Hitler's relatives still alive?
aldrin
I understand Hitler had brothers and sisters, but all of them bar one didn't
live past a young age? What happened to the one that did live? Are there
people around today related to him? Does Eva Braun have relatives around
today?
Cheers
Aldrin
bekadubya
half-relations from a previous marriage by Hitlers father. She died in the
1950s and I believe was childless. If so, Hitler has no surviving direct
blood relatives.
aldrin wrote in message <378b...@news1.vip.uk.com>...
Bill Shatzer
"bekadubya" <bdwr...@erols.com> wrote:
> Hitler had a little sister who, upon the death of their parents, was
raised
> half-relations from a previous marriage by Hitlers father. She died in
the
> 1950s and I believe was childless. If so, Hitler has no surviving
direct
> blood relatives.
Paula was Hitler's younger sister.
Hitler also had a half-brother and half-sister, Alois, Jr. and
Angela, from an earlier marriage of his father Alois. Both
Angela and Alois, Jr. had children - indeed, Geli Raubal, with
whom Hitler was rumored to have had some sort of "relationship"
and who was found shot to death in Hitler's apartment with Hitler's
pistol in 1931 was Angela's daughter and Hitler's neice. The
official verdict at the time was suicide but questions continue
to be raised about whether Geli was murdered - either by
Hitler himself or at his direction.
Geli had at least one sister who survived her although I'm
unaware of either her fate or Angela's. William Patrick
Hitler, son of Alois, Jr. apparently survived the war and
was alive as late as the 1970's.
> aldrin wrote in message <378b...@news1.vip.uk.com>...
> >I understand Hitler had brothers and sisters, but all of them bar one
didn't
> >live past a young age? What happened to the one that did live?
>
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sixties. His half brother Alois had several children and some of them must
be alive. Alois's first marriage to Bridgette resulted in a son "Patrick"
born in Liverpool and died in U.S.. He had served in the US forces in the
war after leaving Europe in the late 1930's. He had spent some time in
Germany with his uncle.
Eva Braun's sister Gretl who married SS General Fegelein in June 1944 had a
child who I believe was named "Eva" and apparently committed suicied in the
seventies. I also believe that Gretl was alive in the early ninties.
Any more up to date information would be interesting.
Ann
aldrin <ald...@tinyonline.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I understand Hitler had brothers and sisters, but all of them bar one didn't
Rob Davis
>I believe that Hitler's half sister died at Berchtesgarten in the early
Is "Hitler" still used as a German surname?
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Rob Davis MSc MIAP
Telford Shropshire UK
Dirk Lorek
>Is "Hitler" still used as a German surname?
Although I am speculating, I'm totally convinced that today you will
find no Germans or Austrians with the surnames Hitler, Himmler,
Bormann, Goebbels, or Goering. But I would be interested if there
exists any Heydrichs, Kaltenbrunners, Ribbentrops or Eichmanns. Anyone
having a German telephone catalog on CD? I know that the Mengeles
havn't changed their name (surprisingly), and I would not be surprised
if the Hess, Dvnitz, Keitel and Jodel families did not change there
names either.
Dirk
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Jeff Riddolls
>rob....@wlv.ac.uk (Rob Davis) wrote:
>
>>Is "Hitler" still used as a German surname?
>
>Although I am speculating, I'm totally convinced that today you will
>find no Germans or Austrians with the surnames Hitler, Himmler,
>Bormann, Goebbels, or Goering.
A quick search of a German Yellow Pages website (i.e., business
listings only, not residences) shows dozens or hundreds of listings
for all of the above, except, not surprisingly, "Hitler."
Alex W.-Ribeiro
Jeff Riddolls schrieb:
<Snip>
> A quick search of a German Yellow Pages website (i.e., business
Maybe you should've looked up Austria instead? Adolf Hitler had been an
austrian originally, as some other Nazi "celebrities".
Regards, Alex.
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the voice switch. "...Prothector vincit damn the torpedoes and flaring
suns like eyes three starboard two at zenith..." (R.Zelazny, Itself
surprised)
Bill Shatzer
DiL...@pobox.com wrote:
> rob....@wlv.ac.uk (Rob Davis) wrote:
>
> >Is "Hitler" still used as a German surname?
>
> Although I am speculating, I'm totally convinced that today you will
> find no Germans or Austrians with the surnames Hitler, Himmler,
> Bormann, Goebbels, or Goering.
You can reach Adolf Hittler himself of Landeck, Tirol, Austria
at 05442 67883 according to the Austrian National online phonebook.
There are at least 8 Goerings in Austria and far, far, far, too
many Himmlers to count.
I couldn't figure out just how to use the German online white
pages but I suspect the name totals would be roughly similar.
Cheers and all,
Jim Erickson
> DiL...@pobox.com wrote:
> > Although I am speculating, I'm totally convinced that today you will
> > find no Germans or Austrians with the surnames Hitler, Himmler,
> > Bormann, Goebbels, or Goering.
Just for the fun of it. A few years ago we had a couple apply to one of
our graduate programs. His surname was Hermann and her's was Goering (or
visa versa). The "Hermann-Goering's" went elsewhere.
Jim Erickson
Alex W.-Ribeiro
Dirk Lorek schrieb:
>
> rob....@wlv.ac.uk (Rob Davis) wrote:
>
> >Is "Hitler" still used as a German surname?
>
> Although I am speculating, I'm totally convinced that today you will
> find no Germans or Austrians with the surnames Hitler, Himmler,
> Bormann, Goebbels, or Goering.
As the name "Goebbels" is existent in lots of variations, it just was
very easy to adopt another spelling variant ("Goebels" e.g.) or just
substitute the "oe" by the german "ö" variant. Goering still exists as a
name.
> But I would be interested if there
> exists any Heydrichs, Kaltenbrunners, Ribbentrops or Eichmanns. Anyone
> having a German telephone catalog on CD? I know that the Mengeles
> havn't changed their name (surprisingly),
Quite a popular name as it is in Swabia in southwestern Germany, it is
very unlikely that large parts of the population changed their name. i
guess the name "Booth" i.e. is still used in contemporaray US?
> and I would not be surprised
> if the Hess, Dvnitz, Keitel and Jodel families did not change there
Here are two small typos in. It's "Doenitz" and "Jodl", though from the
latter there also exist variants. And "Hess" e.g. is still a common name
in Germany AFAIK.
Graham Pendreigh
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: Although I am speculating, I'm totally convinced that today you will
I know Himmlers (no relation) in Bavaria.
Graham
E.F.Schelby
>rob....@wlv.ac.uk (Rob Davis) wrote:
>
>>Is "Hitler" still used as a German surname?
Apparently the name isn't used as an American one. Ostracism can
effectively paralyze civil rights.
>Although I am speculating, I'm totally convinced that today you will
>find no Germans or Austrians with the surnames Hitler,
I can't give you a reference because I didn't keep the article,
but I read that there were a dozen or so people with the name Hitler
(no relation) in the New York phonebook before the war. After the
war there were none.
ES
Henri H. Arsenault
rob....@wlv.ac.uk (Rob Davis) wrote:
> Is "Hitler" still used as a German surname?
Hitler was not his real name (It was Schickelbruker or something like
that, and he thought that Hitler would sound better). As far as I know, no
one was ever called Hitler, so it is difficult to imagine how the name
could "survive". By the way, the same goes for Stalin, who adopted that
name (man of steel) after the Russian revolution.
Henri
Phillip McGregor
>In article <37b4cbd8...@news.curie.dialix.com.au>,
>rob....@wlv.ac.uk (Rob Davis) wrote:
>
>> Is "Hitler" still used as a German surname?
>
>Hitler was not his real name (It was Schickelbruker or something like
Hitler *was* indeed his real name. It is astounding that people still believe differently.
There was some doubt about the right of his father to the Hitler name, dubious parentage,
and the spelling changed somewhat over the generations, but Hitler was, indeed, a Hitler.
Read any decent Bio of the man and you will find all of this and more.
Phil
efr...@mocha.memphis.edu
> Hitler was not his real name (It was Schickelbruker or something like
Hitler was his legal name, and he was born with it.
His father, IIRC, had to establish that he was the
son of a Hitler (Schiklgruber was AH's father's
mother's name).
> As far as I know, no
> one was ever called Hitler, so it is difficult to imagine how the name
> could "survive".
You don't know very far.
> By the way, the same goes for Stalin, who adopted that
> name (man of steel) after the Russian revolution.
Totally different cases. Hitler is an old Bohemian
name, not common perhaps, but a real family name.
"Stalin" (man of steel) was an invented name, playing
on the traditional Bolshie Germanophilia.
Ed Frank
Henri H. Arsenault
> Is "Hitler" still used as a German surname?
Hitler was not his real name (It was Schickelbruker or something like
that, and he thought that Hitler would sound better). As far as I know, no
one was ever called Hitler, so it is difficult to imagine how the name
could "survive". By the way, the same goes for Stalin, who adopted that
name (man of steel) after the Russian revolution.
Henri
Bill Shatzer
> > Is "Hitler" still used as a German surname?
> Hitler was not his real name (It was Schickelbruker or something like
> that, and he thought that Hitler would sound better). As far as I
know, no
> one was ever called Hitler, so it is difficult to imagine how the name
> could "survive".
I'm afraid you are a bit confused on this one. Adolf Hitler
was the son of Alois Hitler and thus bore the Hitler name from
birth.
Alois, Adolf's father, was illegitimate and originally bore his
mother's last name - Schicklgrueber. However, in a later somewhat
controversal proceeding, a George Hitler (or Hittler or Heidler -
they were a bit sloppy about spelling in those days) acknowledged
Alois as his child and Alois took on the name Hitler which he
used for the rest of his life. Alois was most certainly named
"Hitler" when he married Klara, Hitler's mother and when Adolf
was born.
Cheers and all,
Bill Shatzer
KD
Henri H. Arsenault wrote in message
<37c5b570...@news.curie.dialix.com.au>...
>In article <37b4cbd8...@news.curie.dialix.com.au>,
>rob....@wlv.ac.uk (Rob Davis) wrote:
>
>> Is "Hitler" still used as a German surname?
>
>Hitler was not his real name (It was Schickelbruker or something like
>that, and he thought that Hitler would sound better). As far as I know, no
>one was ever called Hitler, so it is difficult to imagine how the name
>name (man of steel) after the Russian revolution.
Not true on both counts. Hitler is a surname in Germany and some people
still use it (though, obviously, not many). And Hitler was Adolph's real
last name. I think his father was illegitimate and his paternal
grandfather's last name was Schickelgruber, so if that marriage had taken
place his grandson would be Adolf Schickelgruber (who, almost certainly,
would not have become chancellor of Germany unless he'd changed his name).
Gord McFee
02:09:00 GMT, asp...@curie.dialix.oz.au (Phillip McGregor) wrote:
[...]
> >Hitler was not his real name (It was Schickelbruker or something like
> Hitler *was* indeed his real name. It is astounding that people still
> believe differently.
Exactly. Hitler's father's name was Schickelgruber (his mother's maiden
name), until he had it legally changed to Hitler in 1876, fully 13 years
before Adolf Hitler was born. And the two most likely candidates for
Hitler's grandfather were two brothers - named Hiedler and Huettler -
both of which linguistically resolve to Hitler.
--
Gord McFee
I'll write no line before its time
Henri H. Arsenault
sch...@physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz) wrote:
> wasn't it before the revolution, as a cover name during his illegal
> activities in Tsarist Russia?
>
No, he used another name during that time, and took the name Stalin
later.Sorry about the misinformation about Hitler.
Henri
efr...@mocha.memphis.edu
> sch...@physik.tu-berlin.de (Georg Schwarz) wrote:
>> wasn't it before the revolution, as a cover name during his illegal
>> activities in Tsarist Russia?
> No, he used another name during that time,
I think his early pseudonym was "Koba."
> and took the name Stalin later.
I'm not sure when, but it may have been after the
emergence of "Trotsky" (born Bronstein). "Stalin,"
or man of steel (based on the Russian word for
steel, which is itself a loan-word from German)
had the advantage of being usable in German
(the language of choice among the Bolsheviki):
"Stahl gegen Trotz" or Steel against Words
>Sorry about the misinformation about Hitler.
You can admit you were wrong, and that's good.
Ed Frank
Georg Schwarz
> Hitler was not his real name (It was Schickelbruker or something like
no, it was, from the very day of his birth on.
> that, and he thought that Hitler would sound better). As far as I know, no
this is an old, often repeated propaganda lie by Hitler's oponents. It's
still plain false.
> one was ever called Hitler, so it is difficult to imagine how the name
wrong. Hitler had quite a few relatives, and probably there were also
other families with that name (and maybe still are). It's a pretty rare
name though.
> could "survive". By the way, the same goes for Stalin, who adopted that
> name (man of steel) after the Russian revolution.
wasn't it before the revolution, as a cover name during his illegal
activities in Tsarist Russia?
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she passed away a long time ago. He probably also has relatives
somewhere with the name "Schicklgrueber" or "Ploezl", which was his
mother's maiden name. Shicklgrueber was changed to Hitler by his
father, Alois.