Fanny - short for??
Maldini
I have come across a possible relative who was commonly known as 'Fanny', is
this short for something? eg. Bob for Robert etc.
liz.davidson
it is recorded as Fanny !! So I think it stood alone as a name in its own
right.
Liz Davidson
Maldini <mal...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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nifty
Singhals
The four women called Fanny/Fannie/Fan that I've known have all
had the official name Frances.
I do remember once on s.g.misc someone saying they had a
Sophronia who was called Fannie, though.
Cheryl
Peter Budgen
>
> I have come across a possible relative who was commonly known as 'Fanny', is
> this short for something? eg. Bob for Robert etc.
As far as I know the usual original name for Fanny is Frances,
assuming the person you are referring to was female.
Peter
Nan
>
> I have come across a possible relative who was commonly known as 'Fanny', is
> this short for something? eg. Bob for Robert etc.
Hi - My guess would be Frances. - N
John Burns
English nicknames in it. It says Fanny was short for Frances except in
"Hants"where Fanny was short for Sarah.
John in Vancouver
mikelongworth
>
> I have come across a possible relative who was commonly known as
> 'Fanny', is this short for something? eg. Bob for Robert etc.
>
FANNY (f): Pet form of Frances. In use as an independent name in the
17th c. but had almost faded from sight by 1725. Then began to come
back in favour, until by 1850 was one of the top twenty names in
Britain, more popular temporarily than Frances itself. Then went into
decline, thought still to be found in great numbers in all
English-speaking countries in 1900.
Since about 1910 virtually extinct, the victim of slang meanings which
have turned a name that THACKERY was able to describe in 1850 as "a very
pretty little name" into one which is almost impossible to use. It was
been suggested that John CLELAND's notorious novel, 'Memories of Fanny
Hill' may ultimately have been responsible for the British slang usage.
The milder use of 'fanny' for the buttocks, also said to derive from the
name, awaits an explanation.
In its heyday Fannie and Fanney frequently occurred as alternative
spellings. In France Fanny is sometimes used as per form of Stephanie.
Source: 'Dictionary of First Names' by Leslie DUNKLING & William
GOSLING
= Mike
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Mike LONGWORTH, Yateley, Hampshire, UK
Marion L
counties, and in all cases that was the name used on official certificates
and documents. None were, for instance, originally Frances. It seems to
have been a very popular name 1850-1900
Marion in Wiltshire,UK
APAIRATEEF
But yes, the other ones i have it is short for Frances and have one who was
baptised just Fanny
Cheers
Sarndra
Christchurch, New Zealand
www.angelfire.com/ok/nafamily
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jeffrey.ellis
Brian Watson
Vanessa (sometimes).
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Brian
Carole McAndrew
Carole
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nifty
Charles Sullivan
<phel...@indigo.ie> wrote:
> Believe me -Fanny is short for Frances -a female name !Anne on Ireland
You can believe Anne. However that doesn't mean that somewhere,
sometime, somebody didn't attach the name Fanny to a woman named Penelope,
Margaret, Zenobia, Belinda, or any other name you can think of.
Charles Ellson
<pan.2001.09.22.2...@triad.rr.com>
cwsu...@triad.rr.com "Charles Sullivan" wrote:
But you'll probably find that for each of those there will be a lot more
called Frances. Perhaps you can enlarge on the reasons for attaching the
name Fanny to the examples above; apart from Penelope (Penelope > Penny >
Fanny [as mispronounced by a younger sibling] ) the reasons would seem to
be more related to random choice than to any usual associations of the
names to Fanny.
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nifty
Zenobias around here !Anne -I know several ladies called Fanny es but they
are all officially Frances
Singhals
>
> On Sunday, in article
> <pan.2001.09.22.2...@triad.rr.com>
> cwsu...@triad.rr.com "Charles Sullivan" wrote:
>
> > In article <e_9r7.1410$w5....@news.indigo.ie>, "nifty"
> > <phel...@indigo.ie> wrote:
> >
> > > Believe me -Fanny is short for Frances -a female name !Anne on Ireland
> >
> > You can believe Anne. However that doesn't mean that somewhere,
> > sometime, somebody didn't attach the name Fanny to a woman named Penelope,
> > Margaret, Zenobia, Belinda, or any other name you can think of.
> >
> But you'll probably find that for each of those there will be a lot more
> called Frances. Perhaps you can enlarge on the reasons for attaching the
> name Fanny to the examples above; apart from Penelope (Penelope > Penny >
> Fanny [as mispronounced by a younger sibling] ) the reasons would seem to
> be more related to random choice than to any usual associations of the
> names to Fanny.
> --
Well, it isn't exactly PC, but one of the reasons a gal could be
called Fanny would have to do with size of rear-end as seen from
the rear. (g)
A friend had a friend who was called Fanny because as a baby
Fanny had needed to *be* fanned constantly, 'far's I know no one
except her mamma remembered Fanny's real name!
And a matron of the early 19th century was referred to by her
detractors as Fanny because of the way she used her fan which was
at that time a ladies' accessory.
There must be dozens of other reasons that would seem odd to us.
Cheryl
Charles Sullivan
<Cha...@ellson.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sunday, in article
> <pan.2001.09.22.2...@triad.rr.com>
> cwsu...@triad.rr.com "Charles Sullivan" wrote:
>
>> In article <e_9r7.1410$w5....@news.indigo.ie>, "nifty"
>> <phel...@indigo.ie> wrote:
>>
>> > Believe me -Fanny is short for Frances -a female name !Anne on
>> > Ireland
>>
>> You can believe Anne. However that doesn't mean that somewhere,
>> sometime, somebody didn't attach the name Fanny to a woman named
>> Penelope, Margaret, Zenobia, Belinda, or any other name you can think
>> of.
>>
> But you'll probably find that for each of those there will be a lot more
> called Frances. Perhaps you can enlarge on the reasons for attaching the
> name Fanny to the examples above; apart from Penelope (Penelope > Penny
> > Fanny [as mispronounced by a younger sibling] ) the reasons would seem
> to be more related to random choice than to any usual associations of
> the names to Fanny.
What I implied by agreeing with Anne is that Fanny is most likely a
familiar name for Frances. But what I further implied is that we may
never know why a child is given a nickname or familiar name which is never
commonly associated with that child's birthname.
The _route_ by which you've described Penelope => Fanny, i.e.,
mispronunciation by a younger sibling, is quite common. Another is that a
child is named after a relative due to family pressure, but the parents
really don't like the name and actually call the child by a name they
favor. Or if the child has the same name as another member of the
immediate household, they have to call the child by at least a variant to
avoid confusion in everyday speech.
In some cultures it is common for all the children to have the same first
name and be familiarly known by their middle name. (The first name is
usually that of a saint.) And something the middle name gets omitted from
early records.
To be clear, I don't know of any women named Penelope, Margaret, Zenobia,
or Belinda who are called Fanny, nor do I even personally know or have in
my family tree anyone called Fanny. However I have examples of familiar
names from all the above _routes_ in my extended family tree.
Regards,
Charles Sullivan
Charles Ellson
sing...@erols.com "Singhals" wrote:
<snip>
> Well, it isn't exactly PC, but one of the reasons a gal could be
> called Fanny would have to do with size of rear-end as seen from
> the rear. (g)
>
Not on this side of the pond. You've picked another classic example of
"two nations separated by a common language".
<snip>
Henry F. Brownlee
wrote:
>What I implied by agreeing with Anne is that Fanny is most likely a
>familiar name for Frances. But what I further implied is that we may
>never know why a child is given a nickname or familiar name which is never
>commonly associated with that child's birthname.
>
>The _route_ by which you've described Penelope => Fanny, i.e.,
>mispronunciation by a younger sibling, is quite common. Another is that a
>child is named after a relative due to family pressure, but the parents
>really don't like the name and actually call the child by a name they
>favor. Or if the child has the same name as another member of the
>immediate household, they have to call the child by at least a variant to
>avoid confusion in everyday speech.
>
>In some cultures it is common for all the children to have the same first
>name and be familiarly known by their middle name. (The first name is
>usually that of a saint.) And something the middle name gets omitted from
>early records.
FWIW, in my wife's ancestry, there was a Veronica who became known as Vany,
then Fanny. To each his own. <g>
Henry F. Brownlee
South Louisiana
Alison Causton
>
> On Sunday, in article <3BAE37B9...@erols.com>
> sing...@erols.com "Singhals" wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Well, it isn't exactly PC, but one of the reasons a gal could be
> > called Fanny would have to do with size of rear-end as seen from
> > the rear. (g)
> >
> Not on this side of the pond. You've picked another classic example of
> "two nations separated by a common language".
> <snip>
Neither on this side of the pond, truthfully.
Alison
Ontario, Canada
Eve McLaughlin
>> I have come across a possible relative who was commonly known as 'Fanny',
>is
>> this short for something? eg. Bob for Robert etc.
>
>Vanessa (sometimes).
actually named Fanny itslef.
--
Eve McLaughlin
Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians
Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society
Sammy Millar
>
> Neither on this side of the pond, truthfully.
> Alison
> Ontario, Canada
I agree.
As a hot-blooded Irishman, the "yanks" have got it "back to front" (or
is it "front to back" ? )
Regards
SammyM
Ireland
Henry F. Brownlee
<sammy....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>I agree.
>As a hot-blooded Irishman, the "yanks" have got it "back to front" (or
>is it "front to back" ? )
>
>Regards
>SammyM
>Ireland
How about bass-ackwards?
Brian Watson
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>
> >> I have come across a possible relative who was commonly known as
'Fanny',
> >is
> >> this short for something? eg. Bob for Robert etc.
> >
> >Vanessa (sometimes).
> Never heard that
Well I have, which is why I submitted it<g>.
> - Frances is the normal name.
So it seems.
I still don't know why some nitwit felt obliged to e-mail me direct telling
me (in an "I'm right, you are wrong" kind of way) that Frances is THE name
that is contracted to Fanny.
> However, a few girls were
> actually named Fanny itslef.
This, too, seems to be true.
--
Brian
Don Kirkman
<9op90b$e8vdm$1...@ID-107392.news.dfncis.de>:
>> >Vanessa (sometimes).
>> Never heard that
>So it seems.
Fannie Merritt Farmer (1857 - 1915) compiled the Boston Cooking School
Cook Book (1896) and introduced standard measurements into US cooking.
Fanny Brice starred in US vaudeville and early radio.
One persistent memory from my pre-school days was a joke we neighborhood
kids thought was hilarious (and I think it has Chaplin's silent movie
fingerprints on it):
A couple are strolling and the lady takes a pratfall. He: "Did it hurt
ya, Fanny?" She: "No, it hurt my elbow."
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Don
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Dennis Stoker
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Dennis
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H.L. Mencken.
malcolm.brunsdon
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> Frances is sometimes shortened to Fanny!
>
> Carole
And I have one who was actually christened Fanny
Malcolm