Frescos in churches .
Grethe Bachmann
It´s not for professional use - but only for a home page
I´m preparing where I among other things have photos
and descriptions of some churches in DK.
It´s about wall-paintings in a church. Do you call them
wall-paintings - or frescos ? There is also another name
_mural_ , but as far as I can see a mural is only a small
fresco or a part of a whole picture?
In the books about architecture you also call the paintings
just water-colours.
What is the best?
Another question:
Sometimes there have been a convent or a monastery
connected to a church. Is it okay to call them by one
name: Abbey?
Kind regards
Grethe
Sollers
plaster. The paint bonds in to the plaster and is as permanent as you can
get.
"Mural" is any painting done on a wall and is "posh" for "wall-paiinting"
(which might be mistaken for whitewashing it for purely protective purposes)
Terminology on monasteries etc is complicated. Anywhere a number of monks
live is strictly a monastery; an abbey is an establishment headed by an
abbot. If you really want complicated, many establishments in England wre
called "minsters" (eg York Minster) which is a corruption of "monasterium",
or "monastery".
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> I hope you can help me with the following question.
> It愀 not for professional use - but only for a home page
> I惴 preparing where I among other things have photos
> and descriptions of some churches in DK.
>
> It愀 about wall-paintings in a church. Do you call them
E. C. Lee
> It´s not for professional use - but only for a home page
> I´m preparing where I among other things have photos
> and descriptions of some churches in DK.
>
> It´s about wall-paintings in a church. Do you call them
> wall-paintings - or frescos ? There is also another name
> _mural_ , but as far as I can see a mural is only a small
> fresco or a part of a whole picture?
> In the books about architecture you also call the paintings
> just water-colours.
> What is the best?
>
pigment becomes a permanent part of the plaster. It can be on a wall,
a ceiling, whatever.
Murals are pictures applied to wall surfaces, and aren't necessarily
frescos. I recall it was a fashion a while back to have wallpaper
murals in one's home. I've also seen murals painted on brick
surfaces, glass, etc. They can even be done with chalk or spray paint.
There are many famous mural cycles done in fresco. At the Arena
chapel in Padua, the Franciscan church at Assisi or Masacio's work at
Santa Maria del Carmine for example. In these cases you might be
thinking of the individual pictures as being a small part of a greater
work, but this is only because they are cycles, not because they are
murals.
Watercolors are pigments mixed with water rather than mixed with
something like oil. What most people think of as watercolor paintings
are usually watercolor paints applied to absorbant paper.
I would guess that what you are referring to in these churches are
probably frescoes. You can call them that. You can also call them
wall paintings when they are on walls. Murals could also work in that
context. I'd steer clear of watercolors though.
Hope that helps!
Eve
Tony Pratt
monasteries rather than the other way around unless you are talking
about the very large cathederals and even they started as abbey
churches usually.
Re terms for frescoes, yes frescoe is ok, her ewe usually refer to
them as "wallpaintings" - the plural distinguishes them from the use
of whitewash. There are some nice ones here in Wilthsire, although
nothing like they would have been in their prime.
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> "Grethe Bachmann" <grethe....@mail.tele.dk> wrote in message
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> > I hope you can help me with the following question.
> > I惴 preparing where I among other things have photos
> > and descriptions of some churches in DK.
> >
Thanks to you Eve and to the others for your help.
I should have told you that in DK we have a word for these paintings.
"Kalkmalerier" (chalk-paintings) because they are painted on a chalked
wall. And I couldn愒 find a word in English I was sure of.
In one of the churches most of the chalk-paintings had been
whitewashed and were discovered 200 years later in 1936 - and then
they were gently restored. And so are many of the frescos in these
churches - either wholy restored or partly restored because they
were too ruined.
The churches I especially go for are the small village churches. Many
of them are so pretty - both as for their placing in the landscape and
their interior. And the old history connected is often very exciting.
As for the convents and monasteries. The churches I talked about in that
connection are remains from convents and monasteries, so I惻l just
refer to their origin.
Best wishes
Grethe
Soren Larsen
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>
> > I would guess that what you are referring to in these churches are
> > probably frescoes. You can call them that. You can also call them
> > wall paintings when they are on walls. Murals could also work in that
> > context. I'd steer clear of watercolors though.
> >
I've had the same problem and I think the choice is between 'wall paintings
and 'murals'. The pictures in question are done both al fresco and al secco.
>
> Thanks to you Eve and to the others for your help.
>
> I should have told you that in DK we have a word for these paintings.
> "Kalkmalerier" (chalk-paintings) because they are painted on a chalked
> wall. And I couldn´t find a word in English I was sure of.
> In one of the churches most of the chalk-paintings had been
> whitewashed and were discovered 200 years later in 1936 - and then
> they were gently restored. And so are many of the frescos in these
> churches - either wholy restored or partly restored because they
> were too ruined.
> The churches I especially go for are the small village churches. Many
> of them are so pretty - both as for their placing in the landscape and
> their interior. And the old history connected is often very exciting.
>
> As for the convents and monasteries. The churches I talked about in that
> connection are remains from convents and monasteries, so I´ll just
> refer to their origin.
>
In the case you are not aware of this site then check out:
www.kalkmalerier.dk
Cheers
Soren
Grethe Bachmann
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Uwe Müller
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if You are interested in village churches You might like this link
http://www.fortunecity.de/lindenpark/tannen/100/index.html
village churches in the Teltow area of Brandenburg, Germany.
have fun
Uwe Mueller
Frank Martin
the frescos there are in splendid condition. So are
those in the tomb of Ramesses IV. Perhaps the frescos
in churches inherit these techniques. The Egyptians
laid down a coating of plaster and painted on to this.
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Martin Reboul
Frank Martin wrote ...
> When I was in Egypt I visited the tomb of Nefetari and
> the frescos there are in splendid condition. So are
> those in the tomb of Ramesses IV. Perhaps the frescos
> in churches inherit these techniques. The Egyptians
> laid down a coating of plaster and painted on to this
I was amazed by the survival of paintings there too.
In a ruined temple, open to the four winds, surrounded by sand and
unprotected from freezing nights and the scorching sun, statues still
remained painted after more than 2000 years. I was assured they hadn't
recently been 'touched up' either.
Those ads for the remarkable resilience of Sandtex on TV looked a little
lame after seeing that?
Cheers
Martin
Grethe Bachmann
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> When I was in Egypt I visited the tomb of Nefetari and
> the frescos there are in splendid condition. So are
> those in the tomb of Ramesses IV. Perhaps the frescos
> in churches inherit these techniques. The Egyptians
> laid down a coating of plaster and painted on to this.
>
Sorry to give such a late respons, but I have tried to find
out how they are restoring the frescos in our churches
today. No result yet.
It really must be a good experience to see it yourself. It's
fantastic how clever the Egyptians were. I often watch
some TV about Egypt on Discovery-channel. Their
sense of colours and beautiful material was fantastic.
Cheers
Grethe
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E. C. Lee
If you are interested, I know of a wonderful book that discusses the
significance of color and material in Ancient Egyptian art. Although
much in Egyptian art looks the same to us, a lot it's meaning comes
through the variety of sizes, colors and materials used. This is a
different way of reading art than most of us are used to.
Let me know if you'd like me to dig up the title.
Eve