Mosley knighted?
shan...@clubhouse.email.net
I was reading a biography of British Royal family which included
something about the abdicated King Edward, a Nazi sympathiser and
great friend of Mosley the British Fascist leader of 1930's and 40's.
The book refers to Mosley as "Sir" Mosley.
Unbelivable as it may seem, was he knighted? Or maybe he married
to royalty due to his close contact with the abdicatec King?
I am very curious about how a traitor can get a "Sir" title.
tahnks
shankar
Andrew Willett
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The "Sir" was inherited from his father, Mosley was a baronet- a minor form
of nobility (in fact not strictly nobility at all). This honour was invented
sometime in the 17th century, being originally connected with the protestant
plantation of Ulster. I don't know how many generations back Mosley's
baronetcy went- it was an honour often given to minor politicians because
about all it entitles you to is the title "Sir".
I presume there _is_ a way of depriving someone of a baronetcy, but it was
probably thought too complicated to bother with (it would probably require a
special Act of Parliament).
EPotter
money. As for depriving Mosley of the inherited knighthood, there was no
great sentiment to do so, as he was not a typical fascist.
Phil Mc Carty
>
> Hi,
> I was reading a biography of British Royal family which included
> something about the abdicated King Edward, a Nazi sympathiser and
> great friend of Mosley the British Fascist leader of 1930's and 40's.
> The book refers to Mosley as "Sir" Mosley.
> Unbelivable as it may seem, was he knighted? Or maybe he married
> to royalty due to his close contact with the abdicatec King?
> I am very curious about how a traitor can get a "Sir" title.
>
> tahnks
> shankar
illustration is think of the kinghts of the Round Table; Knighthood
attaches to your first name, eg 'Sir John Smith', not 'Sir Smith' - a
typical Americanism error.
Second point; Mosley was not knighted by the King; he was a Baronet -
son of a baron or equivalent, and his knighthood was hereditary.
Therefore 'Sir Oswald Moseley Bart.'
Hope that helps!
Phil
Donald Phillipson
> money. As for depriving Mosley of the inherited knighthood, there was no
> great sentiment to do so, as he was not a typical fascist.
"Not a typical fascist" is a non-standard usage. Mosley founded
and headed the British Union of Fascists. When opponents said
this was copying a repulsive foreign party, Mosley claimed
British fascism was specifically national in character (like
German and Italian fascism) and BUF members were Britons first
and Fascists second. This seems theoretically plausible.
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Connal Townsend
knighthood. It is a baronetcy. Both knights and baronets use the prefix
"Sir". Baronetcies are hereditary, knighthoods are not.
Baronets are not usually sons of Barons. All sons of barons use the prefix
"Honourable" or "Hon." for short. The eldest son becomes the next Baron
when his father dies.
Sir Oswald Ernald Mosley was the 6th Baronet. The title was originally
created in 1781. His father, also called Sir Oswald, was the 5th Baronet.
His son, the current 7th Baronet, is better known as Nicholas Mosley, the
novelist. Sir Nicholas was born in 1923. Although he seems to use the
title but infrequently, Sir Nicholas is also the 3rd Baron Ravensdale.
However Nicholas inherited that title from his mother Lady Cynthia Curzon.
Lady Cynthia (or Lady Mosley as she was known when she was married to Sir
Oswald) was the 2nd daughter of the 1st and last Marquess Curzon of
Kedleston and 1st Baron Ravensdale, sometime Viceroy of India. Lady
Cynthia died in 1933. When Lord Curzon died the Marquessate died with him,
but his Baronry passed to his elder daughter Lady Mary Curzon. Mary the
(2nd) Baroness Ravensdale in her own right died in 1966 and that title
passed to her nephew, Nicholas.
Thus for a number of years Sir Oswald enjoyed the baronetcy (in that
strange twilight world between knighthoods and the peerage or nobility
proper), whilst his son was an actual peer with a full baronage.
EPotter
Phillipson) wrote:
Mosley claimed
> British fascism was specifically national in character (like
> German and Italian fascism) and BUF members were Britons first
> and Fascists second. This seems theoretically plausible.
He seems somewhat a tragic figure to me, more inadequate than vicious,
very different from opportunists such as the United States' Dudley Pelham
and his Silvershirts. That Hitler did not like him is not necessarily
damning.