Church graffiti

Michael Kuettner

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Mar 23, 2013, 12:14:51 PM3/23/13

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For our friends in Norfolk and other interested parties :

<http://www.medieval-graffiti.co.uk/>

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

robert...@gmail.com

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Mar 23, 2013, 9:55:45 PM3/23/13

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I had no idea that the Spirograph was available so long ago?

a425couple

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Mar 25, 2013, 11:29:44 PM3/25/13

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"Michael Kuettner" <Michael....@gmx.at> wrote in message...

> For our friends in Norfolk and other interested parties :
> <http://www.medieval-graffiti.co.uk/>
> Cheers,

I note one set of ship drawings.
I see the top center ship certainly looks to have 3 masts.
Could someone more capable than I, in searching that
site, figure out if it ever determines a date of that drawing?

robert...@gmail.com

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Mar 27, 2013, 2:53:59 PM3/27/13

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Not an expert myself, but three masted ships came in well beyond medieval times IIRC?

Eric Stevens

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Mar 27, 2013, 5:15:08 PM3/27/13

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rOn Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:29:44 -0700, "a425couple"

I would guess 1500 to 1600. The distinctive features are:

The ship has a rudder

It carries a square sail on the mizzen with no sign of a fore
and aft rig. She is rigged for running down wind.

The profile of the bow is shaped by an add-on beak.

It has a steeply raked bow sprit.

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Regards,

Eric Stevens

a425couple

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Mar 28, 2013, 9:14:22 AM3/28/13

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<robert...@gmail.com> wrote in message...

> Not an expert myself, but three masted ships came in
> well beyond medieval times IIRC?

Well, from:
"How The West Grew Rich: The Economic Transformation Of The ... "
- Page 81 - Google Books Result
books.google.com/books?isbn=0465031099
Nathan Rosenberg, L. E.. Birdzell - 1987 - Business & Economics
"We do not know the name, nor even the nationality, of the inventor.
The first clear representation of a three-masted ship was on a
French medal of 1466, and we ..."

So, I'd not say "well beyond", but it was certainly
a sign that times were changing, and created great growth
in trade (development) and exploration.

(also, Thanks Eric.)

Eric Stevens

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Mar 28, 2013, 5:42:24 PM3/28/13

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On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 10:15:08 +1300, Eric Stevens
<eric.s...@sum.co.nz> wrote:

>rOn Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:29:44 -0700, "a425couple"
><a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Michael Kuettner" <Michael....@gmx.at> wrote in message...
>>> For our friends in Norfolk and other interested parties :
>>> <http://www.medieval-graffiti.co.uk/>
>>> Cheers,
>>
>>I note one set of ship drawings.
>>I see the top center ship certainly looks to have 3 masts.
>>Could someone more capable than I, in searching that
>>site, figure out if it ever determines a date of that drawing?
>
>I would guess 1500 to 1600. The distinctive features are:
>
> The ship has a rudder
>
> It carries a square sail on the mizzen with no sign of a fore
> and aft rig. She is rigged for running down wind.

I should have added that the significance of this is that she was
likely aimed at trans-Atlantic sailing.

>
> The profile of the bow is shaped by an add-on beak.
>
> It has a steeply raked bow sprit.

At later dates bow sprits tended to be flatter and shorter.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens