How many USAF Bombers landed in Sweden
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How many returned back before the war was over?
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>How many USAF Bombers landed in Sweden during the war.
>How many returned back before the war was over?
None that I know of landed, and certainly none should have returned,
since it was the duty of non-belligerents to seize the aircraft and
intern the crew for the duration. The latter part was sometimes winked
at, but I can't think of any cases of combat aircraft returning from a
neutral country.
Switzerland was more often the neutral country sought out by a damaged
bomber.
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casita
> How many USAF Bombers landed in Sweden during the war.
By the summer of 1944 there were 94 8th Air Force crews interned in Sweden.
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ch...@heisei.com
>How many USAF Bombers landed in Sweden during the war.
>How many returned back before the war was over?
A total of 124 US bombers made normal, emergency or belly landings in
Sweden between July 24 1943 and the end of the war. None were returned
until after the war.
As an aside, on March 6 1944 the "Memphis Belle" landed on the island
of Gotland.
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WalterM140
>Sweden between July 24 1943 and the end of the war. None were returned
>until after the war.
>
>As an aside, on March 6 1944 the "Memphis Belle" landed on the island
>of Gotland.
And your source for either of these data?
The figure of 94 USAAF heavy bombers landing in Sweden -prior- to the
summer of
1944 is generally accepted. After the invasion, the practice fell off
dramatically.
As to the Memphis Belle, you're kidding, right? The crew of the
Memphis
Belle and the aircraft itself were returned to the USA in the summer
of 1943.
After a bond tour, the crew dispersed and the aircraft was reassigned.
It's
distinctive markings were all painted out. It ceased being the
"Memphis Belle."
It was after the war that a Memphis newspaper man saw the aircraft and
recognized its serial number. It was then acquired by the city of
Memphis,
Tennesssee, where it is still to this day memorialized.
There was no "Memphis Belle" in 1944.
Walt
Walt
ch...@heisei.com
wrote:
>And your source for either of these data?
"Nödlandning" (Emergency Landing) by by Swedish Air Historic Research
and B. Widfeldt & R. Wegmann. 1998. ISBN 91-971605-6-3. AFAIK, not
translated into English.
>The figure of 94 USAAF heavy bombers landing in Sweden -prior- to the
>summer of
>1944 is generally accepted. After the invasion, the practice fell off
>dramatically.
The last US bomber to land in Sweden, was a B-17G-95-BO, ser.no.
43-388814, S/G 336/95, "Cadet Nurse the 2nd".
Landed at Malmö on April 4 1945 after a bombing raid on Kiel. Crew
safe, aircraft returned to UK 1945.
Between June 6 1944 and this date, a total of 77 US bombers landed in
Sweden.
>As to the Memphis Belle, you're kidding, right? The crew of the
>Memphis
>Belle and the aircraft itself were returned to the USA in the summer
>of 1943.
>After a bond tour, the crew dispersed and the aircraft was reassigned.
>It's
>distinctive markings were all painted out. It ceased being the
>"Memphis Belle."
>It was after the war that a Memphis newspaper man saw the aircraft and
>recognized its serial number. It was then acquired by the city of
>Memphis,
>Tennesssee, where it is still to this day memorialized.
>
> There was no "Memphis Belle" in 1944.
Sorry, I made an error here. The aircraft's full name was "Memphis
Belle, Liberty Lady", B-17G-10-VE, ser.no. 42-40006, S/G 368/306.
Landed at Mästermyr, Gotland at 1655 hrs after a raid on Berlin. Crew
safe, aircraft scrapped.
The book's index of landed aircraft is set in chronological order with
no regard to nationality or type. Therefore, some minor adding
error(s) may have occurred when picking out US bombers only from this
index.
ch...@heisei.com
wrote:
>And your source for either of these data?
"Nödlandning" (Emergency Landing) by by Swedish Air Historic Research
and B. Widfeldt & R. Wegmann. 1998. ISBN 91-971605-6-3. AFAIK, not
translated into English.
>The figure of 94 USAAF heavy bombers landing in Sweden -prior- to the
>summer of
>1944 is generally accepted. After the invasion, the practice fell off
>dramatically.
The last US bomber to land in Sweden, was a B-17G-95-BO, ser.no.
43-388814, S/G 336/95, "Cadet Nurse the 2nd".
Landed at Malmö on April 4 1945 after a bombing raid on Kiel. Crew
safe, aircraft returned to UK 1945.
Between June 6 1944 and this date, a total of 77 US bombers landed in
Sweden.
>As to the Memphis Belle, you're kidding, right? The crew of the
>Memphis
>Belle and the aircraft itself were returned to the USA in the summer
>of 1943.
>After a bond tour, the crew dispersed and the aircraft was reassigned.
>It's
>distinctive markings were all painted out. It ceased being the
>"Memphis Belle."
>It was after the war that a Memphis newspaper man saw the aircraft and
>recognized its serial number. It was then acquired by the city of
>Memphis,
>Tennesssee, where it is still to this day memorialized.
>
> There was no "Memphis Belle" in 1944.
Sorry, I made an error here. The aircraft's full name was "Memphis
Belle, Liberty Lady", B-17G-10-VE, ser.no. 42-40006, S/G 368/306.
Landed at Mästermyr, Gotland at 1655 hrs after a raid on Berlin. Crew
safe, aircraft scrapped.
The book's index of landed aircraft is set in chronological order with
no regard to nationality or type. Therefore, some minor adding
error(s) may have occurred when picking out US bombers only from this
index.
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casita
> Between June 6 1944 and this date, a total of 77 US bombers landed in
Sweden.
Does the book say how many RAF bombers landed in Sweden?
There's a book called "Making for Sweden" ISBN 1871187370.
"This unique volume explores the relationship between the USAAF abd Sweden
during WW2. More than 1 400 US airmen landed in Sweden or its coastal waters
during the war."
Switzerland was also a popular destination.
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ch...@heisei.com
wrote:
>And your source for either of these data?
=20
"N=F6dlandning" (Emergency Landing) by by Swedish Air Historic
Research
and B. Widfeldt & R. Wegmann. 1998. ISBN 91-971605-6-3. AFAIK, not
translated into English.
>The figure of 94 USAAF heavy bombers landing in Sweden -prior- to the
>summer of
>1944 is generally accepted. After the invasion, the practice fell off
>dramatically.
The last US bomber to land in Sweden, was a B-17G-95-BO, ser.no.
43-388814, S/G 336/95, "Cadet Nurse the 2nd".
Landed at Malm=F6 on April 4 1945 after a bombing raid on Kiel. Crew
safe, aircraft returned to UK 1945.
Between June 6 1944 and this date, a total of 77 US bombers landed in
Sweden.
>As to the Memphis Belle, you're kidding, right? The crew of the
>Memphis
>Belle and the aircraft itself were returned to the USA in the summer
>of 1943.=20
>After a bond tour, the crew dispersed and the aircraft was reassigned.
>It's
>distinctive markings were all painted out. It ceased being the
>"Memphis Belle."
>It was after the war that a Memphis newspaper man saw the aircraft and
>recognized its serial number. It was then acquired by the city of
>Memphis,
>Tennesssee, where it is still to this day memorialized.
>
> There was no "Memphis Belle" in 1944.
Sorry, I made an error here. The aircraft's full name was "Memphis
Belle, Liberty Lady", B-17G-10-VE, ser.no. 42-40006, S/G 368/306.
Landed at M=E4stermyr, Gotland at 1655 hrs after a raid on Berlin.
Lech K. Lesiak
> intern the crew for the duration. The latter part was sometimes winked
> at, but I can't think of any cases of combat aircraft returning from a
> neutral country.
Technically you are probably correct. However, the Brits flew
Mosquitoes
to Sweden to carry diplomatic mail, and also the odd person. I got
this
from the memoirs of the Brit who was the naval attache in Sweden at
the
time. He made a couple of flights to London in Mossies.
Lech
Calgary
Mats Persson
> How many USAF Bombers landed in Sweden during the war.
> How many returned back before the war was over?
>
>
>
Making for Sweden : the story of the allied airmen who took sanctuary
in
neutral Sweden, part 2,
by Rolph Wegmann and Bo Widfeldt.
Walton on Thames : Air Research Publ. 1997-1998
http://www.crecy.co.uk/
http://www.crecy.co.uk/mfs2.htm
According to the Swedish edition of 1998; some 158 US bombers landed
or crashed i Sweden.
Mats Persson
< m95...@mtek.chalmers.se>
http://www.mtek.chalmers.se/~m95perm/
Mats Persson
>
> How many USAF Bombers landed in Sweden during the war.
> How many returned back before the war was over?
>
I recommend the book:
Making for Sweden : the story of the allied airmen who took sanctuary
in neutral Sweden, part 2,
by Rolph Wegmann and Bo Widfeldt.
Air Research Publ. Walton on Thames 1997-1998
Available from:
http://www.crecy.co.uk/
http://www.crecy.co.uk/mfs2.htm
Or - if you rater prefer one of the Swedish editions:
Nödlandning Sverige : utländska nödlandningar i Sverige 1939-1945,
Nässjö 1991
Nödlandning : främmande flyg i Sverige under andra världskriget,
Nässjö 1998
According to the later 158 US bomb-planes landed or crashed in Sweden.
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John Halliwell
<lkle...@calcna.ab.ca> writes
>Technically you are probably correct. However, the Brits flew
>Mosquitoes
>to Sweden to carry diplomatic mail, and also the odd person.
These Mossies were civilian aircraft without armament and flying under
the banner of BOAC. The Mossie was chosen because it was just about
the
best bet to avoid getting shot down on the trip.
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John
Preston, Lancs, UK.
Bob Hart
"Lech K. Lesiak" r wrote:
>
> Technically you are probably correct. However, the Brits flew
> Mosquitoes
> to Sweden to carry diplomatic mail, and also the odd person. I got
> this
> from the memoirs of the Brit who was the naval attache in Sweden at
> the
> time. He made a couple of flights to London in Mossies.
>
registered
on the civil register to BOAC, the British Civilian airline. Thus they
were
able to claim them as airliners and thus maintain the civil air link
with
Sweden, just as the Germans were using civil registered JU52 and FW200
as
Lufthansa civil airliners right up to the very end. Someone on a post
recently mentioned the last Lufthansa flight was from Germany to
Denmark in
early April 45. Exact details escape me for the moment.
hope this helps
Bob Hart
casitaman
> According to the Swedish edition of 1998; some
Is there any indication of how many were killed in the crashes? If 158
US
bombers landed
or crashed in Sweden, and more than 1 400 men suvived, these bombers
must
have been very crash worthy.
casitaman
> According to the Swedish edition of 1998; some
Is there any indication of how many were killed in the crashes? If 158 US
bombers landed
John Halliwell
<cas...@home.com> writes
'The Right of the Line', John Terraine, ISBN 1-85326-683-3 gives the
following figures:
13 RAF aircraft crashed or landed in Switzerland during the war:
8 Lancs
4 Mossies
1 Wellington
Only one of the Mossies landed intact, one other aircraft landed but was
a write off, all the rest crashed.
As for the 70 aircrew involved:
1 bailed out over Germany to be a POW
36 were killed/missing in crashes
33 were interned
For Sweden:
64 aircraft in total including:
7 civilian (BOAC) shot down by the LW or crashed
3 Fleet Air Arm (all wrecked)
3 Photo Recce (2 wrecked, 1 forced down by Swedish Air Force)
1 TAF Mustang that got lost (wreck)
17 Mossies (11 total wrecks, 1 broken for spares, 5 sold to Swedish AF)
20 Lancs (all wrecks/never recovered)
13 Bombers of other types (all wrecks)
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John
Preston, Lancs, UK.
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M.Blackmore
(Lech K. Lesiak) wrote:
> However, the Brits flew Mosquitoes to Sweden to carry diplomatic mail, >
and also the odd person.
Those were civil flights weren't they? BOAC, which succeeded Imperial
Airways (I think the name changed during WW2). Civil reg, therefore exempt
from any stuff about belligerants landing on neutral territory. I briefly
met someone who flew on some of these 30 or so years back, acquaintance of
a relative.
Granted the idea of a stripped down Mosquito as an "airliner" does take a
bit of getting used to. But it was, without a shadow of a doubt, the
fastest airliner in existence until the advent of the Comet :-)
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ch...@heisei.com
<lkle...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote:
>Technically you are probably correct. However, the Brits flew
>Mosquitoes
>to Sweden to carry diplomatic mail, and also the odd person. I got
>this
>from the memoirs of the Brit who was the naval attache in Sweden at
>the
>time. He made a couple of flights to London in Mossies.
These Mosquitoes (and Hudsons, Lodestars, Whitleys, Dakotas) were
civilian aircraft, belonging to and crewed by BOAC (probably a paper
ownership only as they to a great extent were manned by Norwegians).
Both UK/BOAC and - from 1944 - USA/AATS and operated courier flights
between Leuchars and Stockholm. Later, the AATS moved from Leuchars to
Metfield in East Anglia.
Germany operated courier flights across Swedish territory
(Norway-Finland and Germany-Finland). These flights were supposed to
be carried out as far as possible by civilian aircraft & crew,
otherwise with unarmed military aircraft.
Lufthansa operated a daily, except Sundays, passenger service (Route
8) from Berlin to Stockholm througout the war, using Ju-52, DC-3 and
FW-200. The last flight was on May 2 1945.
Starting in March 1941, Lufthansa also operated a service (Route 5)
Oslo-Stockholm-Finland (and, for a short while only, Riga), using
mainly DC-3.
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Mats Persson
Yes - the number of casualties are listed.
Unfortunately I don't have the book in my possession,
I might have the time to make a stop at the local library tomorrow.
As far as I can remember few US airman were killed in these crashes.
Although not knowing much about aviation I would guess that if they
made
it over the Baltic sea the pilot must still have been able to
manoeuvre
his plane to some extent.
I also believe that in most cases the rest of the crew bail
out before the pilot crashed or belly-landed his aircraft.
Mats Persson
Yes - the number of casualties are listed.
Unfortunately I don't have the book in my possession,
I might have the time to make a stop at the local library tomorrow.
As far as I can remember few US airman were killed in these crashes.
Although not knowing much about aviation I would guess that if they made
it over the Baltic sea the pilot must still have been able to manoeuvre
his plane to some extent.
I also believe that in most cases the rest of the crew bail
out before the pilot crashed or belly-landed his aircraft.
Mats Persson
Sorry - I was wrong, it was only 126 US bombers
(62 B24's and 64 B17's) that landed or crashed in Sweden.
When they entered Swedish air space they had a crew of 1234,
1160 landed or parachuted safely,
31 KIA,
10 MIA,
33 injured.
That is - if I got the facts in the book right.
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