does.
> >
> > Yes, he *has*.
>
> Yeah, thanks for the sour persimmons, Morgan. Continue to feed the
> Pukes, why don't you?
Will do.
> > > Oh Puke; you will do anything to find a friend.
> > >
> > > A few months ago, Morgan and I were having an argument on
> > > fundamentalism, and I took the anti-fundamentalist position so you put
> > > your gnarly old arm around my shoulder and called me "friend" and
> > > told me that I seemed well-provided for in the love department.
> > >
> > > Bleah!
> > >
> > > And now your views on female sexuality coincide more with Morgan's
> > > than with mine so you're trying to seduce him.
> >
> > I think her views coincide more with yours, that men are sex-crazed
> > beasts.
>
> No, they coincide more with yours - that men must cater to women's
> so-called sexual needs.
I never said that men must cater to their needs, just that their needs
exist.
> > > Just because he thinks that I have some "stupid ideas" doesn't mean
> > > that he thinks that you have any good ones.
> >
> > She doesn't seem to have any ideas, she just denigrates penises. She
> > sems obsessed with the male genitalia.
>
> Yes, she wishes to destroy that which she cannot have. Puke and
> Jennifer Larson: two of a kind.
Don't worry girls, phalloplasty makes great strides every day.
You're not heartless enough.
Turin
Well, well, look who's back from hiding: Little Miss Lazy Housewife
Susan Botchie, defender of those who live off of timid, easily
controlled pathetic excuses for men.
— — —
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~ Turin
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Gigantic A-Hole
It certainly explains your still being intact.
> > > > > >> > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town>> >
> > > > > spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life in every
> > > > > pregnancy.
> > > > >
> > > > > {Parg} Johnny spermalseed is only a tool, hon.
> > > >
> > > > You wouldn't recognize him if he passed you by in the street, dear.
> > >
> > > "He"'s an appendage.
> >
> > Yes, and one with whom she is unfamiliar. If you get my drift.
>
> I get your drift.
>
> > > > > <G> Women can have a family
> > > > > quite without an individual man. Men cannot do the same.
> > > >
> > > > Left to their own devices, men would not want families. Domesticity
> > > > is a female-laid trap.
> > >
> > > Some would still like families, you know. Men come in all kinds.
> > >
> > > Were there no women, men might live like gods.
> > > -- Thomas Dekker
> >
> > It sounds like Thomas Dekker doesn't agree with you.
>
> He never mentioned domesticity.
Well, the absence of women implies the absence of domesticity.
> > > > > If women don't want
> > > > > the progeny of a Spermalseed, she can abort.
> > > >
> > > > Not in other parts of the world.
> > >
> > > Not without going to prison.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > > > >> > and that you don't even get
> > > > > >> > any enjoyment out of it in return.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
> > > > >
> > > > > {Parg} Yes, he does.
> > >
> > > Yes, he *has*.
> >
> > Yeah, thanks for the sour persimmons, Morgan. Continue to feed the
> > Pukes, why don't you?
>
> Will do.
Really? How far will you go to do that?
Maybe Puke no longer have sit up nights in her skimpy negligee waiting
for a healthy young man to come. One who jogs and lifts weights, yet.
> > > > Oh Puke; you will do anything to find a friend.
> > > >
> > > > A few months ago, Morgan and I were having an argument on
> > > > fundamentalism, and I took the anti-fundamentalist position so you put
> > > > your gnarly old arm around my shoulder and called me "friend" and
> > > > told me that I seemed well-provided for in the love department.
> > > >
> > > > Bleah!
> > > >
> > > > And now your views on female sexuality coincide more with Morgan's
> > > > than with mine so you're trying to seduce him.
> > >
> > > I think her views coincide more with yours, that men are sex-crazed
> > > beasts.
> >
> > No, they coincide more with yours - that men must cater to women's
> > so-called sexual needs.
>
> I never said that men must cater to their needs, just that their needs
> exist.
Actually, you said that they were randier than men.
> > > > Just because he thinks that I have some "stupid ideas" doesn't mean
> > > > that he thinks that you have any good ones.
> > >
> > > She doesn't seem to have any ideas, she just denigrates penises. She
> > > sems obsessed with the male genitalia.
> >
> > Yes, she wishes to destroy that which she cannot have. Puke and
> > Jennifer Larson: two of a kind.
>
> Don't worry girls, phalloplasty makes great strides every day.
In the meantime, there are always substitutes.
I'm working on it.
Ted Drake
I think I'd be intact anyway.
> > > > > > >> > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town>> >
> > > > > > spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life in every
> > > > > > pregnancy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > {Parg} Johnny spermalseed is only a tool, hon.
> > > > >
> > > > > You wouldn't recognize him if he passed you by in the street, dear.
> > > >
> > > > "He"'s an appendage.
> > >
> > > Yes, and one with whom she is unfamiliar. If you get my drift.
> >
> > I get your drift.
> >
> > > > > > <G> Women can have a family
> > > > > > quite without an individual man. Men cannot do the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > Left to their own devices, men would not want families. Domesticity
> > > > > is a female-laid trap.
> > > >
> > > > Some would still like families, you know. Men come in all kinds.
> > > >
> > > > Were there no women, men might live like gods.
> > > > -- Thomas Dekker
> > >
> > > It sounds like Thomas Dekker doesn't agree with you.
> >
> > He never mentioned domesticity.
>
> Well, the absence of women implies the absence of domesticity.
No, just the absense of women.
> > > > > > If women don't want
> > > > > > the progeny of a Spermalseed, she can abort.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not in other parts of the world.
> > > >
> > > > Not without going to prison.
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > > > > >> > and that you don't even get
> > > > > > >> > any enjoyment out of it in return.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> You have some really stupid ideas, GA.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > {Parg} Yes, he does.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, he *has*.
> > >
> > > Yeah, thanks for the sour persimmons, Morgan. Continue to feed the
> > > Pukes, why don't you?
> >
> > Will do.
>
> Really? How far will you go to do that?
>
> Maybe Puke no longer have sit up nights in her skimpy negligee waiting
> for a healthy young man to come. One who jogs and lifts weights, yet.
Tht's disgusting. And jogging is not running. Jogging hurts your knees.
> > > > > Oh Puke; you will do anything to find a friend.
> > > > >
> > > > > A few months ago, Morgan and I were having an argument on
> > > > > fundamentalism, and I took the anti-fundamentalist position so you put
> > > > > your gnarly old arm around my shoulder and called me "friend" and
> > > > > told me that I seemed well-provided for in the love department.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bleah!
> > > > >
> > > > > And now your views on female sexuality coincide more with Morgan's
> > > > > than with mine so you're trying to seduce him.
> > > >
> > > > I think her views coincide more with yours, that men are sex-crazed
> > > > beasts.
> > >
> > > No, they coincide more with yours - that men must cater to women's
> > > so-called sexual needs.
> >
> > I never said that men must cater to their needs, just that their needs
> > exist.
>
> Actually, you said that they were randier than men.
And I still do.
> > > > > Just because he thinks that I have some "stupid ideas" doesn't mean
> > > > > that he thinks that you have any good ones.
> > > >
> > > > She doesn't seem to have any ideas, she just denigrates penises. She
> > > > sems obsessed with the male genitalia.
> > >
> > > Yes, she wishes to destroy that which she cannot have. Puke and
> > > Jennifer Larson: two of a kind.
> >
> > Don't worry girls, phalloplasty makes great strides every day.
>
> In the meantime, there are always substitutes.
http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/2002/01/28/car-substitute.html
Hit a woman today.
Turin
The only "fOOls" are the guys who continue to pay the bills of women
like this while listening to these old, overweight slobs (or not)
attach conditions to their "manhood"...
One thing which is typically forgotten is that in the old days, the
manhood which had to prove itself all of the time also came with a
fist attached to it. By definition.
It wasn't anyone's puppet, provider/protector, or errand boy - whether
it chose to do those things, or not. It called the shots and the
roles of others were relevant to IT.
There was none of this mind perverting witchcraft that:
"Being weak and malleable is what being a strong man is really all
about. So be ‘big enough to admit you're wrong', and be ‘strong
enough to bend'".
That's the only kind of patriarchy that I would support. Fake
patriarchy is what gives men stress and kills them. Let's put the
stress on women.
— — —
"This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him":
Parg2000
>Date: 7/27/2002 10:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <62178907.02072...@posting.google.com>
>
>Sue (SBot...@aol.com) wrote:
>
>> parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote in message
>> news:<20020719115610...@mb-ca.news.cs.com>...
>> > <cut of article I had no permission to reprint>
>> >
>> >
>> > {Parg} Signing the name of your second or third wife on a membership
roster,> does not "women in the men's movement" make.
>>
>> Cannot help but to have the impression that some of these>> men's-movement
women are simply out to score brownie-points with
>> the>> guys (as if these women are ashamed of their God-given>> evolutionary
>> properties - their womanhood). While it's one thing to be very>> critical
of radical-feminism, but for these women to fall in and>> fOOLfill masculist's
(high-heeled)boys-with-hooters fantasies,,,
>> talk>> about "prone!"
>
>
>The only "fOOls" are the guys who continue to pay the bills of women>like this
while listening to these old, overweight slobs (or not)>attach conditions to
their "manhood"...
>
>One thing which is typically forgotten is that in the old days, the>manhood
which had to prove itself all of the time also came with a
>fist attached to it. By definition.
{Parg} Ah, so that was the definition of manhood? A penis with a fist
attached? Hmmmm.
>
>It wasn't anyone's puppet, provider/protector, or errand boy - whether
>it chose to do those things, or not. It called the shots and the
>roles of others were relevant to IT.
>
{Parg} Aren't you pleased that when you look up "man" in the dictionary, it
doesn't show a picture of a penis with a fist?
>There was none of this mind perverting witchcraft that:
>
>"Being weak and malleable is what being a strong man is really all>about. So
be ‘big enough to admit you're wrong', and be ‘strong
>enough to bend'".
>
{Parg} How is being a penis with a fist about "bending"?
>
>That's the only kind of patriarchy that I would support.
{Parg} "Patriarchy" means male-only rule; why would a man who loved women
support that at all? Do you have daughters?
Fake>patriarchy is what gives men stress and kills them.
{Parg} Being a dick with a fist would tend to kill anyone early. But, having
the total responsibility to rule the world, with women as children or slaves,
also could add a bit of stress.
Let's put the>stress on women.
>
{Parg} That's what women are demanding. As women take more and more
traditionally male only jobs, hobbies, etc., more of them will tend to take on
traditional male only kinds of stress. Of course, women may also handle such
stress in a different way, AND dealing with children may have prepared them for
stress. <G>
>
JHS
>>> > You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
>>> > intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
>>> >
>{Parg} Why do you suppose a woman would be "jealous" of a person having an
>overlysensitive organ on the outside of their bodies, exposed to danger from
>anything from a branch to a knife?
Speaking of overly sensitive organs on the outside of their bodies,
how about women's breasts. They are far more subject to disease and
damage than men's genitals. And they are far less useful or used in
continuing the human race. They are used more for breast envy among
women and to attract men, than to sustain the race.
Women are obviously envious of men in several ways. They envy men's
ability to earn more money. They envy men not having to take time
off for child bearing. Many envy men's height, so they wear high
heels and big hairdos. Many envy men's broader shoulders, so they
wear shoulder pads. Etc. etc...... The list goes on. Men and
women are physically different. I can live with it. Can you?
>>> > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town>> >
>spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life in every
>pregnancy.
>
>{Parg} Johnny spermalseed is only a tool, hon. <G> Women can have a family
>quite without an individual man. Men cannot do the same. If women don't want
>the progeny of a Spermalseed, she can abort. That's the way it works.
Your attitude toward men shows that you do not place them on an equal
footing. Granted there are differences. Live with them.
The way it really works is that women do require a man to supply the
sperm. Children benifit having a father help raise them.
And to our subject: A growing trend - Women in the Mens movement; I
have no problem with that. Men support women and women support men.
Sounds good to me.
Parg2000
>From: JHS pops...@pobox.com
>Date: 8/10/2002 5:44 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <029blusu4ld8u29kh...@4ax.com>
>
>On 23 Jul 2002 14:45:03 GMT, parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote:
>
>
>>>> > You are envious of a man's physique. You are envious of a man's
>>>> > intellect. You are envious of a man's equipment.
>>>> >
>>{Parg} Why do you suppose a woman would be "jealous" of a person having an
>>overlysensitive organ on the outside of their bodies, exposed to danger
>from
>>anything from a branch to a knife?
>
>Speaking of overly sensitive organs on the outside of their bodies,>how about
women's breasts. They are far more subject to disease and>damage than men's
genitals.
{Parg} In what way?
And they are far less useful or used in
>continuing the human race. They are used more for breast envy among>women and
to attract men, than to sustain the race.
>
{Parg} I'm not sure where you think you're going with this, but women's
breasts are more utililitarian then men's breasts and women's genitals and
men's genitals serve the same purpose. Are you more into comparisons between
apples and oranges and is that kind of flawed comparison the only way you can
try to make a point?
<G>
>Women are obviously envious of men in several ways. They envy men's
>ability to earn more money.
{Parg} If women "envy" anything about men at all it is their privileges they
get in the way of discrimination against women. Women place no value on the
penis as something they long for as part of thier own bodies.
They envy men not having to take time>off for child bearing.
{Parg} Women are the only sex who can have children. Any time they choose to
not share with men, they need not. So, I don't think you're correct in your
flawed assumption.
Many envy men's height, so they wear high
>heels and big hairdos. Many envy men's broader shoulders, so they
>wear shoulder pads. Etc. etc...... The list goes on. Men and
>women are physically different. I can live with it. Can you?
{Parg} Women can do everything men can do PLUS gestate. I'm very comfortable
with that. <G>
>
>>>> > You are envious of the fact that a man can roam from town to town>> >
>>spreading his seed while you have to invest 9 months out of your life in
>every
>>pregnancy.
{Parg} Every time a woman is a mother, she KNOWS she is one. The "investment"
of nine mos. in her own child is much better than a flawed one of 18 years.
<G>
>>
>>{Parg} Johnny spermalseed is only a tool, hon. <G> Women can have a
>family>>quite without an individual man. Men cannot do the same. If women
don't
>want
>>the progeny of a Spermalseed, she can abort. That's the way it works.
>
>Your attitude toward men shows that you do not place them on an equal
>footing.
{Parg} Nature didn't trust you with the ability to gestate. It's not my
"footing" that bothers you. <G>
Granted there are differences. Live with them.
{Parg} "Live with them?" I celebrate them.
>
>The way it really works is that women do require a man to supply the
>sperm. Children benifit having a father help raise them.
{Parg} The way it works presently is that women can have children without any
particular man in the picture, and sperm is like water. AS to children's
benefit, they only benefit when the father is a good father. Women can bring
good fathers into the picture if possible and they can let the others fall
between the cracks.
>
>And to our subject: A growing trend - Women in the Mens movement; I
>have no problem with that.
{Parg} Signing the name of chattel on the roster only a drone makes. I'm not
worried about drones.
Men support women and women support men.>Sounds good to me.
>
{Parg} Me too. Men who are feminists or support feminists are often married
to them as well. I guess the difference is that women have no need to sign on
some sort of list. They know the men who love them are there for them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
JHS
>>Subject: Re: A growing trend - Women in the Mens movement
>>From: JHS pops...@pobox.com
>>On 23 Jul 2002 14:45:03 GMT, parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>{Parg} Why do you suppose a woman would be "jealous" of a person having an
>>>overlysensitive organ on the outside of their bodies, exposed to danger
>>from>>>anything from a branch to a knife?
>>
>>Speaking of overly sensitive organs on the outside of their bodies,
>>how about women's breasts. They are far more subject to disease and
>>damage than men's genitals.
>
>{Parg} In what way?
Men's genitals are not subject to cancer to the degree that women's
breast are.
>> And they are far less useful or used in
>>continuing the human race. They are used more for breast envy among
>>women and to attract men, than to sustain the race.
>>
>{Parg} I'm not sure where you think you're going with this, but women's
>breasts are more utililitarian then men's breasts and women's genitals and
>men's genitals serve the same purpose. Are you more into comparisons between
>apples and oranges and is that kind of flawed comparison the only way you can
>try to make a point?
You brought up the subject of "overly sensitive organ on the outside
of their bodies". I compared that to women's breast(s) which are
also "overly sensitive organ(s) on the outside of their bodies". That
they are different as apples and oranges does not flaw the comparison.
You just have a tizzy and get overly defective when a man points out
that women also have problems and are not perfect.
>>Women are obviously envious of men in several ways. They envy men's
>>ability to earn more money.
>
>{Parg} If women "envy" anything about men at all it is their privileges they
>get in the way of discrimination against women.
Right, and they should envy these male privileges. That envy provides
motivation to better themselves. I have no problem with that.
> Women place no value on the
>penis as something they long for as part of thier own bodies.
No body asked that they do place a value. You certainly value the
penis as a subject here. It just shows where your mind is. Between
some guy's legs. You seem to have a penis envy problem. <G>
>>They envy men not having to take time off for child bearing.
>
>{Parg} Women are the only sex who can have children. Any time they choose to
>not share with men, they need not. So, I don't think you're correct in your
>flawed assumption.
Your conclusion is flawed as I didn't assume any such thing.
>> Many envy men's height, so they wear high
>>heels and big hairdos. Many envy men's broader shoulders, so they
>>wear shoulder pads. Etc. etc...... The list goes on. Men and
>>women are physically different. I can live with it. Can you?
>
>{Parg} Women can do everything men can do PLUS gestate. I'm very comfortable
>with that. <G>
I haven't seen a women internally produce her own sperm and ejaculate
it. <G>
>>Your attitude toward men shows that you do not place them on an equal
>>footing.
>
>{Parg} Nature didn't trust you with the ability to gestate. It's not my
>"footing" that bothers you. <G>
It was never a question of trust. It is how life is. Get over it.
>> Granted there are differences. Live with them.
>
>{Parg} "Live with them?" I celebrate them.
Good. Then quite putting down male differences every chance you get.
I don't see you doing the same to female differences. Your prejudice
is always showing.
>>The way it really works is that women do require a man to supply the
>>sperm. Children benifit having a father help raise them.
>
>{Parg} The way it works presently is that women can have children without any
>particular man in the picture, and sperm is like water. AS to children's
>benefit, they only benefit when the father is a good father. Women can bring
>good fathers into the picture if possible and they can let the others fall
>between the cracks.
Unfortunately for children a similar weeding procedure does not
effectively cull out bad mothers. It is the children who suffer when
good fathers are so easily prevented from caring for their children
and bad mothers are allowed. Children should have rights to both
parents. But the feminist movement doesn't want children to have any
rights unless it served women and can be controlled by women.
>>And to our subject: A growing trend - Women in the Mens movement; I
>>have no problem with that.
>
>{Parg} Signing the name of chattel on the roster only a drone makes. I'm not
>worried about drones.
Drones may be male or female. Women have often signed away the lives
of their children, thus treated them as chattel. The material girls
of the feminist movement have children as chattel.
> Men support women and women support men. Sounds good to me.
>>
>{Parg} Me too. Men who are feminists or support feminists are often married
>to them as well. I guess the difference is that women have no need to sign on
>some sort of list. They know the men who love them are there for them.
And women who are masculinists are also often married to them as well.
Both sexes have equal list signing rights.
Gigantic A-Hole
Your viewpoint is a reasonable one, JHS, and your last two sentences
are an ideal viewpoint of the world, not of the world as it really is.
In real life, women really don't support men.
Maybe there's a few women in the father's rights movement. I have a
jaundiced view on that; they are just giggling to themselves and
trying to tie an apron around "dad" by cynically supporting his
custody rights.
But where are the women opposing pro-female affirmative action? Where
are the women opposing male-bashing in TV, movies and advertising?
Where are the women saying, "My husband, father, son, brother isn't
like that and I don't appreciate your ugly stereotyping of him"?
Where are the soccer moms telling the politicians that they did not
mean for Title IX to increase their daughter's opportunties to play
sports at the expense of their sons?
Those women don't exist. The vast majority of women think that life
is just peachy in a man-hating culture; actually, the vast majority of
women think that society still isn't misandric enough and would still
say solemnly if asked, "We still have a long way to go."
wd
"Gigantic A-Hole" <G...@pecbell.com> wrote in message
news:5d0bf2be.02081...@posting.google.com...
I have never liked a radical approach to issues. But i am going to
have to side with you on this post.
Exactly where are the soccer moms when unlevel legislation is voted on.
And indeed "Where are the women saying, "My husband, father, son, brother
isn't
like that and I don't appreciate your ugly stereotyping of him"?"
If women want whats fair today, why do they only side with issues that they
consider fair to
women only.
Indeed they can say: "We still have a long way to go." they just need to
change the direction.
~wd
Parg2000
>Message-id: <qo2dlugmih87eg3ch...@4ax.com>
>
>On 11 Aug 2002 05:42:40 GMT, parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote:
>
>>>Subject: Re: A growing trend - Women in the Mens movement
>>>From: JHS pops...@pobox.com
>>>On 23 Jul 2002 14:45:03 GMT, parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>{Parg} Why do you suppose a woman would be "jealous" of a person having
>an>>>>overlysensitive organ on the outside of their bodies, exposed to
danger>>>from>>>anything from a branch to a knife?
>>>
>>>Speaking of overly sensitive organs on the outside of their bodies,
>>>how about women's breasts. They are far more subject to disease and
>>>damage than men's genitals.
>>
>>{Parg} In what way?
>
>Men's genitals are not subject to cancer to the degree that women's
>breast are.
{Parg} What about all that prostate cancer stuff. Are you trying to tell us
that the prostate isn't related to the genitals? <G>
>
>>> And they are far less useful or used in
>>>continuing the human race. They are used more for breast envy among
>>>women and to attract men, than to sustain the race.
>>>
>>{Parg} I'm not sure where you think you're going with this, but women's
>>breasts are more utililitarian then men's breasts and women's genitals
and>>men's genitals serve the same purpose. Are you more into comparisons
>between
>>apples and oranges and is that kind of flawed comparison the only way you
>can
>>try to make a point?
>
>You brought up the subject of "overly sensitive organ on the outside
>of their bodies".
{Parg} I brought up the comparison between the female genitals, neatly tucked
where they are less exposed to harm, and male genitals, and then you try making
the losing argument about the female breast being useless. I'm laughing at
you, dear.
I compared that to women's breast(s) which are>also "overly sensitive
organ(s) on the outside of their bodies".
{Parg} Are you suggesting that women's breasts are exposed to more danger
than the penis? You might want to rethink that position, especially in times
of war.
<G>
That>they are different as apples and oranges does not flaw the comparison.
{Parg} Sure it does. All you can do is make fruit salad, hon. You are an
idiot.
>You just have a tizzy and get overly defective when a man points out
>that women also have problems and are not perfect.
{Parg} Where did I EVER say that women were "perfect"? In fact, I have spent
a great deal of time telling you bitter boys that women need not even be better
than you in order to deserve equal rigths.
>
>>>Women are obviously envious of men in several ways. They envy men's
>>>ability to earn more money.
>>
>>{Parg} If women "envy" anything about men at all it is their privileges>they
>>get in the way of discrimination against women.
>
>Right, and they should envy these male privileges. That envy provides
>motivation to better themselves. I have no problem with that.
>
{Parg} Women aren't willing to "envy" male discriminiation agianst them; they
are putting your bitter boys in pergatory over it. <G>
>> Women place no value on the
>>penis as something they long for as part of thier own bodies.
>
>No body asked that they do place a value.
{Parg} You did, hon. You think Freud was right, but today, educated people
laugh at Freud, the same way I am laughing at you.
You certainly value the>penis as a subject here.
{Parg} The penis isn't really the subject here, rather, the subject is women
in the men's movement, and this particular thread seems to be more about your
misinterpretation of what women value.
It just shows where your mind is. Between
>some guy's legs. You seem to have a penis envy problem. <G>
{Parg} That's just what bitter boys shout when they get 'testerical'. They
have no debate point, and I guess they just panic.
Perhaps we could classify this ailment as
Penile Panic PreDICament. <G>
>
>>>They envy men not having to take time off for child bearing.
>>
>>{Parg} Women are the only sex who can have children. Any time they choose
>to>>not share with men, they need not. So, I don't think you're correct
in>your
>>flawed assumption.
>
>Your conclusion is flawed as I didn't assume any such thing.
>
{Parg} Sure you did. You incorrectly assumed that the talent of child bearing
is a flaw; clearly it is not. Men are so jealous over women's ability in that
arena, they had to fake a male only godhead.
>>> Many envy men's height, so they wear high>>>heels and big hairdos. Many
envy men's broader shoulders, so they
>>>wear shoulder pads. Etc. etc...... The list goes on. Men and
>>>women are physically different. I can live with it. Can you?
>>
>>{Parg} Women can do everything men can do PLUS gestate. I'm very
>comfortable
>>with that. <G>
>
>I haven't seen a women internally produce her own sperm and ejaculate
>it. <G>
{Parg} There's really no market for that tho.
So what value does it really have?
>
>>>Your attitude toward men shows that you do not place them on an equal
>>>footing.
>>
>>{Parg} Nature didn't trust you with the ability to gestate. It's not my
>>"footing" that bothers you. <G>
>
>It was never a question of trust. It is how life is. Get over it.
{Parg} Get over _what_? I have my own family, and I've always know I was the
parent.
>
>>> Granted there are differences. Live with them.
>>
>>{Parg} "Live with them?" I celebrate them.
>
>Good. Then quite putting down male differences every chance you get.
>I don't see you doing the same to female differences. Your prejudice
>is always showing.
{Parg} What "prejudice"; you're the one who said women want what men have.
I'm just answering your thesis.
>
>>>The way it really works is that women do require a man to supply the
>>>sperm. Children benifit having a father help raise them.
>>
>>{Parg} The way it works presently is that women can have children without
>any>>particular man in the picture, and sperm is like water. AS to children's
>>benefit, they only benefit when the father is a good father. Women can
>bring>>good fathers into the picture if possible and they can let the others
fall
>>between the cracks.
>
>Unfortunately for children a similar weeding procedure does not>effectively
cull out bad mothers.
{Parg} I agree with that analysis. Of course, most mothers STAY.
It is the children who suffer when
>good fathers are so easily prevented from caring for their children>and bad
mothers are allowed. Children should have rights to both
>parents.
{Parg} No one can promise a child one parent, let alone two. People die,
abandon, and are, for many reasons, not always able to parent. You seem to be
living in some Alice-in-Wonderland alternate existence.
But the feminist movement doesn't want children to have any rights unless it
served women and can be controlled by women.
>
{Parg} Children can't have a "right" govt. cannot secure. The family will
continue to be defined by individuals and NOT by you and the patriarchal bitter
boys.
>>>And to our subject: A growing trend - Women in the Mens movement; I
>>>have no problem with that.
>>
>>{Parg} Signing the name of chattel on the roster only a drone makes.
I'm>not
>>worried about drones.
>
>Drones may be male or female. Women have often signed away the lives>of their
children, thus treated them as chattel. The material girls>of the feminist
movement have children as chattel.
{Parg} How is that? A friend of mine raised her daughter alone, and that girl
has just become a newspaper reporter. I'd call that progress.
>
>> Men support women and women support men. Sounds good to me.
>>>
>>{Parg} Me too. Men who are feminists or support feminists are often
>married
>>to them as well. I guess the difference is that women have no need to sign
>on>>some sort of list. They know the men who love them are there for them.
>
>And women who are masculinists are also often married to them as well.
>Both sexes have equal list signing rights.
>
{Parg} The Pussy-Keeper men sign FOR their wives. A free woman needs no man
to sign for her.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jill
Get a grip, Old Grrrl. You're foaming at the mouth. If you're not
careful, you'll ruin your 'sex' life.
Jill
John Jones
"Jill" <perspic...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gb0elugl3qqc1jkrq...@4ax.com...
> On 12 Aug 2002 00:14:18 GMT, parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote:
>
> Get a grip, Old Grrrl. You're foaming at the mouth. If you're
not
> careful, you'll ruin your 'sex' life.
LOL! All that clucking an not an egg to show for it.
>
> Jill
>
[...]
Gigantic A-Hole
Learn.
> But i am going to
> have to side with you on this post.
Some of the above is JHS's anyway.
> Exactly where are the soccer moms when unlevel legislation is voted on.
Obviously, they are SUPPORTING the unlevel legislation, which is being
introduced in the first place with the soccer moms in mind.
> And indeed "Where are the women saying, "My husband, father, son, brother
> isn't
> like that and I don't appreciate your ugly stereotyping of him"?"
They are watching the movies and TV shows that feature that ugly
stereotyping; they are buying the products whose commercials feature
that ugly stereotyping.
Again, the "ugly stereotyping" of men is meant to appeal to the female
audience, and if it didn't draw a large female audience, it wouldn't
occur.
> If women want whats fair today, why do they only side with issues that they
> consider fair to
> women only.
The answer to that question is too obvious to even put into words.
Why do you THINK?
Have you ever slopped hogs? Do they object to the slop? Or do they
feed on it and roll in it?
> Indeed they can say: "We still have a long way to go." they just need to
> change the direction.
>
> ~wd
You mean "turn back the clock"?
Everyone knows that no matter how bad a course of action is; no matter
how unfair and how terrible the consequences, once a feminist reform
is instituted, it can never be eliminated or reversed.
The feminist status quo must be maintained at all costs because
nothing is worse than "TURNING BACK THE CLOCK."
Parg2000
>Your viewpoint is a reasonable one, JHS, and your last two sentences>are an
ideal viewpoint of the world, not of the world as it really is.
{Parg} Indeed. As the world "really is" is that women don't sign for
themselves when their husbands own them. Free and equal women can sign their
own names, and they do so on documents that make them more free and equal.
>
>In real life, women really don't support men.
{Parg} In real life, women are more like men than different. Some women
support men; others don't, just like it is with men.
>
>Maybe there's a few women in the father's rights movement. I have a
>jaundiced view on that; they are just giggling to themselves and
>trying to tie an apron around "dad" by cynically supporting his
>custody rights.
>
{Parg} Yup. <G>
>But where are the women opposing pro-female affirmative action?
{Parg} They're probably busy fighting the rampant and invideous discrimination
they find in the workplace, building a backfire to fight the big one.
Where>are the women opposing male-bashing in TV, movies and advertising?
{Parg} Laughing their asses off, remembering years and years of female hating
jokes at their expense, knowing that it's about time men lost their privilege.
>Where are the women saying, "My husband, father, son, brother isn't>like that
and I don't appreciate your ugly stereotyping of him"?
>
{Parg} Well, in my family, all the men ARE self proclaimed feminists and they
are certainly NOT like the men here. Of course, no one is stereotyping them,
because they ARE feminists.
>Where are the soccer moms telling the politicians that they did not>mean for
Title IX to increase their daughter's opportunties to play sports at the
expense of their sons?
>
{Parg} They are saying, "how equal is too equal"?
>Those women don't exist.
{Parg} Well, women have sense, and they understand that boys should not have
more money spent on their interests than girls have spent on theirs. How equal
is too equal?
The vast majority of women think that life
>is just peachy in a man-hating culture; actually, the vast majority of
>women think that society still isn't misandric enough and would still>say
solemnly if asked, "We still have a long way to go."
>
>{Parg} We do indeed, but it's not about hating men; it's about hating
patriarchy, or male only rule. Women are now participating on a more equal
level, but there is still a long way to go.
>
>
>
>
wd
"John Jones" <enuf...@nothanks.invalid> wrote in message
news:tAD59.34328$Qg.14...@twister.midsouth.rr.com...
Not even a scrambled one!
<G>
>
>
> >
> > Jill
> >
> [...]
>
>
>
Gigantic A-Hole
> <cut>
>
> >Your viewpoint is a reasonable one, JHS, and your last two sentences>are an
> ideal viewpoint of the world, not of the world as it really is.
>
> {Parg} Indeed. As the world "really is" is that women don't sign for
> themselves when their husbands own them. Free and equal women can sign their
> own names, and they do so on documents that make them more free and equal.
I have no idea what this means. I have no idea what you just said.
None. It probably doesn't mean anything at all. I think that you're
coming down with Alzheimer's, Puke.
> >In real life, women really don't support men.
>
> {Parg} In real life, women are more like men than different.
Really? You mean that men are also aging misandric crones who
fantasize about shooting men?
> Some women
> support men; others don't, just like it is with men.
In real life, women really don't support men.
> >Maybe there's a few women in the father's rights movement. I have a
> >jaundiced view on that; they are just giggling to themselves and
> >trying to tie an apron around "dad" by cynically supporting his
> >custody rights.
> >
> {Parg} Yup. <G>
Good. I'll display your confession to others.
> >But where are the women opposing pro-female affirmative action?
>
> {Parg} They're probably busy fighting the rampant and invideous discrimination
> they find in the workplace,
What keeps them busy is looking for some examples. You can't have a
feminist dictatorship if you can't find an anti-feminist scapegoat or
two.
> building a backfire to fight the big one.
>
>
> Where>are the women opposing male-bashing in TV, movies and advertising?
>
> {Parg} Laughing their asses off, remembering years and years of female hating
> jokes at their expense, knowing that it's about time men lost their privilege.
There were never any jokes at female expense. Never happened.
> >Where are the women saying, "My husband, father, son, brother isn't>like that
> and I don't appreciate your ugly stereotyping of him"?
> >
> {Parg} Well, in my family, all the men ARE self proclaimed feminists and they
> are certainly NOT like the men here.
But you said that you hated your father for being a sexist.
> Of course, no one is stereotyping them,
> because they ARE feminists.
So a man must become a feminist to avoid stereotyping.
Actually, that's not even true. Men are being stereotyped just for
being men.
Assimilating with the larger German culture didn't prevent Jews from
being subject to the Holocaust.
Becoming feminists doesn't save men from the generalized anti-male
sentiment that they help to promote.
> >Where are the soccer moms telling the politicians that they did not>mean for
> Title IX to increase their daughter's opportunties to play sports at the
> expense of their sons?
> >
> {Parg} They are saying, "how equal is too equal"?
Do they also have Alzheimers?
> >Those women don't exist.
>
> {Parg} Well, women have sense,
And dollars too. Usually coerced from the men who earned them.
> and they understand that boys should not have
> more money spent on their interests than girls have spent on theirs. How equal
> is too equal?
The girls should stick to Home Economics. You know, girl stuff.
> The vast majority of women think that life
> >is just peachy in a man-hating culture; actually, the vast majority of
> >women think that society still isn't misandric enough and would still>say
> solemnly if asked, "We still have a long way to go."
> >
> >{Parg} We do indeed, but it's not about hating men; it's about hating
> patriarchy, or male only rule. Women are now participating on a more equal
> level, but there is still a long way to go.
Translation: It's about hating men.
Parg2000
>
>> {Parg} Well, in my family, all the men ARE self proclaimed feminists
and>they
>> are certainly NOT like the men here.
>
>
>But you said that you hated your father for being a sexist.
{Parg} You have to understand what the meaning of "are" is. <G> Hint: my
father's dead. And, one cannot choose ones father but one can choose ones mate
and raise one's children to be feminists. <G>
<cut>
>> >Where are the soccer moms telling the politicians that they did not>mean
>for>> Title IX to increase their daughter's opportunties to play sports at the
>> expense of their sons?
>> >
>> {Parg} They are saying, "how equal is too equal"?
>
>
>Do they also have Alzheimers?
>
{Parg} No, can't you answer the question?
<G>
>
>> >Those women don't exist.
>>
>> {Parg} Well, women have sense,
>
>
>And dollars too. Usually coerced from the men who earned them.
>
{Parg} If you don't want to give money to women, choose to not do so. In the
meantime, tax dollars are spent on all of society. You do vote, dont' you?
>
>> and they understand that boys should not have
>> more money spent on their interests than girls have spent on theirs. How
>equal
>> is too equal?
>
>
>The girls should stick to Home Economics. You know, girl stuff.
{Parg} Scratch and sniff, hon. That's all you sexists have left.
>
>
>> The vast majority of women think that life
>> >is just peachy in a man-hating culture; actually, the vast majority of
>> >women think that society still isn't misandric enough and would still>say
>> solemnly if asked, "We still have a long way to go."
>> >
>> >{Parg} We do indeed, but it's not about hating men; it's about hating
>> patriarchy, or male only rule. Women are now participating on a more equal
>> level, but there is still a long way to go.
>
>
>Translation: It's about hating men.
{Parg} Hatred is not a practical emotion. Women get much more by working for
equality.
>
>
>
>
Gigantic A-Hole
> <cut to the chase>
> >
> >> {Parg} Well, in my family, all the men ARE self proclaimed feminists
> and>they
> >> are certainly NOT like the men here.
> >
> >
> >But you said that you hated your father for being a sexist.
>
> {Parg} You have to understand what the meaning of "are" is. <G> Hint: my
> father's dead.
Yeah, but I thought that he might still be with you in a sense.
He left enough cum in your twat.
> And, one cannot choose ones father but one can choose ones mate
Yeah, the Skipper chose Gilligan. Your skipper made an even worse
choice.
And what's with this "mate" crap? You used to boast that you were
living in sin.
Another example of how nothing that you've said can be trusted. Well,
which is it, this month? Is this "mate" a woman or a vibrator?
> and raise one's children to be feminists. <G>
Yes, like Herman Goerring's declaration to the effect of "we place a
flag in a child's hand and we have him for life".
> <cut>
>
> >> >Where are the soccer moms telling the politicians that they did not>mean
> for>> Title IX to increase their daughter's opportunties to play sports at the
> expense of their sons?
> >> >
> >> {Parg} They are saying, "how equal is too equal"?
> >
> >
> >Do they also have Alzheimers?
> >
> {Parg} No, can't you answer the question?
> <G>
There was no question from you. Just a declaration about what others
were "saying". A non sequitur, to boot.
> >> >Those women don't exist.
> >>
> >> {Parg} Well, women have sense,
> >
> >
> >And dollars too. Usually coerced from the men who earned them.
> >
> {Parg} If you don't want to give money to women, choose to not do so. In the
> meantime, tax dollars are spent on all of society. You do vote, dont' you?
Actually, I don't anymore.
"Feminist Party A vs Feminist Party B" is no choice at all.
> >> and they understand that boys should not have
> >> more money spent on their interests than girls have spent on theirs. How
> equal
> >> is too equal?
> >
> >
> >The girls should stick to Home Economics. You know, girl stuff.
>
> {Parg} Scratch and sniff, hon. That's all you sexists have left.
You should have paid more attention in Home Economics, Puke.
You might have learned how to catch and hold a man without even
needing to shoot him down.
> >> The vast majority of women think that life
> >> >is just peachy in a man-hating culture; actually, the vast majority of
> >> >women think that society still isn't misandric enough and would still>say
> solemnly if asked, "We still have a long way to go."
> >> >
> >> >{Parg} We do indeed, but it's not about hating men; it's about hating
> >> patriarchy, or male only rule. Women are now participating on a more equal
> >> level, but there is still a long way to go.
> >
> >
> >Translation: It's about hating men.
>
> {Parg} Hatred is not a practical emotion.
Considerations of praticality never stopped you or any other woman.
> Women get much more by working for
> equality.
So does a jewel thief. See my above discussion on "coercion".
Ted Drake
> > <cut to the chase>
> > >
> > >> {Parg} Well, in my family, all the men ARE self proclaimed feminists
> > and>they
> > >> are certainly NOT like the men here.
> > >
> > >
> > >But you said that you hated your father for being a sexist.
> >
> > {Parg} You have to understand what the meaning of "are" is. <G> Hint: my
> > father's dead.
>
> Yeah, but I thought that he might still be with you in a sense.
>
> He left enough cum in your twat.
And her throat. And many and varied other places.
> > And, one cannot choose ones father but one can choose ones mate
>
> Yeah, the Skipper chose Gilligan. Your skipper made an even worse
> choice.
>
> And what's with this "mate" crap? You used to boast that you were
> living in sin.
According to dictionary.com a mate is:
Either of a pair of animals brought together for breeding.
Dykes don't mate. She means "life partner".
> Another example of how nothing that you've said can be trusted. Well,
> which is it, this month? Is this "mate" a woman or a vibrator?
>
> > and raise one's children to be feminists. <G>
>
> Yes, like Herman Goerring's declaration to the effect of "we place a
> flag in a child's hand and we have him for life".
Why are the genocidal maniacs always the most quotable?
> > <cut>
> >
> > >> >Where are the soccer moms telling the politicians that they did not>mean
> > for>> Title IX to increase their daughter's opportunties to play sports at the
> > expense of their sons?
> > >> >
> > >> {Parg} They are saying, "how equal is too equal"?
> > >
> > >
> > >Do they also have Alzheimers?
> > >
> > {Parg} No, can't you answer the question?
> > <G>
>
> There was no question from you. Just a declaration about what others
> were "saying". A non sequitur, to boot.
>
> > >> >Those women don't exist.
> > >>
> > >> {Parg} Well, women have sense,
> > >
> > >
> > >And dollars too. Usually coerced from the men who earned them.
> >
> > {Parg} If you don't want to give money to women, choose to not do so. In the
> > meantime, tax dollars are spent on all of society. You do vote, dont' you?
>
> Actually, I don't anymore.
>
> "Feminist Party A vs Feminist Party B" is no choice at all.
No, but it gives the illusion of being able to shape your own destiny.
> > >> and they understand that boys should not have
> > >> more money spent on their interests than girls have spent on theirs. How
> > equal
> > >> is too equal?
> > >
> > >
> > >The girls should stick to Home Economics. You know, girl stuff.
> >
> > {Parg} Scratch and sniff, hon. That's all you sexists have left.
>
> You should have paid more attention in Home Economics, Puke.
>
> You might have learned how to catch and hold a man without even
> needing to shoot him down.
That would take more than a few lessons.
> > >> The vast majority of women think that life
> > >> >is just peachy in a man-hating culture; actually, the vast majority of
> > >> >women think that society still isn't misandric enough and would still>say
> > solemnly if asked, "We still have a long way to go."
> > >> >
> > >> >{Parg} We do indeed, but it's not about hating men; it's about hating
> > >> patriarchy, or male only rule. Women are now participating on a more equal
> > >> level, but there is still a long way to go.
> > >
> > >
> > >Translation: It's about hating men.
> >
> > {Parg} Hatred is not a practical emotion.
>
> Considerations of praticality never stopped you or any other woman.
Hatred is as practical as any other emotion.
> > Women get much more by working for
> > equality.
>
> So does a jewel thief. See my above discussion on "coercion".
--
Dimac... the deadliest form of martial arts known to mankind... whose
brutal tearing, rending, maiming and mutilating techniques have for
many years been known only to the High Lamas of Tibet... Count Dante
had scorned his sacred vow of silence, taken in the lofty halls of
the Potala, never to reveal the secret science and had bought his
knowledge and skill back to the West where these maiming, disfiguring
and crippling techniques could be made available to the simple
layman.
-- Robert Rankin, "The Antipope"
Gigantic A-Hole
> In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote in message news:<20020814094143...@mb-fe.news.cs.com>...
> > > <cut to the chase>
> > > >
> > > >> {Parg} Well, in my family, all the men ARE self proclaimed feminists
> and>they
> > > >> are certainly NOT like the men here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >But you said that you hated your father for being a sexist.
> > >
> > > {Parg} You have to understand what the meaning of "are" is. <G> Hint: my
> > > father's dead.
> >
> > Yeah, but I thought that he might still be with you in a sense.
> >
> > He left enough cum in your twat.
>
> And her throat. And many and varied other places.
That might explain her hatred of men. No one else could satisfy her
like dad.
> > > And, one cannot choose ones father but one can choose ones mate
> >
> > Yeah, the Skipper chose Gilligan. Your skipper made an even worse
> > choice.
> >
> > And what's with this "mate" crap? You used to boast that you were
> > living in sin.
>
> According to dictionary.com a mate is:
>
> Either of a pair of animals brought together for breeding.
>
> Dykes don't mate. She means "life partner".
Manitoba, Africa is lovely this time of year.
Perfect place for two life partners to have a second honeymoon.
> > Another example of how nothing that you've said can be trusted. Well,
> > which is it, this month? Is this "mate" a woman or a vibrator?
> >
> > > and raise one's children to be feminists. <G>
> >
> > Yes, like Herman Goerring's declaration to the effect of "we place a
> > flag in a child's hand and we have him for life".
>
> Why are the genocidal maniacs always the most quotable?
They are also the best demagogues, I suppose.
> > > <cut>
> > >
> > > >> >Where are the soccer moms telling the politicians that they did not>mean
> > > for>> Title IX to increase their daughter's opportunties to play sports at the
> > > expense of their sons?
> > > >> >
> > > >> {Parg} They are saying, "how equal is too equal"?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Do they also have Alzheimers?
> > > >
> > > {Parg} No, can't you answer the question?
> > > <G>
> >
> > There was no question from you. Just a declaration about what others
> > were "saying". A non sequitur, to boot.
> >
> > > >> >Those women don't exist.
> > > >>
> > > >> {Parg} Well, women have sense,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >And dollars too. Usually coerced from the men who earned them.
> > >
> > > {Parg} If you don't want to give money to women, choose to not do so. In the
> > > meantime, tax dollars are spent on all of society. You do vote, dont' you?
> >
> > Actually, I don't anymore.
> >
> > "Feminist Party A vs Feminist Party B" is no choice at all.
>
> No, but it gives the illusion of being able to shape your own destiny.
It's what they want you to think - that you have a choice about
shaping your own destiny.
Didn't you say that you were voting Tory in the next election?
I know; I know; Tony Blair's so horrible that you have to do
SOMETHING.
> > > >> and they understand that boys should not have
> > > >> more money spent on their interests than girls have spent on theirs. How
> equal
> > > >> is too equal?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >The girls should stick to Home Economics. You know, girl stuff.
> > >
> > > {Parg} Scratch and sniff, hon. That's all you sexists have left.
> >
> > You should have paid more attention in Home Economics, Puke.
> >
> > You might have learned how to catch and hold a man without even
> > needing to shoot him down.
>
> That would take more than a few lessons.
Who would eat served by Puke anyway, without making her taste it
first?
> > > >> The vast majority of women think that life
> > > >> >is just peachy in a man-hating culture; actually, the vast majority of
> > > >> >women think that society still isn't misandric enough and would still>say
> solemnly if asked, "We still have a long way to go."
> > > >> >
> > > >> >{Parg} We do indeed, but it's not about hating men; it's about hating
> > > >> patriarchy, or male only rule. Women are now participating on a more equal
> > > >> level, but there is still a long way to go.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Translation: It's about hating men.
> > >
> > > {Parg} Hatred is not a practical emotion.
> >
> > Considerations of praticality never stopped you or any other woman.
>
> Hatred is as practical as any other emotion.
Well, she claims to be above it.
Ted Drake
> ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnalkond....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote in message news:<20020814094143...@mb-fe.news.cs.com>...
> > > > <cut to the chase>
> > > > >
> > > > >> {Parg} Well, in my family, all the men ARE self proclaimed feminists
> > and>they
> > > > >> are certainly NOT like the men here.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >But you said that you hated your father for being a sexist.
> > > >
> > > > {Parg} You have to understand what the meaning of "are" is. <G> Hint: my
> > > > father's dead.
> > >
> > > Yeah, but I thought that he might still be with you in a sense.
> > >
> > > He left enough cum in your twat.
> >
> > And her throat. And many and varied other places.
>
> That might explain her hatred of men. No one else could satisfy her
> like dad.
Sick, man, sick.
> > > > And, one cannot choose ones father but one can choose ones mate
> > >
> > > Yeah, the Skipper chose Gilligan. Your skipper made an even worse
> > > choice.
> > >
> > > And what's with this "mate" crap? You used to boast that you were
> > > living in sin.
> >
> > According to dictionary.com a mate is:
> >
> > Either of a pair of animals brought together for breeding.
> >
> > Dykes don't mate. She means "life partner".
>
> Manitoba, Africa is lovely this time of year.
>
> Perfect place for two life partners to have a second honeymoon.
Yes.
> > > Another example of how nothing that you've said can be trusted. Well,
> > > which is it, this month? Is this "mate" a woman or a vibrator?
> > >
> > > > and raise one's children to be feminists. <G>
> > >
> > > Yes, like Herman Goerring's declaration to the effect of "we place a
> > > flag in a child's hand and we have him for life".
> >
> > Why are the genocidal maniacs always the most quotable?
>
> They are also the best demagogues, I suppose.
I love a bit of demagoguery.
> > > > <cut>
> > > >
> > > > >> >Where are the soccer moms telling the politicians that they did not>mean
> > > > for>> Title IX to increase their daughter's opportunties to play sports at the
> > > > expense of their sons?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> {Parg} They are saying, "how equal is too equal"?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Do they also have Alzheimers?
> > > > >
> > > > {Parg} No, can't you answer the question?
> > > > <G>
> > >
> > > There was no question from you. Just a declaration about what others
> > > were "saying". A non sequitur, to boot.
> > >
> > > > >> >Those women don't exist.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> {Parg} Well, women have sense,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >And dollars too. Usually coerced from the men who earned them.
> > > >
> > > > {Parg} If you don't want to give money to women, choose to not do so. In the
> > > > meantime, tax dollars are spent on all of society. You do vote, dont' you?
> > >
> > > Actually, I don't anymore.
> > >
> > > "Feminist Party A vs Feminist Party B" is no choice at all.
> >
> > No, but it gives the illusion of being able to shape your own destiny.
>
> It's what they want you to think - that you have a choice about
> shaping your own destiny.
Yes.
> Didn't you say that you were voting Tory in the next election?
They're going to let us vote for "none of the above", I'll vote for
them.
> I know; I know; Tony Blair's so horrible that you have to do
> SOMETHING.
Assassination could be a better option.
> > > > >> and they understand that boys should not have
> > > > >> more money spent on their interests than girls have spent on theirs. How
> > equal
> > > > >> is too equal?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >The girls should stick to Home Economics. You know, girl stuff.
> > > >
> > > > {Parg} Scratch and sniff, hon. That's all you sexists have left.
> > >
> > > You should have paid more attention in Home Economics, Puke.
> > >
> > > You might have learned how to catch and hold a man without even
> > > needing to shoot him down.
> >
> > That would take more than a few lessons.
>
> Who would eat served by Puke anyway, without making her taste it
> first?
She might be willing to die to kill you, don't think making her taste it
makes you safe.
> > > > >> The vast majority of women think that life
> > > > >> >is just peachy in a man-hating culture; actually, the vast majority of
> > > > >> >women think that society still isn't misandric enough and would still>say
> > solemnly if asked, "We still have a long way to go."
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >{Parg} We do indeed, but it's not about hating men; it's about hating
> > > > >> patriarchy, or male only rule. Women are now participating on a more equal
> > > > >> level, but there is still a long way to go.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Translation: It's about hating men.
> > > >
> > > > {Parg} Hatred is not a practical emotion.
> > >
> > > Considerations of praticality never stopped you or any other woman.
> >
> > Hatred is as practical as any other emotion.
>
> Well, she claims to be above it.
She's lying.
Gigantic A-Hole
> In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnalkond....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > > In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > > parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote in message news:<20020814094143...@mb-fe.news.cs.com>...
> > > > > <cut to the chase>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> {Parg} Well, in my family, all the men ARE self proclaimed feminists
> and>they
> > > > > >> are certainly NOT like the men here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >But you said that you hated your father for being a sexist.
> > > > >
> > > > > {Parg} You have to understand what the meaning of "are" is. <G> Hint: my
> > > > > father's dead.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, but I thought that he might still be with you in a sense.
> > > >
> > > > He left enough cum in your twat.
> > >
> > > And her throat. And many and varied other places.
> >
> > That might explain her hatred of men. No one else could satisfy her
> > like dad.
>
> Sick, man, sick.
Well, I'm lowering myself to the topic of conversation.
> > > > > And, one cannot choose ones father but one can choose ones mate
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, the Skipper chose Gilligan. Your skipper made an even worse
> > > > choice.
> > > >
> > > > And what's with this "mate" crap? You used to boast that you were
> > > > living in sin.
> > >
> > > According to dictionary.com a mate is:
> > >
> > > Either of a pair of animals brought together for breeding.
> > >
> > > Dykes don't mate. She means "life partner".
> >
> > Manitoba, Africa is lovely this time of year.
> >
> > Perfect place for two life partners to have a second honeymoon.
>
> Yes.
>
> > > > Another example of how nothing that you've said can be trusted. Well,
> > > > which is it, this month? Is this "mate" a woman or a vibrator?
> > > >
> > > > > and raise one's children to be feminists. <G>
> > > >
> > > > Yes, like Herman Goerring's declaration to the effect of "we place a
> > > > flag in a child's hand and we have him for life".
> > >
> > > Why are the genocidal maniacs always the most quotable?
> >
> > They are also the best demagogues, I suppose.
>
> I love a bit of demagoguery.
It's only demagoguery if it's being done to you.
If you're doing it to someone else, it's advocacy.
> > > > > <cut>
> > > > >
> > > > > >> >Where are the soccer moms telling the politicians that they did not>mean
> > > > > for>> Title IX to increase their daughter's opportunties to play sports at the
> > > > > expense of their sons?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> {Parg} They are saying, "how equal is too equal"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Do they also have Alzheimers?
> > > > > >
> > > > > {Parg} No, can't you answer the question?
> > > > > <G>
> > > >
> > > > There was no question from you. Just a declaration about what others
> > > > were "saying". A non sequitur, to boot.
> > > >
> > > > > >> >Those women don't exist.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> {Parg} Well, women have sense,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >And dollars too. Usually coerced from the men who earned them.
> > > > >
> > > > > {Parg} If you don't want to give money to women, choose to not do so. In the
> > > > > meantime, tax dollars are spent on all of society. You do vote, dont' you?
> > > >
> > > > Actually, I don't anymore.
> > > >
> > > > "Feminist Party A vs Feminist Party B" is no choice at all.
> > >
> > > No, but it gives the illusion of being able to shape your own destiny.
> >
> > It's what they want you to think - that you have a choice about
> > shaping your own destiny.
>
> Yes.
>
> > Didn't you say that you were voting Tory in the next election?
>
> They're going to let us vote for "none of the above", I'll vote for
> them.
Yes, I guess I would do that too if it ever became an option over
here.
> > I know; I know; Tony Blair's so horrible that you have to do
> > SOMETHING.
>
> Assassination could be a better option.
My god, myn.
You have no idea who is monitoring this board.
Aren't you worried now about a knock on your door in the middle of the
night?
Not that I am in a position to talk.
I've done some crazy things on the Internet myself, but usually while
under the influence of liquor.
Back in 1993 or so, when I was really shikkered up, I had just enough
brainpower and motor skills left to log on and not enough to control
myself.
I sent an email to the Clinton White House which read, "Die, spawn of
Satan!"
The next morning, I saw that the auto-responder had sent me an email
thanking me for my letter and promising me that it would receive the
utmost consideration - but I doubt that it did.
I'm lucky that I didn't get in trouble for that, but for all I know,
my name is in a file somewhere. I never would have done that while
sober.
And a little over a year ago (I think I was sober at the time, but I'm
not sure), I logged onto Gary Condit's web site. He's what's known as
a "Blue Dog" Democrat, and if you have a sound card and point the
mouse over the "Blue Dog", it barks for you.
I sent an email to him asking, "OK, Blue Dog. Where'd you bury the
bones?"
Well, it was an honest question. I really shouldn't get in any
trouble for that.
> > > > > >> and they understand that boys should not have
> > > > > >> more money spent on their interests than girls have spent on theirs. How
> equal
> > > > > >> is too equal?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >The girls should stick to Home Economics. You know, girl stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > > {Parg} Scratch and sniff, hon. That's all you sexists have left.
> > > >
> > > > You should have paid more attention in Home Economics, Puke.
> > > >
> > > > You might have learned how to catch and hold a man without even
> > > > needing to shoot him down.
> > >
> > > That would take more than a few lessons.
> >
> > Who would eat served by Puke anyway, without making her taste it
> > first?
>
> She might be willing to die to kill you, don't think making her taste it
> makes you safe.
I think that you're right.
Puke would spit out of her grave.
> > > > > >> The vast majority of women think that life
> > > > > >> >is just peachy in a man-hating culture; actually, the vast majority of
> > > > > >> >women think that society still isn't misandric enough and would still>say
> solemnly if asked, "We still have a long way to go."
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >{Parg} We do indeed, but it's not about hating men; it's about hating
> > > > > >> patriarchy, or male only rule. Women are now participating on a more equal
> > > > > >> level, but there is still a long way to go.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Translation: It's about hating men.
> > > > >
> > > > > {Parg} Hatred is not a practical emotion.
> > > >
> > > > Considerations of praticality never stopped you or any other woman.
> > >
> > > Hatred is as practical as any other emotion.
> >
> > Well, she claims to be above it.
>
> She's lying.
Do you really think that Puke would lie?
Don't you know how much the idea that Puke is a liar devastates my
faith in the human race in general, in women in particular, and in
Puke most of all?
Say it isn't so!
> > > > > Women get much more by working for
> > > > > equality.
> > > >
> > > > So does a jewel thief. See my above discussion on "coercion".
> --
> Dimac... the deadliest form of martial arts known to mankind... whose
> brutal tearing, rending, maiming and mutilating techniques have for
> many years been known only to the High Lamas of Tibet... Count Dante
> had scorned his sacred vow of silence, taken in the lofty halls of
> the Potala, never to reveal the secret science and had bought his
> knowledge and skill back to the West where these maiming, disfiguring
> and crippling techniques could be made available to the simple
> layman.
> -- Robert Rankin, "The Antipope"
Well, are you studying this deadly martial art?
Ted Drake
> ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnaln06e....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnalkond....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > > > In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > > > parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote in message news:<20020814094143...@mb-fe.news.cs.com>...
> > > > > > <cut to the chase>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> {Parg} Well, in my family, all the men ARE self proclaimed feminists
> > and>they
> > > > > > >> are certainly NOT like the men here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >But you said that you hated your father for being a sexist.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > {Parg} You have to understand what the meaning of "are" is. <G> Hint: my
> > > > > > father's dead.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, but I thought that he might still be with you in a sense.
> > > > >
> > > > > He left enough cum in your twat.
> > > >
> > > > And her throat. And many and varied other places.
> > >
> > > That might explain her hatred of men. No one else could satisfy her
> > > like dad.
> >
> > Sick, man, sick.
>
> Well, I'm lowering myself to the topic of conversation.
It's not that sick.
> > > > > > And, one cannot choose ones father but one can choose ones mate
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, the Skipper chose Gilligan. Your skipper made an even worse
> > > > > choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > And what's with this "mate" crap? You used to boast that you were
> > > > > living in sin.
> > > >
> > > > According to dictionary.com a mate is:
> > > >
> > > > Either of a pair of animals brought together for breeding.
> > > >
> > > > Dykes don't mate. She means "life partner".
> > >
> > > Manitoba, Africa is lovely this time of year.
> > >
> > > Perfect place for two life partners to have a second honeymoon.
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > > > > Another example of how nothing that you've said can be trusted. Well,
> > > > > which is it, this month? Is this "mate" a woman or a vibrator?
> > > > >
> > > > > > and raise one's children to be feminists. <G>
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, like Herman Goerring's declaration to the effect of "we place a
> > > > > flag in a child's hand and we have him for life".
> > > >
> > > > Why are the genocidal maniacs always the most quotable?
> > >
> > > They are also the best demagogues, I suppose.
> >
> > I love a bit of demagoguery.
>
> It's only demagoguery if it's being done to you.
>
> If you're doing it to someone else, it's advocacy.
To me it's always demagoguery, I like the word.
New Labour have some very strange ideas for increasing voter turnout.
Down to 56% at the last election.
> > > I know; I know; Tony Blair's so horrible that you have to do
> > > SOMETHING.
> >
> > Assassination could be a better option.
>
> My god, myn.
>
> You have no idea who is monitoring this board.
And I don't really care.
> Aren't you worried now about a knock on your door in the middle of the
> night?
Not really. The local police are always complaining about their own
inadequacy, I would escape. I sleep in the afternoon, the middle of the
night is the middle of the day to me. My biggest problems would be my
legs, which are knackered from too much running, and my arms and chest,
which have done too many push ups. My shoes are quiet, though, being
slippers, so it's easy to stay unnoticed in the pitch blackness of the
night.
> Not that I am in a position to talk.
>
> I've done some crazy things on the Internet myself, but usually while
> under the influence of liquor.
>
> Back in 1993 or so, when I was really shikkered up, I had just enough
> brainpower and motor skills left to log on and not enough to control
> myself.
>
> I sent an email to the Clinton White House which read, "Die, spawn of
> Satan!"
At least you were drunk.
> The next morning, I saw that the auto-responder had sent me an email
> thanking me for my letter and promising me that it would receive the
> utmost consideration - but I doubt that it did.
>
> I'm lucky that I didn't get in trouble for that, but for all I know,
> my name is in a file somewhere. I never would have done that while
> sober.
No?
> And a little over a year ago (I think I was sober at the time, but I'm
> not sure), I logged onto Gary Condit's web site. He's what's known as
> a "Blue Dog" Democrat, and if you have a sound card and point the
> mouse over the "Blue Dog", it barks for you.
What is a blue dog democrat?
> I sent an email to him asking, "OK, Blue Dog. Where'd you bury the
> bones?"
>
> Well, it was an honest question. I really shouldn't get in any
> trouble for that.
And you didn't. I freely admit to commiting actual crimes, including
trespassing, shoplifting, criminal damage, assault, loitering with
intend, theft and various others. I never got in trouble, except for a
verbal warning not to commit criminal damage again.
> > > > > > >> and they understand that boys should not have
> > > > > > >> more money spent on their interests than girls have spent on theirs. How
> > equal
> > > > > > >> is too equal?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >The girls should stick to Home Economics. You know, girl stuff.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > {Parg} Scratch and sniff, hon. That's all you sexists have left.
> > > > >
> > > > > You should have paid more attention in Home Economics, Puke.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might have learned how to catch and hold a man without even
> > > > > needing to shoot him down.
> > > >
> > > > That would take more than a few lessons.
> > >
> > > Who would eat served by Puke anyway, without making her taste it
> > > first?
> >
> > She might be willing to die to kill you, don't think making her taste it
> > makes you safe.
>
> I think that you're right.
>
> Puke would spit out of her grave.
I would spit onto her grave.
> > > > > > >> The vast majority of women think that life
> > > > > > >> >is just peachy in a man-hating culture; actually, the vast majority of
> > > > > > >> >women think that society still isn't misandric enough and would still>say
> > solemnly if asked, "We still have a long way to go."
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >{Parg} We do indeed, but it's not about hating men; it's about hating
> > > > > > >> patriarchy, or male only rule. Women are now participating on a more equal
> > > > > > >> level, but there is still a long way to go.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Translation: It's about hating men.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > {Parg} Hatred is not a practical emotion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Considerations of praticality never stopped you or any other woman.
> > > >
> > > > Hatred is as practical as any other emotion.
> > >
> > > Well, she claims to be above it.
> >
> > She's lying.
>
> Do you really think that Puke would lie?
>
> Don't you know how much the idea that Puke is a liar devastates my
> faith in the human race in general, in women in particular, and in
> Puke most of all?
>
> Say it isn't so!
One of your female American columnists accused British men of being
repressed homosexuals. I'm not fond of women. See here:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12118473&method=full&siteid=50143
The Times calls Gwyneth Paltrow a cunt:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-384813,00.html
> > > > > > Women get much more by working for
> > > > > > equality.
> > > > >
> > > > > So does a jewel thief. See my above discussion on "coercion".
> > --
> > Dimac... the deadliest form of martial arts known to mankind... whose
> > brutal tearing, rending, maiming and mutilating techniques have for
> > many years been known only to the High Lamas of Tibet... Count Dante
> > had scorned his sacred vow of silence, taken in the lofty halls of
> > the Potala, never to reveal the secret science and had bought his
> > knowledge and skill back to the West where these maiming, disfiguring
> > and crippling techniques could be made available to the simple
> > layman.
> > -- Robert Rankin, "The Antipope"
>
> Well, are you studying this deadly martial art?
Don't believe anything written by Robert Rankin. He writes far fetched
fiction. Here's a good sample: http://boomteam.livegigguide.com/hugo/index.asp
A guide to dimac: http://www.eatbug.com/homeschool/html/the_art_of_dimac.htm
Gigantic A-Hole
> In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnaln06e....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > > In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > > ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnalkond....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > > > > In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > > > > parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote in message news:<20020814094143...@mb-fe.news.cs.com>...
> > > > > > > <cut to the chase>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> {Parg} Well, in my family, all the men ARE self proclaimed feminists
> and>they
> > > > > > > >> are certainly NOT like the men here.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >But you said that you hated your father for being a sexist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > {Parg} You have to understand what the meaning of "are" is. <G> Hint: my
> > > > > > > father's dead.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, but I thought that he might still be with you in a sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He left enough cum in your twat.
> > > > >
> > > > > And her throat. And many and varied other places.
> > > >
> > > > That might explain her hatred of men. No one else could satisfy her
> > > > like dad.
> > >
> > > Sick, man, sick.
> >
> > Well, I'm lowering myself to the topic of conversation.
>
> It's not that sick.
Well, sure it is.
> > > > > > > And, one cannot choose ones father but one can choose ones mate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, the Skipper chose Gilligan. Your skipper made an even worse
> > > > > > choice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And what's with this "mate" crap? You used to boast that you were
> > > > > > living in sin.
> > > > >
> > > > > According to dictionary.com a mate is:
> > > > >
> > > > > Either of a pair of animals brought together for breeding.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dykes don't mate. She means "life partner".
> > > >
> > > > Manitoba, Africa is lovely this time of year.
> > > >
> > > > Perfect place for two life partners to have a second honeymoon.
> > >
> > > Yes.
> > >
> > > > > > Another example of how nothing that you've said can be trusted. Well,
> > > > > > which is it, this month? Is this "mate" a woman or a vibrator?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > and raise one's children to be feminists. <G>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, like Herman Goerring's declaration to the effect of "we place a
> > > > > > flag in a child's hand and we have him for life".
> > > > >
> > > > > Why are the genocidal maniacs always the most quotable?
> > > >
> > > > They are also the best demagogues, I suppose.
> > >
> > > I love a bit of demagoguery.
> >
> > It's only demagoguery if it's being done to you.
> >
> > If you're doing it to someone else, it's advocacy.
>
> To me it's always demagoguery, I like the word.
Like Hobbes the Tiger likes the word "smock".
Still somewhat higher than an average American election.
> > > > I know; I know; Tony Blair's so horrible that you have to do
> > > > SOMETHING.
> > >
> > > Assassination could be a better option.
> >
> > My god, myn.
> >
> > You have no idea who is monitoring this board.
>
> And I don't really care.
Well, are you planning on carrying out that "better option"?
> > Aren't you worried now about a knock on your door in the middle of the
> > night?
>
> Not really. The local police are always complaining about their own
> inadequacy, I would escape. I sleep in the afternoon, the middle of the
> night is the middle of the day to me. My biggest problems would be my
> legs, which are knackered from too much running, and my arms and chest,
> which have done too many push ups. My shoes are quiet, though, being
> slippers, so it's easy to stay unnoticed in the pitch blackness of the
> night.
Where would you go?
> > Not that I am in a position to talk.
> >
> > I've done some crazy things on the Internet myself, but usually while
> > under the influence of liquor.
> >
> > Back in 1993 or so, when I was really shikkered up, I had just enough
> > brainpower and motor skills left to log on and not enough to control
> > myself.
> >
> > I sent an email to the Clinton White House which read, "Die, spawn of
> > Satan!"
>
> At least you were drunk.
Yes.
> > The next morning, I saw that the auto-responder had sent me an email
> > thanking me for my letter and promising me that it would receive the
> > utmost consideration - but I doubt that it did.
> >
> > I'm lucky that I didn't get in trouble for that, but for all I know,
> > my name is in a file somewhere. I never would have done that while
> > sober.
>
> No?
No. I'm a wimp, remember?
> > And a little over a year ago (I think I was sober at the time, but I'm
> > not sure), I logged onto Gary Condit's web site. He's what's known as
> > a "Blue Dog" Democrat, and if you have a sound card and point the
> > mouse over the "Blue Dog", it barks for you.
>
> What is a blue dog democrat?
The Democrats are the liberal party; the Republicans are the
conservative party; a "Blue Dog" Democrat is someone who is
conservative considering the fact that he is a Democrat.
> > I sent an email to him asking, "OK, Blue Dog. Where'd you bury the
> > bones?"
> >
> > Well, it was an honest question. I really shouldn't get in any
> > trouble for that.
>
> And you didn't.
No. It was a legitimate question that many were asking really.
And now, of course, those bones have turned up and it actually was
some dogs who found them.
The dogs weren't blue, though.
> I freely admit to commiting actual crimes, including
> trespassing, shoplifting, criminal damage, assault, loitering with
> intend, theft and various others. I never got in trouble, except for a
> verbal warning not to commit criminal damage again.
My God. What a constabulary. Remind me not to move into your
neighborhood.
> > > > > > > >> and they understand that boys should not have
> > > > > > > >> more money spent on their interests than girls have spent on theirs. How
> equal
> > > > > > > >> is too equal?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >The girls should stick to Home Economics. You know, girl stuff.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > {Parg} Scratch and sniff, hon. That's all you sexists have left.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should have paid more attention in Home Economics, Puke.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You might have learned how to catch and hold a man without even
> > > > > > needing to shoot him down.
> > > > >
> > > > > That would take more than a few lessons.
> > > >
> > > > Who would eat served by Puke anyway, without making her taste it
> > > > first?
> > >
> > > She might be willing to die to kill you, don't think making her taste it
> > > makes you safe.
> >
> > I think that you're right.
> >
> > Puke would spit out of her grave.
>
> I would spit onto her grave.
And I would use a different bodily function for the purpose of
watering her grave.
> > > > > > > >> The vast majority of women think that life
> > > > > > > >> >is just peachy in a man-hating culture; actually, the vast majority of
> > > > > > > >> >women think that society still isn't misandric enough and would still>say
> solemnly if asked, "We still have a long way to go."
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >{Parg} We do indeed, but it's not about hating men; it's about hating
> > > > > > > >> patriarchy, or male only rule. Women are now participating on a more equal
> > > > > > > >> level, but there is still a long way to go.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Translation: It's about hating men.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > {Parg} Hatred is not a practical emotion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Considerations of praticality never stopped you or any other woman.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hatred is as practical as any other emotion.
> > > >
> > > > Well, she claims to be above it.
> > >
> > > She's lying.
> >
> > Do you really think that Puke would lie?
> >
> > Don't you know how much the idea that Puke is a liar devastates my
> > faith in the human race in general, in women in particular, and in
> > Puke most of all?
> >
> > Say it isn't so!
>
> One of your female American columnists accused British men of being
> repressed homosexuals. I'm not fond of women. See here:
> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12118473&method=full&siteid=50143
> The Times calls Gwyneth Paltrow a cunt:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-384813,00.html
<Sigh> OK, it's the Morgan-Drake two-step. The subject is being
changed without notice.
Well, the woman you are talking about is an actress, not a columnist.
Yecch. I'm not British, but I think that I could pass her up also.
Anyway, this story gives me an excuse to drag out that "buffalo"
analogy again.
Every time a Western woman asks, "Where are all of the men?", I always
think of some buffalo hunter from the Old West (that is, the American
West) - who's got buffalo skins covering his home and buffalo meat in
his locker - wondering where all of the buffalo have gone to.
> > > > > > > Women get much more by working for
> > > > > > > equality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So does a jewel thief. See my above discussion on "coercion".
> > > --
> > > Dimac... the deadliest form of martial arts known to mankind... whose
> > > brutal tearing, rending, maiming and mutilating techniques have for
> > > many years been known only to the High Lamas of Tibet... Count Dante
> > > had scorned his sacred vow of silence, taken in the lofty halls of
> > > the Potala, never to reveal the secret science and had bought his
> > > knowledge and skill back to the West where these maiming, disfiguring
> > > and crippling techniques could be made available to the simple
> > > layman.
> > > -- Robert Rankin, "The Antipope"
> >
> > Well, are you studying this deadly martial art?
>
> Don't believe anything written by Robert Rankin. He writes far fetched
> fiction. Here's a good sample: http://boomteam.livegigguide.com/hugo/index.asp
> A guide to dimac: http://www.eatbug.com/homeschool/html/the_art_of_dimac.htm
>
Translation: No, you are not studying this deadly martial art. You
are just interposing, at random, another non sequitur into the
conversation.
Ted Drake
> ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnalpqkh....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnaln06e....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > > > In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > > > ncav...@ntlworld.com (Ted Drake) wrote in message news:<slrnalkond....@wildcard.ntl.com>...
> > > > > > In soc.men, Gigantic A-Hole wrote:
> > > > > > > parg...@cs.com (Parg2000) wrote in message news:<20020814094143...@mb-fe.news.cs.com>...
> > > > > > > > <cut to the chase>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> {Parg} Well, in my family, all the men ARE self proclaimed feminists
> > and>they
> > > > > > > > >> are certainly NOT like the men here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >But you said that you hated your father for being a sexist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > {Parg} You have to understand what the meaning of "are" is. <G> Hint: my
> > > > > > > > father's dead.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, but I thought that he might still be with you in a sense.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > He left enough cum in your twat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And her throat. And many and varied other places.
> > > > >
> > > > > That might explain her hatred of men. No one else could satisfy her
> > > > > like dad.
> > > >
> > > > Sick, man, sick.
> > >
> > > Well, I'm lowering myself to the topic of conversation.
> >
> > It's not that sick.
>
> Well, sure it is.
I disagree.
> > > > > > > > And, one cannot choose ones father but one can choose ones mate
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, the Skipper chose Gilligan. Your skipper made an even worse
> > > > > > > choice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And what's with this "mate" crap? You used to boast that you were
> > > > > > > living in sin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > According to dictionary.com a mate is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Either of a pair of animals brought together for breeding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dykes don't mate. She means "life partner".
> > > > >
> > > > > Manitoba, Africa is lovely this time of year.
> > > > >
> > > > > Perfect place for two life partners to have a second honeymoon.
> > > >
> > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > > > > > Another example of how nothing that you've said can be trusted. Well,
> > > > > > > which is it, this month? Is this "mate" a woman or a vibrator?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and raise one's children to be feminists. <G>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, like Herman Goerring's declaration to the effect of "we place a
> > > > > > > flag in a child's hand and we have him for life".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why are the genocidal maniacs always the most quotable?
> > > > >
> > > > > They are also the best demagogues, I suppose.
> > > >
> > > > I love a bit of demagoguery.
> > >
> > > It's only demagoguery if it's being done to you.
> > >
> > > If you're doing it to someone else, it's advocacy.
> >
> > To me it's always demagoguery, I like the word.
>
> Like Hobbes the Tiger likes the word "smock".
I like the word "arse". It has a very satisfying quality about it.
Maybe, bloody awful here though.
Our government is a bird with two right wings...They're devoted to
the perpetuation and spread of corporate capitalism.
-- Lawrence Ferlinghetti
So why vote?
> > > > > I know; I know; Tony Blair's so horrible that you have to do
> > > > > SOMETHING.
> > > >
> > > > Assassination could be a better option.
> > >
> > > My god, myn.
> > >
> > > You have no idea who is monitoring this board.
> >
> > And I don't really care.
>
> Well, are you planning on carrying out that "better option"?
Of course not. I'm not allowed to kill people, I was merely commenting
on what I think is most practical.
> > > Aren't you worried now about a knock on your door in the middle of the
> > > night?
> >
> > Not really. The local police are always complaining about their own
> > inadequacy, I would escape. I sleep in the afternoon, the middle of the
> > night is the middle of the day to me. My biggest problems would be my
> > legs, which are knackered from too much running, and my arms and chest,
> > which have done too many push ups. My shoes are quiet, though, being
> > slippers, so it's easy to stay unnoticed in the pitch blackness of the
> > night.
>
> Where would you go?
With a smile on my face and a pair of brightly striped slippers I'd have
the world at my feet. Wales is nice, there maybe. Who knows? I'd do
alright. Or I'd freeze to death, it doesn't really matter. I approach
every day and every situation with a smile on my face. The prospect of a
slow and painful death holds for me no fear at all. And, having partaken
in long fasts in the past I am ready for hardship.
> > > Not that I am in a position to talk.
> > >
> > > I've done some crazy things on the Internet myself, but usually while
> > > under the influence of liquor.
> > >
> > > Back in 1993 or so, when I was really shikkered up, I had just enough
> > > brainpower and motor skills left to log on and not enough to control
> > > myself.
> > >
> > > I sent an email to the Clinton White House which read, "Die, spawn of
> > > Satan!"
> >
> > At least you were drunk.
>
> Yes.
At least *you* were drunk.
> > > The next morning, I saw that the auto-responder had sent me an email
> > > thanking me for my letter and promising me that it would receive the
> > > utmost consideration - but I doubt that it did.
> > >
> > > I'm lucky that I didn't get in trouble for that, but for all I know,
> > > my name is in a file somewhere. I never would have done that while
> > > sober.
> >
> > No?
>
> No. I'm a wimp, remember?
How could I forget?
> > > And a little over a year ago (I think I was sober at the time, but I'm
> > > not sure), I logged onto Gary Condit's web site. He's what's known as
> > > a "Blue Dog" Democrat, and if you have a sound card and point the
> > > mouse over the "Blue Dog", it barks for you.
> >
> > What is a blue dog democrat?
>
> The Democrats are the liberal party; the Republicans are the
> conservative party; a "Blue Dog" Democrat is someone who is
> conservative considering the fact that he is a Democrat.
They're all far right to me. Your "leftists" are further to the right
than our rightists.
> > > I sent an email to him asking, "OK, Blue Dog. Where'd you bury the
> > > bones?"
> > >
> > > Well, it was an honest question. I really shouldn't get in any
> > > trouble for that.
> >
> > And you didn't.
>
> No. It was a legitimate question that many were asking really.
>
> And now, of course, those bones have turned up and it actually was
> some dogs who found them.
>
> The dogs weren't blue, though.
Dogs don't often come in blue. Polar bears occasionally come in green,
though.
> > I freely admit to commiting actual crimes, including
> > trespassing, shoplifting, criminal damage, assault, loitering with
> > intent, theft and various others. I never got in trouble, except for a
> > verbal warning not to commit criminal damage again.
>
> My God.
The police did arrest someone I was shoplifting with, missed me though.
Luck of the devil.
> What a constabulary. Remind me not to move into your
> neighborhood.
Well, there's only about two or three dozen of them, to police a town of
thirty thousand. About a third of those are based with the police cars
and armed response vehicles twenty minutes away. The local advertiser,
just two weeks ago, ran a front page story about an interview with two
PCs claiming they "can't protect us". I am a law abiding citizen,
mostly, nowadays, so they have nothing to worry about from me. Nothing
serious, anyway.
This neighbourhood isn't that bad, apart from the armed robbers,
rapists, drug dealers, fraudsters, thieves and arsonists. Nice
architecture, though. Lots of cats.
> > > > > > > > >> and they understand that boys should not have
> > > > > > > > >> more money spent on their interests than girls have spent on theirs. How
> > equal
> > > > > > > > >> is too equal?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >The girls should stick to Home Economics. You know, girl stuff.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > {Parg} Scratch and sniff, hon. That's all you sexists have left.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You should have paid more attention in Home Economics, Puke.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You might have learned how to catch and hold a man without even
> > > > > > > needing to shoot him down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That would take more than a few lessons.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who would eat served by Puke anyway, without making her taste it
> > > > > first?
> > > >
> > > > She might be willing to die to kill you, don't think making her taste it
> > > > makes you safe.
> > >
> > > I think that you're right.
> > >
> > > Puke would spit out of her grave.
> >
> > I would spit onto her grave.
>
> And I would use a different bodily function for the purpose of
> watering her grave.
Equally effective in conveying disrespect.
I didn't change the subject. This is a reason my opinion of women
remains though.
> Well, the woman you are talking about is an actress, not a columnist.
The article in the Mirror, the first link above, mentions a columnist as
well as Paltrow.
> Yecch. I'm not British, but I think that I could pass her up also.
I don't see why she's meant to be so attractive. Good looking women are
two a penny, what's so special about her? Apart from the repellant
personality, of course.
> Anyway, this story gives me an excuse to drag out that "buffalo"
> analogy again.
>
> Every time a Western woman asks, "Where are all of the men?", I always
> think of some buffalo hunter from the Old West (that is, the American
> West) - who's got buffalo skins covering his home and buffalo meat in
> his locker - wondering where all of the buffalo have gone to.
Men are everywhere. If she wants one, why doesn't she do anything about
it? I suppose the lesbian sheep joke is true.
> > > > > > > > Women get much more by working for
> > > > > > > > equality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So does a jewel thief. See my above discussion on "coercion".
> > > > --
> > > > Dimac... the deadliest form of martial arts known to mankind... whose
> > > > brutal tearing, rending, maiming and mutilating techniques have for
> > > > many years been known only to the High Lamas of Tibet... Count Dante
> > > > had scorned his sacred vow of silence, taken in the lofty halls of
> > > > the Potala, never to reveal the secret science and had bought his
> > > > knowledge and skill back to the West where these maiming, disfiguring
> > > > and crippling techniques could be made available to the simple
> > > > layman.
> > > > -- Robert Rankin, "The Antipope"
> > >
> > > Well, are you studying this deadly martial art?
> >
> > Don't believe anything written by Robert Rankin. He writes far fetched
> > fiction. Here's a good sample: http://boomteam.livegigguide.com/hugo/index.asp
> > A guide to dimac: http://www.eatbug.com/homeschool/html/the_art_of_dimac.htm
>
> Translation: No, you are not studying this deadly martial art.
It doesn't exist.
> You
> are just interposing, at random, another non sequitur into the
> conversation.
It was my sig, it wasn't meant to be a part of the conversation.
--
Our government is a bird with two right wings...They're devoted to
the perpetuation and spread of corporate capitalism.
-- Lawrence Ferlinghetti
If we make peaceful revolution impossible, we make violent revolution
inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy