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Cindy Kilgore

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Aug 30, 2001, 8:46:10 PM8/30/01
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This is for you, James Cropper, the St. Vincent genealogical sleuth -
Sona ceann-bliadhna, mon!

George McIntosh Browne is son of Reverend Thomas Browne of Grand Sable -
and also, overseer. Grandfather was Colonel Thomas Browne of the King's
Rangers.
David Cowie in 1872 (of Argyle Estate) becomes manager of Grand Sable:
"1484 acres or thereabouts.... will be sold by Auction 6 Nov 1872 at
1:00 pm precisely in City of London... a very large and valueable SUGAR
ESTATE." seller is Samuel Spofforth, 350 Great George Street,
Westminister. 14 Feb 1872
"Affidavit of Service of Conditional Order for Sale..." letter from John
H. Hazell, Esquire, of Kingtown (proprietor of Mt. Bentinck Estate) -
written to David Kennedy Porter. Yet another letter from John H. Hazell.
And then one from DK Porter claiming a store on the Grand Sable Estate.
very small print similar to our own Jim Cropper. several letters from DK
Porter and then finally making sense as it is in reference to "evidence
of Robert Sutherland as to ownership of Bay Store." (which is located on
border of property). Affidavit of Robert Byrce Blair as to ownership of
store. (Blairs were a powerful military family in Dumfries-Galloway).

Estate of Charles Paul up for Auction; petitioner being David Kennedy
Porter and Henry Creswell. Paul is deceased and in his will of 1823 he
mentions his wife, Elizabeth and children. Will includes Kingstown
Estate, all the slaves, buildings and stock. mentions Alexander Innes,
Alexander Cumming, and Gilbert Munro. Alexander Innes is of Guilford
Street in Middlesex County, and Robert Young, attorney, is in St.
Vincent.

Last Will of William McKenzie - 2 July 1863 -
"I give and devise unto David Kennedy Porter, Alexander Scott Chambers
and Henry Creswell all of the said Island Esquires and their Heirs my
Sugar Estates in the said Island called Liberty Lodge and New Adelphi
and Camacaribou lands..." to sell at Public Auction to pay off debts. to
invest for him to send annual profits to his dad, James McKenzie of Rose
Bank Cairn in Scotland. And after his dad's death, to his 3 sisters;
Janet, Margaret, and Mary. His personal effects - a watch to Mary
Cumming, late of Lot 14 Estate, now in Canada.

In Charles Paul's Will, he has his Kingstown Park Estate up for auction
in 1867. Mentions John William Innes of Hampstead, County Middlesex.
Niven McKenzie was overseer/manager. David Kennedy Porter was employed
by Niven as a bookkeeper or accountant and Town Agent for Kingstown Park
Estate. Bought supplies, transacted the business of shipping the sugar
and other produce. mentions Bullock. Niven is brother to William
McKenzie. Henry Creswell is of Hope Estate, St. Vincent. Niven has
ledger right down to the purchase of a fiddle. Reverend Charles Paul is
originally from County of Somerset.

Charles Paul left St. Vincent for Westminister in County Wiltshire,
England - 36 years before his death at Portunna Rectory, County Galway,
Ireland. d. 11 April 1861. His youngest son, William Francis Bourne Paul
was born 25 March 1844, and last heard from in Sarawak (Indian Seas).
Gertrude Paul is widow and William Francis is presumed lost at sea.
Eldest son living (at the time of Will) was Reverend Charles Keegan
Paul. Auction estate of 138 acres, sugar plantation. Auction at 1pm 23
July 1866 at Garraway's Coffee House, Change Alley, Cornhill, London.

Boy, did I make somebody's day?!?!? How's that for back to a little
genealogy? Here's to you, Jim! brosnaich!

best wishes to all,
Cindy


James W. Cropper

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Aug 31, 2001, 2:19:57 PM8/31/01
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Hi Cindy & All,

Well you have certainly made my day! Having left the Island 55 years ago, I don't know
any Vincentian lingo, so am unsure if a compliment, insult, or a birthday wish! David
Kennedy PORTER owned much, if not most of the Island, during his lifetime. His small
handwriting was probably due to the signing of many documents, deeds, cheques, etc. I
hadn't realized my handwriting is small but, if so, it is probably due to my use of
post-it notes!

Too much information overload in the posting to reply fully. Dealing with PAUL only - the
family has great ties to WARNER, HORNE, and KEGAN. The second paragraph has :-

" Estate of Charles Paul up for Auction; petitioner being David Kennedy Porter and Henry
Creswell. Paul is deceased and in his will of 1823 he mentions his wife, Elizabeth and
children. Will includes Kingstown Estate, all the slaves, buildings and stock. mentions
Alexander Innes, Alexander Cumming, and Gilbert Munro. Alexander Innes is of Guilford
Street in Middlesex County, and Robert Young, attorney, is in St. Vincent."

I don't believe Charles PAUL or DK PORTER are involved as the information appears to
concern the Hon. Robert PAUL (1746-1823) - Member of H.M. Council and Lt. Governor of St.
Vincent 1802 to 1820. His will is dated 28 Aug 1823 and was probated 15 Oct 1823. He
married 12 Oct 1792, his 3rd significant other, Elizabeth WARNER (1778-1833). Both died
in SV and the other names mentioned are from SV.

The fifth & sixth paragraphs involve the Rev'd Charles PAUL (b 1802 SV probably Bequia - d
1861) and his family. He married on 21 May 1827 in Bath, Frances Kegan HORNE (b 1802 SV -
d 1848 Royal Crescent, Bath) and had 10 children between 1828 and 1848. He later married
Gertrude COSSINS with no issue. I don't believe the Reverend Charles PAUL was originally
from County of Somerset but is where his children were born and raised. The ancestral
home of the aforementioned Robert PAUL appears to have been Ayr, Port Glasgow, Scotland.

The Rev'd Charles' eldest son living (at the time of Will), Reverend Charles Kegan PAUL
(1828-1902) was Vicar of Starminister. He was married to Margaret Agnes COLVILE.

The Rev'd Charles' youngest son, William Francis Bourne PAUL was born 25 March 1844, and
"last heard from in Sarawak (Indian Seas) and presumed lost at sea". He was a Colonial
Administrator and married in 1876 Nona Baptista BETHELL of Bath daughter of the Hon. John
BETHELL. He may have been "presumed lost at sea" but he surfaced again and died in the
early 1900's in Monte Carlo of all places.

Cindy - thanks again for the bagatelle.

Jim

Anthony Warrington

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Sep 1, 2001, 7:49:53 AM9/1/01
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Hi James,
Re William Paul who was lost at sea .I think Cindy could be referring to his
son Noel. During the seige of Singapore in WW2
Noel was engaged to take aboard his ship ,the Viner Brooke ,all the
Australian nurses and some casualties and take them back to Brisbane.The
ship was divebombed for two days and finally sunk in the Java sea. Some
survived to swim ashore.The Japanese found them and they were all bayonetted
or shot save one nurse who lived to tell the tale.When the story came out
there was quite a fuss about it all. Noel had a son and some brothers who
didn't come back. It's all a long long way from St V. Its just for the
record.

Regards Anthony.

----- Original Message -----
From: James W. Cropper <JamesW..Cropper@sympatico.ca>
To: <CARIB...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:28 PM.
Subject: Re: SV bagatelle


> Hi Cindy & All,
>
> Well you have certainly made my day! Having left the Island 55 years ago,
I don't know
> any Vincentian lingo, so am unsure if a compliment, insult, or a birthday
wish! David
> Kennedy PORTER owned much, if not most of the Island, during his lifetime.
His small
> handwriting was probably due to the signing of many documents, deeds,
cheques, etc. I
> hadn't realized my handwriting is small but, if so, it is probably due to
my use of
> post-it notes!
>
> Too much information overload in the posting to reply fully. Dealing with
PAUL only - the
> family has great ties to WARNER, HORNE, and KEGAN. The second paragraph
has :-
>

> " Estate of Charles Paul up for Auction; petitioner being David Kennedy
Porter and Henry
> Creswell. Paul is deceased and in his will of 1823 he mentions his wife,
Elizabeth and
> children. Will includes Kingstown Estate, all the slaves, buildings and
stock. mentions
> Alexander Innes, Alexander Cumming, and Gilbert Munro. Alexander Innes is
of Guilford
> Street in Middlesex County, and Robert Young, attorney, is in St.
Vincent."
>

> The Rev'd Charles' youngest son, William Francis Bourne PAUL was born 25
March 1844, and


> "last heard from in Sarawak (Indian Seas) and presumed lost at sea". He
was a Colonial
> Administrator and married in 1876 Nona Baptista BETHELL of Bath daughter
of the Hon. John
> BETHELL. He may have been "presumed lost at sea" but he surfaced again
and died in the
> early 1900's in Monte Carlo of all places.
>
> Cindy - thanks again for the bagatelle.
>
> Jim
>
> Cindy Kilgore wrote:
>

James W. Cropper

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Sep 2, 2001, 12:16:45 PM9/2/01
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Hi Anthony,

Thank you for adding a bit of interesting and additional information on the PAUL family.
Looks like Cindy added a few "twigs" to your Family Tree. Hope my citing of your
information was correct.

Say hello to Michael for me.

Jim

Michael Drentea

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Jul 25, 2020, 8:02:14 PM7/25/20
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Is anyone still working on this thread? [Michael Drentea] Son of Molly Gonsalves

Liz Thom

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May 22, 2021, 11:14:26 PM5/22/21
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Hi Cindy,
Are you still at this address?
I realise this post is 20 years old but it just appeared in results from my Google searches!
I am a direct descendent of Robert Paul of St Vincent...
Would love to connect with any others? Sounds like some people have been amazingly good with their genealogical searching!
Liz (lizt...@gmail.com)
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