Hubaray-Snina Slovakia/Majic-Veljaci, Yugoslavia
carrie
1905 when she was 16. She had a sister Agnes who married a man named Balich
and they lived in California. There was also a brother who lived in Snina,
Czechoslovakia (now Slovakia) in 1965. His name was Josef the address was i
899, Snina, Czechoslovakia. My great grandfather was Jozin Stojan Majic he
as born in 1890 and came to NYC in 1906. He had a sister Ann who married
someone named Pavolic and was living in Buenos Aires Argentina in 1960.
Stojan and Mary got married in NYC and moved to California around 1907/8.
They moved to Armstrong County PA around 1914/5. Stojan was from Veljaci,
Yugoslavia. I think he had a brother Frank who was a priest in Yugoslavia.
Any other information would be appreciated.
Frank Kurchina
Don't know your surnames.
The surname could be spelled Hubaray or Hubarai.
The Slovakia telephone directory lists no such name in the
Slovakia Republic.
Snina (Sk) Szinna (H) is located 237 miles ENE of Bratislava
in eastern Slovakia.
Veljaci is located 63 miles SW of Sarajevo in Bosnia & Herzegovina.
The six republics that formed the former Yugoslavia were : Bosnia
and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Slovenia, and Serbia.
I don't see the surname Majic listed in the Bosne i Hercegovine
telephone
directory.
The Spanish telephone directory for Buenos Aires (city) lists no surname
Pavolic.
Marko Gogala
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Your ancestor (Stojan) was probably a bosnian serb.You say his brother was a
preast,was he an orthodox or catholic preast?If he was orthodox,then he was
a Serb for shore,if catholic,then there is a 99%chance he was a Croat. This
"Jozin" probably meanes that his father name was Jozo,an abberration of
Josip (Joseph) and that there were many Majiches in his village.The reason
there are no Majic in the phone dyrectory is the reacent unfortunate war
that desplaced many people and made a mess out of administrative
information,including the phone list.
Robert Jerin
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Actually Stojan was from Hercegovina which in 1906 was a part of the
Austro-Hungarian Empire. Yugoslavia was not offically declared until 1929.
As Mr. Kuchura mentioned in his post the surname MAJIC is not found in the
current online phone books, which is a good indication of the number with
that surname but does not mean that name does not exist today in
Bosnia-Hercegovina. However looking at some of the manifests MAJIC
immigrated from Hercegovina as well as the adjacent Dalmatia area. And
searching the online Croatia phone book there are 29 listings in Dubrovnik
county and over 200 in Split county! The town of Veljaci is very close to
the Hercegovina - Croatia border between Dubrovnik and Split in a region
that is populated mainly by ethnic Croatians, 97% Croatians in Veljaci.
Most likely Frank would be Franjo (sounds like fran yo) or Frane (sounds
like fran eh)
And while the Argentina phone books have no listings for PAVOLIC/PAVOLICH
there are four listings for the more common PAVELIC/PAVELICH.
You can find some Veljaci records locally!!! Don't know where you are a
located but the LDS, Mormon, Church has microfilmed many churches throughout
the world inc. Veljaci! You can have a Family History Center near you,
check the Family Search web page for locations, order the films which you
can rent for a period of time and search the records. Of course the records
ended prior to your GGFs birthdate and are only for the Roman Catholic
Church there. LDS files are as follows:
Title Maticna knjiga, 1786-1847
Authors Rimokatolicka crkva. Zupa Veljaci (Main Author)
Note Location
Film
Rodeni 1786-1847 -- Kazalo krstenih 1786-1847 VAULT INTL Film
2121732 Items 1 - 4
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Useful links for Croatian genealogy, inc. Bosnia, Lika, etc Updated 10-12-01
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Need help with understanding the Croatian language? This link explains the
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Appleby in Rijeka, Croatia has a good genealogy page:
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Links to organizations Associated with FEEFHS from 14 Countries, inc.
Croatia:
Croatians Books, Croatian Immigration, Croatian Coats of Arms, Croatian
Genealogy, Croatian Heraldry, Ragusan Press Books, CGHS- By Adam S.
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Croats of Slovakia arrived in the mid sixteenth century
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Moravian Croats arrived in the 16 th century from central Croatia, fleeing
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This link has history of Zumberak and Uskoci in Croatia
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A good site to learn about tourism and all the beautiful and historic places
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Genealogy message boards/forums
Croatia genforum message board:
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Rootsweb genealogy message board:
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Family History message board of Ancestry.com
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Usenet Slavic genealogy newsgroup (must be setup to receive newsgroups)
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Place name locator for the world, inc. Croatia:
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Croatia town and city locator. Due to the lack of being able to view
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1910 Hungarian County Maps, inc. areas of Croatia and Slavonia (site is in
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Click on LINKS and then click on 1910 Hungarian County Maps, Croatian areas
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ShtelSeeker a good place name locator for all Eastern Europe
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SURNAME SEARCH
A general article about the history of surnames
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Ancestry com, here you can look up US Social Security Death records and US
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LDS on line genealogy name search. . Many church records in Croatia have
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to see if your ancestors church has been microfilmed, which can be ordered
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Search for a Family History Centers near you
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Family Tree Software
Here is a link to FREE downloadable family tree software from the LDS
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Searching for family records in Croatia and the US, inc. parish records and
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United States Immigration and Naturalization Service Website contains
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Naturalization Resources general and by US state
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Locating family records in Croatia
http://www.durham.net/facts/crogen/croatia.html
CROATIAN ROMAN CATHOLIC PARISHES IN USA AND CANADA
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Not all Croatians are ethnic Croats, here are links to some of ethnic groups
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Finding Jewish Family Records in Croatia
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History of German Settlements in Southern Hungary (inc. Croatia)
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The Vlachs in Bosnia (and Croatia)
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Istro-Romanians in Croatia
History of the Arbanasi in Croatia
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ON LINE PHONE BOOKS
Croatia on line phone books. NOTE: to use the on line phone books first
select area code (zupanija which means county), then type in the name you
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(this will allow use of English style keyboards), select 100 results and
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Information includes phone number, name, address and city.
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Worldwide Phone Directory index of online phone books, with over 400 links
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Bosnia on line phone directory The Bosnia phone book is available on line.
Just type in the surname next to preizime select Kanton which is the region
and then click on Trazi (search)
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Religions in Croatia
Eastern (Byzantine) Rite Church in Croatia. The Croatian Byzantine Rites
united with Rome in 1611 and the Diocese of Krizevci was founded in 1777.
Many people from Zumberak are of this Rite.
http://www.hbk.hr/katcrkva/eng/opce/krizevci.html
First Croatian Church in US
http://saintnicholas.webprovider.com/index.htm
Catholic Church in Croatia
Professional genealogical research services for Croatia
Zeljko "Fritz" Frigan's Croatia Roots
www.croatianroots.com
Adam Eterovich CROATIAN HERITAGE
http://www.croatians.com/
Genealogical research for about 3000 family names originating from Dubrovnik
city, Konavle, Zupa dubrovacka, Rijeka dubrovacka, Dubrovacko primorje,
Peljesac, Kolocep, Lopud, Sipan and Lastovo
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MISC.
Croatian Fraternal Union of America
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Croatian Catholic Union of United States and Canada
A good search engine, just type in surname followed by genealogy may find
others who have information you are seeking
Good Luck! Let me know how it goes or if you have any other questions.
Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
Email: rje...@adelphia.net
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carrie
name as "Josef Hubray" what does the i 899 mean? Is this like a street
address or post office address?
My great grandpa (Stojan Majic) was a catholic. I think my mom said he
spoke Croation and Mary spoke Slovak.
Does anyone know what language the church records would be in?
There is and LDS church in the area.
Thanks for all the help!
Robert Jerin <rje...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Robert Jerin
> The letter I have from my great grandma's (Mary Hubray) brother listed the
> name as "Josef Hubray" what does the i 899 mean? Is this like a street
> address or post office address?
I have no idea what i 899 means, could it be 1899, the year?
>
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> Does anyone know what language the church records would be in?
> There is and LDS church in the area.
The ones I have seen are in Croatian and Latin. They are not difficult, if
you can make a copy from the LDS files I would help you translate them
Robert Jerin
carrie
Czechoslovakia). I will try to scan it and e-mail to you. Thanks.
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JOSEPH R ARMATA
Could the "i" actually be a "c" with a mark over it? That would stand for
"cislo" with a mark over the "c", meaning house number.
Joe Armata
arm...@pitt.edu
carrie
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