WWII Nazi Military Marches
Eddie
doing this not because I'm a fan of Nazi music but because I am
interested in military music of Germany during WWII and also because
of general interest in military marches (I was in a marching band in
the USN)
However, I'm under the impression that there is a particular march
that is forbidden to be played, at least in Germany IIRC. Could that
be the Nazi National Anthem? I do have "Deutschland Ubber Alles"
titled "German National Anthem," but is this the current (and allowed)
anthem, or the Nazi National Anthem (and banned)?
Any help appreciated.
Eddie in San Jose
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"Eddie" <hawa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> However, I'm under the impression that there is a particular march
> that is forbidden to be played, at least in Germany IIRC. Could that
> be the Nazi National Anthem?
The Horst Wessel song was most closely associated with the Nazi party, so I
would expect that to be banned if any were.
Deutschland uber Alles was not a specifically Nazi national anthem, being
used before the Nazis came to power and still in use today. The title
translates best as Germany First, a common theme among national anthems..
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Don Phillipson
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> I'm under the impression that there is a particular march
> that is forbidden to be played, at least in Germany IIRC. Could that
> be the Nazi National Anthem? I do have "Deutschland Ubber Alles"
> titled "German National Anthem," but is this the current (and allowed)
> anthem, or the Nazi National Anthem (and banned)?
1. If any march was banned after 1945 it wa probably
the Horst Wessell Song, the most popular Nazi
party song of the 1930s (because of its
bloodthirsty antisemitic lyrics.)
2. Deutschland Ueber Alles was since
the early 19th century the anthem of pan-German
union (cf. text) but had no formal or official
status in either Wilhelmine or Hitlerian Germany.
(The tune was written by Haydn for the Austrian
national anthem. The 19th century lyrics mention
some Danish and Polish places claimed for Germany.)
Being non-Hitlerian, it was never banned.
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Andrew Clark
"Eddie" <hawa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
> I do have "Deutschland Ubber Alles"
> titled "German National Anthem," but is this the current
(and allowed)
> anthem, or the Nazi National Anthem (and banned)?
Deutschland Uber Alles (Germany over all) is the current FRG
national anthem, albeit somewhat controversially.
Former Nazi marches including the Horst Wesel march (the
official Nazi Party anthem) are banned in Germany and a
number of other European nations to prevent their
exploitation by neo-Nazi groups.
Ed Frank
> However, I'm under the impression that there is a particular march
> that is forbidden to be played, at least in Germany IIRC. Could that
> be the Nazi National Anthem?
I don't know about "Nazi National Anthem" but
you're probably referring to the "Horst Wessel
Lied," which was -the- Nazi march. (It commemorates
a street-fighter/petty criminal who was killed
by ... I forget exactly. Maybe the French when
they occupied the Ruhr, or more likely a Red
street-fighter.)
>I do have "Deutschland Ubber Alles"
> titled "German National Anthem," but is this the current (and allowed)
> anthem,
DUA is now, and always has been since its
adoption, the official anthem of Germany.
My understanding is that the politically
touchy issue is its first verse, which sets
some rather generous boundaries for Germany.
> or the Nazi National Anthem (and banned)?
The tunes are rhythmically quite different,
and it would be hard for anyone with an ear
to mistake them. See if you can find the
HWL on the internet--you'll see immediately
that the verses of the one won't fit the other
(in German of course).
Ed "always liked 'Preussens Gloria'" Frank
Drechsler Nicolas
Germany. So are a bunch of other SA/SS marching tunes. Their texts are
usually crudely anti-semitic and/or anti-french and anti-russian. The
National Anthem of Germany, Deutschland uber Alles is partly banned in
Germany. The melody is still the same, though the text is different. The
problem there was, that 1) the Nazis attached there own verses to it,
praising the Fuhrer and 2) as it was written in the late 19th century its
first strophe is dedicated to the German borders, "From the Maas to the
Memel, from the Etsch to the Belt". Now if you consult an actual Atlas of
Europe you'll see, that the Maas is in Belgium and Holland, while the Memel
is in Poland, so these lyrics would not be politically correct, would they?
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Christopher Morton
>Deutschland uber Alles was not a specifically Nazi national anthem, being
>used before the Nazis came to power and still in use today. The title
>translates best as Germany First, a common theme among national anthems..
It's also a Lutheran hymn and features as a theme in Hadyn's(?)
"Kaiserquartette"(sp). The church next to where I used to live in
Chicago had it programmed into the chimes.
If I'm not mistaken, the words have been changed slightly. I think
the "Ode to Joy" was briefly played until the newer version was
introduced.
An interesting fact is that a number of marches were popular on both
sides, such as Teike's "Alte Kameraden/Old Comrades". I have versions
played both by British and German military bands.
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Christopher Morton
>The tunes are rhythmically quite different,
>and it would be hard for anyone with an ear
>to mistake them. See if you can find the
I've always found the Nazi marches hackneyed and stilted in a way
similar to Stalin's "Hymn of the Soviet Union".
The old standards like the Prussian Gloria, Alte Kameraden, and Das
Yorkschen Korps hold up a lot better than the Nazi stuff.
In the recent movie about the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, the SS were seen
marching into the Ghetto singing Erika. Does anyone know when Erika
was written?