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Harry Alexander, Herbert Palmer Cox and Roger Swire

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IEE...@cs.com

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Sep 24, 2003, 2:23:24 PM9/24/03
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Dear Fellow Listers,

Having just subscribed to this outstanding list after reading through the
List Archives, I am posting my interests.
I am hoping that someone on the list has Charles Shephard's book "An
Historical Account of the island of St. Vincent" and would not mind checking for
the following individuals.
Colonel Harry Alexander, British Army officer who was born in Antigua
about 1727, married Lydia Martin on Antigua or in Jamaica around 1747 and died in
St. Vincent sometime after 1772. I believe he owned the Estate of Alexander,
exact location on the Island of St. Vincent unknown.
His daughter Jane Alexander married Herbert Palmer Cox, who moved to St.
Vincent from England for a military assignment prior to their 1774 marriage in
Kingstown.
Their daughter Frances Lydia Palmer Cox (surname is Cox by the way),
married Roger Swire of Yorkshire, England who came to Antigua and/or St. Vincent
after inheriting property there. They married either in Antigua, Grenada or St.
Vincent before 1820, and left St. Vincent between 1827 and 1828, to settle in
Surrey County, Jamaica, where Roger drowned in Port Antonio in 1841. Roger
held a number of prominent posts and was associated with the estates of Stanton
Harcourt, Unity Valley, Belle Vue and Fort Stewart in Surrey County, Jamaica.
Since I am new to Caribbean research, I am hoping the more experienced
individuals on the list can point me to some helpful resources.

Sincerely,
S. Burnette

Linda Scheimann

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Sep 24, 2003, 9:29:28 PM9/24/03
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Dear S.,

I don't have the book you mention, but St. Vincents is St. Vincent and the
Grenadines, so perhaps the Governor there might assist.


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Cordially,
Linda Scheimann
http://www.rootsweb.com/wiwashin/


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Tim Anderson

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Sep 25, 2003, 2:57:36 PM9/25/03
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Perhaps Lydia Martin is a descendent of Major Samuel Martin, one of the first
English settlers of Antigua. If so, she will appear in V. L. Oliver's "History
of Antigua". I will see what I can find out.
Tim

Tim Anderson

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Sep 28, 2003, 1:58:25 AM9/28/03
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The followoing information was taken from Vere Langford Oliver's "The History of
the Island of Antigua....", published by Mithcell and Hughes, London, 1894.

Descendants of Josiah Martin


Generation No. 1

1. JOSIAH1 MARTIN

More About JOSIAH MARTIN:
Residence: County Dublin

Child of JOSIAH MARTIN is:
2. i. GEORGE2 MARTIN, d. Bef. 1667.


Generation No. 2

2. GEORGE2 MARTIN (JOSIAH1) died Bef. 1667.

Notes for GEORGE MARTIN:
Settled in Surinam and died there. He had 8 sons.

Child of GEORGE MARTIN is:
3. i. SAMUEL3 MARTIN, d. December 25, 1701, Greencastle Estate,
Antigua (killed by slaves).


Generation No. 3

3. SAMUEL3 MARTIN (GEORGE2, JOSIAH1) died December 25, 1701 in Greencastle
Estate, Antigua (killed by slaves). He married LYDIA THOMAS January 28, 1690/91
in St. John's Antigua, daughter of WILLIAM THOMAS and LYDIA. She died Abt. 1747
in England.

Notes for SAMUEL MARTIN:
Slaves and masters in Antigua maintained a peace that was based on the slaves'
days off. These would be Sundays when the slave market operated in St. John's
and the days around Christmas, an annual holiday for the slaves. Major Samuel
Martin in an effort to get a sugar crop out was out in the fields on Christmas
day of 1701 and required the same of his slaves. This breach of etiquette cost
Major Martin his life at the hands of his slaves.

More About SAMUEL MARTIN:
Burial: December 27, 1701, St. John's, Antigua
Elected: 1689, Speaker
Military service: Major in the Army

Notes for LYDIA THOMAS:
Lydia remarried to Col. Edward Byam in 1708 after Samuel Martin's murder in
1701.

Children of SAMUEL MARTIN and LYDIA THOMAS are:
4. i. JOSIAH4 MARTIN, b. Abt. 1699; d. November 1778, Rockaway, NY.
ii. SAMUEL MARTIN, b. Abt. 1694.
iii. WILLIAM THOMAS MARTIN, b. Bef. 1701.
iv. ONLY DAUGHTER MARTIN, b. Bef. 1701.


Generation No. 4

4. JOSIAH4 MARTIN (SAMUEL3, GEORGE2, JOSIAH1) was born Abt. 1699, and died
November 1778 in Rockaway, NY. He married (1) WIDOW CHESTER. He married (2)
MARY YEAMANS May 08, 1735 in St Paul's Antigua, daughter of WILLIAM YEAMANS.

More About JOSIAH MARTIN:
Appointed: December 08, 1770, Governor of North Carolina
Elected: 1750, President of HM Council Antigua
Residence: 1750, Long Island, NY

Child of JOSIAH MARTIN and WIDOW CHESTER is:
i. LYDIA5 MARTIN, b. 1727, Antigua; m. HARRY ALEXANDER, March 12,
1746/47, St. John's Antigua.

Notes for HARRY ALEXANDER:
Close Roll, 33 Geo. II., Part 11, No. 20
Indenture made the 26 Dec. 1758 between Charles Alexander, late of Antigua, but
now of London, Esq., and Bisse his wife, of the one part, and Harry Alexander of
Antigua, Planter, of the other part, witnesseth that in consideration of £130
... Charles Alexander and Bisse his wife grants to Harry Alexander all those 3
negro slaves, Bessy and her two children Johnny and James ... to the only proper
use of Harry Alexander and his heirs for ever ... and Charles Alexander and
Bisse his wife constitute Robert Gray of Antigua, Gentleman and Thomas Warner
and Edward Warner of Antigua, Esquires, their attorneys.


Children of JOSIAH MARTIN and MARY YEAMANS are:
ii. SAMUEL5 MARTIN.
iii. FIRST DAUGHTER MARTIN.
iv. CHARLES YEAMANS MARTIN.
v. WILLIAM MARTIN.
vi. ALICE MARTIN.
vii. JOSIAH MARTIN.
viii. RACHEL MARTIN.

More detail is available.
Tim

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Gill Miller

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Apr 30, 2015, 12:19:29 PM4/30/15
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I'm late finding your post but believe the following to be true:

Lydia Cox (daughter of Herbert Palmer Cox and Jean Alexander) married Hugh Mill Bunbury and died in 1800.

Francis James Cox (son of Herbert Palmer Cox and Jean Alexander) did not marry but had 4 children with Mary "a free woman of colour".

I'm wondering if someone has mixed up Lydia and Francis. Other children of Herbert Palmer Cox and Jean Alexander were Margaret (twin of Lydia, married Alexander Melville), Ann (married James Grant), Douglas (married Magdalen Sutherland) and Paul Greathead Cox who died young.

Maybe Douglas and Magdalen were the parents of your Francis Lydia Palmer Cox?

Ernest Wiltshire via

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Apr 30, 2015, 2:12:14 PM4/30/15
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According to my records, Frances Lydia Palmer Cox (born 1800) is the
granddaughter of Hebert Palmer Cox & Jean Alexander; I believe her to be
the daughter of their son John George Cox & his wife Jane (surname unknown).

Herbert Palmer Cox's daughter Lydia Prisca Cox (born 1775) did indeed
marry Hugh Mill Bunbury.

Ernest Wiltshire

On 2015-04-30 12:19 PM, Gill Miller via wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 24, 2003 at 7:23:34 PM UTC+1, iee...@cs.com wrote:
>> Dear Fellow Listers, Having just subscribed to this outstanding list after reading through the List Archives, I am posting my interests. I am hoping that someone on the list has Charles Shephard's book "An Historical Account of the island of St. Vincent" and would not mind checking for the following individuals.
>> Colonel Harry Alexander, British Army officer who was born in Antigua about 1727, married Lydia Martin on Antigua or in Jamaica around 1747 and died in St. Vincent sometime after 1772. ...
>> His daughterJane Alexander married Herbert Palmer Cox, who moved to St.Vincent from England for a military assignment prior to their 1774 marriage in Kingstown.
>> *Their daughter Frances Lydia Palmer Cox (surname is Cox by the way, married Roger Swire of Yorkshire,*England who came to Antigua and/or St. Vincent ...

Chris Codrington via

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May 2, 2015, 8:29:20 AM5/2/15
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Hello Gill

Wondered if you have any further information touching on Roger Swire's
drowning in Port Antonio? Do you know the source of the report?
I study that area pretty closely.

Chris Cod
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Dear S. Burnett,

I do have a copy of The Historical Account of the Island of St. Vincent. With reference to the Plan of the Island by John Byres in 1776, it lists the surname Alexander (of course this may not be your Alexander) as being the original purchaser of lot 110 Redemption and Liberty Lodge(362 acres) and lot 111 Montrose (83 acres), lot 118 Montrose (42 acres), lot 147 Montrose (25 acres). There is a Mount Alexander leased to Heirs of Mocquet (31 acres), Audibert (42 acres) and Twerts (36 acres). The Byers map, is, I believe available at the UK National Archives.

Herbert Palmer Cox is listed in 1814 and 1821 in the Southern Regiment as a Captain H.P Cox, Adjutant.There is an asterix next to his name to say he is deceased. In 1806, 1799, he is listed as living. In 1787, he is described as an ensign. Apparently commissions were renewed every 7 years.

Cathy A.

Cheryl C

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May 18, 2023, 12:55:56 AM5/18/23
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Wow, this is so many decades later! I see a Roger Swire who registered slaves on behalf of John Roche Dasent's Union Estate in St. Vincent in 1827. Could this be the same Roger just before he left St. Vincent for Jamaica with his wife?

Cheryl Hazell
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