Panzerfaust anti-tank weapon question
Group Captain Lionel Mandrake
much armor
can it penetrate at, say, 300 meters?
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Christopher Morton
Lionel Mandrake) wrote:
>How much armor at maximum range can the pazerfaust penetrate? How
>much armor
The Panzerfaust uses a hollowcharge warhead. If you can get the
warhead to strike the target, the distance which it covers to do so is
immaterial.
In other words, if you bulk freighted a Panzerfaust on a UFO to the
Pleiades and a courier hand delivered it to a target there and fired
it at 150m, the target effect would be identical to that of you firing
it at pointblank range.
It's hitting the target at ANY range where the complications arise....
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blue...@aol.comfaber (Group Captain Lionel Mandrake) writes:
> How much armor at maximum range can the pazerfaust penetrate? How
> much armor
> can it penetrate at, say, 300 meters?
The armor penetration of all hollow charge, or in post-war parlance
HEAT (High Explosive, Anti-Tank) weapons is range independent. This
means that the penetration is the same at 20 and 200 meters. The
reason is that HEAT weapons penetrate armor with the chemical energy
released in the explosion.
Panzerfausts (except the 'Faustpatrone klein' small model) could
penetrate a maximum of 200mm of armor, although that was a rather
optimistic 'test-range' figure. Incidentally, the maximum range of the
most long range variant of the Panzerfaust (Panzerfaust 150) was 200
meters, albeit the practical range was (as the name implies) about 150
meters.
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John D Salt
news:3c4afe0...@news.pacific.net.au:
> How much armor at maximum range can the pazerfaust
> penetrate? How much armor
> can it penetrate at, say, 300 meters?
All flavours of Panzerfaust use a hollow-charge (HEAT) warhead,
so penetration does not vary with range.
The usual figures given are 160mm for the Panzerfaust klein and
200mm for the Panzerfaust gross (PF-30, PF-60 or PF-100). I
believe the figures as, as is customary, for RHA at 30 degrees.
All the best,
John.
Ian MacLure
Group Captain Lionel Mandrake <blue...@aol.comfaber> wrote in message
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> How much armor at maximum range can the pazerfaust penetrate? How
> much armor
> can it penetrate at, say, 300 meters?
The same as at 50, 100, or 200 meters.
Hollowcharge weapons are not all that sensitive to impact velocity.
I think the rule of thumb for early hollow charge weapons was
penetration of the order of 1-2x diameter of charge.
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>How much armor at maximum range can the pazerfaust penetrate? How
>much armor can it penetrate at, say, 300 meters?
The range to the target didn't alter the panzerfaust's penetration
ability. As a hollow charge warhead, the penetration stayed the same
at all ranges. There are reports that a panzerfaust was seen to
penetrate both sides of a Sherman's turret armor.
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Andy O'Neill
Mandrake <blue...@aol.comfaber> writes
>How much armor at maximum range can the pazerfaust penetrate? How
>much armor
>can it penetrate at, say, 300 meters?
Mostly, enough to get through anything out there.... but....
There were a number of different panzerfausts.
If you do a web search, there's a page which lists the different fausts
and has all sorts of info.
Panzerfausts were mostly designated by effective range - hence the pz
faust 30, pzfaust 60 and pzfaust 100. 30 60 and 100 metres effective
range.
The original designation was faustpatrone and the first issued were
prototypes which were almost as dangerous to user as enemy...
There was a pz faust 250 being worked on at wars end but not in usem or
at least definitely not in general use.
It's possible the late war version - a faust 100 could maybe reach 300
meters, but this would be with a very slim chance of hitting a tank.
The low muzzle velocity ( comparisons of which IIRC I previously posted
) meant the projectile followed very much an arc.
The hollow charge/monroe effect principle used by pz faust, bazooka,
shreck and piat are not reliant on kinetic energy. Hence the range
didn't effect penetration.
Tank vets talking of being in combat against late war ( green, almost
untrained ) german infantry mention how they'd be prone to firing at
beyond effective range and they could see fausts fly up in the air...
drop to the ground ahead of their tanks.
Andy O'Neill
www.l-25.demon.co.uk/index.htm
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Martin Rapier
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> How much armor at maximum range can the pazerfaust penetrate? How
> much armor can it penetrate at, say, 300 meters?
As the panzerfaust uses a shaped charge warhead the range to the target is
irrelevant as far as penetration is concenerned, armour penetration is
dependant on the design of the warhead (just like a modern RPG7).
Penetration was approximately 200mm, although it varied by model. The
penetration at 300m range is likely to be zero as it couldn't fire that far!
More data than you would ever wish to know about panzerfausts here:
http://www.adeq.simplenet.com/pzfaust1.htm
Cheers
Martin
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"Group Captain Lionel Mandrake" <blue...@aol.comfaber> wrote in message
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> much armor
> can it penetrate at, say, 300 meters?
Since the penetrative capability of a panzerfaust relies on a shaped
explosive
charge it can penetrate the same amount of armor regardless of the distance
to the target. A panzerfaust penetrated up to 200mm of WWII tank armor.
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Juha Veijalainen
> The range to the target didn't alter the panzerfaust's penetration
> ability. As a hollow charge warhead, the penetration stayed the same
> at all ranges. There are reports that a panzerfaust was seen to
> penetrate both sides of a Sherman's turret armor.
The range did not matter, but Panzerfaust was usable at ranges less
than
100 m, more like 50 metres. Panzerschrek was the "long" range weapon,
100
+ metres.
Warhead penetration improved during the war. The latest models had
about
200mm penetration, so both Panzerfaust/schreck could penetrate the
armour
of any enemy tank.
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Tero P. Mustalahti
Juha Veijalainen <vei...@welho.com> writes:
> The range did not matter, but Panzerfaust was usable at ranges less
> than 100 m, more like 50 metres. Panzerschrek was the "long" range
> weapon, 100 + metres.
There were in fact four different production models of the
Panzerfasut: Faustpatrone klein, Panzerfaust 30, Panzerfaust 60 and
Panzerfaust 100. The number is the practical maximum range in
meters. The Faustpatrone klein had about the same max range as the
Panzerfaust 30 but it penetrated less armor (140mm). In addition there
was an experimental Panzerfaust 150 and on a drawing board a
Panzerfaust 250. All Panzerfausts (except the FP klein) were rated for
200mm of armor penetration. In field conditions the actual penetration
was typically less and varied quite a lot.
> Warhead penetration improved during the war. The latest models had
> about 200mm penetration, so both Panzerfaust/schreck could penetrate
> the armour of any enemy tank.
Through the sides or rear yes. Frontal penetration was a different
matter, even if it was theoretically possible.
Tero P. Mustalahti
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KimPateman
>Tank vets talking of being in combat against late war ( green, almost
>untrained ) german infantry mention how they'd be prone to firing at
>beyond effective range and they could see fausts fly up in the air...
>drop to the ground ahead of their tanks.
I believe these were mainly Home Guard (Volksturm) rather than regular
infantry?
Kim
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KimPateman
>Tank vets talking of being in combat against late war ( green, almost
>untrained ) german infantry mention how they'd be prone to firing at
>beyond effective range and they could see fausts fly up in the air...
>drop to the ground ahead of their tanks.
I believe these were mainly Home Guard (Volksturm) rather than regular
infantry?
Kim
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