Medieval: WARENNE, BIGOD, VERMANDOIS
Pat Boren
Greetings again, medievalists. Seeing the recent posts about
BIGOD and WARENNE led me to draw out some family trees and see
what's what. Here's what I came up with. There are 4 parts to
this.
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Part 1: Hugh Capet to Bigod
1. Hugh Capet = Adelaide of Poitou
2. Edith of France = Rainier IV, Count of Hainault
3. Beatrix of Hainault = Ebeles I, Count of Roucy
4. Alice of Roucy = Hildouin IV, Count of Montdidier
5. Margaret of Montdidier = Hugh I, Count of Clermont
6. Adeliza of Clermont = Gilbert de Clare
7. Alice de Clare = Aubrey de Vere
8. Juliana de Vere = Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk
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PB: this line looks pretty clean to me. Anyone beg to differ?
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Part 2: Bigod
1. Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk = Juliana de Vere
2. Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk = Ida/Isabel de Warren
3. Hugh Bigod, 3rd = Maud Marshall
7. Roger Bigod, 4th = Isabella, dau of Wm I Lion
10. Hugh Bigod
11. Simon Bigod
8. Sir Hugh Bigod = Joan de Stuteville
12. Sir John Bigod = Isabel
13. Sir Roger Bigod, 5th = Joan
14. Joan Bigod = Sir Wm Chauncey
9. Sir Simon Bigod = Maud de Gelbrigg
15. Sir Roger Bigod = Cecilia
4. Margery = Wm Hastings
5. Margaret = Sir John Jermy
6. Mary Bigod = Ranulf Fitz Robert
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PB: How does Isabel de Warren, wife of #2, fit into the Warenne
family listed below? Apparently her parents are Hamelin/Humelyn
Warren and Isabella de Warenne.
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Part 3: Isabel of Vermandois, whose granddaughter marries into
the Bigod line
1. Henry I, King of France = Anne of Kiev
2. Hugh Magnus = Adelaide of Vermandois
3. Isabel of Vermandois
= 1) Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester
4. Isabel de Beaumont = Gilbert de Clare, 1st Earl of Pembroke
11. Richard de Clare "Strongbow," 2nd Earl of
Pembroke = Eve of Leinster (dau of Dermot
MacMurrough, King of Leinster who d. 1171, and
Mor Ua Tuathail)
12. Isabel de Clare = William Marshall, 1st Earl of
Pembroke
13. Maud Marshall = Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk
(insert above Bigod line)
5. Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester = Amicia de Gael
14. Isabel de Beaumont = Simon de St. Liz, Earl of
Huntingdon and Northampton (son of Simon de St.
Liz, Earl of Huntington and Northampton, and
Matilda of Nortumbria, who later married David I
of Scotland)
= 2) William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (2nd Earl of Warren?)
6. William de Warenne, 2nd/3rd(?) Earl of Surrey
7. Reginald de Warenne
8. Ralph de Warenne
9. Gundred de Warenne = Roger de Newburgh, 2nd Earl of Warwick
15. Waleran de Newburgh, 4th Earl of Warwick =
Alice de Harcourt
10. Ada de Warren = Henry, Earl of Huntingdon
16. Margaret of Huntington = Henry de Bohun
17. Malcolm IV, King of Scotland
18. William I the Lion, King of Scotland
19. Ada
20. David, Earl of Huntingdon
21. Maud
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Part 4: Tree showing that Roger Bigod, 4th Earl, married his
half 2nd cousin, if you will.
Hugh Bigod, Robert de Isabel de William de
1st Earl Beaumont = Vermandois = Warenne
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Roger Bigod, Isabel de Gilbert Ada de Henry of
2nd Earl Beaumont = de Clare Warenne = Huntington
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Hugh Bigod, 3rd = Maud Marshall William I Lion
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Roger Bigod, 4th = Isabella
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Any comments, corrections, additions, etc. are greatly appreciated.
--
Pat(ricia) Boren
pbo...@rand.org
Paul B. McBride
to the article from pbo...@pnut.rand.org (Pat Boren):
< Part 2: Bigod
<
< 1. Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk = Juliana de Vere
< 2. Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk = Ida/Isabel de Warren
...
< PB: How does Isabel de Warren, wife of #2, fit into the Warenne
< family listed below? Apparently her parents are Hamelin/Humelyn
< Warren and Isabella de Warenne.
If your idea of her parents is correct, I would suspect that Ida/Isabel
would be the sister of Adela as in the Warrene info I posted
(inserted below with ">").
> IV. William de WARENNE III Earl of Surrey and Warenne
> REF Baronage1. Lord of Lewes, Reigate, and Coningsburgh;
> Lord of Bellencombre and Mortemer, in Normandy.
> b. BEF 1118
> d. 1148, Holy Land
> m. Ela TALVAS BEF 1143
> d. 4 Dec 1174
> daughter of William TALVAS Count of Ponthieu
> children: *Isabel de
> V. Isabel de WARENNE Countess of Surrey, Warenne, and Boulogne
> d. 13 Jul 1199
> m. William de BLOIS Earl of Surrey and Warenne BEF 6 Nov 1153
> b. c. 1134
> d. Oct 1159
> son of King Stephen
> m. Hamelin PLANTAGENET? Earl of Surrey and Warenne
> Lord of Lewes and Reigate 1164
> b. BEF 1151
> d. Apr 1202
> son of Geoffrey, Count of Anjou
> children: *Adela
Continuing with the article from pbo...@pnut.rand.org (Pat Boren):
< Part 3: Isabel of Vermandois, whose granddaughter marries into
< the Bigod line
<
< 1. Henry I, King of France = Anne of Kiev
The Roots-l Royal92 GEDCOM file shows Hugh's mother as Matilda of Germany,
and Hugh's brother, Philip I, is the son of Anne of Kiev.
< 2. Hugh Magnus = Adelaide of Vermandois
< 3. Isabel of Vermandois
<
< = 1) Robert de Beaumont, 1st Earl of Leicester
...
< = 2) William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey (2nd Earl of Warren?)
I have his wife's name as "Elizabeth" rather than "Isabel", and him as:
> William de WARENNE II Earl of Surrey and Warenne AFT 11 Jun 1118
> b. BEF 1071
> d. 11 May 1138
> son of William de WARENNE I Earl of Surrey and Warenne and Gundred
> children: *William de III, *Ella de
Continuing with the article from pbo...@pnut.rand.org (Pat Boren):
< 6. William de Warenne, 2nd/3rd(?) Earl of Surrey
This would be the father of Isabel who married Hamelin. See info inserted
earlier.
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Gerry Palo
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> Greetings again, medievalists. Seeing the recent posts about
> BIGOD and WARENNE led me to draw out some family trees and see
> what's what. Here's what I came up with. There are 4 parts to
> this.
>
> ==================================================
>
>
>
>
> 1. Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk = Juliana de Vere
> 2. Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk = Ida/Isabel de Warren
>
> --
>