Hitler Watercolor
Jim Kellogg
I have a friend who owns a watercolor from Hitler. It is the original
that is in the 1936 Bilderdienst cigarette photo card book "Adolf
Hitler" on page 70 called "Haus mit weiBem Zann". It is about 5 inches
high by 7 inches wide. It was given to a early party member named Auther
Seekamp by Hitler.What do you estimate this watercolor is worth? Also
who
can authenticate it and where can I find out Seekamp's NSDAP party
number and other information about him?
Regards and Thanks,
Jim Kellogg
Keith B. Rosenberg
all of the Nazi Party members. How accessable
this catalogue is I do not know. I do know that
it was not open to just anybody in the past.
This was because many of the people in the German
government had been Nazi party members. There
are probably few of these people left in active
service, but the access may still be restricted.
Jim Kellogg wrote:
>..... where can I find out Seekamp's NSDAP
> party number and other information about him?
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enor...@ix.netcom.com (Keith B. Rosenberg) (EN][)
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
HCALTMANN
>I have a friend who owns a watercolor from Hitler.
How did your friend get it? Did he buy it? Or was the painting "liberated?"
But that cannot be, since Allied soldiers did not loot.
>What do you estimate this watercolor is worth?
Probably nothing, unless it can be authenticated.
>where can I find out Seekamp's NSDAP party
>number and other information about him?
The NARA (National Archives) in Washington, DC have the entire card catalog of
Party members, though it is not complete. Write to them and they might be able
to help.
-- Heinz
HCAl...@aol.com (Heinz Altmann)
"I have no desire to win, only to get things right." A.J.P. Taylor
Alan Allport
> I have a friend who owns a watercolor from Hitler. It is the original
> that is in the 1936 Bilderdienst cigarette photo card book "Adolf
> Hitler" on page 70 called "Haus mit weiBem Zann". It is about 5 inches
> high by 7 inches wide. It was given to a early party member named Auther
> Seekamp by Hitler.What do you estimate this watercolor is worth? Also
> who
> can authenticate it and where can I find out Seekamp's NSDAP party
> number and other information about him?
It's probably worth something, but not as much as you might think. What
Hitler the artist lacked in aesthetic judgement he made up for in
productivity; there are a great many Hitler paintings out there, and several
large privately owned collections. There are also, I'm afraid, a huge number
of forgeries. Konrad Kujau, the celebrated author of the Hitler 'diaries',
was supposedly responsible for a good number of them. Paintings that have
been uncontroversially attributed to Hitler for years may well be fakes. I
think there is a small literature on this (IMHO rather unseemly) market
niche, though the books are no doubt out-of-print.
Alan.
CRH III
HCALTMANN <hcal...@aol.com> wrote in article
> How did your friend get it? Did he buy it? Or was the painting "liberated?"
> But that cannot be, since Allied soldiers did not loot.
Yeah sure allied soldiers looted. Are you trying to imply that they were
the only ones that did? I seem to remember train loads of booty going back
home to the fatherland. But that cannot be, German soldiers were welcomed
throughout Europe.
HCALTMANN
>Yeah sure allied soldiers looted. Are you trying to imply that they were
>the only ones that did?
No, I am not trying to imply that. I am trying to imply that, all too often,
the German soldier is accused of looting, while others are exonerated.
>I seem to remember train loads of booty going back
>home to the fatherland.
The German soldier did not command trains.
>But that cannot be, German soldiers were welcomed
>throughout Europe.
So were the GIs, after the war was over and once people found that many of
them were drunkards and ill behaved.
Heinz
CRH III
HCALTMANN <hcal...@aol.com> wrote
> No, I am not trying to imply that. I am trying to imply that, all too
often,
> the German soldier is accused of looting, while others are exonerated.
The original post was about a watercolor. You brought up the looting.
> The German soldier did not command trains.
What did Goring use to get his art work from the Louvre to Karinhall, an ox
cart?
> So were the GIs, after the war was over and once people found that many
of
> them were drunkards and ill behaved.
Now your talking! But see, the key here is, "after the war was over". I'm
sure your average Frenchman or Belgian was happy to put up with GI's, drunk
or otherwise, since the alternative was living under Nazi occupation. As
far as what happened in Germany proper, your only choices were the American
and British, or the Russians. I really don't remember entire units
desperately trying to get to where the Russians were.
Anyway, no countries armies were composed of choirboys. I just didn't like
the little zinger about Allied soldiers, that's all.
ro...@colt.net
>>j...@aquakleen.com.au writes:
>>I have a friend who owns a watercolor from Hitler.
>
>How did your friend get it? Did he buy it? Or was the painting "liberated?"
>But that cannot be, since Allied soldiers did not loot.
>
Hitler's paintings have changed hands legitimately since the war
(perhaps during) and I doubt that GIs would have displayed much
interest in them (unless identified as such), being more interested in
seeing if one's garage contained an expensive automobile.
>>What do you estimate this watercolor is worth?
>
>Probably nothing, unless it can be authenticated.
[...]
Several hundred USD. They come up at auction occasionally.
WSC's are a little more expensive (there are also faked WSC paintings
around), and I have always fancied obtaining one of each for a matched
'His and Hers' hanging.
anker...@my-deja.com
ro...@COLT.NET wrote:
> Hitler's paintings have changed hands legitimately since the war.
Yes, there are many collectors. I strongly recommend Billy F.
Price's Adolf Hitler - The Unknown Artist. It is a very fine
book on Hitler as an artist. Price, of Houston, TX, is a major
collector of A. Hilter's art. His book indicates the provenance
of the pictures. You will see the looting by GIs at all rank levels.
Hitler's pictures were actively sought.
GFH
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Before you buy.
anker...@my-deja.com
> (perhaps during) and I doubt that GIs would have displayed much
> interest in them (unless identified as such), being more interested in
> seeing if one's garage contained an expensive automobile.
Actually, Hitlers watercolors attracted a lot of attention.
No one remained in the hands of the owners. All were, in fact,
looted. There are good books on Hitler's art which trace its
ownership. Read one. The pictures are quite good also.
