MONTSERRAT families WYKE IRISH FRYE COOK HODGES
David Daniell
Can anyone tell me with confidence the full names / identities of all
these people mentioned in the following passage?
"March 16. (1724) 91 . Governor Hart to the Council of Trade and
Plantations. . . . .
(concerning the disrespectful - to him- behaviour of William Fry a
member of the Council of the Island)
" . . . Upon which I suspended the said Fry from setting any more in
H.M. Council till His Royal pleasure was known thereon : This I did by
vertue of the last clause of my 13th Instruction ; for these reasons
which I cou'd not communicate to the Council, (vizt.) That a majority
of them were his very near relations by blood or alliance, Mr. Wyke
being Mr. Fry's own nephew, Mr. Irish married his neice, and is also
his relation in blood, Mr. Cook and Mr. Hodges are his cozin Germans ;
which if I shou'd have openly mention'd wou'd have been accusing them
of partiallity; . . . "
this is what I know including that imputed from the above passage:
FRY(e) - William Frye a member of the Council (son of a sister of the
next?)
WYKE - apparently a brother of Edward Wyke 1682-? sometime lieutenant-
governor of the Island
IRISH - William Irish, abt 1690-1725 spouse of Sarah Wyke, abt
1708-1748 d/o Edward above. Widowed she married Col. Samuel Martin
COOK and HODGES - first cousins to William Frye (= cousins german) and
so the same to Wyke?
How is Frye "a relation in blood" to Irish?
I'd be very glad to know anything more about these families even if it
only confirms what I know.
David Daniell
Auckland New Zealand
C.M. Codrington
I have The History of Antigua laid out with morning coffee and I'm looking
over the will of William Fry, president of the Council of Montserrat etc.
Gov Hart and he had a disagreement and in typical fashion Hart had snit fit
and suspended the proceedings.
I think Oliver has most of the relations in here...will try and jot it all
down. Have you seen this?
ChrisCod
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cecilia
>" . . . Upon which I suspended the said Fry from setting any more in
>H.M. Council till His Royal pleasure was known thereon : This I did by
>vertue of the last clause of my 13th Instruction ; for these reasons
>which I cou'd not communicate to the Council, (vizt.) That a majority
>of them were his very near relations by blood or alliance, Mr. Wyke
>being Mr. Fry's own nephew, Mr. Irish married his neice, and is also
>his relation in blood, Mr. Cook and Mr. Hodges are his cozin Germans ;
>which if I shou'd have openly mention'd wou'd have been accusing them
>of partiallity; . . . "
>this is what I know including that imputed from the above passage:
>FRY(e) - William Frye a member of the Council (son of a sister of the
>next?)
>WYKE - apparently a brother of Edward Wyke 1682-? sometime lieutenant-
>governor of the Island
>IRISH - William Irish, abt 1690-1725 spouse of Sarah Wyke, abt
>1708-1748 d/o Edward above. Widowed she married Col. Samuel Martin
>COOK and HODGES - first cousins to William Frye (= cousins german) and
>so the same to Wyke?
>How is Frye "a relation in blood" to Irish?
FRY is uncle of WYKE, not nephew.
COOK and HODGES would be related to WYKE, first cousins to his mother
so first cousin once removed to him.
If Sarah Wyke is a child of Edward Wyke, it is possibly that WYKE is
also, or Sarah and WYKE may be first cousins with their mothers being
sisters, nee Fry, who married two (one each) men named Wyke that need
not have been brothers, but (given the size of the community) were
probably related.
There is no indication above how FRY and IRISH are related. I think
it likely to be more distant than first cousin once removed, or it
would have been spelled out, unless the point was felt to have already
been adequately made.
David Daniell
Its 2:40 am here - back tomorrow!
David
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David Daniell
I'm very sorry I found your message when I was at least 50% asleep and
deteriorating rapidly. That was a great opportunity and if you get
the chance to make the offer again I'd really like to know what can be
found there. Particularly as it seems - as Cecilia points out - I
must be a Frye descendant.
There seems to be no copy of V L Oliver's History of Antigua (but
there is a Caribbeana) in New Zealand in a public library or our
National Library. I've just re-checked that. Six or seven years
ago I rented the LDS film and after several hours at a microfilm
reader decided my Irish family featured so little it was not worth the
hassle.
Now on a re-visit and with wider horizons I realise the within-W-I
family relationships were much more involved than I'd realised.
Back to your generous offer. While transcripts would be great and
would be shared with the List, scans are a better use of time.
However sometime soon I will rent The History of Antigua film again so
I'd be grateful for a steer towards the parts likely to be of most
interest. I didn't realise THoA had will transcripts in it.
I've cobbled up from published sources not totally reliable trees for
the following families. If these trees are of interest to anyone
else I can put them on a personal website. Then it would be great if
people told me where I'm wrong and where bits might be added. I only
go up to the end of the 18th century thereafter being plain sailing.
Blake Byam Cruikshank Freeman Frye Gibbes Hutchinson Irish Martin
Stapleton Warner Webb Wyke
Cheers
David
David Daniell
Thank you for putting me right.
Does this make sense now?
a majority of them were his very near relations by blood or alliance,
Mr. Wyke being Mr. Fry's own nephew, Mr. Irish married his neice, and
is also his relation in blood, Mr. Cook and Mr. Hodges are his cozin
Germans ; which if I shou'd have openly mention'd wou'd have been
accusing them of partiallity; . . . "
this is what I know including that imputed from the above passage:
FRY(e) - William Frye a member of the Council (brother of the wife of
Edward Wyke so uncle of the next)
[can any other arrangement fit? I think not.]
WYKE - George Wyke a son of Edward Wyke 1682-? sometime lieutenant-
governor of the Island
[I agree with your comments. Also Sarah and George might have same
father but different mothers]
IRISH - William Irish, abt 1690-1725 spouse of Sarah Wyke, abt
1708-1748 d/o Edward above. Widowed she married Col. Samuel Martin
COOK and HODGES - first cousins to William Frye (= cousins german) and
so the same to Wyke?
Because, it seems to me, all the relationships are to Wm Frye, the man
in trouble.
I know this is not quite the way you analysed it but do you now
disagree with any part of it? This is quite important to me - the
statement seems to be saying they are all related to my ancestor Wm
Irish! Sorry to be a nuisance.
cheers,
David
On Nov 3, 2007, at 2:05 AM, cecilia wrote:
> David Daniell wrote:
>> " . . . Upon which I suspended the said Fry from setting any more in
>>
. . . . . .
> FRY is uncle of WYKE, not nephew.
>
> COOK and HODGES would be related to WYKE, first cousins to his mother
> so first cousin once removed to him.
>
> If Sarah Wyke is a child of Edward Wyke, it is possibly that WYKE is
> also, or Sarah and WYKE may be first cousins with their mothers being
> sisters, nee Fry, who married two (one each) men named Wyke that need
> not have been brothers, but (given the size of the community) were
> probably related.
>
> There is no indication above how FRY and IRISH are related. I think
> it likely to be more distant than first cousin once removed, or it
> would have been spelled out, unless the point was felt to have already
> been adequately made.
>
Ernest M. Wiltshire
quite central to my research, as they tie in to my Barbados families the
others peripheral, and I have not studied them in great detail. I dont have
time to respond more fully now, as to day I am going walkabout...
I attach a bit of Frye & Wyke (footnotes & sources not included) until I
finish walkabout, and might be more help! Hope this is useful in the
meantime. There is much more, but probably better done off-list as I think
this is too long already.
Ernest Wiltshire
Frye Generation One
1. John1 FRYE (Planter) was born in of Antigua B.W.I. He and Katherine
Tuck married. He and Mary King married. Children of John1 Frye (Planter)
and Katherine Tuck were:
2. i. Col. John2 FRYE The Elder was born in of Antigua B.W.I. He
and Frances married. He and Henrietta Warner married
before 1696. He and Mary Blackman married before 1724. Children of John1
Frye (Planter) and Mary King were:
3. i. Samuel2 FRYE and Mary married.
Generation Two
2. Col. John2 FRYE The Elder (John1) was born in of Antigua B.W.I. He and
Frances married. He and Henrietta Warner married before 1696. He and Mary
Blackman married before 1724. He died on 14 Aug 1747 in Antigua B.W.I.3
Children of Col. John2 Frye The Elder and Frances were as follows:
i. William3 FFRYE.
4. ii. Frances FFRYE was born in 1713. She and Hon. Maj. John
Duer married on 26 Apr 1739 in St. Philip's, Antigua B.W.I.
Children of Col. John2 Frye The Elder and Henrietta Warner were as
follows:
i. Rowland3 FRYE.
ii. Samuel FRYE.
5. iii. John FRYE Jun. Esq. was born in 1697. He and Elizabeth
Morris married.
6. iv. Henrietta Maria FRYE was born in 1703. She and George Byam
(merchant) married.
Mary BLACKMAN died on 11 Jun 1769. There were no children of Col. John2
Frye The Elder and Mary Blackman.
3. Samuel2 FRYE (John1) and Mary married.
Children of Samuel2 Frye and Frye Mary were:
7. i. Francis3 FRYE and Dorothy Doig married.
Generation Three
4. Frances3 FFRYE (John2 Frye, John1) was born in 1713. She and Hon. Maj.
John Duer married on 26 Apr 1739 in St. Philip's, Antigua B.W.I. She died
on 3 Jul 1787. Hon. Maj. John DUER was born in 1697; he was of Duers,
Antigua B.W.I. & of Fulham, London, Middlesex, England. He died on 1 Dec
1764.
Children of Frances3 Ffrye and Hon. Maj. John Duer were as follows:
i. Mary4 DUER.
8. ii. Theodora DUER was born between 1743 and 1744. She and Rt.
Hon. George Rose married on 7 Jul 1769.
iii. Henrietta DUER was born in 1746. She died on 11 May 1811.
iv. Frances DUER was born in 1751. She died on 20 Sep 1835.
v. Elizabeth Grace DUER was born in 1757. She died on 15 Sep
1835.
5. John3 FRYE Jun. Esq. (John2, John1) was born in 1697. He and Elizabeth
Morris married. He died in 1745.
Elizabeth MORRIS was born in 1710 in of Antigua B.W.I. She died on 6
Aug 1768 in Fulham, London, Middlesex, England. She was the daughter of
Colonel Valentine Morris of Antigua. Children of John3 Frye Jun. Esq. and
Elizabeth Morris were:
i. Rowland4 FRYE was born in 1745 in Antigua B.W.I.
6. Henrietta Maria3 FRYE (John2, John1) was born in 1703. She and George
Byam (merchant) married. She died in 1796. George BYAM (merchant) was
christened on 29 Apr 1704 in St. John's, Antigua B.W.I. He died in 1733.
He left a will on 29 Sep 1733 in Antigua B.W.I.4 Children of Henrietta
Maria3 Frye and George Byam (merchant) were as follows:
i. Lydia4 BYAM.
ii. John BYAM.
9. iii. Mary BYAM LYONS-MATHEW was christened on 27 Jul 1730 in
St. John's, Antigua B.W.I. She and Col. Joseph Lyons married on 21 Jun 1748
in St. John's, Antigua B.W.I. She and Daniel Mathew Esq. married on 8 May
1750 in St. Philip's, Antigua B.W.I.
iv. Elizabeth BYAM was christened in 1731 in St. John's,
Antigua B.W.I.
v. Henrietta Maria BYAM was christened on 10 Apr 1733 in St.
John's, Antigua B.W.I.
vi. George BYAM was christened on 31 May 1734 in St. John's,
Antigua B.W.I.
7. Francis3 FRYE (Samuel2, John1) and Dorothy Doig married. Children of
Francis3 Frye and Dorothy Doig were as follows:
10. i. Christiana4 FRYE and Thomas Freeman married circa 1785?
11. ii. Dorothy FRYE and Thomas Warner married on 12 Feb 1790 in
St. Mary's, Bridgetown, St. Michael, Barbados B.W.I.
Wyke Generation One
1. Edward1 WYKE (Lieut. Gov. of Montserrat).
Children of Edward1 Wyke (Lieut. Gov. of Montserrat) include:
2. i. Sarah2 WYKE IRISH-MARTIN was born in of Montserrat
B.W.I. She and Col. Samuel Martin married. She and William Irish married.
Generation Two
2. Sarah2 WYKE IRISH-MARTIN (Edward1) was of Montserrat B.W.I. She and
Col. Samuel Martin married. She and William Irish married. She died in
1748.
She was the daughter of Edward Wyke, Lieutenant Governor of Montserrat.
Col. Samuel MARTIN was christened in 1694 in St. John's, Antigua B.W.I.
He and Mrs. Martin Frances Yeamans married. He died in Nov 1776. He
inherited Green Castle plantation, Antigua from his father.
Children of Sarah2 Wyke IRISH-MARTIN and Col. Samuel Martin were:
3. i. Sir Henry3 MARTIN Bart. was born on 29 Aug 1733 in
Shroton House, Dorset, England. He and Lady Martin Eliza Anne Parker
married in Mar 1761.
William IRISH was born in of Montserrat B.W.I. There were no children
of Sarah2 Wyke IRISH-MARTIN and William Irish.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of David Daniell
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:05 AM To: cari...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: MONTSERRAT families WYKE IRISH FRYE COOK HODGES
... I've cobbled up from published sources not totally reliable trees for
the following families. If these trees are of interest to anyone else I
can put them on a personal website. Then it would be great if people told
me where I'm wrong and where bits might be added. I only go up to the end
of the 18th century thereafter being plain sailing.Blake Byam Cruikshank
Freeman Frye Gibbes Hutchinson Irish Martin Stapleton Warner Webb Wyke
Cheers David
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David Daniell
found it very confusing.
I would be very grateful for that info in a Gedcom file and then I
might better understand the many links.
How on earth did it happen that you made the mistake of stating that
Sarah Wyke had no children by William Irish!!?
Here's one of my own dodgy trees, this one for Byam and it includes a
Thomas Tudor Tucker RN as I see you have an interest in Tudors.
with kind regards,
David
==========================================
Rev Lawrence Byam
| Rev Edward Byam
| | William Byam (9 Mar 1623 - ) & Dorothy Knollys
| | | Lieut-Colonel Willoughby Byam ( - 1690) & Rebecca Winthrop
| | | | Colonel William Byam & Mary Yeamans
| | | | | Edward Byam (1712 - 1768) & Lydia Byam ( - 5 Dec 1767)
| | | | | | William Byam ( - 1779) & Martha Rogers
| | | | | | | Edward Byam (1767 - 1795) & Christiana Matilda Ryan
(1769 - 20 Jan 1847)
| | | | | | | | Sir William Byam & Martha Rogers
| | | | | | | | | Edward Gamage Byam (30 Jun 1823 - )
| | | | | | | | | William Byam (10 Feb 1826 - )
| | | | | | | | | Lydia Byam & Francis Shand
| | | | | | | | | Martha Anne Byam
| | | | | | | | | Elizabeth Christiana Byam
| | | | | | | | Lt-General Edward Byam (1794 - bef 1878) & Elizabeth
Augusta Temple (1802 - 15 Apr 1878)
| | | | | | | | | Willoughby Temple Byam (1832 - )
| | | | | | | | | Henry Edward Byam (1835 - )
| | | | | | | | | Arthur Merick Byam
| | | | | | | | | Edward Willoughby Grenville Byam
| | | | | | | | | Matilda Augusta Anne Byam
| | | | | | | | | Agnes welthian Byam
| | | | | | | | | Maria Christiana Elizabeth Byam
| | | | | | | | | Augusta Temple Byam
| | | | | | | | | Ellen Gladys Byam
| | | | | | | Rev Samuel Byam D D (2 Sep 1769 - 24 Apr 1816) & Jane
Akers Welsh ( - 26 Nov 1847)
| | | | | | | | William George Munton Byam
| | | | | | | | Capt Adolphus Elizabeth Byam
| | | | | | | | Henry James Byam
| | | | | | | | Cornelia Rachel Byam & Baron Augustus De Firkes
| | | | | | | | Augusta Louisa Anne Byam & Frederick Shallet Lomax
| | | | | | | Lydia Byam (abt 1772 - )
| | | | | | Lydia Byam (1752 - )
| | | | | John Sampson Byam ( - 1766)
| | | | | Rev Dr Henry Byam D D ( - 1760)
| | | | | | Anne Byam
| | | | | | Hester Byam & Anthony Manton
| | | | | | Mary Gunthorpe Byam & Colonel William Dundas
| | | | | Mary Byam & Warner Tempest
| | | | | | Henrietta Tempest & Marmaduke Dayrell
| | | | | Anne Byam & Crooke Thomas
| | | | | Rebecca Byam & Thomas Freeman
| | | | | | Arthur Freeman ( - 1780) & Margaret Thomas
| | | | | | | Inigo Freeman \ Thomas* & Charlotte Peirce
| | | | | | | Inigo Freeman \ Thomas* & Frances Middleton
| | | | | | | Lieut-Colonel George Thomas Freeman ( - Nov 1827)
| | | | | | Thomas Freeman ( - 1815) & Anne Wickham
| | | | | | | Thomas Freeman & Christiana Ffry ( - 23 Feb 1808)
| | | | | | | | Thomas Inigo Wickman Freeman
| | | | | | | Arthur Freeman
| | | | | | Byam Freeman & Anne Watkins
| | | | | | | Harriet Freeman & Thomas Oliver
| | | | | | | | Alice Oliver & Captain Haynes R N
| | | | | | | | Emily Oliver & Elton
| | | | | | Robert Freeman
| | | | | | Charles Freeman
| | | | | | Elizabeth Freeman
| | | | | | Rebecca Freeman
| | | | | | Charlotte Freeman & Major-General Sherrington Talbot (1699
- )
| | | | | | | Indiana Talbot (28 Jul 1751 - ) & Lewis Peake Garland
( - 1780)
| | | | | | | | Nathaniel Garland
| | | | | | | | Peake Garland
| | | | | | Mary Freeman
| | | | Samuel Byam
| | | | | Samuel Byam
| | | | | | Phillis Byam* ( - Feb 1829) & Charlton Wollaton
| | | | | | Phillis Byam* ( - Feb 1829) & James Frampton (Oct 1711 -
28 Oct 1784)
| | | | | | | James Frampton (4 Sep 1769 - ) & Harriott Fox-Strangways
( - 6 Aug 1844)
| | | | | | | | James Frampton
| | | | | | | | Henry Frampton
| | | | | | | | William Charlton Frampton
| | | | | | | | Harriet Georgiana Frampton
| | | | | | | | Louisa Charlotte Frampton
| | | | | | | Mary Frampton
| | | Brigadier General Edward Byam* (9 Jan 1662 - 4 Dec 1741) & Sarah
or Mary Winthrop
| | | | Edward Byam
| | | | Mary Byam & Colonel Thomas Williams
| | | Brigadier General Edward Byam* (9 Jan 1662 - 4 Dec 1741) & Lydia
Thomas ( - 2 Dec 1744)
| | | | George Byam (24 Apr 1704 - before 21 Feb 1734/1735) &
Henrietta Maria Frye
| | | | | George Byam ( - Nov 1779) & Louisa Bathurst ( - 1779)
| | | | | | Selina Byam (1760 - 3 Jul 1846) & Rev. William Hony ( - 7
Jan 1795)
| | | | | | | William Edward Hony Ven Archdeacon & Margaret Earle
| | | | | | Elizabeth Byam ( - 1830) & Mark Balt
| | | | | | George Byam ( - 1774)
| | | | | | Louisa Byam
| | | | | | Henrietta Byam
| | | | | Mary Byam* & Joseph Lyons
| | | | | Mary Byam* & Daniel Mathew (abt 1719 - 1777)
| | | | | | Daniel Byam Mathew ( - 25 Apr 1838) & Elizabeth Dering
| | | | | | | Daniel Dering Mathew
| | | | | | | Eliza Mathew & W Roe
| | | | | | | | Fanny Roe & Chaloner Ogle
| | | | | | George Mathew & Euphemia Hamilton
| | | | | | Elizabeth Mathew ( - 1801) & Robert Monckton 4th Viscount
Galway (1758 - 1810)
| | | | | | | William George Monckton
| | | | | | | Henrietta Maria Monckton & Robert Pemberton Milnes
| | | | | | Louisa Mathew & Admiral Lord Gambier
| | | | | | Jane Mathew & Samuel J Gambier
| | | | | | Mary Mathew
| | | | Colonel William Byam (3 Jul 1706 - 26 Sep 1755) & Anne
Gunthorpe ( - 3 Dec 1779)
| | | | | Martin Byam (29 Sep 1742 - Jun 1805) & Elizabeth Blizard
| | | | | Lieutenant Edward Byam R N (15 Sep 1743 - Sep 1782) & Lydia
Byam Gunthorpe
| | | | | | Captain William Henry Byam R N (16 Feb 1776 - 26 Nov 1838)
& Alicia Wyke
| | | | | | Louisa Byam ( - 1835)
| | | | | Capt William Byam (17 Nov 1753 - 27 Apr 1830) & Mary Burgh
| | | | | | Martin William Byam (1783 - 22 Apr 1836) & Elizabeth Bull
| | | | | | Rev Richard Burgh Byam (26 Jan 1785 - )
| | | | | | Edward Samuel Byam (5 Aug 1788 - ) & Eleanor Prior
| | | | | | | Edward de Montmorency Byam (6 Aug 1819 - 6 Oct 1819)
| | | | | | Martha Byam
| | | | | | Anna Maria Byam
| | | | | | Alicia Juliana Byam & William Leeves
| | | | | Anne Byam & Anthony Wyke
| | | | | | Capt George Wyke
| | | | | | Anne Byam Wyke & Daniel Hill ( - 16 Jun 1811)
| | | | | | | Martin Byam Hill
| | | | | | | Henry Munton Hill
| | | | | | | George Hill
| | | | | | | Thomas Kerby Hill
| | | | | | | Major-General Sir William Hill ( - 24 Aug 1886) &
Sibylla Philpotts
| | | | | | | Anne Wyke Hill (21 Jan 1790 - ) & Rear-Admiral Thomas
Tudor Tucker R N
| | | | | | | Alicia Hill & John Osborne
| | | | | | Louisa Wyke ( - May 1801) & Captain Henry Mitford R N (12
Sep 1769 - 24 Dec 1803)
| | | | | | | William Reveley Mitford
| | | | | | | Frances Mitford & Bertram Osbaldeston-Mitford (17 Dec
1777 - 27 Feb 1842)
| | | | | | | Louisa Mitford ( - 1826)
| | | | | | Alicia Wyke & Captain William Henry Byam R N (16 Feb 1776
- 26 Nov 1838)
| | | | | Alice Byam & Samuel Eliot
| | | | | | Anne Eliot & Lieutenant General Henry Cosby
| | | | | | Elizabeth Eliot ( - 3 Jul 1848) & Sir Thomas Stapleton 6th
Baronet 12th Lord le Despenser (10 Nov 1766 - 3 Oct 1831)
| | | | | | | Thomas Stapleton (24 Apr 1792 - 1 Jun 1829) & Maria
Wynne Bankes ( - 15 Oct 1823)
| | | | | | | | Mary Frances Elizabeth Stapleton Baroness le Despenser
ihor (24 Mar 1822 - 20 Nov 1891) & Evelyn Boscawen 6th Viscount
Boscawen (18 Mar 1819 - 6 Nov 1889)
| | | | | | | Lieutenant William Stapleton (2 Dec 1797 - 26 Sep 1826)
| | | | | | | Rev Miles John Stapleton (21 Jan 1801 - 11 Jun 1830) &
Anne Byam Kerby ( - 14 Nov 1842)
| | | | | | | | Adelaide Stapleton
| | | | | | | | Anne Byam Stapleton
| | | | | | | | Jane Elizabeth Stapleton
| | | | | | | Sir Francis Stapleton 7th Baronet (6 Aug 1807 - 11 Feb
1874) & Margaret Airey ( - 7 Feb 1880)
| | | | | | | Maria Frances Catherine Stapleton (22 Sep 1794 - 25 Feb
1861) & Robert Jocelyn 3rd Earl of Roden (27 Oct 1788 - 20 Mar 1870)
| | | | | | | Emma Stapleton (27 Feb 1796 - 29 Dec 1879) & Charles
Brodrick 6th Viscount Midleton (14 Oct 1791 - 2 Dec 1863)
| | | | | | | Emily Stapleton & Lieut.-General Hon Sir Hercules Robert
Pakenham ( - 8 Mar 1850)
| | | | | | | Anna Frances Esther Stapleton (15 Apr 1805 - 20 Aug
1861) & Henry Maxwell 7th Lord Farnham (9 Aug 1799 - 20 Aug 1868)
| | | | | | | Elizabeth Mary Stapleton ( - 30 Dec 1823)
| | | | | | | Frances Stapleton ( - 1835)
| | | | | | Mary Eliot & Lieut-Colonel Robert Camden Cope
| | | | | | | Arthur Cope (1814 - 1844)
| | | | | | Alicia Eliot ( - 24 Apr 1812) & William Hay \ Carr \ Hay
17th Earl of Erroll (12 Mar 1772 - 26 Jan 1819)
| | | | | | | William George Hay 18th Earl of Erroll (21 Feb 1801 - 19
Apr 1846) & Elizabeth Fitzclarence (17 Jan 1801 - 16 Jan 1856)
| | | | Rev Francis Byam (8 Aug 1709 - 1757) & Jane Warner
| | | | | Brigadier-General Edward Byam (21 Dec 1740 - 8 Feb 1817) &
Rebecca Blizard
| | | | | | Jane Byam ( - 2 Dec 1837) & Thomas Norbury Kerby
| | | | | | | Anne Byam Kerby ( - 14 Nov 1842) & Rev Miles John
Stapleton (21 Jan 1801 - 11 Jun 1830)
| | | | | | | | Adelaide Stapleton
| | | | | | | | Anne Byam Stapleton
| | | | | | | | Jane Elizabeth Stapleton
| | | | | Sir Ashton Warner Byam ( - 1 Jun 1744)
| | | | | Richard Scott Byam (24 Dec 1753 - 1832)
| | | | | Grace Johnson Byam & Thomas Ottley
| | | | Alice Byam & Robert Freeman
| | | | Lydia Byam ( - 5 Dec 1767) & Edward Byam (1712 - 1768)
| | | | | William Byam ( - 1779) & Martha Rogers
| | | | | | Edward Byam (1767 - 1795) & Christiana Matilda Ryan (1769
- 20 Jan 1847)
| | | | | | | Sir William Byam & Martha Rogers
| | | | | | | | Edward Gamage Byam (30 Jun 1823 - )
| | | | | | | | William Byam (10 Feb 1826 - )
| | | | | | | | Lydia Byam & Francis Shand
| | | | | | | | Martha Anne Byam
| | | | | | | | Elizabeth Christiana Byam
| | | | | | | Lt-General Edward Byam (1794 - bef 1878) & Elizabeth
Augusta Temple (1802 - 15 Apr 1878)
| | | | | | | | Willoughby Temple Byam (1832 - )
| | | | | | | | Henry Edward Byam (1835 - )
| | | | | | | | Arthur Merick Byam
| | | | | | | | Edward Willoughby Grenville Byam
| | | | | | | | Matilda Augusta Anne Byam
| | | | | | | | Agnes Welthian Byam
| | | | | | | | Maria Christiana Elizabeth Byam
| | | | | | | | Augusta Temple Byam
| | | | | | | | Ellen Gladys Byam
| | | | | | Rev Samuel Byam D D (2 Sep 1769 - 24 Apr 1816) & Jane
Akers Welsh ( - 26 Nov 1847)
| | | | | | | William George Munton Byam
| | | | | | | Capt Adolphus Elizabeth Byam
| | | | | | | Henry James Byam
| | | | | | | Cornelia Rachel Byam & Baron Augustus De Firkes
| | | | | | | Augusta Louisa Anne Byam & Frederick Shallet Lomax
| | | | | | Lydia Byam (abt 1772 - )
| | | | | Lydia Byam (1752 - )
cecilia
>a majority of them were his very near relations by blood or alliance,
>Mr. Wyke being Mr. Fry's own nephew, Mr. Irish married his neice, and
>is also his relation in blood, Mr. Cook and Mr. Hodges are his cozin
>Germans ; which if I shou'd have openly mention'd wou'd have been
>accusing them of partiallity; . . . "
>Irish!
Not necessarily.
It would still fit the above if Cook, Hodges and Irish were on
different sides of the Fry family and not related to each other.
Similarly (and I forgot this before <sorry>) they need not have been
related to the Wykes if Fry and his sister(s) were half-siblings.
David Daniell
David
David Daniell
I was concerned to see that you believe William Irish and Sarah Wyke
had no children particularly as I understand you are very
knowledgeable on these matters for that time and place. Here is an
excerpt in which the author agrees with us and he seems to be working
from original documentation.
[from Sugar And Slavery: An Economic History of the British West
Indies, 1623-1775 by Richard B Sheridan]
"While there are no grounds for asserting that for every success there
was a failure, not a few of the latter are recorded in the archives of
Montserrat and England. That not all failures can be attributed to
absenteeism is revealed by a letter concerning William Irish, whose
father’s plantation ranked tenth in the 1729 census. His stepfather,
Colonel Samuel Martin of Antigua, could not understand how he
contrived to be always in much debt, ‘for I have been told, that when
he had not company, he lived like a Beggar to Windward; but he kept
house for his cousins at Wyke’s, which was the Sluice of all ye
produce of both his Estates’.
Martin L B vol.2, f.282;Lrc to Samuel Martin, Jr 22 Sept. 1767"
This William Irish named his son Samuel Martin Irish (for some reason)
and his daughter Sarah (from whom I descend). I guess by 1767 this
William was a widower and the children will have been at school in
England. I have no record of the name of their mother. That is one
of my principal objectives in this exercise. There may have been
good reason to suppress it in Burke's LG. The estates are said to
have been The Hermitage and The Riverhead Montserrrat.
I'm very keen to know why you believe Col Martin, (so Sheridan) Burke
and my family are mistaken. You could be correct.
With kind regards,
David
PS
Do you know of a Leonard Martin born to Colonel Samuel Martin and
Frances Yeamans about 1715? (admitted to Westminster 1727 aged 12,
later assistant-Solicitor to The Treasury during Sir Robert Walpole's
government, specifically in 1744)
On Nov 4, 2007, at 2:53 AM, Ernest M. Wiltshire wrote:
> Some of the Antigua families you mention (esp. Byam, Martin, Warner)
> are
> quite central to my research, as they tie in to my Barbados families
snip
cecilia
>[...] I guess by 1767 this
>England. I have no record of the name of their mother. That is one
>of my principal objectives in this exercise. There may have been
Burke took what the family gave him. The family may not have known.
Anecdotal:
In my (didn't leave the British Isles) ancestry is an 18C marriage
that Burke LG gives as between Matthew Peters and a daughter of George
Young of Dublin.
I suspect that by 100 years later her name had been forgotten but
there some sort of a document still existed that dealt with an
arrangement between e.g. George Young and Matthew Peters and referred
to the marriage of the daughter without naming her, or a painting
captioned eg "Miss Young, daughter of George Young Esquire").
I have now found (from her son's will) that at the time of the
marriage she was a widow with child(ren), but that would not mean her
given name should be suppressed. (Her grandchildren were named
ENGLISH, and related to Epaphroditus YOUNG, all in Cootehill, Cavan,
Ireland. I still don't know her given name, or the name of her first
husband.)
David Daniell
reliability than anyone else in his field.
What would you suggest to be the best way to find an i.d. for our
missing ancestress?
This is her son evidently born about 1755
"Alumni Oxonienses: the Members of the University of Oxford,
1715-1886: Their ... - Page 731
by University of Oxford - 1891
Irish, Samuel Martin, s. William, of Isle of Montserat. arm.
UNIVERSITY COLL., matric.
14 Dec., 1772. aged 17 ; created MA 28 June, 1776, bar.-it-law."
If you know about Cootehill do you know about a BWI family named White?
cheers
David
cecilia
>What would you suggest to be the best way to find an i.d. for our
>missing ancestress?
>[...]
>If you know about Cootehill do you know about a BWI family named White?
I know nothing about Cootehill. Sorry not to be able to help.
I treat the missing members of ancestral lines like those for whom
disambigation is not possible - I note them in the back of my mind,
and move my focus elsewhere. I have found that if one lives long
enough and remembers the questions, answers often come with very
little effort on one's own part,.
Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC
-----Original Message-----
From: caribbea...@rootsweb.com
[mailto:caribbea...@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cecilia
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:58 PM
To: cari...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: MONTSERRAT families WYKE IRISH
David Daniell wrote:
David Daniell
David
Rita Henry
I was a nurse , and I had about 6 different patients by the name
of " WHYTE " on my ward in one year
They were of Irish Families, also "WHYET " tow of the nurses I worked
with were from Ireland named
also " WYET " I don't know if that will help, they were from Southern
Ireland,
Good Luck Rita
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Daniell" <ddan...@woosh.co.nz>
To: <cari...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: MONTSERRAT families WYKE IRISH
David Daniell
David
Emanuel, Yvonne E CIV USA AMC
prominent in Panama. They were VERY active in the politics on the
country.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:11 PM
To: cari...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: MONTSERRAT families WYKE IRISH
David,
I was a nurse , and I had about 6 different patients by the
name of " WHYTE " on my ward in one year
They were of Irish Families, also "WHYET " tow of the nurses I
worked with were from Ireland named
also " WYET " I don't know if that will help, they were from Southern
Ireland,
Good Luck Rita
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Daniell" <ddan...@woosh.co.nz>
To: <cari...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: MONTSERRAT families WYKE IRISH
> Yes of course, does that lead somewhere?
> David
>
>
Ernest M. Wiltshire
Several years ago, my friend Prof. Richard Lobdell (Economic historian &
Vice Provost of the University of Manitoba) transcribed the lists of
compensation payments made to slave owners in all British colonies at the
time of abolition. I worked with him to organise the Barbados entries and
identify the persons named in the Barbados lists, establishing their family
relationships. Each claimant is named individually, and it is not always
obvious that the claimants are in fact closely related, so that payments
seemingly made to individuals are in fact going to several members of the
same family. [That info is not included on the website below]
Geraldine Lane, genealogist & author of "Tracing Ancestors in Barbados" has
now taken our transcripts, checked them against the original lists,
corrected any transcription errors etc., and has posted them on a website
(see below). This is only for Barbados. It is possible that at a later date
we might tackle at least some of the lists for other colonies,but that would
require a mammoth effort so it remains to be seen if it will be possible.
Any volunteers?
In the meantime you can find the Barbados lists, covering 5,349 individual
claims by slave owners, with an excellent introduction by Guy Grannum of the
PRO (now the British National Archives) at:
http://compensations.plantations.bb/
Ernest M. Wiltshire, M.A. (Queen's)
Ottawa Ontario
Canada
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Ernest M. Wiltshire
Apologies for one error in my last post: the lists are for both Barbados AND
Antigua.
http://compensations.plantations.bb/
Ernest M. Wiltshire
David Daniell
I'd be very pleased to try to help with transcriptions, specially if
they include Montserrat.
cheers
David