medieval content
erilar
CONTENT in soc.history.medieval as I open it this morning.
Personally, I'm still plodding through Stürmer's Fed 2 bio. It isn't the
German that slows me down so badly, it's the sentence length. 8-) Of
course, since this is hardly my first Fred 2 bio, I'm trying to skip the
less controversial parts, but I'm still only halfway through Volume II
and have to return it soon.
OK, it's hardly a discussion-starter, but it IS some medieval content.
--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)
Erilar's Cave Annex:
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
E. C. Lee
> The war obsession has really gone a bit far when there's NO MEDIEVAL
> CONTENT in soc.history.medieval as I open it this morning.
>
> Personally, I'm still plodding through Stürmer's Fed 2 bio. It isn't the
> German that slows me down so badly, it's the sentence length. 8-) Of
> course, since this is hardly my first Fred 2 bio, I'm trying to skip the
> less controversial parts, but I'm still only halfway through Volume II
> and have to return it soon.
>
> OK, it's hardly a discussion-starter, but it IS some medieval content.
I can't add to what you're reading, but I could tell you what I've
been reading. I took a break from the Middle Ages for a while, but it
seems to be making a come back for me.
I just bought the Oxford press book on "Early Medieval Art" by
Lawrence Nees. Quite nice. I wasn't as excited by Veronica Sekules'
Medieval Art in the same series, however.
Next on my list might be "Medieval Architecture" by Niccola
Coldstream, also from the same series. I normally find books on
architectural history dry and boring but this looked like fun. It
went beyond the linear French historical survey and examined the
buildings from a variety of areas in Europe. It also discussed the
ideas behind the architecture as well as the buildings.
I've yet to see the "Early Medieval Architecture" book in this series
by Roger Stalley, even though it seems to have been out for a while.
Not sure what it's like, and I am curious. If anyone else has read
it, I'd love to hear comments.
As for music, I just bought "D"amours loial servant" by Alla
Francesca. I've only listened to it a few times, but it's quite nice.
I've several recording by that group and I've heard them live. I
find them quite sensational and they're definitely one of my
favorites.
JMHO,
Eve
Grethe Bachmann
"erilar" <erila...@SPAMchibardun.net.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
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Hello Erilar!
I was at a medieval trip to churches, barrows and runic stones.
Haven't read much this week, but I studied the medieval material
available for each place we were.
The weather was so fine. Sunshine and a clear blue sky. But there
was a cold northern wind blowing right through your bones as
most of the churches were placed on top of a hill. You could
see from one white church to the other, and it's an area where most
of them have a view to the sea. Took many photos. Hope they
are ok. It was a good medieval day!
Cheers
Grethe
erilar
> I just bought the Oxford press book on "Early Medieval Art" by
> Lawrence Nees. Quite nice. I wasn't as excited by Veronica Sekules'
> Medieval Art in the same series, however.
I don't have much on medieval art per se beyond a Dürer book and one
on Tilman Riemenschneider, but the mention of it reminds me yet again of
my reaction to medieval art selections in a couple large US Museums, the
Minneapolis and Chicago Institutes of Art--EEEEK! Perhaps one should not
START paying serious attention to medieval art in a country where it was
produced--in my case, Germany--and then expect to find much in a museum
around here 8-)
>
> Next on my list might be "Medieval Architecture" by Niccola
> Coldstream, also from the same series. I normally find books on
> architectural history dry and boring but this looked like fun. It
> went beyond the linear French historical survey and examined the
> buildings from a variety of areas in Europe. It also discussed the
> ideas behind the architecture as well as the buildings.
that sounds interesting, too.
> As for music, I just bought "D"amours loial servant" by Alla
> Francesca. I've only listened to it a few times, but it's quite nice.
I haven't bought any recently, but a good half of the CDs I play on my
computer as I babble on are medieval 8-)
erilar
Bachmann" <grethe....@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
> I was at a medieval trip to churches, barrows and runic stones.
> Haven't read much this week, but I studied the medieval material
> available for each place we were.
> The weather was so fine. Sunshine and a clear blue sky. But there
> was a cold northern wind blowing right through your bones as
> most of the churches were placed on top of a hill. You could
> see from one white church to the other, and it's an area where most
> of them have a view to the sea. Took many photos. Hope they
> are ok. It was a good medieval day!
Oh, that sounds really great! I've been sitting at my sewing machine,
half watching the war, between dog walks, fetching wood, and bouts of
reading, the latter my only medieval activity.
I visited some unusual churches in Denmark once--on Bornholm. They
showed us a castle ruin in the distance, but we didn't get to visit that
8-(. It was a bus tour we(my daughter, two grandchildren) and I took at
the end of a sea trip from Rügen(and back).
--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)
Soren Larsen
"erilar" <erila...@SPAMchibardun.net.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
> I visited some unusual churches in Denmark once--on Bornholm.
Round churches? Doubled as local fortification and church
http://www.bornholm.net/bh/index.php?sprog=d&groesse_frame=95%&gruppe=severd
igheder&frame=../kirchen/index2.html&gruppe2=kirchen
click the drawings for a picture
>They
> showed us a castle ruin in the distance, but we didn't get to visit that
> 8-(. It was a bus tour we(my daughter, two grandchildren) and I took at
> the end of a sea trip from Rügen(and back).
Hammershus no doubt:
http://www.sns.dk/fortidsm/netpub/hammershus/hammershus.htm
In Danish but with pictures.
Cheers
Soren Larsen
Grethe Bachmann
"erilar" <erila...@SPAMchibardun.net.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
Yes, it must have been the round-churches you saw. There are only
seven of them in DK, four at Bornholm, one at Zealand, on at Funen,
one in Jutland. They were built for defense and were from the beginning
both fortifications and churches. Their architecture is very different from
other churches in DK, and they have only few wall-paintings and not
much inventory.
In fact we saw the only round-church in Jutland on our way home
yesterday. Also placed upon the top of a hill, but farther into the country.
As you know there is a thread on shm about the name Thor now. The
the name of this church is_ Thorsager_, a heathen name for a Christian
church. It was built about 1175-1200. Red monk-brickstone.
The castle ruin you saw in the distance must have been Hammershus.
It was the Archbishop of Lund, Jacob Erlandsen who started the
building in the 13th century as a defence against the king, and the
Archbishop Jens Grand continued and made it one of the biggest
fortifications in North Europe. Much medieval DK-history is connected
to this castle.
I also half look TV while doing something else. They are not talking
about the war right now, but about some local stuff which might be
of interest to you. A short cut from an Icelandic horse-show somewhere
in Jutland. The irresistible little Iceland ponys and their riders on an
ice rink! The horses are tölting you know. I'm so afraid they will slip.
Well - luckily they seem to manage!
Cheers
Grethe`:)
E. C. Lee
> In article <f0cfed5b.03032...@posting.google.com>,
> afro...@yahoo.com (E. C. Lee) wrote:
>
> > I just bought the Oxford press book on "Early Medieval Art" by
> > Lawrence Nees. Quite nice. I wasn't as excited by Veronica Sekules'
> > Medieval Art in the same series, however.
> I don't have much on medieval art per se beyond a Dürer book
Which one? One of my favorites is the Dover book "The Complete
Woodcuts of Albrect Durer". I think I saw one about Durer and Venice
once that looked really interesting.
and one
> on Tilman Riemenschneider,
I'm not familiar with that artist. Can you tell me a bit more?
but the mention of it reminds me yet again of
> my reaction to medieval art selections in a couple large US Museums, the
> Minneapolis and Chicago Institutes of Art--EEEEK! Perhaps one should not
> START paying serious attention to medieval art in a country where it was
> produced--in my case, Germany--and then expect to find much in a museum
> around here 8-)
> >
Yep. I think we've talked about this before. There a few small
pieces here in Chicago that are nice, but that's about it. We do have
a decent print collection at the Art Institute, but it's not always
out. I've heard that the Newberry library has some good manuscripts,
but I've never checked that out personally.
Still, there are some wonderful Medieval items in Cleveland (some
stunning enamels) and the Met in NY is great! And or Renaissance
Boston has the Gardner Museum. But you're not going to find the
collection of Medieval or Renaissance things that you'd find in
Europe.
> > Next on my list might be "Medieval Architecture" by Niccola
> > Coldstream, also from the same series. I normally find books on
> > architectural history dry and boring but this looked like fun. It
> > went beyond the linear French historical survey and examined the
> > buildings from a variety of areas in Europe. It also discussed the
> > ideas behind the architecture as well as the buildings.
>
> that sounds interesting, too.
>
Yeah. I hope I get the time to read it before my trip. I get
bookstore coupons and was hoping to buy it with some of them, but I
hit the CD department first and ended up blowing them all on fado
music! ;-)
> > As for music, I just bought "D"amours loial servant" by Alla
> > Francesca. I've only listened to it a few times, but it's quite nice.
>
> I haven't bought any recently, but a good half of the CDs I play on my
> computer as I babble on are medieval 8-)
Nothing better for getting you into the mood, although you might have
to alter what your playing to get in the mood for SHM lately! :-(
Eve
erilar
> erilar <erila...@SPAMchibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:<erilarloFRY-2F75...@news.airstreamcomm.net>...
> > In article <f0cfed5b.03032...@posting.google.com>,
> > afro...@yahoo.com (E. C. Lee) wrote:
> >
> > > I just bought the Oxford press book on "Early Medieval Art" by
> > > Lawrence Nees. Quite nice. I wasn't as excited by Veronica Sekules'
> > > Medieval Art in the same series, however.
> > I don't have much on medieval art per se beyond a Dürer book
>
> Which one? One of my favorites is the Dover book "The Complete
> Woodcuts of Albrect Durer". I think I saw one about Durer and Venice
> once that looked really interesting.
The series is "Masters of German Art" author Anja-Franziska
Eichler(which raised an echo, as I have a friend/former German student
with the same last name). It's a translation, but lists the German
publisher. I bought it at one of the museums I mentioned.
> and one
> > on Tilman Riemenschneider,
>
> I'm not familiar with that artist. Can you tell me a bit more?
Arguably Germany's greatest wood-carver, not a graphic artist. Every
time I've been in Rothenburg ob der Tauber with students, I've managed
to drag some up to see his Passionsaltar.
> Yep. I think we've talked about this before. There a few small
> pieces here in Chicago that are nice, but that's about it. We do have
> a decent print collection at the Art Institute, but it's not always
> out. I've heard that the Newberry library has some good manuscripts,
> but I've never checked that out personally.
It's a matter of where my daughter takes me--she's so busy that
"field trips" tend to be limited when I'm down there 8-) We end up at
the Art Institute fairly often because she also goes down there to
double check things in preparation for trips she takes her art students
on.
>
> Still, there are some wonderful Medieval items in Cleveland (some
> stunning enamels) and the Met in NY is great! And or Renaissance
> Boston has the Gardner Museum. But you're not going to find the
> collection of Medieval or Renaissance things that you'd find in
> Europe.
I don't visit museums in big cities in this country because I don't
DRIVE in cities. In Germany I can get just about anywhere via public
transportation.
> > > As for music, I just bought "D"amours loial servant" by Alla
> > > Francesca. I've only listened to it a few times, but it's quite
> > > nice.
> >
> > I haven't bought any recently, but a good half of the CDs I play on my
> > computer as I babble on are medieval 8-)
>
> Nothing better for getting you into the mood, although you might have
> to alter what your playing to get in the mood for SHM lately! :-(
I don't have any martial music 8-)
erilar
Bachmann" <grethe....@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
> Yes, it must have been the round-churches you saw. There are only
> seven of them in DK, four at Bornholm, one at Zealand, on at Funen,
> one in Jutland. They were built for defense and were from the beginning
> both fortifications and churches. Their architecture is very different
> from
> other churches in DK, and they have only few wall-paintings and not
> much inventory.
Yes, those were the ones. Very interesting and unlike any churches
I've seen anywhere else.
>
> In fact we saw the only round-church in Jutland on our way home
> yesterday. Also placed upon the top of a hill, but farther into the
> country.
> As you know there is a thread on shm about the name Thor now. The
> the name of this church is_ Thorsager_, a heathen name for a Christian
> church.
8-)
>
> The castle ruin you saw in the distance must have been Hammershus.
Yes, I recognize the name....which says something about me, as I'm
AWFUL about names of people...
> It was the Archbishop of Lund, Jacob Erlandsen who started the
> building in the 13th century as a defence against the king, and the
> Archbishop Jens Grand continued and made it one of the biggest
> fortifications in North Europe. Much medieval DK-history is connected
> to this castle.
And I only got to take a picture from the road 8-(
>
> I also half look TV while doing something else. They are not talking
> about the war right now, but about some local stuff which might be
> of interest to you. A short cut from an Icelandic horse-show somewhere
> in Jutland. The irresistible little Iceland ponys and their riders on an
> ice rink! The horses are tölting you know. I'm so afraid they will slip.
> Well - luckily they seem to manage!
Considering the landscape they spend their first four years running
around on, I'd really expect them to think nothing of flat ice! 8-)
--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)
erilar
<soh...@tiscali.dk> wrote:
> "erilar" <erila...@SPAMchibardun.net.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:erilarloFRY-981E...@news.airstreamcomm.net...
>
>
>
> > I visited some unusual churches in Denmark once--on Bornholm.
>
> Round churches? Doubled as local fortification and church
>
> http://www.bornholm.net/bh/index.php?sprog=d&groesse_frame=95%&gruppe=seve
> rd
> igheder&frame=../kirchen/index2.html&gruppe2=kirchen
>
> click the drawings for a picture
I just get a blank page for this one--maybe it's too long?
>
> >They
> > showed us a castle ruin in the distance, but we didn't get to visit
> > that
> > 8-(. It was a bus tour we(my daughter, two grandchildren) and I took at
> > the end of a sea trip from Rügen(and back).
>
> Hammershus no doubt:
> http://www.sns.dk/fortidsm/netpub/hammershus/hammershus.htm
>
> In Danish but with pictures.
But this one is lovely! I saved the whole thing. I don't think Danish is
close enough to German for me to get much from the text, but the
pictures are GREAT!!!
Is that a book that might be available in German or English??
Grethe Bachmann
"erilar" <erila...@SPAMchibardun.net.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
> In article <3e7e0ff7$0$32033$edfa...@dread12.news.tele.dk>, "Grethe
> Bachmann" <grethe....@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
>
> > Yes, it must have been the round-churches you saw. There are only
> > seven of them in DK, four at Bornholm, one at Zealand, on at Funen,
> > one in Jutland. They were built for defense and were from the beginning
> > both fortifications and churches. Their architecture is very different
> > from
> > other churches in DK, and they have only few wall-paintings and not
> > much inventory.
>
> Yes, those were the ones. Very interesting and unlike any churches
> I've seen anywhere else.
> >
> > In fact we saw the only round-church in Jutland on our way home
> > yesterday. Also placed upon the top of a hill, but farther into the
> > country.
> > As you know there is a thread on shm about the name Thor now. The
> > the name of this church is_ Thorsager_, a heathen name for a Christian
> > church.
>
> 8-)
>
> >
> > The castle ruin you saw in the distance must have been Hammershus.
> Yes, I recognize the name....which says something about me, as I'm
> AWFUL about names of people...
>
> > It was the Archbishop of Lund, Jacob Erlandsen who started the
> > building in the 13th century as a defence against the king, and the
> > Archbishop Jens Grand continued and made it one of the biggest
> > fortifications in North Europe. Much medieval DK-history is connected
> > to this castle.
> And I only got to take a picture from the road 8-(
> >
> > I also half look TV while doing something else. They are not talking
> > about the war right now, but about some local stuff which might be
> > of interest to you. A short cut from an Icelandic horse-show somewhere
> > in Jutland. The irresistible little Iceland ponys and their riders on
an
> > ice rink! The horses are tölting you know. I'm so afraid they will slip.
> > Well - luckily they seem to manage!
>
> Considering the landscape they spend their first four years running
> around on, I'd really expect them to think nothing of flat ice! 8-)
>
> --
> Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)
Just found out that the horses had spiked shoes on!! *:)
Grethe
Grethe Bachmann
"erilar" <erila...@SPAMchibardun.net.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
I've kept what Soren sent you about Hammershus, and I should like
to translate it into English for you, if you'd like.As well as I possibly
am able to. I could start with the first pages, and then you might see
if it's okay?
Grethe
Soren Larsen
"erilar" <erila...@SPAMchibardun.net.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
> >
> >
http://www.bornholm.net/bh/index.php?sprog=d&groesse_frame=95%&gruppe=seve
> > rd
> > igheder&frame=../kirchen/index2.html&gruppe2=kirchen
> >
> > click the drawings for a picture
>
> I just get a blank page for this one--maybe it's too long?
Try this one:
Not all the drawings has a link to a photo though
> >
> > Hammershus no doubt:
> > http://www.sns.dk/fortidsm/netpub/hammershus/hammershus.htm
> >
> > In Danish but with pictures.
>
> But this one is lovely! I saved the whole thing. I don't think Danish is
> close enough to German for me to get much from the text, but the
> pictures are GREAT!!!
>
> Is that a book that might be available in German or English??
No. It is just the web-issue of the freeguide you can have at the site
Cheers
Soren Larsen
erilar
<soh...@tiscali.dk> wrote:
>
> Try this one:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/82ky
>
> Not all the drawings has a link to a photo though
But this one works for me, and there are pictures of some of them 8-> I
don't remember now which one we went inside of, though. And the text is
in a language I can read!!
> >
> > > Hammershus no doubt:
> > > http://www.sns.dk/fortidsm/netpub/hammershus/hammershus.htm
> > >
> > > In Danish but with pictures.
> >
> > But this one is lovely! I saved the whole thing. I don't think Danish is
> > close enough to German for me to get much from the text, but the
> > pictures are GREAT!!!
> >
> > Is that a book that might be available in German or English??
>
> No. It is just the web-issue of the freeguide you can have at the site
Drat!
erilar
Bachmann" <grethe....@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
> "erilar" <erila...@SPAMchibardun.net.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:erilarloFRY-6377...@news.airstreamcomm.net...
> > In article <3e7e0ff7$0$32033$edfa...@dread12.news.tele.dk>, "Grethe
> > Bachmann" <grethe....@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
> >
>
> > > As you know there is a thread on shm about the name Thor now. The
> > > the name of this church is_ Thorsager_, a heathen name for a
> > > Christian
> > > church.
> >
> > 8-)
> >
> Did I say something odd again? `:)
No, I was smiling at the heathen name for the Christian church.
> > >The irresistible little Iceland ponys and their riders
> > > on
> an
> > > ice rink! The horses are tölting you know. I'm so afraid they will
> > > slip.
> > > Well - luckily they seem to manage!
> >
> > Considering the landscape they spend their first four years running
> > around on, I'd really expect them to think nothing of flat ice! 8-)
> >
> > --
> > Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)
>
> Just found out that the horses had spiked shoes on!! *:)
>
That's probably cheating 8-)
--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)
Grethe Bachmann
"erilar" <erila...@SPAMchibardun.net.invalid> skrev i en meddelelse
No, it was real! Really!!
No cheating!!
Grethe
erilar
Bachmann" <grethe....@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
>
> I've kept what Soren sent you about Hammershus, and I should like
> to translate it into English for you, if you'd like.As well as I possibly
> am able to. I could start with the first pages, and then you might see
> if it's okay?
That would be absolutely lovely! I saved the page, pictures and all 8-)
and it looks as if it must have an interesting history.
erilar
Bachmann" <grethe....@mail.tele.dk> wrote:
> > > Just found out that the horses had spiked shoes on!! *:)
> > >
> >
> > That's probably cheating 8-)
> >
>
> No, it was real! Really!!
> No cheating!!
I mean putting spiked shoes on the horses as cheating 8-)
--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)