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D. Spencer Hines

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Here is the list of email addresses for most of the subscribers (reportedly
1212 out of 1223) to MEDIEV-L ---- an Academic Discussion List For Medieval
History.

It Is A Controlled List, They Have A "Listmaster", Vide Infra ---- Not An Open
USENET Newsgroup ---- As Is Soc.History.Medieval.

The two entities, Mailing List and Newsgroup have no common nexus ---- as do
GEN-MEDIEVAL [the list] and Soc.Genealogy.Medieval [the newsgroup].

The list of subscribers, infra, was originally posted by Edgar de Blieck, on 6
February 2003, and can be retrieved from Google as well:

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=halsall&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off
&scoring=d&selm=3e42d54e...@newshost.abdn.ac.uk&rnum=2

Deus Vult.

"I don't care a twopenny damn what becomes of the ashes of Napoleon
Buonaparte." ---- Attributed to Arthur Wellesley, [1769-1852] Duke of
Wellington

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original material
contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It may be quoted
only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution to the author,
unless permission is otherwise expressly given, in writing.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

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erilar

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Feb 7, 2003, 2:22:05 PM2/7/03

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In article <3e42d54e...@newshost.abdn.ac.uk>,
centno...@hotmail.com wrote:

> For the GOOGLE cached record, here is a list of non-concealed
> subscribers to the Mediev-l academic discussion list. It may come in
> useful to some people who are in search of an email address...
>
> EDEB.

You apparently don't realize you've now made all these addresses
available to spammers.

--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)

Erilar's Cave Annex:
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

Martin Reboul

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Feb 7, 2003, 2:58:37 PM2/7/03

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D. Spencer Hines wrote...

> Here is the list of email addresses for most of the subscribers
(reportedly
> 1212 out of 1223) to MEDIEV-L ---- an Academic Discussion List For
> Medieval History.
>
> It Is A Controlled List, They Have A "Listmaster", Vide Infra ---- Not An
> Open USENET Newsgroup ---- As Is Soc.History.Medieval.

Ah - this would be the same MEDIEV-L list that chucked your sorry,
uninformed and deeply unpleasant arse *off* that list I presume, because of
your rude, deceitful, childish and spitefully insulting behaviour I presume
Spencey?

That alone makes it obviously worthwhile......
Hah!
Martin

Peter

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Feb 7, 2003, 3:48:27 PM2/7/03

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:03:42 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
<D._Spenc...@usa.yale.edu> wrote:

>Here is the list of email addresses for most of the subscribers (reportedly
>1212 out of 1223) to MEDIEV-L ---- an Academic Discussion List For Medieval
>History.
>
>It Is A Controlled List, They Have A "Listmaster", Vide Infra ---- Not An Open
>USENET Newsgroup ---- As Is Soc.History.Medieval.
>
>The two entities, Mailing List and Newsgroup have no common nexus ---- as do
>GEN-MEDIEVAL [the list] and Soc.Genealogy.Medieval [the newsgroup].
>
>The list of subscribers, infra, was originally posted by Edgar de Blieck, on 6
>February 2003, and can be retrieved from Google as well:
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=halsall&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off
>&scoring=d&selm=3e42d54e...@newshost.abdn.ac.uk&rnum=2

Seems quite an interesting group - mainly because you don't appear to
be a member.

Can you please advise how they got rid of you?

--

Peter

Remove the INVALID to reply

Mekon

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Feb 7, 2003, 4:02:27 PM2/7/03

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"D. Spencer Hines" <D._Spenc...@usa.yale.edu> wrote in message
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> Here is the list of email addresses for most of the subscribers
(reportedly
> 1212 out of 1223) to MEDIEV-L ---- an Academic Discussion List For
Medieval
> History.
>

Are you insane? Deliberately malevolent? or just stupid?

Posting one person's email address in plain text is bad enough, but a whole
list of them beggars belief. Those people will now find themselves subject
to an increasing amount of spam as the harvesters go to work on them.

Fuckwit.

Mekon

Martin Reboul

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Feb 7, 2003, 4:25:36 PM2/7/03

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Mekon wrote...

> Are you insane? Deliberately malevolent? or just stupid?

Yes, yes and yes. 'Old Spency' is also sexually perverted (in a most
unsavoury 'direction'), devious, a liar, a cheat, thoroughly dishonourable
and dishonest, anti-semitic, foul-mouthed, ungentlemanly, cowardly, often
racist and a notorious misogynist. The only good thing I can say about the
sad old git is that he's also utterly incompetent and a fool, which makes
him relatively harmless.

> Posting one person's email address in plain text is bad enough, but a
whole
> list of them beggars belief. Those people will now find themselves subject
> to an increasing amount of spam as the harvesters go to work on them.

That's the idea I expect. He was of course thrown off that list for forging
emails and causing offence. A noxious fellow.

> Fuckwit.

That word incisively sums him up very succinctly and without using too many
adjectives. Well done!
Cheers
Martin
BTW, he has me 'killfiled' and won't answer back.... he does have just
enough sense to know who's best!

Frank Martin

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Feb 7, 2003, 4:47:25 PM2/7/03

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I'm glad I was left off - by some oversight of course -
because I get about 50 junk mails per day at present.

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D. Spencer Hines

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Feb 7, 2003, 5:04:27 PM2/7/03

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Anyone who is concerned about spam can easily munge an email address.

Edgar de Blieck did nothing wrong in posting this list of subscribers ----
it's a convenient listing of folks who are interested in various aspects of
Mediaeval History.

William Addams Reitwiesner

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Feb 7, 2003, 6:06:45 PM2/7/03

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"Martin Reboul" <mar...@reboul1471.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

That wasn't the first list which chucked his sorry, uninformed and deeply
unpleasant arse off for his rude, deceitful, childish and spitefully
insulting behaviour. See
<http://members.aol.com/reitwiesne/gen-royal/discipline/hines> for an
earlier instance.

William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@erols.com

Paul J Gans

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Feb 7, 2003, 5:12:08 PM2/7/03

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Hines carefully crossposted the membership list to a large list of
newsgroups. This was done spitefully as I'm sure most folks
realize.

And yes, he has been permanently banned from that mailing list
(it was done before I took over as listmaster) for exactly
those reasons.

It is well known that Hines is an asshole. To which I can
only add, beware the asshole that spouts, for it spouts not
perfume and roses.

---- Paul J. Gans

Paul J Gans

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Feb 7, 2003, 5:18:31 PM2/7/03

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In soc.history.medieval Martin Reboul <mar...@reboul1471.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>Mekon wrote...

>> Fuckwit.

No, in fairness to him (though he doesn't deserve it) I don't
recall that he was thrown off for forging e-mail. He was
offensive, insulting, and caused (as he often does) general
disruption.

Academic lists (though many on it are not academics) suffer
from the naive belief that folks who join them and post
things have the best of intentions. They are sometimes
very wrong.

----- Paul J. Gans

Paul J Gans

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Feb 7, 2003, 5:20:29 PM2/7/03

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In soc.history.medieval D. Spencer Hines <D._Spenc...@usa.yale.edu> wrote:
>Anyone who is concerned about spam can easily munge an email address.

>Edgar de Blieck did nothing wrong in posting this list of subscribers ----
>it's a convenient listing of folks who are interested in various aspects of
>Mediaeval History.

You are a true arse. How can you belong to a mailing list
with a munged e-mail address?

---- Paul J. Gans

Francois R. Velde

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Feb 7, 2003, 5:29:45 PM2/7/03

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I don't know about your newsgroups, but in alt.talk.royalty Hines is not
on-topic, and we like it that way. Please remove ATR from the newsgroup
list if you intend to go on discussing what adjective best describes him.

Thank you.

--
François R. Velde
ve...@nospam.org (replace by "heraldica")
Heraldica Web Site: http://www.heraldica.org/

Peter

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Feb 7, 2003, 5:36:52 PM2/7/03

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On Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:12:08 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans <ga...@panix.com>
wrote:

All we can hope is that no-one posts his home address in Hawaii or his
home phone number. let us not stoop to his latrine level, otherwiswe
people will be sending things like housbricks, collect, etcetera or
ringing him at inappropriate times.

Paul J Gans

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Feb 7, 2003, 5:46:47 PM2/7/03

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In soc.history.medieval Francois R. Velde <ve...@heraldicanotspam.invalid> wrote:
>I don't know about your newsgroups, but in alt.talk.royalty Hines is not
>on-topic, and we like it that way. Please remove ATR from the newsgroup
>list if you intend to go on discussing what adjective best describes him.

>Thank you.

He's not on-topic anywhere. *HE* chose the newsgroups to
crosspost to. Yell at him.

---- Paul J. Gans

Dick Wisan

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Feb 7, 2003, 5:21:12 PM2/7/03

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blank...@hotmail.com says...

>
>"D. Spencer Hines" <D._Spenc...@usa.yale.edu> wrote
>>

>> Here is the list of email addresses for most of the subscribers
>> (reportedly 1212 out of 1223) to MEDIEV-L ---- an Academic
>> Discussion List For Medieval History.
>>
>Are you insane? Deliberately malevolent? or just stupid?

Something of all three.

>Posting one person's email address in plain text is bad enough, but a whole
>list of them beggars belief. Those people will now find themselves subject
>to an increasing amount of spam as the harvesters go to work on them.

Quite so. Why else would he do it? Unless, perhaps, he's trying to organize
some kind of mail bombing of everyone on that list until they let him back.

How about it? Tiggers? Dietz? Anybody else? Why don't the people on
that list deserve explanations of current events in the middle east, the
importance of equipping everyone with some kind of sidearm, and other
medievalia?

--
R. N. (Dick) Wisan Email: wis...@catskill.net
Snail: 37 Clinton St., Oneonta, NY 13820, USA
Just your opinion, please, Ma'am; no fax

Phil Moody

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Feb 7, 2003, 5:53:46 PM2/7/03

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"Martin Reboul" wrote:

> Yes, yes and yes. 'Old Spency' is also sexually perverted (in a most
> unsavoury 'direction'), devious, a liar, a cheat, thoroughly dishonourable
> and dishonest, anti-semitic, foul-mouthed, ungentlemanly, cowardly, often
> racist and a notorious misogynist. The only good thing I can say about the
> sad old git is that he's also utterly incompetent and a fool, which makes
> him relatively harmless.

PLM: Damn it Martin, what the hell are you trying to do - kill me!!! For
Crisssake, I laughed so hard I nearly choked to death on the piece of sponge
cake I was eating when I read this bit. Have a care man; the collateral
damage can be disastrous!

Cheers,
Phil

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D. Spencer Hines

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Feb 7, 2003, 7:10:08 PM2/7/03

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Thank You.

Deus Vult.

"I don't care a twopenny damn what becomes of the ashes of Napoleon
Buonaparte." ---- Attributed to Arthur Wellesley, [1769-1852] Duke of
Wellington

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original material
contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It may be quoted
only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution to the author,
unless permission is otherwise expressly given, in writing.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

"Phil Moody" <moody...@cox.net> wrote in message
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| DSH wrote:
|
| > The list of participants is for MEDIEV-L, a controlled LIST, NOT for
| > soc.history.medieval ---- an uncontrolled USENET newsgroup.
|
| PLM: You are correct. I carelessly put the heading that the contributor of
| the e-mail to Google used; which was shm. It is definitely the Gans-o-rama
| Medieval-L members:-)
|
| Cheers,
| Phil
|
| "D. Spencer Hines" <D._Spenc...@usa.yale.edu> wrote in message
| news:u2T0a.54$ec2....@eagle.america.net...

| >
| > D. Spencer Hines
| >
| > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
| >
| > Vires et Honor
| >

| > ""Richard Smith"" <ptr...@cox.net> wrote in message
| > news:002f01c2cee8$9d3c3b60$d829...@ks.ok.cox.net...
| >
| > | Phil,
| > |
| > | Thanks.
| > |
| > | Richard Smith
| > |
| > | ----- Original Message -----
| > | From: "Phil Moody" <moody...@cox.net>
| > | To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
| > | Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 10:16 AM
| > | Subject: Complete list of soc.history.medieval members
| > |
| > |
| > | > Dear All:
| > | >
| > | > Paul Halsall has had the courtesy of advising us of a complete list of
| > | their members is located at:

[...]

Renia

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Feb 7, 2003, 7:13:55 PM2/7/03

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Bastard.

Vaughan Sanders

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Feb 7, 2003, 7:36:00 PM2/7/03

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"Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com> wrote in message
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Munged? is this worse than Pogued ?

Jamie

D. Spencer Hines

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Feb 7, 2003, 7:27:40 PM2/7/03

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"I hope you are not insinuating I did anything unethical here, Chris!? The
information was already on the web; so all I did was bring the information to
the attention of another medieval academic forum where the information may
benefit the research of others, in the long term."

P. L. Moody
-----------------

Of course ---- which is the same reason I posted it. Only a loon would
suggest otherwise.

It was a public service.

I'm sure Edgar de Blieck, who apparently compiled the list, had precisely the
same motivation.

Only the *truly* loony here ---- and *most* biased ---- such as my pet marmot,
Gans, are all hot and bothered about it ---- and chewing the scenery ---- as
well as the carpets....

Which does make for Good Theatre.

Hilarious!

Renia

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Feb 7, 2003, 7:35:10 PM2/7/03

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D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> "I hope you are not insinuating I did anything unethical here, Chris!? The
> information was already on the web; so all I did was bring the information to
> the attention of another medieval academic forum where the information may
> benefit the research of others, in the long term."
>
> P. L. Moody
> -----------------
>
> Of course ---- which is the same reason I posted it. Only a loon would
> suggest otherwise.
>
> It was a public service.

Pubic service, more like. Below the belt. You posted it in full to
umpteen lists. Phil Moody posted a link which he said would be gone in a
few days, more fool him.

Renia

Rowanwald Central

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Feb 7, 2003, 7:56:26 PM2/7/03

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D. Spencer Hines wrote

> Here is the list of email addresses for most of the
> subscribers (reportedly 1212 out of 1223) to MEDIEV-L
> ---- an Academic Discussion List For Medieval
> History.

<snip>

> All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original
material
> contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It may be
quoted
> only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution to the author,
> unless permission is otherwise expressly given, in writing.

Thank you for taking a spam-generating problem and compounding it greatly by
crossposting it. It was one of the most petty acts of jealous revenge that
I've seen in a very long time.

You, sir, are an ass.

Terri Morgan

Francois R. Velde

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Feb 7, 2003, 8:38:46 PM2/7/03

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In medio alt.talk.royalty aperuit Paul J Gans <ga...@panix.com> os suum:

>He's not on-topic anywhere. *HE* chose the newsgroups to
>crosspost to. Yell at him.

You're the one who has cross-posted 4 follow-ups to this inane thread. I'm
yelling at you.

--
François Velde

ve...@nospam.org (replace by "heraldica")

Heraldry Site: http://www.heraldica.org/

D. Spencer Hines

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Feb 7, 2003, 9:40:17 PM2/7/03

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I had not intended to go further into these issues, but since my pet marmot,
Gans, and his faithful maidservant, Renia Simmonds, the expat Brit, keep
chewing on it, like a dog with a bone, they leave me no choice but to tell the
truth and correct their vicious lies, prevarications and disingenuousness.

And I am, of course, posting to the same newsgroups where those vicious lies,
et al., have appeared.

Let it be on their heads. Deus Vult....

As is his congenital habit, my pet marmot, [vide infra], P. Jonathan Gans, and
his faithful maidservant, Renia Simmonds, are spouting codswallop, balderdash
and tripe. It's built into their characters. It's what they do, just as it
is in the nature of the scorpion to sting.

http://scholar.chem.nyu.edu/shm/images/Chuckie.jpg

The list of participants in the MEDIEV-L mailing list was posted by Edgar de
Blieck to some folks and Phil Moody again drew our attention to it. I simply,
quite properly, gave it a wider distribution ---- so that everyone will know
who these Mediaeval History scholars are.

Even if they change their email addresses you have their NAMES ---- that's the
important thing ---- in order to further the goals of Sound Scholarship.

There has been absolutely NO malfeasance on Phil Moody's part, on Edgar de
Blieck's part, or on MY part.

Game Over...

Case Closed....

Gans is ALSO lying about OTHER matters, matters on other subjects
entirely ---- as is his marked propensity ---- completely irrelevant
matters ---- which he and his Girl Friday, Renia, have chosen to drag into the
discussion ---- where it has no place.

We Need To Set The Record Straight....

Lies cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged.

Let it be on their heads.

Deus Vult.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

New Subject:

Some of the folks over on MEDIEV-L tend to have a quite undeveloped sense of
humour and are inclined to take themselves *very* seriously ---- as is, of
course, to be expected with a gaggle of academics.

No thinking person should anticipate otherwise.

Gans, as is to be expected, is one of them. Another one, Robert Helmerichs,
who preceded Gans as the "listmaster", is another.

Helmerichs, when HE did the "listmastering", was a young sycophant of Gans and
of Bernie Bachrach, who teaches Mediaeval History at the University of
Minnesota.

Helmerichs, in December 1998, *desperately* sought a tenure-track academic
appointment as a professor of Mediaeval History ---- ANYWHERE ---- and was
HOPING that Bachrach or Gans, two of his most important mentors, might FIND
one for him.

Since Young Sycophant Helmerichs was not very impressive as a top-flight
Mediaeval Historian, reportedly interviewed quite poorly and had not written
profusely ---- no books that I know of, even to date ---- they were unable to
find a position for him. He was a lonely Ronin Academic ---- no academic
institution wanted him on a permanent, tenure-track basis ---- as a professor.

Helmerichs was on tenterhooks about all this ---- and *very* tight-arsed about
the possibility that one of his potential mentors [and there were many other
possibilities beyond Bachrach and Gans on MEDIEV-L, as many academic
historians and graduate students are on the list] might be shown up as
wrong-headed, in error, or, perish the thought, "insulted." He was a *very*
loyal and boot-licking sycophant. Helmerichs can grovel perhaps better than
anyone I've ever seen. Bar None....

Helmerichs has indeed PERFECTED THE ART OF THE LICKSPITTLE.

So he was VERY nervous about posts that might tend to offend the
_lèse-majesté_ of one of these PATRONS, his MENTORS, whom he was relying on to
find him a tenured academic position.

Helmerichs despite all his best grinding, grovelling efforts apparently failed
abysmally ---- and the last I heard about him he had completely given up on
trying to be an academic mediaeval historian and was a Property Manager in
Minneapolis.

Helmerichs simply couldn't cut the mustard....

He couldn't make the grade ---- as an academic Mediaeval Historian.

I've heard he gives a simply TERRIBLE interview ---- always either at the feet
or the throat of the interviewer. That may be a primary contributive cause.
-----------------------------------

In December 1998, I proved Bernie Bachrach wrong on one point, a factual
matter, and that propelled Helmerichs into immediate, hysterical high dudgeon.

THEN I posted the following rib-poking humorous message and the tight-arsed
academic wannabe, Helmerichs, went absolutely BALLISTIC ---- in defense of his
Lord and Master, Bernie Bachrach.

It was a VERY AMUSING little episode, of no particular importance to me ----
but I enjoyed the entertainment *thoroughly*.

According to Helmerics himself, SO DID BACHRACH.

Here is a later, slightly edited, version, with explanatory comments, of the
message that got Helmerichs so upset.

The entire episode was *quite* HILARIOUS:

From: D. Spencer Hines
Subject: Medieval Historians, Supplicants and Baboons
Date: 2000/11/18

It's time again to remind folks of my post of December 1998 that so nettled
the academics and sycophants over on MEDIEV-L and got their bowels in a mighty
uproar --- some of them --- far from all.

It goes a long way towards explaining the arrogance and incompetence of much
of the American Academic Establishment to see how they respond to "outsiders."

These folks don't take to any criticism of their Medieval History yenta,
Bernie Bachrach, lightly.

Particularly is that true of "Igor" Helmerichs, the young sucker-upper,
who has "Four Dads" as you'll recall.

http://www1.minn.net/~rob/

[N.B. Helmerichs seems to have deep-sixed that Home Page. ---- DSH]
--------------------------------------

After just a few short days here, I've developed the impression that
there is an interesting social phenomenon at work. It appears that
there are medieval historians and graduate students from a number of
smaller universities. Norman Cantor and Michael Prestwich don't appear
to have put in an appearance yet. I'm not surprised nor disappointed.

Then there appears to be a fellow named Bernie Bachrach at the University of
Minnesota, who has been teaching for 33 years, by his own admission. He, no
doubt, is well-connected in the collegium of mediaeval historians and has
benefices to bestow on the loyal, the faithful and the properly deferential.
Many folks here may perhaps hope that he will mentor them and help them get a
job, or a better job, in Mediaeval History.

One has the impression that one has wandered into a family of baboons
[N.B. No insult meant. I love baboons.] who defer and grovel to an
Alpha Male Baboon --- as baboons are wont to do. [N.B. I mean no
insult to baboons either. Vide supra.]

[N.B. Yes, Virginia, several baboon species are clearly patriarchal. Don't
let some Arrant Pogue tell you that all baboons are matriarchal ---- because
it just isn't so. ---- DSH]

Whilst perfectly understandable, this phenomenon --- if true --- and I
need more evidence before coming to a conclusion --- tends to inhibit
the free flow of ideas and interpretations on medieval history and
medieval historians. Bernie Bachrach makes some sort of *ex cathedra*
pronouncement and most fall silent and do not challenge him. There are
several notable exceptions, but they are small in number and most
cautious and tentative in their disagreements.

Again, if true, this is not how The Free Market of Ideas is supposed to
work in a democratic society. Of course, a number of things don't
always work ideally in a democratic society --- but as Sir Winston
Churchill has sagely pointed out --- it is still the best of the lot,
when comparing rival political systems.

If my tentative hypothesis is grossly inaccurate, I'd appreciate the wise
advice and counsel of other Gentle Readers. _Au contraire_ ---- if I am on
the right track ---- ladies and gentlemen, we are not baboons, but individual
human beings with the power of ratiocination and critical analysis.

Public posts or private e-mails would be equally treasured. I promise
to maintain the secrecy of any private e-mails on this matter ---- as is
only fair, proper and gentlemanly.

[N. B. I received nine e-mails, from quite prominent Mediaeval Historians,
amateurs and hobbyists. But I'll keep my word and not reveal any names. All
of them, without exception, agreed with my tentative analysis, but insisted on
anonymity. So be it. I keep my word. ---- DSH]

If no one speaks to the matter at all, I shall take that as tentative
evidence that folks are so afraid to challenge the suzerainty and
territoriality of the hypothesized Alpha Male Medieval Historian, Bernie
Bachrach, and his presumed coterie that they will not hazard
retribution.

Me ke aloha pumehana,

D. Spencer Hines

Fortem Posce Animum
Sol Remedium Optimum Est
-------------------

Gentle Readers, that is the post that got Robert 'Igor' Helmerichs so excited
over on MEDIEV-L.

As I noted before, there is a very large contingent of college
professors and other academics who are absolutely terrified that we
common folks might learn to think for ourselves and see through some of
their games and stratagems. They insist on controlling the intellectual
agenda and brook no opposition from those of us whom they see as less
educated and less able to think than they.

As you will note, there is nothing obscene or in any way unlawful about my
post, which simply frames a tentative working hypothesis and asks for
concurrence or disagreement from the 2,000 subscribers of MEDIEV-L, many of
whom are lurkers. Please read it yourself and see if you find it to be
something that must be censored at all costs.

Free Speech is a precious American Right that many have suffered, fought
and died for to pass on to future generations. We who have grown up
with it tend to forget what a precious right it is. We surrender it at
our peril and the censor is never far from the scene, the barbarians are
never far from the gates of civilization.

Some even say that the barbarians are already *inside* the gates ---- and have
their hands on the levers of power. Perhaps they are correct after all ----
in some venues.

Sincerely,

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

--

"The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of
truth....This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other
end beyond itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra
Gentiles" [c.1258-1264

Sol Remedium Optimum Est. Peccatoris Justificatio Absque Paenitentia,
Legem Destruit Moralem.

Vires et Honor.

"It may be said that, thanks to the 'clercs', humanity did evil for two
thousand years, but honoured good. This contradiction was an honour to
the human species, and formed the rift whereby civilisation slipped into
the world." "La Trahison des clercs" [The Treason of the Intellectuals]
(1927) Julien Benda (1867-1956)

"For by diligent perusing the actes of great men, by considering all the
circumstances of them, by composing Counseiles and Meanes with events, a
man may seem to have lived in all ages, to have been present at all
enterprises, to be more strongly confirmed in Judgement, to have
attained a greater experience than the longest life can possibly
afford."

John Hayward, The Lives of the III Norman Kings of England, William
the First, William the Second and Henry I , London, 1612, Preface

All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original
material contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It
may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution
to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly given, in
writing.

------------

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor.

Frank Martin

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Feb 7, 2003, 9:45:37 PM2/7/03

to

I have copied the list but it needs formatting into columns
for ascending/descending order purposes. Is there an easy
way to do this?

Also, I took the liberty of visiting your web site and
note that the text is a screen-length wide which is
hard to read. Is there any reason you haven't
formatted the text into easy-to-read newspaper-style
columns?

Does your publisher allow you to do this?
Regards Frank

"Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:b21bfd$lbb$6...@reader1.panix.com...

Martin Reboul

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Feb 7, 2003, 10:02:23 PM2/7/03

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Francois R. Velde wrote...

> In medio alt.talk.royalty aperuit Paul J Gans <ga...@panix.com> os suum:
> >He's not on-topic anywhere. *HE* chose the newsgroups to
> >crosspost to. Yell at him.
>
> You're the one who has cross-posted 4 follow-ups to this inane thread.
I'm
> yelling at you.

Cool it Franky - Hines started it, kick his sorry arse! Or 'ass' as he would
say...

Frank Martin

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Feb 7, 2003, 9:56:49 PM2/7/03

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Is this creature a marmot? Looks like a common rock rat to
me.
Enclosed is an early primate with which you might
empathize.
http://www.nature.ca/notebooks/english/estars.htm

"D. Spencer Hines" <D._Spenc...@usa.yale.edu> wrote in
message news:X9_0a.99$ec2....@eagle.america.net...

Martin Reboul

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Feb 7, 2003, 10:10:13 PM2/7/03

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Vaughan Sanders wrote...
>
>
> Paul J Gans wrote...

> > In soc.history.medieval D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> > >Anyone who is concerned about spam can easily munge an email address.
> >
> > >Edgar de Blieck did nothing wrong in posting this list of
> subscribers ----
> > >it's a convenient listing of folks who are interested in various
aspects
> of
> > >Mediaeval History.
> >
> > You are a true arse. How can you belong to a mailing list
> > with a munged e-mail address?
> >
> > ---- Paul J. Gans
>
> Munged? is this worse than Pogued ?

Less painful and slightly less uncomfortable I am told by an expert. Just as
as embarrassing however.

I'm glad to see you spelling 'arse' correctly Paul - something His Majesty
the Queen still can't seem to manage (he has enough trouble spelling
'medieval' properly, hardly surprising really).
Cheers
Martin

Martin Reboul

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Feb 7, 2003, 10:21:47 PM2/7/03

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William Addams Reitwiesner wrote...

Quite scandalous William, I didn't know about that one. What other unsavoury
secrets lurk in 'Davey Hines Locker' - I shudder to think!
Cheers
Martin

(PS Sorry I used up all the adjectives....)

Drew Nicholson

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Feb 7, 2003, 10:23:44 PM2/7/03

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You are quite pathetic.

"D. Spencer Hines" <D._Spenc...@usa.yale.edu> wrote in message
news:X9_0a.99$ec2....@eagle.america.net...

> I had not intended to go further into these issues,

[utter tripe removed]

Robert Helmerichs

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Feb 7, 2003, 10:37:42 PM2/7/03

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As I've pointed out before, the reason Hines was ejected from mediev-l
was not because his baboon post was insulting to Bachrach. In fact,
in a perverse way, it was vaguely complimentary to him. He was
ejected because the post was insulting to everybody else on mediev-l.
Despite previous warnings, Hines proved himself incapable of the civil
tone that is required of participants in that list.

As for what Hines has "heard" about my interviewing techniques, I
might be inclined to take him seriously if he can name one school at
which I interviewed.
___________________________________________________________
To send e-mail: rob at mm dot com
Robert Helmerichs: http://www.rob-helmerichs.com
Rollo of Normandy: http://www.hrolfr.com
Norman Bibliography: http://www.NormanBib.org
The Planctus for William Longsword: http://www.planctus.org

Paul J Gans

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Feb 7, 2003, 11:00:52 PM2/7/03

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In soc.history.medieval Francois R. Velde <ve...@heraldicanospam.invalid> wrote:
>In medio alt.talk.royalty aperuit Paul J Gans <ga...@panix.com> os suum:
>>He's not on-topic anywhere. *HE* chose the newsgroups to
>>crosspost to. Yell at him.

>You're the one who has cross-posted 4 follow-ups to this inane thread. I'm
>yelling at you.

Yell at me all you want. Hines is a true bastard. You
folks have aided and abetted him for years by making
him welcome and treating him as if he was a decent human
being.

And when he craps on 1200 people YOU complain about
the people who object.

You are sitting there in your neat little genealogical
world thinking you are insulated from the real world
and somehow that gives you the right to decide who
is decent and who is not.

If you had done the right thing and shunned Hines in
the first place (as he so richly deserves) and treated
him with the disdain owed him, perhaps this incident might
not have happened.

But it did happen. It happened in soc.history.medieval.
Mr. Hines crossposted it to your group. I say again,
complain to him.

Or are you too frightened of him?

----- Paul J. Gans

Paul J Gans

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Feb 7, 2003, 11:02:56 PM2/7/03

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>http://scholar.chem.nyu.edu/shm/images/Chuckie.jpg

>Game Over...

>Case Closed....

You are a sick man, Hines. You have gone over the limit
this time and each and every one of the folks who reads
the newsgroups you crossposted to now knows it.

You are scum, hated scum.

---- Paul J. Gans

Paul J Gans

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Feb 7, 2003, 11:07:33 PM2/7/03

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In soc.history.medieval Frank Martin <fr...@general.com.au> wrote:
>I have copied the list but it needs formatting into columns
>for ascending/descending order purposes. Is there an easy
>way to do this?

>Also, I took the liberty of visiting your web site and
>note that the text is a screen-length wide which is
>hard to read. Is there any reason you haven't
>formatted the text into easy-to-read newspaper-style
>columns?

>Does your publisher allow you to do this?
>Regards Frank

Mr. Martin:

If you had any decency you'd destroy that list. It
is the private property of a mailing list made
available to its members for their use only.

Please do not post it, cross-post it, or make
it available to the public.

As for my pages, you will find that the material
on the mailing list can be compressed to as small
a width as you desire. It is not "screen-length".
All you lose by narrowing it is the logo at the
top.

---- Paul J. Gans

D. Spencer Hines

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Feb 7, 2003, 11:40:47 PM2/7/03

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P. Jonathan Gans, my little pet goose [Yes, Virginia, he's also my pet marmot.
He's a changeling and often morphs.], is babbling and burbling again.

Yes, Virginia, Gans is also the "listmaster" over on the mailing list
MEDIEV-L.

*Edgar de Blieck* posted the list of names and email addresses of the
subscribers over there to USENET ---- LONG before I did.

Edgar posted his message on ---- Thursday, 06 Feb 2003 21:36:43 GMT....

My post did not go out until MUCH later ---- Friday, 7 Feb 2003 19:03:42 GMT.

So MY post went out about 21 1/2 HOURS AFTER Edgar's ---- almost a FULL DAY.

Yet, strangely, and quite duplicitously and dishonestly, Gans doesn't mention
EDGAR'S post at ALL, nor do any of his little gansocoprophagi and
gansocoprophagae, including his Girl Friday, Renia Simmonds.

They are *desperately* attempting to consign it to the Orwellian Memory Hole.

Curiouser and Curiouser....

Here is Edgar de Blieck's post ---- so everyone can see it ---- don't just
take it on faith from me.

Please note that Edgar de Blieck put his OWN name and address at the very end
of the message, way down at the bottom. He's not by any means an arrogant
fellow. He saw himself as doing a PUBLIC SERVICE in the interests of Good
Scholarship ---- AS DID I. And Phil Moody also, I presume.

Edgar de Blieck is a regular contributor and subscriber to the list where Gans
is the "listmaster" ---- MEDIEV-L ---- and apparently Gans doesn't want to
offend Edgar or draw attention to him ---- so, Gans prevaricates and
dishonestly and fraudulently makes out that Hines is somehow guilty of
malfeasance ---- and tries to flog him publicly.

No Sale...

Or, in New Yorkese, Gans's Home Turf:

Fugedaboudit!

Gans's anserine, asinine, puerile charges have absolutely NO BASIS in fact.

Case Closed....

Here is the original, 6 February, post from Edgar de Blieck.

See for yourself what the truth is.
-------------------------

----- Original Message -----

From: <centno...@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: soc.history.medieval
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 9:36 PM
Subject: Mediev-l academic discussion list email addresses.

D. Spencer Hines

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Feb 8, 2003, 12:06:05 AM2/8/03

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Gans, my pet marmot, has clearly slipped his tether ---- his leash.

http://scholar.chem.nyu.edu/shm/images/Chuckie.jpg

Gans's remarks, infra, make absolutely NO sense at all ---- they are pure,
unadulterated gibberish ---- as anyone can plainly see ---- and not in
accordance in the slightest degree with the historical facts of what *actually
happened*. Perhaps he is drinking heavily again, on a Friday evening.

All Gans can do is RANT and call me bad names....such as "bastard"...

Appalling!

This guy is a college professor at NYU and he cannot even:

1. THINK.

2. WRITE CLEARLY, ACCURATELY AND HONESTLY.

3. CONTROL HIS TEMPER.

So, in a desperate, anserine, completely asinine way ---- he simply strikes
out at all and sundry.

Francois R. Velde is COMPLETELY INNOCENT here. And he is quite correct.

It is GANS who has foolishly and unnecessarily prolonged this dialogue by
posting lies about me ---- along with his minions.

Lies that had to be answered.

Appalling!

Stultus Disarmatus Reductus.

Deus Vult.

"I don't care a twopenny damn what becomes of the ashes of Napoleon
Buonaparte." ---- Attributed to Arthur Wellesley, [1769-1852] Duke of
Wellington

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

Brian M. Scott

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Feb 8, 2003, 12:06:54 AM2/8/03

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 02:40:17 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
<D._Spenc...@usa.yale.edu> wrote:

[...]

>Lies cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged.

Soliciting responses now, I see.

[...]

Ronald Lankshear

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Feb 8, 2003, 12:40:46 AM2/8/03

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I never have seen any reason for Posting on several newsgroups at once
Please Stop
--
Ron Lankshear - Sydney Aust
(from Shepherds Bush & Chiswick)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lankshear/ my family & document
sources
http://members.tripod.com/ronlankshear - try the genealogy links and
suggestion
"

Anne Gilbert

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Feb 8, 2003, 12:40:15 AM2/8/03

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Mr. Hines:

Have You Taken Your Pretty Purple Pill Today? It Doesn't Sound Like It,
Since You're Capitalizing Every Other Word. You'd Better Run To The Doctor,
Quick!

Anne G

> D. Spencer Hines
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

> --
>
> "The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of
> truth....This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other
> end beyond itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra
> Gentiles" [c.1258-1264
>
> Sol Remedium Optimum Est. Peccatoris Justificatio Absque Paenitentia,
> Legem Destruit Moralem.
>
> Vires et Honor.
>
> "It may be said that, thanks to the 'clercs', humanity did evil for two
> thousand years, but honoured good. This contradiction was an honour to
> the human species, and formed the rift whereby civilisation slipped into
> the world." "La Trahison des clercs" [The Treason of the Intellectuals]
> (1927) Julien Benda (1867-1956)
>
> "For by diligent perusing the actes of great men, by considering all the
> circumstances of them, by composing Counseiles and Meanes with events, a
> man may seem to have lived in all ages, to have been present at all
> enterprises, to be more strongly confirmed in Judgement, to have
> attained a greater experience than the longest life can possibly
> afford."
>
> John Hayward, The Lives of the III Norman Kings of England, William
> the First, William the Second and Henry I , London, 1612, Preface
>

> All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original
> material contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It
> may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution
> to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly given, in
> writing.

> ------------

>
> D. Spencer Hines
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>

> Vires et Honor.
>
>

D. Spencer Hines

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Feb 8, 2003, 1:41:49 AM2/8/03

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Capital!

This is the URL for Robert 'Igor' Helmerichs' current Home Page:

http://www.rob-helmerichs.com

Astute Readers, the cognoscenti, will readily be able to understand why
Helmerichs was unable to secure a tenure-track position as a Mediaeval
Historian ---- which was his heart's desire since his undergraduate days at
the University of Minnesota, where Bernie Bachrach was his teacher and mentor.

Helmerichs' problems are all too obvious to one who does a careful perusal of
these pages ---- one who is a member of the cognoscenti. Enjoy!

My favorite is still the _"My Four Dads"_ page ---- abject bootlicking at its
most grovelling.

http://www.mm.com/user/rob/Dads.html

As I previously noted, 'Igor' Helmerichs has indeed raised the ancient
practice of playing abject, pogueish lickspittle to a fine art.

I have *never* seen a better lickspittle than 'Igor' Helmerichs ----
anywhere ---- bar none.

Why, Igor has even seen fit to give *me* a place of honor ---- right there on
his home page:

http://www.rob-helmerichs.com

"The reviews are in!

"Tawdry, 'Common,' and Derriere-Licking." D. Spencer Hines,
soc.history.medieval, 8/23/1999.

"Childish, sycophantic, arse-licking web page." D. Spencer Hines,
alt.english.usage, 12/31/1999.

"Helmerichs is a shameless brown-noser and sycophant." D. Spencer Hines,
soc.history.medieval, 1/17/2000.

"Helmerichs has redone his soporific, grandstanding web pages again. He seems
to waste a great deal of time on frivolities and non-essentials ['X-Files Fan
-- 'Rob At 21 Months' -- and other detritus and bathos] ---- thereby
spreading himself far too thin." D. Spencer Hines, soc.history.medieval,
7/15/2000.

"'Igor' Helmerichs seems to have quite an unhealthy obsession with Hines." D.
Spencer Hines, soc.history.medieval, 11/18/2000."

Why, I couldn't have said it better myself....

Hilarious!

How Sweet It Is!

Deus Vult.

"I don't care a twopenny damn what becomes of the ashes of Napoleon
Buonaparte." ---- Attributed to Arthur Wellesley, [1769-1852] Duke of
Wellington

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original material

contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It may be quoted
only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution to the author,
unless permission is otherwise expressly given, in writing.

D. Spencer Hines

Peter

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Feb 8, 2003, 4:49:47 AM2/8/03

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Perhaps there is a web site like www.whitepages.com that someone who
wished to write to him (or phone him) could use to find his contact
details. After all, his email address appears to be faulty...

--

Peter

Remove the INVALID to reply

a.spencer3

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Feb 8, 2003, 5:23:59 AM2/8/03

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Peter <usenet...@nidum.plus.com> wrote in message
news:2ik94vspt5rtsfd6e...@4ax.com...

> > Perhaps there is a web site like www.whitepages.com that someone who
> wished to write to him (or phone him) could use to find his contact
> details. After all, his email address appears to be faulty...

Don't you realise that all this attention is precisely what he craves? I
suggest we all just shut up and, hopefully, he will.

Surreyman

Liz

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Feb 8, 2003, 5:09:29 AM2/8/03

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D. Spencer Hines wrote:

> And I am, of course, posting to the same newsgroups where those vicious lies,
> et al., have appeared.

Not so, arsehole.

Until you arrived here out of the blue, crossposting as you always do,
those of us who subscribe to soc.genealogy.britain were in the blissful
position of never having heard of you. If there have been comments about
you, true or untrue, they have mostly arrived from other people we had
never heard of on newsgroups to which we are not subscribed. Courtesy of
your own choice to cross-post.

You have contributed exactly zero of use on any subject in
soc.genealogy.britain but you have caused constant disruption and many
irrelevant threads from those on other newsgroups who seem to hate you
and not to care to restrict themselves in their replies but are lazily
following your cross-posting trolls.

I did ask politely some time ago for those of goodwill to remove
soc.genealogy.britain before replying ...and I am happy to say that many
did so (my thanks). Can I repeat that request?

While I agree that DSH is deserving of the utmost contempt it is also
clear that he is completely impervious to it and delights in exercising
behaviour which arouses vituperative threads. Hence his latest wheeze of
posting that mailing list. Attention at any price. Surely a contemptuous
disregard of his public turd production might bew more effective?

Says the masochist "Beat Me! Beat me!"

Says the sadist " Hmmn. I don't think I will ..."

My own apologies for cross-posting ..there was a point to it.

Liz (Greenwich UK)

Sophia

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Feb 8, 2003, 6:13:15 AM2/8/03

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D. Spencer Hines wrote:
> Anyone who is concerned about spam can easily munge an email address.

Not if they want to use it to get mail from a mailing list they can't.
>
> Edgar de Blieck did nothing wrong in posting this list of subscribers ----
> it's a convenient listing of folks who are interested in various aspects of
> Mediaeval History.

Rubbish, Hines. De Blieck had no business distributing the private
e-mail addresses of others to Usenet without permission (and he
certainly didn't have permission to distribute mine in this way, for
instance). The lists one subscribes to are a personal matter and no
one has the right to pass on such information, especially as it
involves giving out details which spammers will then harvest. Also
many people have a spam trap address which they use for Usenet and
another they use for real mail and lists. Why should someone be
allowed to compromise those addresses? It was the height of stupidity
and rudeness.

Sophia
Faith in fabulousness

>
>

Sophia

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Feb 8, 2003, 6:22:02 AM2/8/03

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centno...@hotmail.com wrote:
> For the GOOGLE cached record, here is a list of non-concealed
> subscribers to the Mediev-l academic discussion list. It may come in
> useful to some people who are in search of an email address...
>

Such as spammers. What the hell do you think you are doing? I didn't
give you permission to post my private e-mail address to Usenet, in
fact you were too arrogant and ill-mannered to even ask. Nor did I
give you permission to reveal which mailing lists I subscribe to here
on SHM.

Sophia
Faith in fabulousness

Martin Reboul

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Feb 8, 2003, 9:16:13 AM2/8/03

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Anne Gilbert wrote...

None taken my dear lady.....

So that was when you forgot to watch your 'r's over there was it? Hmmmm...
(better change the subject methinks!)

With or without an 'r' in the middle and 'e' on the end , the word 'ass'
describes him perfectly really - on both sides of the pond?

Cheers
Martin

D. Spencer Hines

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Feb 8, 2003, 1:14:09 PM2/8/03

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"The post actually originated from shm with the subject line "Mediev-l
academic discussion list email addresses", and the sig was EDEB.

Hines believes this is Edgar de Blieck, a member of Medieval-L, and Gans, et
al believe this is correct, now that the obvious has been pointed out to
them:-) They had no clue who wrote the e-mail initially, when Medieval-L was
forming their lynch mob, and drafting their complaints to Usenet, Google,
Hot.mail and the Scottish University the post was gated through...."

P. L. Moody
-----------------

Hilarious!

Are they really that stupid over on MEDIEV-L? This was a gaggle of academics?
Hilarious!

Edgar de Blieck has been signing his posts:

EDEB

For YEARS...

DAMN, if Moody is correct, they must be dumb.

So, when Edgar de Blieck wrote:

"For the GOOGLE cached record, here is a list of non-concealed
subscribers to the Mediev-l academic discussion list. It may come in
useful to some people who are in search of an email address...

EDEB."

And then followed up with his OWN name and email address at the bottom of his
post:

e.d [suppressed ---- DSH] Edgar de Blieck

They had to be *really* ignorant and insensate, indeed totally farblondjet,
not to realize who had made the post ---- from the University of Aberdeen,
Scotland ---- Edgar de Blieck.

And they needed Hines to tell them who had made the original post and desired
it be available permanently, for reference purposes, at GOOGLE?

Hilarious!

The blaggards should learn how to read.

Gans, my malicious little pet marmot, in his massive ignorance, just took the
lazy pogue's way out, of course, and attempted to blame everything on
Hines ---- a truly stupid move, but quintessentially Gansian.

Gans, to be sure, thereby came a cropper and committed Egregious Pratfall....

KAWHOMP!!!

KERSPLAT!!!

Gans, not surprisingly, in his deserved state of confused embarrassment, has
now gone as quiet as a Muslim mouse, living in a synagogue, at a Bar Mitzvah.

erilar

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Feb 8, 2003, 2:35:25 PM2/8/03

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In article <b223vv$kpb$1...@otis.netspace.net.au>, "Frank Martin"
<fr...@general.com.au> wrote:

> Tsk! How terse.
> Surely the posts here are as good as 'open letters', and if
> you wanted privacy you might have emailed the list to the
> members only.

"you" might have mailed....the list in question was originally available
to members only, until it was posted here by a thoughtless member, where
it was picked up and disseminated across a plethora of newsgroups by
quite possibly the worst loon to infect the usenet.

Read before you post now and then.

--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)

Erilar's Cave Annex:
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

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Feb 8, 2003, 10:38:31 PM2/8/03

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PLEASE STOP crossposting. Just because DSH wants to annoy lots of people,
doesn't mean that you lot have to help him.

(crossposts trimmed, leaving only DSH's main playground)

Dick Wisan

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Feb 8, 2003, 10:24:03 PM2/8/03

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"Commander":

Please do not put "Deus Vult" in you posts before the end of the
new post. You usually put it at the end, but in this last post, it
appears several times at the end of a paragraph. I nearly missed
all the good stuff.

In article <X9_0a.99$ec2....@eagle.america.net>, D. Spencer Hines D._Spenc...@usa.yale.edu says...
>
>
>I had not intended to go further into these issues, but since my pet marmot,
>Gans, and his faithful maidservant, Renia Simmonds, the expat Brit, keep
>chewing on it, like a dog with a bone, they leave me no choice but to tell the
>truth and correct their vicious lies, prevarications and disingenuousness.

>
>And I am, of course, posting to the same newsgroups where those vicious lies,
>et al., have appeared.
>

>Let it be on their heads. Deus Vult....
>
>As is his congenital habit, my pet marmot, [vide infra], P. Jonathan Gans, and
>his faithful maidservant, Renia Simmonds, are spouting codswallop, balderdash
>and tripe. It's built into their characters. It's what they do, just as it
>is in the nature of the scorpion to sting.
>
>http://scholar.chem.nyu.edu/shm/images/Chuckie.jpg
>
>The list of participants in the MEDIEV-L mailing list was posted by Edgar de
>Blieck to some folks and Phil Moody again drew our attention to it. I simply,
>quite properly, gave it a wider distribution ---- so that everyone will know
>who these Mediaeval History scholars are.
>
>Even if they change their email addresses you have their NAMES ---- that's the
>important thing ---- in order to further the goals of Sound Scholarship.
>
>There has been absolutely NO malfeasance on Phil Moody's part, on Edgar de
>Blieck's part, or on MY part.
>
>Game Over...
>
>Case Closed....
>
>Gans is ALSO lying about OTHER matters, matters on other subjects
>entirely ---- as is his marked propensity ---- completely irrelevant
>matters ---- which he and his Girl Friday, Renia, have chosen to drag into the
>discussion ---- where it has no place.
>
>We Need To Set The Record Straight....

>
>Lies cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged.
>

>Let it be on their heads.
>
>Deus Vult.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Then there appears to be a fellow named Bernie Bachrach at the University of

>D. Spencer Hines
>
>Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>--
>
>"The final happiness of man consists in the contemplation of
>truth....This is sought for its own sake, and is directed to no other
>end beyond itself." Saint Thomas Aquinas, [1224/5-1274] "Summa Contra
>Gentiles" [c.1258-1264
>
>Sol Remedium Optimum Est. Peccatoris Justificatio Absque Paenitentia,
>Legem Destruit Moralem.
>
>Vires et Honor.
>
>"It may be said that, thanks to the 'clercs', humanity did evil for two
>thousand years, but honoured good. This contradiction was an honour to
>the human species, and formed the rift whereby civilisation slipped into
>the world." "La Trahison des clercs" [The Treason of the Intellectuals]
>(1927) Julien Benda (1867-1956)
>
>"For by diligent perusing the actes of great men, by considering all the
>circumstances of them, by composing Counseiles and Meanes with events, a
>man may seem to have lived in all ages, to have been present at all
>enterprises, to be more strongly confirmed in Judgement, to have
>attained a greater experience than the longest life can possibly
>afford."
>
>John Hayward, The Lives of the III Norman Kings of England, William
>the First, William the Second and Henry I , London, 1612, Preface
>

>All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original
>material contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It
>may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution
>to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly given, in
>writing.

>------------

>
>D. Spencer Hines
>
>Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>

>Vires et Honor.
>
>

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Feb 8, 2003, 10:40:15 PM2/8/03

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Martin Reboul mar...@reboul1471.freeserve.co.uk says...

Martin,

That spelling has piqued my curiousity since I first saw it, and
for some reason associated it with a fire-hose. Do y'all spell the
animal that way, too? Is it true that, in Britain, St. Francis
liked to speak of his body as "brother arse"?

Is "arsenine" correct for the adjectival form?

(All this is vicious retaliation for forgetting about 1776 & all
that.)

D. Spencer Hines

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Feb 8, 2003, 11:45:30 PM2/8/03

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Sorry about that....

Good Point...

I'll seek Divine Guidance....

He probably does want his seal of approval to be at the very end, sort of like
_Nihil Obstat_ and _Imprimatur_. <g>

Thanks for the tip.

Deus Vult.

"I don't care a twopenny damn what becomes of the ashes of Napoleon
Buonaparte." ---- Attributed to Arthur Wellesley, [1769-1852] Duke of
Wellington

Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus.

All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original material

contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It may be quoted
only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution to the author,
unless permission is otherwise expressly given, in writing.

D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

"Dick Wisan" <wis...@catskill.net> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines

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----- Original Message -----

From: <Gayl...@aol.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: MEDIEV-L Academic Discussion List Email Addresses.

| Please tell us, Paul. What are syncophants? Sincerely, Gayle
----------------------------------------------

Yep....

Good Point....

I let that one pass, waiting to see if someone else would pick up on it.

I've opened this post to SHM, as that is where Gans normally reads ---- and
ATR, where François R. Velde hangs his chapeau.

I don't think François R. Velde normally reads SHM.

Followups are set to SHM only.

Gans left ATR off his post ---- because he was too damn stupid, slow-witted
and incoherently angry to read the header of the incoming post from François
R. Velde ---- or the header on his own outgoing.

Temper, Temper!

You have to understand you're dealing with:

Gans The Illiterate here....

Also:

Gans The Ignorant...

François R. Velde is *no one's* sycophant....

Indeed, Gans proves himself to be:

Gans The Farblondjet & Ridiculous...

For even thinking so....

Now watch Gans make some lame, half-arsed joke to the effect that
"syncophants" is a Gansian "coinage" ---- a stump compound formed from:

_synchronized [or the more clever _syncopated_] sycophants_.

How Sweet It Is!

From: "Paul J Gans" <ga...@panix.com>
alt.history.british,soc.genealogy.britain,soc.genealogy.medieval,
soc.history.medieval
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: MEDIEV-L Academic Discussion List Email Addresses.

| In soc.history.medieval Anne Gilbert <avgi...@prodigy.net> wrote:|

>Francois:
|
| >> You're the one who has cross-posted 4 follow-ups to this inane thread.
| >> I'm yelling at you.
|
| >If you insist on yelling, you're yelling at the wrong person. I seriously
| >doubt if Paul Gans even has the *time* to crosspost.
| >I don't know where the other ng's came from.
| >Anne G
|
| They came via my response to Hines's posting. I simply

| replied to that post, secure in the knowlege [sic ---- DSH] that his
| syncophants [sic ---- DSH] would be annoyed at ME

| and not HIM.
|
| Telling, isn't it.
|

| ---- Paul J. Gans

Anne Gilbert

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Feb 9, 2003, 9:58:40 PM2/9/03

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Martin:

> With or without an 'r' in the middle and 'e' on the end , the word 'ass'
> describes him perfectly really - on both sides of the pond?

Alas, yes, the term is quite descriptive of The Dispenser. What's worse is,
The Dispenser's actions often have repercussions. . . .for *other* people.
Anne G

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Feb 10, 2003, 7:50:00 PM2/10/03

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It would be "for the good of all" if you ignored him. I'm sad to say, for I've read
soem good posts from you, that you are joining DSH in my killfile.

LizR

Martin Reboul

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Feb 10, 2003, 8:15:22 PM2/10/03

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LizR wrote

Martin Reboul wrote:
>
> >
> >D. Spencer Hines wrote...
> >> Gans, my pet marmot, has clearly slipped his tether ---- his leash.
> >
> >And yet again, painfully bitten your sorry backside....
> >
> >Sorry to crosspost, but wherever the noxious 'Spencer' Hines posts, I
post.
> >For the good of all..........
> > Cheers
> > Martin
> >
>
> It would be "for the good of all" if you ignored him. I'm sad to say, for
I've read
> soem good posts from you, that you are joining DSH in my killfile.

Well I'm sorry Liz, no hard feelings. However, I'll not let him 'get away
with it'. Burying heads in sand does no good - the equivalent of
appeasment.
Best Wishes
Martin

Martin Reboul

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Feb 10, 2003, 8:26:18 PM2/10/03

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D. Spencer Hines

> | Please tell us, Paul. What are syncophants? Sincerely, Gayle
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> Yep....
>
> Good Point....
>
> I let that one pass, waiting to see if someone else would pick up on it.
>
> I've opened this post to SHM, as that is where Gans normally reads ----
and
> ATR, where François R. Velde hangs his chapeau.
>
> I don't think François R. Velde normally reads SHM.
>
> Followups are set to SHM only.
>
> Gans left ATR off his post ---- because he was too damn stupid,
slow-witted
> and incoherently angry to read the header of the incoming post from
François
> R. Velde ---- or the header on his own outgoing.
>
> Temper, Temper!
>
> You have to understand you're dealing with:

Okay, that's quite enough (rest snipped)

What you are dealing with is a sad, demented old fellow called D Spencer
Hines here. Bitter, twisted but fortunately ineffectual to a degree....

A sycophant is one who 'sucks up', 'crawls', 'worships' even. When I tell
you Gayle, that Hines does this to President Bush, I think all should become
clear?
Fond Regards
Martin

Louis Epstein

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Feb 10, 2003, 10:32:06 PM2/10/03

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In alt.talk.royalty William Addams Reitwiesner <reitw...@stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:
: "Martin Reboul" <mar...@reboul1471.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

:>D. Spencer Hines wrote...
:>> Here is the list of email addresses for most of the subscribers
:>(reportedly
:>> 1212 out of 1223) to MEDIEV-L ---- an Academic Discussion List For
:>> Medieval History.
:>>
:>> It Is A Controlled List, They Have A "Listmaster", Vide Infra ---- Not An
:>> Open USENET Newsgroup ---- As Is Soc.History.Medieval.
:>
:>Ah - this would be the same MEDIEV-L list that chucked your sorry,
:>uninformed and deeply unpleasant arse *off* that list I presume, because of
:>your rude, deceitful, childish and spitefully insulting behaviour I presume
:>Spencey?

: That wasn't the first list which chucked his sorry, uninformed and deeply
: unpleasant arse off for his rude, deceitful, childish and spitefully
: insulting behaviour. See
: <http://members.aol.com/reitwiesne/gen-royal/discipline/hines> for an
: earlier instance.

Whatever the politics involved...I would very much
appreciate an online source for the genealogy of
the Livingstons of New York,Louisiana,etc. to whom
the noted Hines messages alludes...what information
I have is sadly fragmentary.

Who would now be Lord of the Manor?

Just how was the recent Congressman descended?

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

Louis Epstein

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Feb 10, 2003, 10:35:03 PM2/10/03

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In alt.talk.royalty Ronald Lankshear <rlank...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
: I never have seen any reason for Posting on several newsgroups at once
: Please Stop

: Ron Lankshear - Sydney Aust

I have often considered it highly useful to post on several
newsgroups at once,sometimes the division of a subject area
into multiple groups strikes me as mischievous.Some groups
out there are quite rightly "joined at the hip",more threads
on both than only one.

Followups trimmed.

Martin Reboul

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Feb 11, 2003, 9:23:59 AM2/11/03

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Dick Wisan wrote...
> Martin Reboul says...

> >
> >Anne Gilbert wrote...
> >>
> >> Martin:
> >>
> >> I'm glad to see you spelling 'arse' correctly Paul - something His
Majesty
> >> > the Queen still can't seem to manage (he has enough trouble spelling
> >> > 'medieval' properly, hardly surprising really).
> >>
> >> Um. . . .correctly? Well, Paul is American, but maybe he *likes*
British
> >> spellings. Still, I seem to vaguely recall something about the year
1776
> >> and independence and all that(sorry, couldn't resist, but meant no real
> >> offense)!
> >
> >None taken my dear lady.....
> >
> >So that was when you forgot to watch your 'r's over there was it?
Hmmmm...
> >(better change the subject methinks!)
> >
> >With or without an 'r' in the middle and 'e' on the end , the word 'ass'
> >describes him perfectly really - on both sides of the pond?
>
> Martin,
>
> That spelling has piqued my curiousity since I first saw it, and
> for some reason associated it with a fire-hose. Do y'all spell the
> animal that way, too?

No, we call them 'donkeys'.

> Is it true that, in Britain, St. Francis
> liked to speak of his body as "brother arse"?

Never met him I'm afraid, though I have heard rumours about what goes on, or
did in certain cloisters... tut tut! Only the poshest of the posh would
possibly call a donkey an 'arse', but only those who didn't know their ass
from their elbow anyway.

> Is "arsenine" correct for the adjectival form?

Personally, I think it should be, and hope to see it in the next OED. I used
it to describe a certain regular contributor to this group once, and thought
it very appropriate indeed (I er, won't say who...ahem!). However, I made it
up (as well as a dictionary definition).

Surprising it wasn't done centuries ago really, but I suppose DSH wasn't
around then... whoops!

> (All this is vicious retaliation for forgetting about 1776 & all
> that.)

Oh that... ah well, never mind. All friends now... everything all right over
there without our guidance I hope?
Cheers
Martin

Graeme Wall

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Feb 10, 2003, 1:51:32 PM2/10/03

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In message <b289ti$c40$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>
"Martin Reboul" <mar...@reboul1471.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

Well don`t! The more people who ignore him, the better.
--
Graeme Wall

My genealogy website:
<http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/genealogy/index.html>

D. Spencer Hines

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Feb 13, 2003, 1:50:16 PM2/13/03

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Gans apparently *still* hasn't straightened out the dog's breakfast of a mess
he has made over on MEDIEV-L.

If he is going to pretend to be the "listmaster" over there he'd best get off
his ponderous arse and get cracking.

One of his charges and members, Edgar de Blieck, posted a list of names and
email addresses to USENET.

The post was on USENET for 21 1/2 hours with no objections, waverings,
quaverings or calls for removal by ANY of the members of MEDIEV-L ---- or by
Gans, my pet marmot ---- or indeed by anyone else.

Gans was asleep at the switch or off on safari somewhere and was not minding
the store. Neither did he have the savvy or the forethought to appoint
someone to act in his absence....an assistant listmaster.

VERY Poor Management....Typical of Gans ---- a congenitally flakey
academic....

Hines expanded the distribution on the substantive post, which had been lying
fallow for 21 1/2 hours ---- in order to get the information out to others who
might find it useful in doing their Genealogical & Historical scholarship.

Gans tardily came back to the store ---- discovered his customers and clients
were in an uproar ---- and realized his arse was grass and they all had power
lawnmowers.

So, he immediately looked for a convenient scapegoat ---- an outsider ----
Hines....and tried to pillory him.

No Sale....

Gans has come a cropper again ---- and STILL hasn't fixed the mess over on
MEDIEV-L.

KAWHOMP!!!

KERSPLAT!!!

Hilarious!

Dies Irae.

Deus Vult.

"I pass with relief from the tossing sea of Cause and Theory to the firm
ground of Result and Fact."

Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill [1874-1965] ---- The Malakand Field
Force [1898]

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D. Spencer Hines

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

Fortuna et Gloria