RE: I need help using Clooz to organize my genealogy research notes.
Lisa Lepore
> I'm a new member of this group, and I've just bought a copy of Clooz
> to help reduce my disorganized genealogical notes to some semblance
> of order. I'm running into some snags using the program, and I
> haven't been able to figure out what to do just by reading the
> manual...........
>
> kyounge1956 <karen...@earthlink.net>
I have thought about using Clooz, but I haven't done it yet.
I did find a mailing list at rootsweb.com that might be helpful
to you if no one here can answer your questions.
http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/Clooz.html
Lisa
"Lisa Lepore" <lle...@comcast.net>
Steve Hayes
Thanks for that, I've subscribed.
I have Clooz, but find it rather complex to use, and it seems to
generate several "Alternate Ids" nested several levels deep, so it
would be useful to be in touch with experienced users.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net>
singhals
> I'm a new member of this group, and I've just bought a copy of
> Clooz to help reduce my disorganized genealogical notes to some
> semblance of order. I'm running into some snags using the program,
>
> kyounge1956
I can't help you with the problem, but I can report that you're not
the only one having issues with the program. I intended to get it
when it first came out, but before I could a friend picked up a copy
at a Genie conference and his report dampened my enthusiasm
considerably. Since then, others I know either personally or
electronically have tried it and the bottom-line is mixed.
>From what I can make out, if your mental process fits Clooz' you'll
love it and think it's better'n sliced bread.
If not, not. It also appears that the program works better for
those just beginning their genealogy search.
But, as I say, I've not used it. The above is for your comfort when/
if you decide taking your mother to lunch would have been a better
idea.
Cheryl
singhals <sing...@erols.com>
kyounge1956
> > > I'm a new member of this group, and I've just bought a copy of Clooz
> > > to help reduce my disorganized genealogical notes to some semblance
> > > of order. I'm running into some snags using the program, and I
> > > haven't been able to figure out what to do just by reading the
> > > manual...........
> > >
>
> > I have thought about using Clooz, but I haven't done it yet.
> >
> > I did find a mailing list at rootsweb.com that might be helpful
> > to you if no one here can answer your questions.
> > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/Clooz.html
> >
>
> Thanks for that, I've subscribed.
>
> I have Clooz, but find it rather complex to use, and it seems to
> generate several "Alternate Ids" nested several levels deep, so it
> would be useful to be in touch with experienced users.
>
> Blog:http://methodius.blogspot.com
> E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Since my first post on this thread I've discovered that Clooz is an
"orphan" program that is no longer being supported by the author.
So now I have to decide whether or not to use it anyway. Other
alternatives are Bygones, a freeware program which is also an
orphan, something open source like gramps: either of these latter
two will run on my Mac, which is a definite plus for me. I haven't
investigated yet whether I can use the relevant features of gramps
without moving the whole family tree over to that program, which
wouldn't be a workable solution for me as I'm coordinating with
other family members who use FTM.
I also noticed one of your posts from last summer, but it no longer
has a reply-to- group button. It's the message from August 10
called "Keeping track of paper files". I've read the linked blog
article, and the straight numerical system seems like it would work
well with my unorganized collection of notes because it doesn't
really matter what kind of document each one is. Unfortunately the
RDF program seems to have gone out of print. Do you know if there
is anything similar available today, especially something that would
run on a Mac?
kyounge1956 <karen...@earthlink.net>
Ian Goddard
One alternative might be to try running Wine on the Mac
http://davidbaumgold.com/tutorials/wine-mac/
and then run FTM under Wine.
Alternatively, how do you exchange data with the other family
members using FTM? If it's simply a matter of exchanging Gedcoms
then you can do that with Gramps.
--
Ian
The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. Real mail address is iang
at austonley org uk
Ian Goddard <godd...@hotmail.co.uk>
Steve Hayes
> Since my first post on this thread I've discovered that Clooz is an
> "orphan" program that is no longer being supported by the author.
>
I just joined the list, and the author says:
"I do not have the time or money to continue to upgrade Clooz, but I
still support those who are using it."
I'll repond to the other points later, when I have more time.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net>
kyounge1956
> > Since my first post on this thread I've discovered that Clooz is an
> > "orphan" program that is no longer being supported by the author.
> >
>
> I just joined the list, and the author says:
>
> "I do not have the time or money to continue to upgrade Clooz, but I
> still support those who are using it."
>
> I'll repond to the other points later, when I have more time.
>
> --
> Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
> Blog:http://methodius.blogspot.com
> E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
>
I wrote earlier that Clooz I bought was no longer supported was
based on this message on the program's RootsWeb list:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/Clooz/2010-05/1274561593.
On re-reading the message, I find that I have overstated what Ms.
Kerstens actually wrote.
What I said: the program is no longer being supported
What Ms. Kerstens actually said was that
1) her response to a message in the list was delayed because she was
preparing for a trip and didn't have time to answer it right away,
*not* that she has no time to respond to questions in general
2) the program is no longer being *developed or updated*.
I apologize for my inaccurate earlier remarks about Clooz.
kyounge1956 <karen...@earthlink.net>
kyounge1956
On Apr 18, 10:18=A0am, Ian Goddard <godda...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>> I'm a new member of this group, and I've just bought a copy of Clooz
> >>>> to help reduce my disorganized genealogical notes to some semblance
> >>>> of order. I'm running into some snags using the program, and I
> >>>> haven't been able to figure out what to do just by reading the
> >>>> manual...........
>
> >>>> kyounge1956 <karenyou...@earthlink.net>
> >>> I have thought about using Clooz, but I haven't done it yet.
>
> >>> I did find a mailing list at rootsweb.com that might be helpful
> >>> to you if no one here can answer your questions.
> >>>http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/Clooz.html
> >>>
> >>> "Lisa Lepore" <llep...@comcast.net>
> >>
> >> Thanks for that, I've subscribed.
> >>
> >> I have Clooz, but find it rather complex to use, and it seems to
> >> generate several "Alternate Ids" nested several levels deep, so it
> >> would be useful to be in touch with experienced users.
> >
> >> Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
> >> Blog:http://methodius.blogspot.com
> >> E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
> >> Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net>
> >
> > Since my first post on this thread I've discovered that Clooz is an
> > "orphan" program that is no longer being supported by the author.
> > alternatives are Bygones, a freeware program which is also an
> > orphan, something open source like gramps: either of these latter
> > investigated yet whether I can use the relevant features of gramps
> > without moving the whole family tree over to that program, which
> > wouldn't be a workable solution for me as I'm coordinating with
> > other family members who use FTM.
> >
> > kyounge1956
>
> One alternative might be to try running Wine on the Mac
> and then run FTM under Wine.
>
> Alternatively, how do you exchange data with the other family
> then you can do that with Gramps.
>
> The Hotmail address is my spam-bin. =A0Real mail address is iang
> at austonley org uk
> Ian Goddard <godda...@hotmail.co.uk>
I was in the local Apple store a couple of months ago and there on
the shelf was FTM for the Mac, which had recently been released. My
house used to be a "Microsoft Free Zone" but a few years ago I
finally knuckled under and bought a used PC laptop specifically for
the purpose of running FTM. Maybe now that there is a Mac version I
can have my cake and eat it too.
I hear there is also an Ancestry app for the iPad. I don't have one
of those yet but I'd sure like to. Even my laptop gets tiring to
tote around on a research trip.
kyounge1956 <karen...@earthlink.net>
Steve Hayes
kyounge1956 <karen...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > I have Clooz, but find it rather complex to use, and it seems to
> > generate several "Alternate Ids" nested several levels deep, so it
> > would be useful to be in touch with experienced users.
>
> Since my first post on this thread I've discovered that Clooz is an
> "orphan" program that is no longer being supported by the author.
> So now I have to decide whether or not to use it anyway. Other
> alternatives are Bygones, a freeware program which is also an
> orphan, something open source like gramps: either of these latter
> two will run on my Mac, which is a definite plus for me. I haven't
> investigated yet whether I can use the relevant features of gramps
> without moving the whole family tree over to that program, which
> wouldn't be a workable solution for me as I'm coordinating with
> other family members who use FTM.
I've looked at Bygones, and found it far more complicated than
Clooz, and even Clooz is too complicated.
> I also noticed one of your posts from last summer, but it no longer
> has a reply-to- group button. It's the message from August 10
> called "Keeping track of paper files". I've read the linked blog
> article, and the straight numerical system seems like it would work
> well with my unorganized collection of notes because it doesn't
> really matter what kind of document each one is. Unfortunately the
> RDF program seems to have gone out of print. Do you know if there
> is anything similar available today, especially something that would
> run on a Mac?
No -- one of the reasons I looked at Clooz is that I thought it
might be a possible replacement. But the problem is that Clooz is
too complex and time-consuming.
And, no matter what anyone says, I don't think that any lineage
linked program, like FTM, PAF, Legacy, TMG and all the brest can do
what these programs are intended to do.
What RDF does is allow you to create a lost of all sources, and then
a list of all people mentioned in those sources, whether those
people are related to you or not (because you might find out later
that they are related).
It also, like the older versions of PAF, has a "focus" feature,
which means that you can progressively narrow your searches --
checking a name, for example, then searching the sub-set for a
place, and narrowing it further to a date range. It may be possible
to do this with other programs, but it is quite a complex thing and
I've not managed to get it right.
The thing is that the simpler the program is to use, the more likely
you are to use it.
The more complex it is, the less likely you are to use it.
I really wish some software fundi would bring out a revised version
of RDF, that would work with Windows, Mac, Linux or whatever, and,
preferably, be capable of importing data from the present version.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net>
kyounge1956
On Apr 19, 8:00=A0pm, Steve Hayes <hayes...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> kyounge1956 <karenyou...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > I have Clooz, but find it rather complex to use, and it seems to
> > > generate several "Alternate Ids" nested several levels deep, so it
> > > would be useful to be in touch with experienced users.
>
> > Since my first post on this thread I've discovered that Clooz is an
> > "orphan" program that is no longer being supported by the author.
> > alternatives are Bygones, a freeware program which is also an
> > orphan, something open source like gramps: either of these latter
> > investigated yet whether I can use the relevant features of gramps
> > without moving the whole family tree over to that program, which
> > wouldn't be a workable solution for me as I'm coordinating with
> > other family members who use FTM.
>
> I've looked at Bygones, and found it far more complicated than
> Clooz, and even Clooz is too complicated.
>
> > I also noticed one of your posts from last summer, but it no longer
> > called "Keeping track of paper files". =A0I've read the linked blog
> > article, and the straight numerical system seems like it would work
> > well with my unorganized collection of notes because it doesn't
> > RDF program seems to have gone out of print. =A0Do you know if there
> > is anything similar available today, especially something that would
> > run on a Mac?
>
> No -- one of the reasons I looked at Clooz is that I thought it
> might be a possible replacement. But the problem is that Clooz is
> too complex and time-consuming.
>
> And, no matter what anyone says, I don't think that any lineage
> linked program, like FTM, PAF, Legacy, TMG and all the brest can do
> what these programs are intended to do.
>
> What RDF does is allow you to create a lost of all sources, and then
> a list of all people mentioned in those sources, whether those
> people are related to you or not (because you might find out later
> that they are related).
>
> It also, like the older versions of PAF, has a "focus" feature,
> which means that you can progressively narrow your searches --
> checking a name, for example, then searching the sub-set for a
> place, and narrowing it further to a date range. It may be possible
> to do this with other programs, but it is quite a complex thing and
> I've not managed to get it right.
>
> The thing is that the simpler the program is to use, the more likely
> you are to use it.
>
> The more complex it is, the less likely you are to use it.
>
> I really wish some software fundi would bring out a revised version
> of RDF, that would work with Windows, Mac, Linux or whatever, and,
> preferably, be capable of importing data from the present version.
>
The more I think about it, the more I think I can get started on
this task with just a spreadsheet. For now, I just need a searchable/
sortable list or index of what I already have, it doesn't need
sophisticated linking and analysis tools.
I think it might be enough if I number every page of notes I have,
and then use one line in a spreadsheet for each person that's on
that sheet of notes, with columns for some basic facts like name,
birth, marriage, death, census and "other". If a person's date of
birth is on the page, put it in that column if there is no info
leave the column blank. Once I have every name in the spreadsheet,
and every page of notes put into a binder in numerical order, I'll
be able to sort the spreadsheet to find any person I want, then look
and see what evidence I have for their birth, death or whatever, and
use the best evidence out of the research I've done already as my
source for that person's birth, death, etc. If I just have an
extract or transcript in my old notes, I can probably print a copy
of the actual record from Ancestry, which I can use at our public
library, or the National Archives of which there is a branch here.
Give the copy a number, and add it to the binder, or save a scan to
my hard disk. If none of what I have already is any good for
documenting a particular event or person, then I'll know what I
still need to look for.
Such a spreadsheet would certainly be a huge improvement on the
current situation! And the nice thing about a spreadsheet is it can
be imported into a database later on if a more powerful tool is
required.
Karen
kyounge1956 <karen...@earthlink.net>
Cheryl Freeman
Karen,
About a decade ago when I was using a different (and less
feature-rich) genealogy program than I use now, I used a spreadsheet
to try to identify a couple hundred John Turners in two states over
a fifty year period. I had columns for name, BMD dates, parents'
names and spouse's name as I found them. Later, I added the relevant
ones to my database. As you are describing what you are doing, it
sounds like the spreadsheet will meet your needs. FWIW, I tried
Clooz after I changed primary genealogy programs and decided that
there was too much duplication between my main genealogy application
and Clooz to make using Clooz worthwhile.
Cheryl Freeman
"Cheryl Freeman" <che...@genattic.com>
Edward Feustel
Karen,
It may be a matter of preference.
I much prefer the person -names- places - tag - source/citation -
repository - reference model of TMG. If there are one or more birth
references and I view them as important, I can use invented tags for
each. If I don't then for each of the separate sources of
information, with the citation, I can include the additional
information. The reference for a source can be used like Clooz
document identifier, so that one can find it in binders or file
cabinet. Better, a scan of the document/picture, etc. can be
attached to the Source. The research log can document research
relevant to a person.
A citation referencing the source can be attached to each person
mentioned in the source. One can filter to present a list of all
citations for a source that is named. This list identifies all
events and persons that the source is referenced in. Alternatively,
one can find the source by going to a person and looking for the
source.
I would prefer to enter something once per person and keeping
everything related to a person in searchable form.
Regards,
Ed
Edward Feustel <efeu...@hughes.net>
kyounge1956
>
> Karen,
>
> It may be a matter of preference.
>
> I much prefer the person -names- places - tag - source/citation -
> repository - reference model of TMG. If there are one or more birth
> references and I view them as important, I can use invented tags for
> each. If I don't then for each of the separate sources of
> information, with the citation, I can include the additional
> information. The reference for a source can be used like Clooz
> document identifier, so that one can find it in binders or file
> cabinet. Better, a scan of the document/picture, etc. can be
> attached to the Source. The research log can document research
> relevant to a person.
>
> A citation referencing the source can be attached to each person
> mentioned in the source. One can filter to present a list of all
> citations for a source that is named. This list identifies all
> events and persons that the source is referenced in. Alternatively,
> one can find the source by going to a person and looking for the
> source.
>
> I would prefer to enter something once per person and keeping
> everything related to a person in searchable form.
>
The spreadsheet would just be a tool to get a better idea of what
I've done already, and separate the wheat from the chaff so that the
former can be added to the tree with full information about the
source, repository and so on. I expect that there is a good deal of
duplication, and probably a lot that doesn't have complete source
info. I only hope I wrote down enough to enable me to find
whatever-it-is again and document it correctly this time.
Karen
kyounge1956 <karen...@earthlink.net>
Steve Hayes
> The spreadsheet would just be a tool to get a better idea of what
> I've done already, and separate the wheat from the chaff so that the
> former can be added to the tree with full information about the
> source, repository and so on. I expect that there is a good deal of
> duplication, and probably a lot that doesn't have complete source
> info. I only hope I wrote down enough to enable me to find
> whatever-it-is again and document it correctly this time.
>
Quite. You don't need an eleaborate source description -- just
enough to identify the document in your hard copy files, which is
easiest done with a number and a brief description. The simpler the
system, the more likely you are to use it.
DOC 1234 - Letter from great-aunt Eliza Dolittle to me dated 23 Jun
1987
And you have the letter on file to refer to at that document number.