Pre-Columbian Murals and Norse Sagas Suggest Vikings Met the Aztecs

[a425couple]

Pre-Columbian Murals and Norse Sagas Suggest Vikings Met the Aztecs, and the
Outcome Was Not Pretty

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Did the Vikings visit Pre-Columbian Mexico? The depiction of white people on
Chichen Itza murals in the Temple of the Warriors probably represent
Vikings - the major European navigators around the time this temple was
built. This suggests the tradition of the "White Lords" who had visited
Mexico before the Spanish were the Vikings.
Norse Sagas Discussing Voyages that May Have Landed in Mexico

Hans Ebeling published the book ' Die Reise in die Vergangenheit III. Die
Europäer gewinnen den Erdball. Geschichte der Neuzeit bis' , in 1789. In his
text, Ebeling talked about how Moctezuma II welcomed Hernán Cortés as
Quetzalcoatl. Guðrún Guðmundsdóttir and Björn Thorsteinsson translated
Ebeling's book into Icelandic. They discussed the Eyrbggia saga in the
epilogue. This saga mentions two possible Vikings who may have sailed to the
Yucatan region of Mexico - Gudleif Gudlaugson (c.1025 AD) and Björn
Breiðvíkingakappi (c.965).

Guðmundsdóttir and Thorsteinsson claim that the Eyrbyggja saga describes how
Björn Breiðvíkingakappi (Björn the champion of the Broadwickers) sailed
around Ireland and landed in Mexico.

Drawing of Norsemen in a ship by Oscar Wergeland.

Drawing of Norsemen in a ship by Oscar Wergeland. ( Public Domain )

There are also three traditions of the Norse Sagas that mention that in 965
or 986 Ari Marson set sail from Ireland in an attempt to reach Greenland.
The story has it that Marson's ship ran into rough seas and a storm threw
him off course. Within six days he had reached Mexico instead. The Eyrbggia
saga and the voyage of Ari Marson may explain how the first white people got
to the Yucatan.

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Mural in the Temple of the Warriors, Chichen Itza, Mexico. The image shows
light-skinned men as they pack to retreat by sea, while others defend a
village or are taken away as prisoners. ( The Plumed Conch )
The White Lords' Return

Many researchers claimed that tens of thousands of indigenous peoples helped
Hernán Cortés conqueror the Mexica (Aztecs) in 1519. They formed a
confederation of a number of disparate peoples who wanted to throw off the
Aztec yoke.

Some researchers claim that the tribes joined the conquistadors' in
defeating the Aztecs because they represented a return of the "white lords".
However, most researchers say that this story about "white lords" was a myth
created during the Spanish conquest. Restall wrote that: "The legend of the
returning lords, originated during the Spanish-Mexica war in Cortés'
reworking of Moctezuma's welcome speech, had by the 1550's merged with the
Cortés-as-Quetzalcoatl legend that the Franciscans had started spreading in
the 1530s."

Codex Azcatitlan page depicting the Spanish army, with Hernán Cortés and
Malinche in front. ( Public Domain )

But this story of "white lords" in Pre-Columbian Mexico may make sense. The
Temple of the Warriors in Chichen Itza suggests that Europeans had visited
Mexico between 600-900 AD. Murals in the temple depict black, white, and
brown people. In some of these murals one can see whites fighting and in
bondage to blacks.

White prisoners in bondage to blacks. ( In the Cavity of a Rock )
The Complex Dance of the Giants

In Esotericism of the Popol Vuh by Raphael Girard, one reads about the
'Dance of the Giants'. This Mayan dance appears to represent a Pre-Columbian
conflict between white and black people in Mexico.

This book is quite illuminating. In it, Girard discusses the Dance of the
Black Giants. The dance of the Black Giants explains the reason why the
other indigenous peoples joined the Spanish in destroying the Aztec nation.
Girard's description of the Dance of the Giants is startling. He wrote:

"In the following episode, Apparition, the vicissitudes undergone by the
White Giant, who has fallen into the hands of his rival, are mimed. The
Black Giant "intimidates" his opponent by beating the ground furiously with
his sword while he makes menacing gestures and movements in hopes of
touching or wounding the White Giant, who defends himself as best he can by
trying to evade and riposte the thrusts. The battle is suspended at
intervals while the giants pay homage to the sun, but is then immediately
resumed with greater fury. During the whole episode the Black Giant
maintains a menacing stance, not only toward his rival but also toward the
large audience witnessing the spectacle. Both actors watch each other
constantly, trying to take advantage of the smallest error of the other. For
whole minutes they are motionless like statues, then cautiously cross swords
as they dart glances around in all directions as if fearing some invisible
danger. Then they come to grips and each places the point of his sword
against his opponent's neck, a tragic pose that lasts but an instant.
Finally the Black Giant succeeds in decapitating the White Giant "because
his power is greater," an episode that for the Chortí represents the moment
"when our Lord was suffering under the dominion of the bad spirit."
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[Erilar]

Is Inger back?
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[Ed Stasiak]

> a425couple
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> http://www.ancient-origins.net/history/pre-columbian-murals-and-norse-sagas-suggest-vikings-met-aztecs-and-outcome-was-not-pretty-021084

"The whites who landed at Chichen Itza were Vikings."

Now that’s some pretty impressive sailing…

http://unesco-chichen-itza.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/4/2/13428425/439627_orig.png

[SolomonW]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 08:32:53 -0800, a425couple wrote:

> Murals in the temple depict black, white, and
> brown people. In some of these murals one can see whites fighting and in
> bondage to blacks.

Albinism

[Eric Stevens]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 16:59:10 -0600, Erilar
<dra...@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

>Is Inger back?
>>
>>
Was she right?
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

[Eric Stevens]

A plague thereof?
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

[a425couple]

"Ed Stasiak" <esta...@att.net> wrote in message...
> a425couple
> http://www.ancient-origins.net/history/pre-columbian-murals-and-norse-sagas-suggest-vikings-met-aztecs-and-outcome-was-not-pretty-021084

- - "The whites who landed at Chichen Itza were Vikings."
- Now that’s some pretty impressive sailing…
http://unesco-chichen-itza.weebly.com/uploads/1/3/4/2/13428425/439627_orig.png

Sheesh!
Now when I decided to try again to post on topic material
to this newsgroup, I expected to be met by criticism
by the likes of nasty opinionated Erilar and constantly
off topic and partisian Tiglath, but not you Ed.

Have recent events totally destroyed this newsgroup?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chichen_Itza
"Chichen Itza was a major economic power in the northern Maya
lowlands during its apogee.[16] Participating in the water-borne
circum-peninsular trade route through its port site of Isla Cerritos
on the north coast,[17] Chichen Itza was able to obtain locally
unavailable resources from distant areas such as obsidian from
central Mexico and gold from southern Central America.
Between AD 900 and 1050 Chichen Itza expanded to become a
powerful regional capital controlling north and central Yucatán.
It established Isla Cerritos as a trading port."

So, the Aztecs or Maya were able, without wheels or beasts,
to haul their trade goods the 115 kilometers between port
and capital, but you do not think the Vikings could possibly
have walked it?

[Robert Mulain]

Utter crap, they merely confuse 'white' with a paler shade of 'grey' (as in alien). An easy mistake to make for the uninformed!

[Robert Mulain]

On Saturday, 3 December 2016 22:59:11 UTC, Erilar wrote:
> Is Inger back?

I do hope so! Missing her sadly....

[Erilar]

This subject line did raise the question in my mind 8-)