[Carib] New Orleans, West Indies

[Marg Smith]

Hi List Members

I am attempting to help my daughter-in-law trace her family history. She has had some discussions with her father, who has returned to Barbados, but are we being misled ??

Is there an area known as "New Orleans" somewhere in the West Indies as this is what we are told is the birth place of her father??

His year of birth was 1937, so perhaps area names have changed since then?? I have had no luck with an advanced Google search, and his year of birth is out of the year range for filmed LDS birth / baptism records, so we thought we would start with the "New Orleans" question!!

Any assistance greatly appreciated
Marg Smith
Mardi, NSW
Australia

[Rory McGregor]

Almost certainly that refers to New Orleans in Louisiana (in the US).
IN the 19th century it was the most important US city that was on the
Caribbean sea with many direct links with the islands.

Hope this helps.
Rory

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[Ernest M. Wiltshire]

Hello Marg: (is that Gibson???). No you are not being misled. There is
indeed a district called New Orleans, in the parish of St. Michael, and in
fact that is where several famous Barbadian cricketers were born, Sir Clyde
Walcott(one of the 3 Ws)& his older brother Keith Walcott; also George
Griffith who played for Cambridge University. [Sir Clyde's grandmother lived
next door to my great grandmother in Bank Hall]. Will try and pin down the
exact location for you.

What is the name of your dau in law's father? I can see if I can find
anything on him in my records.
Regards
Ernest Wiltshire

[Marg Smith]

A big thank you to Ernest (and your very reliable informant), Rory and
Augusta for your information and input.

On Google Maps I have now found the district of New Orleans, St Michael,
Bridgetown, Barbados! Yes, just a little bit more info helps!

I have also looked at the Department of Archives website, but realise we
must start at the Registration Department. The links to this department and
the http://lawcourts.gov.bb/ website seem to have little advice re ordering
certificates. The Ministry for Foreign Affairs and Trade at
http://www.foreign.gov.bb/pageselect.cfm?page=110 have directions and a form
for ordering, however I cannot find any information re:

* what information will be on a birth certificate (born 1937 New Orleans, St
Michael, Bridgetown, Barbados)?

* can anyone order a birth certificate from the Registration Department, or
is there (like most countries) a restriction (eg: in Australia we cannot
purchase a certificate for anyone born after 1908, with certain exceptions
of course)

* can you order online, or over the phone, with credit card, if you know the
date of birth??

Hopefully we can obtain more information from the gentleman himself,
however, we are not sure as yet whether he is very interested!!

Thank you again everyone

Marg Smith
Mardi, NSW
Australia

[Richard Oliver]

The two sites below may be of interest for those interested in the founding
in 1718 of New Orleans itself.
I dont know when the one in Barbados got its name but if it was after that
they I guess it was borrowed from the US town.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans
http://www.madere.com/history.html

Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <mur...@synapse.net>
To: <cari...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Carib] New Orleans, West Indies

> Hi Augusta: I have no idea where the name comes from or how far back it
> dates, but my very reliable informant has just sent me the following info:
>
> ..."Yes, there is a district called New Orleans situated between St.
> Leonard's Secondary School and Baxter's Road, St. Michael...."
>
> That is in the capital, Bridgetown; and he adds that it is now a very
> poverty stricken neighbourhood where there was much conflict in the 1990s
> between police and drug gangs! Sound familiar?
>
> That would certainly not have been the case in the 1920s and 1930s, the
> drug
> culture being a very recent phenomenon, but one that has had devastating
> effects in so many Caribbean territories. So much for "progress".
> Ernest

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: caribbea...@rootsweb.com
> [mailto:caribbea...@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf Of Augusta Elmwood
> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:56 PM
> To: cari...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [Carib] New Orleans, West Indies

> If I may jump in here... why was it named New Orleans? Do you suppose at
> some time a group of N.O. natives re-settled there & gave it that name?
> Interesting! It's a good thing we have all you erudites on this list or
> Marge would probably be climbing up the wrong tree! Hooray for networking
> and the internet and all the good people of the Caribbean List !
> Thanks,
> Augusta in...
> the OTHER New Orleans :-)

[Ernest M. Wiltshire]

Since there may be others with similar questions on ordering birth
certificates from the Barbados Registration Department, I shall quote here
from Geraldine Lane's "Tracing Ancestors in Barbados" and hope that will be
of some help. (This book is inexpensive and is an invaluable aid for anyone
doing serious research on Barbados families).
Ernest Wiltshire

The address is as follows:
The Barbados Registration Department
Supreme Court of Barbados
Law Courts
Coleridge Street
Bridgetown
Barbados
Telephone (246) 426-3461
FAX (246) 426-2405
Opening hours: Mon-Fri 8.30 a.m. to 4 p.m.

Excerpts pps 19-21.
"... It is helpful when you approach staff at the Registration Department
for help in retrieving records, if you can give them as much information as
possible about the people you are looking for. These are not easy records to
access and any details gathered from family papers and relatives will make
the task easier.
Contents of the records
Births
Registration of births began in 1890 and the information given has changed
slightly over time. A certificate will have columns for the following, some
or all of which will be completed:
When born; name; sex; name and surname of father; name and maiden name of
mother; place of residence and occupation of both parents; date registered;
name and abode of informant.

...If you are based outside Barbados you should write, fax or phone (no
email is available);

... A staff member will conduct a brief search of the records held on
computer and you should provide as much of the following information as
possible:
Birth
The person's name, date of birth, names of parents and parish of birth.
The cost of certificates is currently as follows: birth B$1, death $B$5,
cause of death B$10, marriage B$10 if at least one party was a citizen of
Barbados or $20 if neither party was a citizen. ...

Births can be confusing since up to about 1970 they are listed by the name
of the parent or parents rather than the child's name. So if you know the
child's name but not the names of the parent/parents you will not be able to
use these records*. An alternative is the baptism records, which are indexed
under the child's name. These are held in the same office and can be seen by
the public."

*[Geraldine was referring here to people doing research themselves, but when
ordering from abroad it might be wise to specify that a baptism record would
be an acceptable alternative: the baptism certificate usually gives the
birth date as well as the baptism date]. EW

-----Original Message-----
From: caribbea...@rootsweb.com [mailto:caribbea...@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Marg Smith
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:05 AM
To: cari...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Carib] New Orleans, West Indies

[Marg Smith]

Thank you for your detailed explanation Ernest. I really appreciate your
assistance.
Regards
Marg Smith

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From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <mur...@synapse.net>
To: <cari...@rootsweb.com>

[Marg Smith]

Hello List

I have left my earlier postings below, and have made some advances in my
research, which (naturally!!) leads to more questions.

Question 1: Barbys Hill? Barbies Hill?? I have scoured the Google map for
Barbados, but have had no luck! Maybe its name has changed??

Question 2: Where would birth, death and marriage records between 1928 and
1942 be held please?? I am I correct in saying these dates are on the "cusp"
and some would be at the Barbados Registration Department and some would be
at the Barbados Department of Archives?

The parents of the gentleman in my earlier enquiry (born in 1937) were

Stanley Beresford LYNCH born in (the parish of ??) Christchurch and

Miriam Arnester LYNCH, formerly McLEAN, born Barbys Hill . I am not sure of
the correct spelling of this location, or the middle name Arnester.

Stanley LYNCH (also known as Leonard LYNCH) was a mason by profession.

Miriam LYNCH died about 1942.

I have not had any success with telephoning the Barbados Registration
Department, but once I sort out the place names above I'll try again, in
writing, hopefully with more success, and have also sent an email enquiry to
the Barbados Department of Archives, meanwhile any ideas and assistance
would be very welcome.

Many thanks

Marg Smith
Mardi, NSW
Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <mur...@synapse.net>
To: <cari...@rootsweb.com>

Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:51 AM

Subject: Re: [Carib] New Orleans, West Indies

>
> Hello Marg: No you are not being misled. There is

> indeed a district called New Orleans, in the parish of St. Michael, and in
> fact that is where several famous Barbadian cricketers were born, Sir
> Clyde
> Walcott(one of the 3 Ws)& his older brother Keith Walcott; also George
> Griffith who played for Cambridge University. [Sir Clyde's grandmother
> lived
> next door to my great grandmother in Bank Hall]. Will try and pin down the
> exact location for you.
>
> What is the name of your dau in law's father? I can see if I can find
> anything on him in my records.
> Regards
> Ernest Wiltshire
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: caribbea...@rootsweb.com
> [mailto:caribbea...@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf Of Marg Smith

> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:44 AM
> Subject: [Carib] New Orleans, West Indies
> ... I am attempting to help my daughter-in-law trace her family history.
> She
> has had some discussions with her father, who has returned to Barbados,
> but
> are we being misled ??
> Is there an area known as "New Orleans" somewhere in the West Indies as
> this
> is what we are told is the birth place of her father??
> His year of birth was 1937, so perhaps area names have changed since
> then??
> I have had no luck with an advanced Google search, and his year of birth
> is
> out of the year range for filmed LDS birth / baptism records, so we
> thought
> we would start with the "New Orleans" question!!
> Any assistance greatly appreciated

[Ernest M. Wiltshire]

Hello Marg. I am pretty sure that the reference is to Barbarees Hill in St.
Michael. It is my belief that the area is named after a family which is in
Barbados from at least 1690, the first seemingly a John BARBARIE, though the
spelling evolved over time.

All BMD records up to 1930 have been microfilmed, and the films can be
viewed at any LDS Family History Centre. Anything after 1930 would be at the
Registry Department.

If you can get to a Family History Centre you should be able to search the
microfilm records yourself for the parents as their birth records should be
on microfilm, now that you know the 2 parishes to concentrate on.

Their marriage though may be after 1930 and that would most likely be at the
Registry. Make sure to check the variant spellings of McClean, McCleen etc.

Unfortunately I have nothing on either of them. I checked Lynch burials on
the Barbados tombstones website and can find nothing that matches.
Good luck with your search.
Ernest

-----Original Message-----
From: caribbea...@rootsweb.com [mailto:caribbea...@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Marg Smith
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:34 AM
To: cari...@rootsweb.com
Subject: [Carib] McLEAN family from Barbys Hill??

Hello List I have left my earlier postings below, and have made some

advances in my 1research, which (naturally!!) leads to more
questions.

Question 1: Barbys Hill? Barbies Hill?? I have scoured the Google map for
Barbados, but have had no luck! Maybe its name has changed??

Question 2: Where would birth, death and marriage records between 1928 and
1942 be held please?? I am I correct in saying these dates are on the "cusp"

and some would be at the Barbados Registration Department and some would be
at the Barbados Department of Archives?

The parents of the gentleman in my earlier enquiry (born in 1937) were
Stanley Beresford LYNCH born in (the parish of ??) Christchurch and Miriam

Arnester LYNCH, formerly McLEAN, born Barbys Hill. I am not sure of the

[Marg Smith]

Thank you once again for your assistance Ernest, I really appreciate it.

Regards
Marg Smith

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest M. Wiltshire" <mur...@synapse.net>
To: <cari...@rootsweb.com>

[Marg Smith]

I have come across some interesting middle names with my research in
England, where BLENKINSOP for example was the mother's maiden name of Thomas
Blenkinsop URWIN, and the US. where, again, middle names such as UNDERHILL
and RYERSON were the mother's maiden name, or at least a family connection.

Is this a similar situation in the Caribbean?? The middle names of Stanley
Beresford LYNCH and Miriam Arnester McLEAN appear to be a form of surname
rather than a christian name. One of their children had Eustace as a middle
name, another had McDonald as a middle name.

Any opinions very welcome!

[Phillip Abbott - Abbott Farms]

Dear Marg ,

That was a pretty regular practise in those days and not only in the West
Indies .

Regards ,

Phillip

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From: "Marg Smith" <msmi...@tpg.com.au>
To: <cari...@rootsweb.com>

[tony figueroa]

 
My greatgrandmother's maiden name Ritchie, was passed down as a middle name in our family for both female and male members. My brother bears the name as a middle name but unfortunately it wasn't gtiven to me.
 
Tony Figueroa

--- On Wed, 2/10/10, Phillip Abbott - Abbott Farms <abb...@candw.ag> wrote:

Dear Marg ,

Regards ,

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[Geri Lucas]

This fact is true in my family as well as others here in eastern North Carolina.  Many times in research it has been helpful in discovering the mother's maiden name.  We have William Gibbs Spencer, Thomas Spencer Gibbs as well as William Selby Gibbs.  Also there was a period of time when the names of the famous entered families i.e. Benjamin Franklin Gibbs, George Washngton Gibbs, Alonzo Jefferson Gibbs.  The one that tripped everyone up was R.M.G.M. Gibbs.  It as not figured out until a will was witnessed by a high court official with the name R.M.G. Moore, then thru various other official records all the initials became reality for us.  They had to be creative as we have familes a large as 22 children.

 
As Always, Geri
 

--- On Wed, 2/10/10, tony figueroa <tfig...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[lwa...@comcast.net]

I have the middle name Sinclair in at least two generations of my
Grays in St. Croix, one b. 1820, another 1853. If you come across
Sinclair, I'd appreciate any clues.

Best regards,
Laura in a very blustery SW Va (40 mph gusts)

[lwa...@comcast.net]

Folks, I am (slowly) making my way through Westergaard's "The Danish
West Indies" and note in his preface that he mentions these spellings.
They might help for database searches.

Wetergaard says he anglicized many of the names and offered this list:
Christian for Christiern
George for Jorgen
Peter for Peder and Pieter
John for Jan, Johan, Johannes and Jens
Oliver for Oliger
William for Wilem and Wilhelm
Severin for Soren

--Laura

[Marg Smith]

Thank you everyone for your replies to my posting.

Hopefully, it will also help my research knowing these middle names may have
some family connections.

A bit of Googling found:

BERESFORD - a location name of Anglo Saxon origin in England, well before
the Norman conquest, which also became established in Ireland

EUSTACE - a given and surname, of Greek origins, brought to Britain with the
Norman conquest, spreading to Ireland...

McDONALD and McLEAN are obviously of Scottish and Scottish / Irish origins

ARNESTER took a little more searching. With no hits with sites that provided
the above information, so a surname search on the IGI records show it is
obviously of German origin
.
So, shall also keep these names in mind when I start checking LDS films.

Many Thanks again
Marg Smith

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marg Smith" <msmi...@tpg.com.au>
To: <cari...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 9:51 PM
Subject: [Carib] Interesting Middle Nmaes

>I have come across some interesting middle names with my research in
> England, where BLENKINSOP for example was the mother's maiden name of
> Thomas
> Blenkinsop URWIN, and the US. where, again, middle names such as
> UNDERHILL
> and RYERSON were the mother's maiden name, or at least a family
> connection.
>
> Is this a similar situation in the Caribbean?? The middle names of Stanley
> Beresford LYNCH and Miriam Arnester McLEAN appear to be a form of surname
> rather than a christian name. One of their children had Eustace as a
> middle
> name, another had McDonald as a middle name.
>
> Any opinions very welcome!
>
> Marg Smith
> Mardi, NSW
> Australia
>