History of Sir Nigel Loring

[Jeffrey Ogden]

Hi,

I am reading the book "The White Company" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and was
wondering if anyone knew if Sir Nigel Loring was a real figure? I can't find
any info with my very limited resources and was wondering if anybody else
might have some. He would be a knight from the south of England and
contemporanious with the latter part of Edward III's reign. The book says he
was squire to Sir John Chandos, but I have no idea how much is history and how
much is fictional. His family device is red five roses on a white field (I
think).

Thank you for your help,

Jeffrey Ogden
endo...@snowcrest.net

[netvisio...@telaviv.netvision.net.il]

In article <52d5vi$m...@news.snowcrest.net>, <endo...@snowcrest.net> writes:
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>
> I am reading the book "The White Company" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and was
> wondering if anyone knew if Sir Nigel Loring was a real figure? I can't find
> any info with my very limited resources and was wondering if anybody else
> might have some. He would be a knight from the south of England and
> contemporanious with the latter part of Edward III's reign. The book says he
> was squire to Sir John Chandos, but I have no idea how much is history and
how
> much is fictional. His family device is red five roses on a white field (I
> think).
>

>I dont know if sir Nigel was real but I do know that Doyl had wroth
a prequal to the "WHITE COMPANT " "SIR NIGEL" wich deals with the life
of Loring as a young man.
Eli>

[Todd A. Farmerie]

Jeffrey Ogden wrote:

> I am reading the book "The White Company" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and was
> wondering if anyone knew if Sir Nigel Loring was a real figure? I can't find
> any info with my very limited resources and was wondering if anybody else
> might have some. He would be a knight from the south of England and
> contemporanious with the latter part of Edward III's reign. The book says he
> was squire to Sir John Chandos, but I have no idea how much is history and how
> much is fictional. His family device is red five roses on a white field (I
> think).

While I can't cite a good source off the top of my head, Nigel Loring
was a real person, and Knight of the Garter. I suspect a biography of
Edward III would at least mention him. I recall seeing a brief account
of him in one of the old Victoria County Histories, but unfortunately
don't recall which one. I also don't know if the connection with
Chandos is authentic.

Todd

[WMclean290]

In article <52d5vi$m...@news.snowcrest.net>, endo...@snowcrest.net

(Jeffrey Ogden) writes:

>I am reading the book "The White Company" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and
was
>wondering if anyone knew if Sir Nigel Loring was a real figure?

There was a historical Nele Loring, who was knighted for his valor at the
battle of Sluys. Since he was a poor gentleman, he was also given a
considerable estate to uphold his new dignity. He was one of the first
Knights of the Garter, and his arms were given as quarterly argent and
gules, a bend gules. He must have been a pretty impressive dude.

Don't take Conan Doyle as an accurate biography, though.

Will

[bud.ev...@gmail.com]

Sir Neil "Nigel" Loring was very much a real person. He was in fact my nineteenth great grandfather. While Doyle's stories are highly fictionalized, Sir Nigel was indeed an historical figure of note during the medieval period in England.

...from his bio: Sir Neil Loring ("Loryng" etc., alias Nigel, Latin: Nigellus) (c. 1320 - 18 March 1386) was a medieval English soldier and diplomat and a founding member of the Order of the Garter, established by King Edward III in 1348. The central character in two historical novels by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sir Nigel and The White Company, is loosely based on Neil Loring.

Google him to find out more.

Have fun and don't forget to read the prequel, "Sir Nigel".

All the Best,
E. Lewis Evans

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On Thursday, September 26, 1996 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Jeffrey Ogden wrote:
> Hi,

>
> I am reading the book "The White Company" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and was

> wondering if anyone knew if Sir Nigel Loring was a real figure? I can't find
> any info with my very limited resources and was wondering if anybody else
> might have some. He would be a knight from the south of England and
> contemporanious with the latter part of Edward III's reign. The book says he
> was squire to Sir John Chandos, but I have no idea how much is history and how
> much is fictional. His family device is red five roses on a white field (I
> think).
>

[robert...@gmail.com]

Con Doyle was a keen student of history, and did his best to make his historical characters as real as possible, and the events that surrounded them. It looks as though he created his stories of Sir Nigel based on a real man who 'rose through the ranks', though I suspect that Sir Nigel's capture of the Dauphin etc. was never a part of the actual fellows life, but part of Sir Arthur's vivid, wishful thinking!
I particularly enjoyed 'Micah Clarke', and wonder now if that was based upon a real person? Other Victorian authors were even more usive (or was it abusive?) of real characters, such as the Earl of Warwick, as featured by Bulwer Lytton in 'Last of the Barons'. personally I consider the character he produced and portrayed was far closer to the actual man than he realised, or is recognised today. Where his inspiration came from is an intriguing matter of speculation, though I think I know...