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Efithimia T. Leonardi

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Jan 19, 2001, 5:36:48 PM1/19/01
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Hello all,

While I know that Western hagiography was influenced
by the Byzantine style, what about architecture?
I really don't know of any outstanding examples.
TIA,

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Efthimia Kokotos Leonardi
eqk...@is2.nyu.edu

David Read

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Jan 20, 2001, 3:49:44 AM1/20/01
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In article <4k3a6.27$ig2...@typhoon.nyu.edu>, Efithimia T. Leonardi
<eqk...@is2.nyu.edu> writes

>
>Hello all,
>
>While I know that Western hagiography was influenced
>by the Byzantine style, what about architecture?
>I really don't know of any outstanding examples.
>TIA,
>

If you include Italy and Sicily as being "Western", Byzantine influence
in medieval architecture is easy enough to find, even from the years of
post-Byzantine rule. The most obvious example would be San Marco in
Venice.

cheers,
--
David Read

David C. Pugh

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Jan 20, 2001, 3:53:36 AM1/20/01
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David Read <da...@dreadful.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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I don't know whether round churches count as Byzantine in inspiration,
but there are several Western knock-offs of the Holy Sepulchre design.
I've been to two, one in Cambridge and one outside Segovia.

David


Renia

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Jan 20, 2001, 4:31:48 AM1/20/01
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David Read wrote:

> In article <4k3a6.27$ig2...@typhoon.nyu.edu>, Efithimia T. Leonardi
> <eqk...@is2.nyu.edu> writes
> >
> >Hello all,
> >
> >While I know that Western hagiography was influenced
> >by the Byzantine style, what about architecture?
> >I really don't know of any outstanding examples.
> >TIA,

If you wander around modern Athens, then in and amongst the proliferation of
modern buildings, there are many Byzantine Churches. I can even think of one
building where the dinkiest church nestles on the pavement (sidewalk) under
the building's awning, if that's quite the word.

Renia

Halstein Sjølie

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Jan 20, 2001, 9:20:04 AM1/20/01
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Isn't the San Marco coverd in stuff the Venetians "accuiered" in 1204?
The horses from the Hippodrome at least used to decorate it.

Halstein.


Raymond Spada

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Jan 20, 2001, 8:54:38 AM1/20/01
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Byzantine Artistic Paradigms had a strong initial influence in the West,
Especally ITALY. The MOSIAC work in Churchs--Especially at
Ravenna(St.Vitale), Venice(St. Marks), and Sicily(Monreale & Cefalu) was
almost certainly done by Byzantine craftsmen. The Artists who PRECEDED
Giotto---Duccio Di Buoninsegna,Bonaventura Berlingheri, and CIMABUE were
Strongly influenced by Byzantine Iconography and Techniques. Access to
Byzantine ideas came from the "Magna Grecia" regions of southern
Italy--- Until 1071, Part of Byzantium itself and home to a substantial
GREEK poplulation.As Venice expanded its trade with the east, It also
transmitted Byzantium's AESTHETIC VALUES westward also. Small wonder
that the RENNAISSANCE would start in Italy first---Where prolonged
exposure to the east through conquest,Trade,And culture; gave ITALY a
Precocious headstart.

rspada@web tv.net

David Read

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Jan 20, 2001, 12:33:35 PM1/20/01
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In article <3a699e0a.8938359@localhost>, Halstein Sjølie
<hals...@stud.ntnu.XX> writes

>Isn't the San Marco coverd in stuff the Venetians "accuiered" in 1204?
>The horses from the Hippodrome at least used to decorate it.

Indeed, although the original design for San Marco was taken from the
church of the Holy Apostles in Constantinople. Construction of San Marco
began in 1064.

cheers,
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David Read

Efithimia T. Leonardi

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Jan 20, 2001, 1:10:37 PM1/20/01
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Many thanks to one and all!


Raymond Spada <rsp...@webtv.net> wrote:
> Byzantine Artistic Paradigms had a strong initial influence in the West,
> Especally ITALY. The MOSIAC work in Churchs--Especially at
> Ravenna(St.Vitale), Venice(St. Marks), and Sicily(Monreale & Cefalu) was
> almost certainly done by Byzantine craftsmen. The Artists who PRECEDED
> Giotto---Duccio Di Buoninsegna,Bonaventura Berlingheri, and CIMABUE were
> Strongly influenced by Byzantine Iconography and Techniques

Yes, particularly in the use of halos and gold backgrounds.
Did the artists you mention use other media, i.e mosaics?

Access
to
> Byzantine ideas came from the "Magna Grecia" regions of southern
> Italy--- Until 1071, Part of Byzantium itself and home to a substantial
> GREEK poplulation.As Venice expanded its trade with the east, It also
> transmitted Byzantium's AESTHETIC VALUES westward also. Small wonder
> that the RENNAISSANCE would start in Italy first---Where prolonged
> exposure to the east through conquest,Trade,And culture; gave ITALY a
> Precocious headstart.

> rspada@web tv.net


Efithimia T. Leonardi

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Jan 20, 2001, 1:11:39 PM1/20/01
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> David

Thanks! WHen were they built?

David C. Pugh

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Jan 20, 2001, 3:06:39 PM1/20/01
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Efithimia T. Leonardi <eqk...@is2.nyu.edu> wrote in message
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The Round Church in Cambridge, I can't find a date for. Early 12th
century I think.

Vera Cruz, Segovia, was consecrated in 1208. Don't believe the
postcard that says Siglo XVII! It was a Templar church, later taken
over by the Knights of Malta.

David


Raymond Spada

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Jan 20, 2001, 3:00:22 PM1/20/01
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Efithimia wrote: "Did the artists you mention use other media i.e.
mosaics?"----Yes CIMABUE, The master of GIOTTO: Has one major work in
MOSAIC---"Saint John the evangelist" in the cathedral at Pisa. It has a
strong Byzantine format but is influenced somewhat by the contemperary
artistic currents of the time.

rspada@web tv.net

Paul J. Gans

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Jan 20, 2001, 3:44:55 PM1/20/01
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David C. Pugh <davi...@online.no> wrote:

I believe the one in Cambridge is a Templar church. The
Templar church in London is also round. The "regular"
structure attatched to it that houses so many memorials
to famous men is a much later addition. This is the
one containing the tombs of William the Marshall and some
members of his family.

I believe, but do not know for certain, that the style
was brought back from the Holy Land and this is very likely
ultimately Byzantine.

----- Paul J. Gans

Bryn Fraser

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Jan 20, 2001, 4:20:45 PM1/20/01
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In article <4ema6.12746$wt2.1...@news1.oke.nextra.no>, David C. Pugh
<davi...@online.no> writes

Thjodhild's church in Brattahild Greenland 10th-11th century.


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Pete Stretton

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Jan 21, 2001, 12:53:11 PM1/21/01
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In article <vxka6.11$Gn3...@typhoon.nyu.edu>,
Don't know about the Cambridge one, but the Church of the Holy
Sepulchre in Northampton, England, was built circa 1100, and is said to
be a copy of the Byzantine original.

Pete Stretton


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Dave Singer

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Feb 7, 2001, 4:01:34 PM2/7/01
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In article <95qc84$25it$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Frank Martin"
<gen...@netspace.net.au> wrote:

> Was the dome made of concrete?
> Frank
>

Not sure what dome you are talking of. Roman and Byzantine domes were
generally made of lightweight material to the greatest extent possible:
volcanic tufa, for example, or hollow fired clay tubes. The thickness
of the dome at the pantheon tapers significantly from base to apex, also
to save weight. I think (though I'd have to check my sources) that
concrete was part of the construction technique for roman/byzantine
domes, but not the only material.

David Read

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Feb 8, 2001, 5:55:32 AM2/8/01
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In article <singer-BDA2D5....@news.apple.com>, Dave Singer
<sin...@apple.com> writes

>Not sure what dome you are talking of. Roman and Byzantine domes were
>generally made of lightweight material to the greatest extent possible:
>volcanic tufa, for example, or hollow fired clay tubes. The thickness
>of the dome at the pantheon tapers significantly from base to apex, also
>to save weight. I think (though I'd have to check my sources) that
>concrete was part of the construction technique for roman/byzantine
>domes, but not the only material.

The 6th century mausoleum of Theodoric in Ravenna presents an
interesting early fusion of Roman and Gothic burial practices for high
status individuals. Whilst the design is essentially Roman in
appearance, the construction of its "dome" owed nothing to Roman or
Byzantine building techniques. Instead of the use of natural or
sophisticated lightweight materials, the dome was simply a 300 ton slab
of rock carved to shape. This has been speculated to have been a
deliberate and surpassing imitation of the megalithic tombs familiar to
Theodoric's ancestors. The question remains, of course, how did the
builders get it into position ?

cheers,
--
David Read

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