Male Genital Mutilation in UK
Will Goodfellow
Isn't it about time this barbaric act was outlawed?
There seems to be a strong contingent trying to prevent Female Genital
Mutilation, but yet again the male is left without a hat to wear.
Smacking is under consideration for banning, but removing body parts without
the childs' consent is considered legal? How bizarre.
What gives a doctor or parent the right to decide to remove part of a childs
intimate parts? Nothing as far as I can see.
Circumcision is an outdated barbaric act which does nothing but cause the
young boy distress, it should be outlawed as female genital mutilation is.
Sir Jessy of Anti
"Will Goodfellow" <temPoraril...@coldmail.moc> wrote in message
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Exactly. There is also strong evidence that cortical reorginization takes
place
when an infant is subjected to this trauma so early in its development.
A barbaric practice for which there is no excuse.
>
>
Bob
What the hell does "without the parents written consent" have to do with
violent sexual child abuse? Can any parent consent to any other kind
of violent sexual torture and mutilation of any other child?
They ought to throw this slimy bastard in the goal for the rest of his
life, and anyone else who hacks up a child. If the parents "consented"
they ought to be in goal too.
Bob
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Briar Rabbit
>
> Exactly. There is also strong evidence that cortical reorginization takes
> place
> when an infant is subjected to this trauma so early in its development.
>
>
And you are going to post this evidence or are you just going to hope
that the dull and ignorant believe it to be true without question?
Sir Jessy of Anti
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"Lesions and cortical reorganization: Researchers have demonstrated that if
an animal's digit is removed or de-afferentated, the somato - sensory area
that serves that digit is both structurally and functionally reorganized,
sometimes extensively (e.g., Doetsch, Johnston, & Hannan, 1990; Doetsch,
Standage, Johnston, & Lin, 1988; Kelahen & Doetsch, 1984; Kelahen, Ray,
Carson, Massey, & Doetsch, 1981; Welker & Seidenstein, 1959). The effects of
the digit removal are greater if the trauma occurs early in the organism's
development (cf. Florence et al., 1996; Garraghty & Kaas, 1991). The
reorganization of the cortex is generally not orderly. Cortical cells that
serve the areas adjacent to the removed/de-afferentated digit expand their
influence into the region of the cortex that would have served the affected
digit. The expansion seems stochastic rather than pre-ordered or patterned.
In addition, as was shown in monkeys, when the affected, damaged area or
areas adjacent to the damaged area are stimulated, the threshold for
activating the relevant cortical cells is often higher (Wall, Huerta, &
Kaas, 1992). Subcortical areas (e.g., the thalamus; Florence & Kaas, 1995;
Garraghty & Kaas, 1991) that project to the somato- sensory cortex are also
reorganized. Given that the thalamus is a primary sensory "switchboard" for
the brain, any reorganization at this subcortical level would be expected to
influence both cortical and subcortical functioning."
http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/immerman1/
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"When Aunt A intervened and pointed out he was only a baby, Dr Madhok
replied: "I don't need a lecture from you. I've been doing this for 52
years," she said".
This is an admission he is a serial circumcizer. Bring in a law that makes
this offence punishable by 3 years or more in jail - and make it
retrospective!
Briar Rabbit
I see you have been caught with your pants down.
That source is an anti-circumcision web site.
The paper like most so-called facts about the foreskin is highly
speculative.
As the authors state themselves:
"The key untested conclusion is that a circumcised man's brain is
reorganized and changed, compared with an uncircumcised man's brain."
So why may I ask do you try to pass *untested speculation* off a fact?
Bob
There are many psychosexual perverts in his profession who get their
sadistic jollies from hacking up little children's sex organs.
Bob
See Jessy, it doesn't matter how much proof you cite, those who want to
hurt children always find some excuse to deny that even the most heinous
sexual mutilation of children does any harm.
arealman
I see that you are unaware there can be medical reasons for this treatment.
An inability to P without pain.
Ascertain facts before posting.
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Jake Waskett
>> "The key untested conclusion is that a circumcised man's brain is
>> reorganized and changed, compared with an uncircumcised man's brain."
>> So why may I ask do you try to pass *untested speculation* off a fact?
>
>
> See Jessy, it doesn't matter how much proof you cite
That's the problem. If *proof* were actually offered, it would be a
different "kettle of fish". But untested speculation is in a totally
different league.
Sir Jessy of Anti
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The sources cited within the work give strong evidence that cortical
reorganization happens to mammals
subject to trauma in early development.
Why you think an infant human would be any less subject to trauma is
anyone's guess.
Why you back the practice of bloodthirsty savages is also anyone's guess.
>
Sir Jessy of Anti
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>
> I see that you are unaware there can be medical reasons for this
treatment.
> An inability to P without pain.
>
> Ascertain facts before posting.
Medical reasons are not 'routine infant circumcision' (err - mutilation).
Kenny Thomas
No, the source is the Journal of Genetic Psychology, Volume 159, Number 3:
Pages 367-378; September 1, 1998.
Looks like YOU were caught with your pants down.
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Jake Waskett
> No, the source is the Journal of Genetic Psychology, Volume 159, Number 3:
> Pages 367-378; September 1, 1998.
You've failed to address Rabbit's observation that the conclusion is
*speculative*, Kenny.
Fair For All
Due to this sexism against boys, I don't blame men/boys for hurting
girls.
In revenge for what boys go through, girls deserve to have their left
outer labia third-degree-burned by the yellow flame of an oxyacetlyene
torch.
Fuck girls. Fuck the chivalrous pedo-bastards who treat girl children
gentler than boy children.
Fair For All
> I see you have been caught with your pants down.
>
> That source is an anti-circumcision web site.
>
> The paper like most so-called facts about the foreskin is highly
> speculative.
>
> As the authors state themselves:
>
> "The key untested conclusion is that a circumcised man's brain is
> reorganized and changed, compared with an uncircumcised man's brain."
>
> So why may I ask do you try to pass *untested speculation* off a fact?
Stop trivializing the abuse of boys you unscientific stink. How about
I do FGM to your daughter and laugh about it? Being a beneficiary of
evil she sure deserves it.
Fair For All
> There are many psychosexual perverts in his profession who get their
> sadistic jollies from hacking up little children's sex organs.
True. Most of them are chivalrous pedo-scums [like john henry, jade,
spooge, catfuck, araztio, and hyerdahl] who gain cold-hearted sexual
pleasure, humor, and happiness from torturing boy children to show how
much they respect girl children.
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Misandrists are pedophiles
Bob
Revenge for sexual mutilation that is just and honorable for a hundred
million sexually mutilated American MEN would waste vast numbers of
violent child abusing females and other sadistic baby butchers.
Kenny Thomas
fault. There are better ways to deal with things than with violence.
Jake Waskett
>> Fuck girls. Fuck the chivalrous pedo-bastards who treat girl children
>> gentler than boy children.
>
> Revenge for sexual mutilation that is just and honorable for a hundred
> million sexually mutilated American MEN would waste vast numbers of
> violent child abusing females and other sadistic baby butchers.
With all sincerity, I am concerned about your psychological makeup. Have you
thought about therapy?
Bob
> That's not fair. Because boys are discriminated against isn't the girl's
> fault. There are better ways to deal with things than with violence.
>
It's the evil mothers' and the psychotic pervert "doctors'" fault.
Just revenge by a hundred million sexually mutilated American men would
be the honorable thing to do.
Briar Rabbit
>>>As the authors state themselves:
>>>"The key untested conclusion is that a circumcised man's brain is
>>>reorganized and changed, compared with an uncircumcised man's brain."
>>>So why may I ask do you try to pass *untested speculation* off a fact?
>>
>>
>>See Jessy, it doesn't matter how much proof you cite
>
>
> That's the problem. If *proof* were actually offered, it would be a
> different "kettle of fish". But untested speculation is in a totally
> different league.
>
Well they hang themselves with their own words.
The last paragraph is as follows and hardly an indication of anything
other than the highly speculative:
"Were such a hypothesis to be unsupported, then Huxley's definition of a
tragedy, "a beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact," would be
fulfilled. On the other hand, were such a hypothesis to be supported,
then the Gordian knot that interlinks human symboling, human behavior,
and human neurophysiology can be unraveled one notch."
They have no facts, just a collection of desperate speculation.
Briar Rabbit
>
>
> Revenge for sexual mutilation that is just and honorable for a hundred
> million sexually mutilated American MEN would waste vast numbers of
> violent child abusing females and other sadistic baby butchers.
>
> Bob
>
When did they let you out Bob?
Worse still do they know you are out?
Briar Rabbit
Give it a break. Even the authors acknowledge it is speculative. No
matter how desperately you and any other skin freaks wish it to be true
will not make it so.
But what it is indicates is your lunatic association that the loss of
the foreskin equates to the loss of a limb or digit. You probably need
to get some professional help on the couch. Find someone who will listen
to you, and be kind to you, and help straighten you out.
Kenny Thomas
What newsgroup are you participating in? This thread is cross posted between
alt.fan.scarecrow, soc.men, uk.politics.misc, and alt.circumcision.
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Sir Jessy of Anti
"Briar Rabbit" <Br...@Rabbit.net> wrote in message
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> Sir Jessy of Anti wrote:
>
> >
> > The sources cited within the work give strong evidence that cortical
> > reorganization happens to mammals
> > subject to trauma in early development.
> >
> > Why you think an infant human would be any less subject to trauma is
> > anyone's guess.
> >
> > Why you back the practice of bloodthirsty savages is also anyone's
guess.
> >
>
>
> Give it a break. Even the authors acknowledge it is speculative. No
> matter how desperately you and any other skin freaks wish it to be true
> will not make it so.
>
> But what it is indicates is your lunatic association that the loss of
> the foreskin equates to the loss of a limb or digit.
[snip]
EEG readings taken during an infant circumcision showed such high activity
that the procedure had to be abandoned.
www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9712/23/circumcision.anesthetic/
Now seek help for your desire to mutilate infant children.
Kenny Thomas
That alone is enough to make any sane person say circumcision should be
stopped.
Briar Rabbit
>
>
> Stop trivializing the abuse of boys you unscientific stink.
>
Abuse?
What abuse is this?
Sir Jessy of Anti
"Jake Waskett" <chill...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The conclusion of what I posted (and the combined sources), surely make the
case that
mammals feel trauma in early development especially pronounced, and cortical
reorganization
has been observed as a result.
Now if you and your two bit hack friend want to continue this discussion,
I only ask if your time might be more enjoyably spent hacking up infant
children
for faux medicinal, reasons of aesthetics, or simply the bloodletting
passion of religion?
Sir Jessy of Anti
"Kenny Thomas" <ke...@tacep.org> wrote in message
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> Sir Jessy of Anti,
>
> What newsgroup are you participating in? This thread is cross posted
between
> alt.fan.scarecrow, soc.men, uk.politics.misc, and alt.circumcision.
Soc.men
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Hognoxious
Cutting the ends of their willies off. Perhaps when they did you they threw
the wrong bit away.
Hognoxious
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>
treatment.
> An inability to P without pain.
>
> Ascertain facts before posting.
Article says nothing about circumcision for genuine medical reasons.
Read article before posting.
Fair For All
Just do the same to girls an then tell me.
Fair For All
> Cutting the ends of their willies off. Perhaps when they did you they threw
> the wrong bit away.
The term "willies" is offensive and shows you don't care about the
abuse of boys. How about I burn the equivalent of you infant daughter
and then laugh about it? Girls deserve the same hell boys go through.
Daedalus
All), wrote:
Because Dr.s and parents decide whether to skin a kid's weiner? Nice
use of logic there, sparky.
Just get off your juiced up rotten crotch high horse and admit you
want women to suffer for no goddamn good reason other than you got
left with a pencil dick after the skinning and blame women for it?
Jade
Bob
> Because Dr.s and parents decide whether to skin a kid's weiner? Nice
> use of logic there, sparky.
>
> Just get off your juiced up rotten crotch high horse and admit you
> want women to suffer for no goddamn good reason other than you got
> left with a pencil dick after the skinning and blame women for it?
> Jade
You sign your name, you get the blame.
Daedalus
wrote:
>Daedalus wrote:
>> Because Dr.s and parents decide whether to skin a kid's weiner? Nice
>> use of logic there, sparky.
>>
>> Just get off your juiced up rotten crotch high horse and admit you
>> want women to suffer for no goddamn good reason other than you got
>> left with a pencil dick after the skinning and blame women for it?
>> Jade
>
>You sign your name, you get the blame.
And what does that have to do with what Dipshit said about mutilating
girls? Focus, Bob.
Jade
>
>Bob
Bob
It has everything to do with allocating responsibly for a hundred
million sexually mutilated boys/men.
When you sign your name, you get the blame.
Kookie Sheetz
> Daedalus wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:43:10 -0600, Bob <boby...@hotmail.com>,
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Daedalus wrote:
> >>
> >>>Because Dr.s and parents decide whether to skin a kid's weiner? Nice
> >>>use of logic there, sparky.
> >>>
> >>>Just get off your juiced up rotten crotch high horse and admit you
> >>>want women to suffer for no goddamn good reason other than you got
> >>>left with a pencil dick after the skinning and blame women for it?
> >>>Jade
> >>
> >>You sign your name, you get the blame.
> >
> >
> > And what does that have to do with what Dipshit said about mutilating
> > girls? Focus, Bob.
> > Jade
>
> It has everything to do with allocating responsibly for a hundred
> million sexually mutilated boys/men.
>
> When you sign your name, you get the blame.
>
> Bob
Pleace to explain your incoherency, Mr. Blob.
arealman
>
> Read article before posting.
>
Nonsense. The author was suggesting the practice should be outlawed. It's as
f******g stupid as saying never take out a childs appendix or tonnsils.
I was simply pointing out there at times there are medical reasons for
carrying out procedures.
Read what I say and understand it in relation to the top post before making
silly comments that make you look daft.
It will save you looking daft.
arealman
Briar Rabbit
The same to girls? Girls don't have dicks you moron!
Briar Rabbit
The foreskin is a dog. It is both hideous and a passion killer due to
the sensory onslaught a poor girl must withstand if they get too close.
But then I have heard that there is a small percentage of girls who
really get turned on but the "ripe" stink ... the rest just throw up.
Briar Rabbit
>> "Jake Waskett" <chill...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>You've failed to address Rabbit's observation that the conclusion is
>>*speculative*, Kenny.
>
>
> The conclusion of what I posted (and the combined sources), surely make the
> case that
> mammals feel trauma in early development especially pronounced, and cortical
> reorganization
> has been observed as a result.
>
No, no, what you posted was mere speculation. That you took it seriously
and have got all excited about it gives readers a greater insight into
your troubled mind. You need to consider therapy. You need to work this
problem you have through with a professional.
Briar Rabbit
> (Fair For All), wrote:
>>
>>The term "willies" is offensive and shows you don't care about the
>>abuse of boys. How about I burn the equivalent of you infant daughter
>>and then laugh about it? Girls deserve the same hell boys go through.
>
>
> Because Dr.s and parents decide whether to skin a kid's weiner? Nice
> use of logic there, sparky.
>
> Just get off your juiced up rotten crotch high horse and admit you
> want women to suffer for no goddamn good reason other than you got
> left with a pencil dick after the skinning and blame women for it?
>
> Jade
>
Jade, do try to have some compassion for the mentally ill. This turkey
is one of the most serious cases. Of course it is always wise not to
feed the trolls. Fair for all is one.
Nemesis
the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was finally able
to type out the following:
>Daedalus wrote:
>> Because Dr.s and parents decide whether to skin a kid's weiner? Nice
>> use of logic there, sparky.
>>
>> Just get off your juiced up rotten crotch high horse and admit you
>> want women to suffer for no goddamn good reason other than you got
>> left with a pencil dick after the skinning and blame women for it?
>> Jade
>
>You sign your name, you get the blame.
>
>Bob
Says the old punk that runs away from his own words.
Kenny Thomas
Are you a licensed psychologist?
Serialpest
"Kenny Thomas" <ke...@tacep.org> wrote:
> Briar,
>
> Are you a licensed psychologist?
What's the name of your psychologist, Kenny?
Sir Jessy of Anti
"Briar Rabbit" <Br...@Rabbit.net> wrote in message
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> Sir Jessy of Anti wrote:
>
> >> "Jake Waskett" <chill...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >>You've failed to address Rabbit's observation that the conclusion is
> >>*speculative*, Kenny.
> >
> >
> > The conclusion of what I posted (and the combined sources), surely make
the
> > case that
> > mammals feel trauma in early development especially pronounced, and
cortical
> > reorganization
> > has been observed as a result.
> >
>
> No, no, what you posted was mere speculation.
Wrong.
>That you took it seriously
> and have got all excited about it gives readers a greater insight into
> your troubled mind. You need to consider therapy. You need to work this
> problem you have through with a professional.
It's ok. I understand your need to misdirect the blame for your
infant abuse. How many of your children will or have you rape(d) of their
normal and functioning
sexual organs for reasons of aesthetics or religion?
Fair For All
> The same to girls? Girls don't have dicks you moron!
Then 3rd-degree-burn their left outer labia with an oxyacetlyene flame.
Fair For All
> And what does that have to do with what Dipshit said about mutilating
> girls?
Revenge you fucker. Revenge against the boy-hating system of chivalry.
Fair For All
> Just get off your juiced up rotten crotch high horse and admit you
> want women to suffer for no goddamn good reason other than you got
> left with a pencil dick after the skinning and blame women for it?
STFU feminist pedo. Girls deserve to burn in sex-hell in revenge for
what boys go through. Show some sympathy for male victims of child
abuse or fuck-off.
Bob
There is somewhere near a hundred million sexually mutilated boys/men in
the USA. Almost all of them cut up over their mother's signature. You
could stop mutilating girls/women when you get to that number. There'll
be a whole lot o' screamin' goin' on.
Fair For All
> Sir Jessy of Anti wrote:
>
> >> "Jake Waskett" <chill...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >>You've failed to address Rabbit's observation that the conclusion is
> >>*speculative*, Kenny.
> >
> >
> > The conclusion of what I posted (and the combined sources), surely make the
> > case that
> > mammals feel trauma in early development especially pronounced, and cortical
> > reorganization
> > has been observed as a result.
True. Sexual violence alters the CNS.
>
> No, no, what you posted was mere speculation. That you took it seriously
> and have got all excited about it gives readers a greater insight into
> your troubled mind. You need to consider therapy. You need to work this
> problem you have through with a professional.
Stfu unscientific bunny briar.
Briar Rabbit
And boys go through what that demands this "retribution"?
Briar Rabbit
Who did what that you advocate "revenge" against girl children who could
not have done anyone except been born as a girl?
Briar Rabbit
Looney tunes.
Do they know you have escaped?
Briar Rabbit
>
>
> There is somewhere near a hundred million sexually mutilated boys/men in
> the USA.
>
>
Interesting that the plain old mammalian penile sheath (aka the
foreskin) has miraculously developed a sexual function.
This is of course a psychosexually motivated position by people with a
peculiar interest in the anogenital area of males.
Briar Rabbit
> "Briar Rabbit" <Br...@Rabbit.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>
>>No, no, what you posted was mere speculation.
>
>
> Wrong.
>
Right, wrong, right , wrong ....
Now you are obviously desperate to believe the speculative piece so
theres no changing your mind. But for those who care:
The piece was hugely speculative and flighted a theory. This is the same
as Taylor's piece of crappy science.
Any essay which ends like this can hardly be seen as being definitive by
anyone other than the most desperate of the skin freaks.
"Were such a hypothesis to be unsupported, then Huxley's definition of a
tragedy, "a beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact," would be
fulfilled. On the other hand, were such a hypothesis to be supported,
then the Gordian knot that interlinks human symboling, human behavior,
and human neurophysiology can be unraveled one notch."
This is standard to the skin freak thought process. Read this piece again:
"a beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact,"
There are a number of skin freak "beautiful theories out there. For example:
* The supposed sexual function of the mammalian penile sheath (aka foreskin)
* That Lysozyme (which supposedly kills the HI-virus) is found in the
sub-preputial wetness (the term for the gunk that accumulates under the
foreskin).
* and now this one and others etc etc
One will find that the case against circumcision had to be built upon a
series of carefully constructed lies as there was as can be seen no
scientific basis for their position. It was merely a psychosexual
obsession looking for respectability.
There is of course a flip side to this argument which the skin freaks
have not taken into account.
Back in the past there were obscure reasons cited by obscure doctors
that somehow circumcision could address/cure a number of mental ills.
These were laughed off by our skins freaks as being ridiculous and
evidence of some desperate search for reasons to circumcise.
Now without realizing it (as they just plain don't have the smarts) by
citing this speculative piece they are unwittingly providing a basis to
reopen discussion upon these old "cures" resulting from circumcision.
Further despite this inserted comment on the skin freak website where
the essay is posted they still desperately cling to this nonsense:
"CIRP believes that the authors exhibit a fundamental mis-understanding
of human sexuality."
Well the truth be known that the authors in there essay exhibit a number
of fundamental misunderstandings.
Is it not so sadly pathetic that desperate people have to place
irrational faith in speculative essays like that of Immerman and MacKey.
Kenny Thomas
Are you really that ignorant or are you just playing games?
Kenny Thomas
You share the same interests as the rest of us, you are also a participant
in the alt.circumcision newsgroup, hence you must have some interest in the
subject of male genitalia right? If not, why are you here?
Daedalus
wrote:
He's a complete moron. Logic is a foreign concept.
Jade
Fair For All
stfu girl-respecting, boy-abusing pedo.
Bob
These psychotic perverts will grasp any excuse to practice their
sadistic perversion on little children.
Anyone who touches a child's organs ought to be shot.
Bob
knoxy
changed their diapers?
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"The Internet is a gateway to get on the net."
Bob Dole
Bob
> changed their diapers?
>
Did you cut part of it off?
knoxy
Bob
>
Then you don't need to be shot yet.
knoxy
birth to twin boys in may and I'm not married to their father. Are you
sure you don't want me shot yet?
Bob
> birth to twin boys in may and I'm not married to their father. Are you
> sure you don't want me shot yet?
You are tempting.
Bob
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When did we divide into sides?
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on the side of women." John Kerry, misandrist Democratic candidate for
President. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/women/
Ralph DuBose
This is an odd statement when it is put up beside the fact that NO
national Medical speciality board in the US or Europe currently
recommends routine infant circ. They all say that the purported
benefits are very hard to prove. Maybe you would have an easier time
winning this argument if you first convinced the American Board of
Pediatrics or Urology of the force of your ideas about this. Then you
would have some credibilty beyond the internet-source-quote variety.
But none of those responsible groups of medical specialists actually
agree with you.
In the Scandinavian countries, circumcision is virtually unheard
of. They have very low rates of the sort of problems supposedly
prevented by circs. And Swedish women have always seemed perfectly
content with it all. There is a message hidden in this if you look
hard enough.
Fair For All
Girls benefit from the same evil that hurts boys. Those who benefit
from evil are evil. Evils deserve to be avenged.
Fair For All
Boys are forced to be self-destructive, not show any emotion or pain,
and to suffers all types of abuses -- sex and otherwise. Girls have
social recourse for opposite-gender abuse. Boys don't have recourse
for abuse from same-gender or opposite-gender.
Fair For All
> That's not fair. Because boys are discriminated against isn't the girl's
> fault. There are better ways to deal with things than with violence.
Girls are sadistic exploitative little spoiled-rotten bitches who gain
cold-hearted sexual pleasure, humor, and happiness from the suffering
of helpless innocent little boys. Western girls are bad enough.
Non-western girls are far worse. Oriental girls are the worst.
I bet you anything, the average 10yo oriental girl wouldn't care if
here own biological 4yo brother was molested and murdered by a white
muscleman right in front of her own eyes and in close proximity to
her.
Kenny Thomas
I would hate to feel the same way you do. One wrong doesn't need to be met
with another.
Nemesis
All) with the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was
finally able to type out the following:
>Briar Rabbit <Br...@Rabbit.net> wrote in message news:<cd7gc0$nl7$3...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>...
>> Fair For All wrote:
>>
>> > Daedalus <jad...@my-deja.com > wrote in message news:<os8df0pn11lnmo16m...@4ax.com>...
>> >
>> >
>> >>Just get off your juiced up rotten crotch high horse and admit you
>> >>want women to suffer for no goddamn good reason other than you got
>> >>left with a pencil dick after the skinning and blame women for it?
>> >
>> >
>> > STFU feminist pedo. Girls deserve to burn in sex-hell in revenge for
>> > what boys go through. Show some sympathy for male victims of child
>> > abuse or fuck-off.
>>
>>
>> And boys go through what that demands this "retribution"?
>
>Boys are forced to be self-destructive, not show any emotion or pain,
And this is taught to them by older males.
>and to suffers all types of abuses -- sex and otherwise.
>Girls have
>social recourse for opposite-gender abuse. Boys don't have recourse
>for abuse from same-gender or opposite-gender.
Maybe because they were taught by their older peers to enjoy those
experiences.
--
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knoxy
daughter with me. How about now? Want me shot yet?
dreas
"Fair For All" <masculis...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:72836ece.04071...@posting.google.com...
> "Kenny Thomas" <ke...@tacep.org> wrote in message
news:<DQiJc.43$kC2...@fe39.usenetserver.com>...
> > That's not fair. Because boys are discriminated against isn't the girl's
> > fault. There are better ways to deal with things than with violence.
>
> Girls are sadistic exploitative little spoiled-rotten bitches who gain
> cold-hearted sexual pleasure, humor, and happiness from the suffering
> of helpless innocent little boys. Western girls are bad enough.
> Non-western girls are far worse. Oriental girls are the worst.
Ooooh! Sexist and racist too!
-'dreas
Hognoxious
news:cd6d96$k5p$2$830f...@news.demon.co.uk...
...
> Read what I say and understand it in relation to the top post before
making
> silly comments that make you look daft.
I did, it's irrelevant.
> It will save you looking daft.
I know you do, surrealman.
Bob
> daughter with me. How about now? Want me shot yet?
For you knoxxxy, general principles is reason enough.
Put the XXX in knoxxxy.
Fair For All
> On 16 Jul 2004 19:48:50 -0700, masculis...@yahoo.com (Fair For
> All) with the help of a thousand monkeys banging on keyboards, was
> finally able to type out the following:
>
> >Briar Rabbit <Br...@Rabbit.net> wrote in message news:<cd7gc0$nl7$3...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>...
> >> Fair For All wrote:
> >>
> >> > Daedalus <jad...@my-deja.com > wrote in message news:<os8df0pn11lnmo16m...@4ax.com>...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Just get off your juiced up rotten crotch high horse and admit you
> >> >>want women to suffer for no goddamn good reason other than you got
> >> >>left with a pencil dick after the skinning and blame women for it?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > STFU feminist pedo. Girls deserve to burn in sex-hell in revenge for
> >> > what boys go through. Show some sympathy for male victims of child
> >> > abuse or fuck-off.
> >>
> >>
> >> And boys go through what that demands this "retribution"?
> >
> >Boys are forced to be self-destructive, not show any emotion or pain,
>
> And this is taught to them by older males.
These "older males" are chivalrous pedo-bastards. They molest boys to
show how much they respect girls. The only way to hurt them is to fry
their daughter and little sisters.
Dr. Flonkenstein
posted:
Are you a serial killer?
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He's a chronic idiot.
Jade
Verner Karleborg
>
> The foreskin is a dog. It is both hideous and a passion killer due to
> the sensory onslaught a poor girl must withstand if they get too close.
> But then I have heard that there is a small percentage of girls who
> really get turned on but the "ripe" stink ... the rest just throw up.
My personal experience of the real world says your fantasy is not
correct. There is no "ripe stink" and no throwing up.
[Did I just fall for a troll?]
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Verner Karleborg
>
> Interesting that the plain old mammalian penile sheath (aka the
> foreskin) has miraculously developed a sexual function.
Since when does it not have a sexual function?
> This is of course a psychosexually motivated position by people with a
> peculiar interest in the anogenital area of males.
Such as those who happen to own a set, or those who enjoy having sex
with people who do.
Verner Karleborg
>
> Yes, you fell for a troll.
OK. I find this discussion slightly scary and quite amusing at the same
time. I just didn't know it was such an Issue... but claiming that women
don't like men the way they were shaped by nature is just too silly!
Verner Karleborg
>
> Actually, circumcision is a good idea. It is hygenic,
> a major consideration outside the first world, and it
> desentisizes the penis.
Women manage to stay clean just fine and they have much more "stuff down
there". I also don't see why desensitising would be a good thing. Surely
that only means you enjoy sex less?
> Modification of the clitoris minimizes the pleasure derived from
> intercourse. A crude but effective way to curb promiscuity.
I saw a documentary about that once. They interviewed some women who
said the argument that "it stops infidelity" is stupid, because the body
part that falls in love with that other man is the head (or "heart"),
not the clitoris.
> People remove tonsils, adenoids, teeth, appendices, hair, nails
> and cancers for particular purposes and you argue about a clip of
> skin?
Where is the "particular purpose" for circumcision? (and why wouldn't
one argue against people who want to remove that "clip"?)
> >What gives a doctor or parent the right to decide to remove part of a childs
> >intimate parts? Nothing as far as I can see.
>
> Adults are responsible for children. As a result adults have
> authority over them.
I know one person who had cosmetic surgery done at the age of four. It
was done because his face hadn't formed correctly before he was born and
among other things he had trouble breathing and chewing (on the other
hand picking his nose was really simple - he could just lick it clean
from the inside!). I doubt parents would be allowed to have nose jobs
done on perfectly healthy children though.
> >Circumcision is an outdated barbaric act which does nothing but cause the
> >young boy distress, it should be outlawed as female genital mutilation is.
>
> Didn't bother me as a child. I would have had it done as an
> adult.
Good for you. Somebody else might feel differently.
*crosses legs*
Briar Rabbit
> Briar Rabbit wrote:
>
>>Interesting that the plain old mammalian penile sheath (aka the
>>foreskin) has miraculously developed a sexual function.
>
>
> Since when does it not have a sexual function?
>
This function. You believe it to be anatomical or just raw psychosexual?
>
>
>>This is of course a psychosexually motivated position by people with a
>>peculiar interest in the anogenital area of males.
>
>
> Such as those who happen to own a set, or those who enjoy having sex
> with people who do.
>
Yes, those "admirers of foreskins" have one great big foreskin fetish.
That of course provides a sexual function purely in the minds of such
pathetic creatures only. They then go on to rimming (butt licking) and
skat and other activities with human excrement.
Briar Rabbit
the connection between the lack of male circumcision and cervical cancer.
This deceit and misrepresentation was finally knocked on the head with
the publication of the Castellsagué study in 2002.
Male Circumcision, Penile Human Papillomavirus Infection, and Cervical
Cancer in Female Partners
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/346/15/1105
I quote:
Conclusions: Male circumcision is associated with a reduced risk of
penile HPV infection and, in the case of men with a history of multiple
sexual partners, a reduced risk of cervical cancer in their current
female partners.
Lets see what is happening in a traditionally non-circumcising environment.
The cervical cancer epidemic that screening has prevented in the UK.
http://tinyurl.com/6x8e4
It states quite clearly that: "Cervical screening has prevented an
epidemic that would have killed about one in 65 of all British women
born since 1950..."
So let the propagandists not misrepresent the incidence of this problem
by focussing only on deaths and not on early diagnosis through pap smears.
Remember, circumcision equals low HPV infection which translates into
lower cervical cancer in women.
Read the studies, do the math there is no other conclusion, the foreskin
is a lethal risk to women.
_________________
“The proponents of not circumcising stress that lifelong penile hygiene
is essential. This acknowledges that something harmful or unpleasant is
happening under the prepuce.” - Russell T, Med Observer 1993
Kenny Thomas
Hyerdahl1
>From: Briar Rabbit Br...@Rabbit.net
>Date: 7/24/2004 1:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <cduhpv$1sl$2...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>
>
>It is strange that some continue to deny, play down or attempt to refute
>the connection between the lack of male circumcision and cervical cancer.
Perhaps uncircumcised men are afraid they won't find women who would be willing
to take them on.
Each colony is a family unit, comprising a single egg-laying female ...The
workers cooperate in the food gathering, nest building and rearing offspring.
Males are reared only at times of year when their presence is required.
(Secret Life of Bees)
Verner Karleborg
> Verner Karleborg wrote:
> > Briar Rabbit wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting that the plain old mammalian penile sheath (aka the
> > > foreskin) has miraculously developed a sexual function.
> >
> > Since when does it not have a sexual function?
>
> This function. You believe it to be anatomical or just raw psychosexual?
No need to "believe" anything. It is a physical reality that there is
more to play with.
> > > This is of course a psychosexually motivated position by people with a
> > > peculiar interest in the anogenital area of males.
> >
> > Such as those who happen to own a set, or those who enjoy having sex
> > with people who do.
>
> Yes, those "admirers of foreskins" have one great big foreskin fetish.
> That of course provides a sexual function purely in the minds of such
> pathetic creatures only.
OK, so I didn't look up the word "anogenital". I probably just read
"genital" (as in, penis, with or without foreskin). Lets see:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?db=*&q=anogenital
"Relating to the anus and the genitals."
It seems I read correctly.
Yes, a lot of people do seem to be very interested in penises
(particularly their own, or their partner's). I would think this is not
only normal but necessary for our survival (as in, there won't be a next
generation if people aren't interested in this subject).
You are the first person I've ever seen talking about a "foreskin
fetish". I don't really know how to respond to that. It would be like a
tribe of people with amputated noses arguing about Europeans having a
"nose fetish". IOW, those who have them don't seem to think it's
anything special, there's certainly nothing kinky about it.
> They then go on to rimming (butt licking) and
> skat and other activities with human excrement.
How did *that* UFO end up in this discussion?
Kenny Thomas
Briar is a troll, he thinks that everyone with a foreskin, or believes that
the foreskin is valuable in any way is a homosexual that enjoys doing those
things (rimming, skat etc...) Don't feed the troll.
Bateau
Let women deal with their own problems.
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> Verner Karleborg wrote:
>
> > Briar Rabbit wrote:
> >
> >>Interesting that the plain old mammalian penile sheath (aka the
> >>foreskin) has miraculously developed a sexual function.
> >
> >
> > Since when does it not have a sexual function?
> >
>
>
> This function. You believe it to be anatomical or just raw psychosexual?
>
>
> >
> >
> >>This is of course a psychosexually motivated position by people with a
> >>peculiar interest in the anogenital area of males.
> >
> >
> > Such as those who happen to own a set, or those who enjoy having sex
> > with people who do.
> >
>
> Yes, those "admirers of foreskins" have one great big foreskin fetish.
> That of course provides a sexual function purely in the minds of such
> pathetic creatures only.
In the years following the 2nd WW, large numbers of American GIs
spent time in occuppied Germany. Lots of German women got very
familiar with lots of circumcised American dicks. There were an
estimated 50,000 births thereby in the first few year. German women
were not impressed. There was no demand on their part that German men
start getting circed like the Americans. It made no obvious impression
on them at all. They remained quite happy with what nature intended.
That is your main problem. You are trying to argue against nature.
Briar Rabbit
They increasingly do. They get their sons circumcised. That takes care
of a number of their problems.
Briar Rabbit
> Briar Rabbit <Br...@Rabbit.net> wrote in message news:<cduhm9$1sl$1...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>...
>>>
>>
>>Yes, those "admirers of foreskins" have one great big foreskin fetish.
>>That of course provides a sexual function purely in the minds of such
>>pathetic creatures only.
>
>
> In the years following the 2nd WW, large numbers of American GIs
> spent time in occuppied Germany. Lots of German women got very
> familiar with lots of circumcised American dicks. There were an
> estimated 50,000 births thereby in the first few year. German women
> were not impressed. There was no demand on their part that German men
> start getting circed like the Americans. It made no obvious impression
> on them at all. They remained quite happy with what nature intended.
> That is your main problem. You are trying to argue against nature.
>
If a woman had a personal preference for the circumcised penis would she
automatically want the same for her son (supposing it were available in
Germany at the time)? Would they want to mark their illegitimate child
as an American's bastard? But anyway I like the theory, the one thing
for sure is that you skin freaks are desperate to come up with all
manner of such crap which is at least humourous if not plain sadly pathetic.